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For days, only sources within the Hollywood moguls camp, but not the Writers Guild of America, have discussed what really went on during 11th hour negotiations with the Alliance of Motion Picture & Television Producers at the Sofitel Hotel Sunday. And the movie studios and TV networks were especially savvy in getting their story out first and foremost about how the writers were to blame for the bargaining talks breakdown. And they’re still telling that story. (Just read the producers-slanted coverage by Variety and The Hollywood Reporter and even the major newspapers which all depend on studio and network advertising, while I stay smack in the middle.) But now the WGA leadership is breaking their silence.
Top guild sources tell me they were “deliberately duped” by the moguls in a backchannel deal to bring the guild back to the bargaining table Sunday. They say the lure was a promise by two Big Media CEOs -- Peter Chernin and Les Moonves -- that, if the writers gave up their DVD residual demands, then the producers would respond by improving the formula on the central sticking issue of Internet downloads for movies and television. My producer sources confirmed to me such a deal was indeed made. In other words, it could have been possible that a settlement might be only days or a week away, with enough progress to induce the writers side to suspend the Monday start of the strike.
The writers say they kept up their end by dropping their DVD demands – a huge concession which later puzzled the WGA membership because it seemed to come out of nowhere and had to be explained by WGA president Patric Verrone without revealing the whole backstory. Why didn’t he? Because the WGA says it was abiding by the “mutual pledge of confidentiality” with AMPTP that, for the first time in all the negotiations, applied to Sunday’s session. Today, sources there decided to spill to me because the writers’ side of the 11th hour talks story has gone untold. The WGA accuses the producers of not delivering on the all-important electronic sell-through issue all day Sunday. And the producers confirm to me that, no, their negotiators did not offer anything on "EST". So, according to guild sources, that’s the real reason the 12:01 AM strike wasn’t averted, and their dropped DVDs demands put back on the table.
As a spitting mad WGA leader put it to me today: “All I can say is, if someone calls me and says, “You do X, and I do Y” and that someone doesn’t do it, then I’ve been lied to and I’ve been played. It’s a complete betrayal. I just don’t know what the studios’ game is.”
So why is this news important? Because now both sides in this writers vs producers fight are further apart than they have ever been, and that’s saying a lot. Both sides believe they have fresh and ample reasons not to go back into negotiations anytime soon. And by soon a worst case scenario of months and months and months. Both sides believe that, after Sunday’s betrayals, they can’t trust the other side enough to even talk about scheduling new AMPTP/WGA negotiations much less try backchannelling. Ironically, as I was being told the WGA’s complaints today, moguls were being briefed on what went down Sunday inside the negotiating room. But are they being told the whole story? About the backchannel deal? Not that I can tell. About the promise that’d been made? Not that I can tell. About not keeping it? Not that I can tell. Instead, I received a warning from inside that camp today not to report the WGA accusations, or name the two moguls, or repeat what went on inside the talks Sunday. But, to stay smack in the middle, I can't do that -- just as I can't favor the other side when reporting about this strike and its issues.
Let me start at the beginning of last weekend: Yes, a Barry Meyer-John Wells-John Bowman backchannelling avenue was being explored. And any and all other backchannelling avenues were being cultivated as well. As I’ve reported previously, among the moguls Chernin, the No. 2 at News Corp/Fox, is the biggest hawk, and Moonves, the CBS CEO, one of the biggest moderates. The two got in touch with WGA negotiating leaders and made this pledge: that, if the writers got back to the bargaining table over the weekend and once there gave up their DVD residual demands, then the producers would respond by improving the formula on the central sticking issue of Internet downloads for movies and television. It was quite a surprise to the writers side because it was such a big departure since, as recently as last week, AMPTP had been telling the WGA that it wouldn't move off the DVD formula on digital downloads.
As the Sunday negotiation was being scheduled for the Sofitel, the producers announced to the media Friday night that both sides had been “ordered” back to the table by the federal mediator. “The companies used the federal mediator to give them cover so they didn’t look like they’d caved and made the first call,” a WGA leader told me.
“We arrived at the meeting at 10 AM and it started a few minutes later with some discussions about procedure. We made it very clear we were ready to negotiate without stopping, as long as 2 to 3 days if necessary. But we said that, without a deal by midnight, or unless we were really really close, we were not going to suspend the strike. We said that, as things stood, the strike was going ahead at 9:01 PM in the East. And they said they understood. And we got going. And, as a gesture of good faith, we took the DVDs issue off the table. And they said they would get together and talk and get back to us with a response. In the meantime, we all said we’d work on one of the other proposals.”
That other proposal was the funding of the Showrunner Training Program, which is exactly what it says. The WGA side claims it waited, and waited, for the producers to keep the “DVDs-for-ESTs” promise and get back with a response. They claim the AMPTP negotiators kept "stalling and returning again and again to the bullshit side issue of Showrunner Training Programs for hours." [The producers told me it “only took 15 minutes and was handled.”]
Both sides agree that two more producers proposals were discussed: a new economic model for streaming TV shows online, and a new jurisdictional model for made-for- New Media content. But the WGA described them as “fuzzy unfocused proposals”. (A WGA leader told me, “they’d say, ‘we have to figure out the numbers later’. But it’s all in the numbers.” The producers I talked to agreed their proposals needed more “fleshing out”.
Around early evening the two sides left the talks and went out to dinner instead of ordering in.
Finally, a little before 9 PM Pacific time just before the strike was to start at 12:01 AM Eastern time, “the producers came back to us with an answer to our DVD. It was all very calculated,” a WGA leader told me. “They said, ‘We are not going to make any concessions on the Internet. We stand by our former position that you will get the DVD formula on digital downloads. And we would like to ask if you guys would suspend the strike starting at midnight in the East. Are the pickets starting?’ [The producers confirmed to me they didn’t move off their electronic sell-through position to answer the WGA’s taking DVDs off the tables Sunday. "There wasn't enough time!" one of their insiders claimed to me.]
“We told them what we’d said right at the beginning of the day’s discussion -- that we had to see progress for the strike not to start. They said, ‘Well, that’s it, we’re walking out. Goodbye and good luck.’ Our guys shouldn’t have been shocked but they were shocked. They weren’t ready for the game that was being played. We had made every effort, thinking that if the other side sees you’re serious... and we were shaken that the promise to us had been broken.
"But they’d obviously planned. They knew we were completely unprepared and in the haze of believing our mutual pledge of confidentiality. Their story was that they saw on the Internet that the strike had started – but they just happened to have a news release ready. By the time we realized what was going on, we’d missed the news cycle. They clearly orchestrated this, and we got caught with our pants down."
[I can confirm that the WGA's statement came out hours after AMPTP's immediate one and noted "the AMPTP proposed that today's meeting be 'off the record,' meaning no press statements, but they have reneged on that."]
Again, the producers’ side has been told by me and other media. But, again, this is the first time the WGA’s side of the story is being told. Each believes that their version of events is truthful. Which is why this is akin to a crowd observing a crime and later few can agree on the facts of what really happened.
I’m dismayed and discouraged by all of it.
so… what’s the Producer’s motivation for not holding up their end? To make the WGA look stupid?
I don’t understand the studio’s grounds for “feeling betrayed.” The writers didn’t do anything they didn’t give ample warning about. They said they’d strike days before.
Clearly this strike was a desired consequence on the part of the AMPTP.
Here’s hoping they desire now to end it rather than run thousands of working people into the ground.
It will be interesting to see how these Corporate Bullies explain to their respective Corporate Boards and shareholders how their disingenous “bully” tactics cratered their stocks and revenues for the coming quarters.
Now the word is out and more and more TV Showrunners will shut down production as a result of their risky gamesmanship. Explain that.
I’ll keep refreshing until my hands fall off or Nikki posts something new. Why? Because without her, the only thing we’d have is the stuff in the trades. And that stuff should be taken very very lightly.
Nikki, thank you.
Thanks for giving us false hope with your previous post. I’m glad I kept refreshing to hear the worst possible news ever.
WOW.
This town is fcuked.
btw, you deserve all the ad clicks you get!
Thanks for update – not exactly drudge material but thanks. btw, guys complaining about the advisory not being posted fast enough — hello – she’s a writer – she needs to compose – and – who can blame her for a little advance – remember nothing new had been post all day except for anecdotes etc. my prediction: this strike will mark an even bigger advance of the digital revolution’s dominantion arrival.
Surprise!
What have I been saying all along. This strike will end when the powers that be say it is going to end. Much like the Iraq War will end when the people really in power (Oil Companies, Halliburton, Dick Cheney), say it is going to end. This is no different.
The people pulling the purse strings want to lower their overhead significantly, and this is the best way to do it.
I applaud Moonves and Chernin for trying, and sounds like they were using Wells as a conduit. But if those two were in on it, there is some major collusion going on, which I believe is against the labor laws of the State of California.
You see, after 6-8 weeks the AMPTP will want to go back to the table in one of the most transparent gestures in the history of barganing and we will be right back where we were on November 4.
DVD resids off of the table, and the Internet finally addressed. The question is in this state of lies and deceit, will the WGA be placated by that…my guess is no, and we are in the muck for a long period of time.
There is a great play by John Galsworthy called STRIKE, that really shows the cause and effects of a labor stoppage, and how everyone loses. I believe in this case everyone is going to lose.
Writers are now learning what agents and negotiators on the studio/network side do everyday. You don’t have to trust the person you are negotiating with, just get the best possible deal you can for your clients. The idealism on both sides needs to stop, and reality needs to come into play here.
REALITY: The feature studios don’t need writers for a long while. The TV Networks need writers now or else there is no TV season after February, unless you count shows from BBC, TV9 in Australia, or some sort of French game show as entertaining television.
Hell, I’m an agent at a mid-sized agency, and I think I can get this thing done in 4-5 hours. It ain’t brain surgery.
When you next speak to your “mogul” sources, ask them the following three questions…
1) Did the WGA pull the DVD demand off the table (the answer is clearly YES).
2) When they pulled the DVD demand off the table, what did you offer in return (the answer, from all sources, seems to be nothing).
3) What did you offer over the course of those Sunday negotiations that would have prompted the WGA to wake their sleeping writers up in New York and tell them (at 12:31AM) to… um… start writing immediately.
The “moguls” look more like “children”, greedy and a tad bit pathetic.
I still don’t understand why an outside mediator can’t force the two sides to meet – especially since this impacts thousands of people and an entire city is going to be impacted by a prolonged strike.
Huh. That sucks. I was hoping for a speedy resolution to the strike too. *sigh*
Speaking as someone who lived thru the first strike, I can’t tell you how valuable it is to have an objective source of information. And given the bilge the LA Times and the Trades have been pouring into the middle of this mess? Your work is even more important. Thanks.
it’s gonna be a long, cold winter…
You are amazing. Thank you for all your tremendous hard work during this extremely difficult time.
Wait, what? WHY ARE THE producers upset at US? If this is true, we’re the only ones without reason to come back to the table. Shame on you Les et. all. Shame, friggin’ shame. Nikki, thank you for reporting this. They’re disgusting. Their agenda is indefensible, and now so are their actions.
Chernin & Moonves: Way to let your greed and duplicity fuck up this entire industry. Well played, douche bags. (How do you sleep at night?)
If this is true then it sounds like the Boards of Directors had better get on the horn to their CEOs and Presidents and tell them to do whatever it takes to restore trust. Six months from now there will be no Studio System as we know it. Replacement shows are already springing up online.
I KNEW ALL THIS BUT IT IS ALWAYS HELPFUL TO BE ABLE TO GO TO THIS SITE AND READ UP ON THE LATEST – there (sorry – caps thingy) but I dont agree that the sides will stay away from the bargaining table for “months and months and months.” This to me makes no sense – I understand that it doesn’t help us to get a crappy deal, but we can’t get even a fair deal without talking the issues through. The WGA has every right to be upset over what went down Sunday night but it doesn’t help anyone (especially the “middle class” writers) to stay away from even talking just to show how tough we are. It’s too bad someone else can’t negotiate for the producers – instead of Counter – say… Pol Pot.
I am rock solid ready to fight to those lying m*therf*ckers like they stole something for me. And when my money runs out I will work at f*cking 7/11 and picket those motherless f*cks till I either stop breathing or die of too much frozen burrito consumption.
Another insightful post. All of this stuff has been a good read for us outsiders.
both sides believe they have ample reasons not to go back into negotiations? from what you say, it sounds like the writers are the only ones who have a good reason not to negotiate.
when is everywhere going to realize that there is more at stake here than just a cut of the internet, and that more was lost in ‘88 than just home video residuals?
the studios are treating the writers like this because twenty years ago we gave them a reason to think they can. this strike is about taking back our respect and showing them that when we really want something we are not afraid to fight tooth and nail to get it. and i’ll be out there on the picket lines every single day until we do.
Thank God for Nikki.
Who gives a shit if they like each other, or even trust each other? Why should they? They have fundamentally opposed viewpoints. That doesn’t mean they should stop talking while the town shuts down for months. People in a lawsuit don’t like or trust each other either, but they have to keep talking to bring a conclusion. The Producers have an obligation to their employees and shareholders, and the Guild has an obligation to its members. If they don’t like the deal, then don’t sign on the dotted line. But saying they don’t want to meet because they are upset with each other is ridiculous.
With both sides pouting and declaring betrayal like a plot turn in your daytime soap opera of choice, I don’t see the strike ending anytime soon. It’s clear that both sides hate each others guts so much that they’re completely incapable of negotiating a thing so what needs to be done is new leadership on both sides to be brought in to hash this out. This is the problem with having people in positions for too long. Things become personal because past slights come into play. We need fresh yet knowledgable people to enter the room and sort this out.
I hope this gets resolved quickly. Picketing is a lot more exhausting than I thought. And I doubt I can count on Eva Longoria to buy me pizza every day.
Nikki, you write, “Both sides believe that, after Sunday’s betrayals, they can’t trust the other side enough to even talk about scheduling new AMPTP/WGA negotiations…”
How was the AMPTP betrayed? They pulled a bait-and-switch on the writers, whereas the writers kept their word (and got punished for negotiating in good faith). I know you’re trying to remain objective and “smack in the middle,” but that doesn’t mean that both sides were equally betrayed on Sunday.
Nikki, you are amazing. Please keep up the great work.
Now that the Counter is out of the bag I am now predicting/hoping as a face-saving measure Nick Counter will be fired or replaced. The WGA simply doesn’t trust him after the Sunday fiasco.
And the negative PR associated with their tactics is nothing short of disheartening and embarrassing…
Public opinion is now with the WGA, yes, their PR spin backfired, in a big way because people like fairness and these guys were not only unfair but dishonest.
I hear Chernin and Moonves realy did want to hold up their end, but others didn’t (coughIgercough). I heard much of Sunday was spent by the studios side in their caucus room fighting and yelling at each other.
This business is just not fun anymore. Downsizing, lay-offs, reality shows, super-bully moguls…
Geez, give the writer’s what they deserve. Suck it up…
Amen, slk writer. I feel the same way. I’ll walk the line until I need to go get a real job. I did it before, I’ll do it again. But I will never cave to these fucking scumbags. EVER!
I’ve been very nice during my picketing. That will change tomorrow. I’m furious, and if employees of the companies have to be uncomfortable, then that is the fault of their masters. This has turned very ugly for me and I will act that way.
It seems that this has become personal. The name calling and press spin is out of control. I’ve seen it before in other unions. The bottom line is that business is business and it can’t be held as a personal attack.
If the parties are feeling “betrayed”, then this has escalated to a point of ego before business (big surprise, I mean this is Hollywood after all). That is a very dangerous place to be. There are a handful of power players on both sides that are now trying to make the other side pay.
I don’t know where the mediator is at this time, but unless both sides and remove the egos from the table (and that must a really BIG table) there will be a LOT of collateral damage. Countless thousands depend on this industry for their livelihood, but a handful of people who’s feelings have been hurt are going to shut them down.
I ask both sides to PLEASE just get back to business and TRY to work something out. Forget the games and see if there is ANY common ground. Until the ego’s go on hiatus, there will be nothing productive and lots of people will lose more than just their favorite shows.
The stocks of these companies did not drop and their bottom lines will not be impacted for awhile if at all. It’s pure economics. The studios and networks do not care about jobs lost, homes lost, etc. If they get half the ratings with a reality show but it costs half as much as a scripted show then that is fine for them. Know thy enemy.
The studios and the networks are middlemen between the artists and the audience. As businesses and markets grow and evolve middlemen are traditionally cut out.
The artists and audiences will remain and the artists who succeed will be the ones who are able to get their art/product to the audiences on their own through new distribution mechanisms. This is inevitable and just being a mass entertainment writer will not allow you to survive. Hollywood will remain in some form but YOU (Writers, myself included) have to diversify within the medium to ensure a steady income and stable life. Use those other 4 hours wisely.
Is it also possible that Moonves & Chernin were not in fact pulling a bait-and-switch, but that their message was either distorted by Nicholas Counter’s “crack” team of fascists OR simply not received. Meaning: what if Moonves & Chernin were willing to agree to a settlement, but that Counter’s team F-ed it up?
If that’s the case, it would seem that this situation requires a Lew Wasserman-type to bring everyone together to resolve it. Or am I missing something?
ALSO — where the F is our Governator through all of this? After all, doesn’t the state of CaliforNIA suffer if no one’s making money and therefore paying less in the way of taxes?
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This sounds like a Union breaking tactic. The producers knew taking DVD residuals off the table would piss off the rank and file. That’s why they offered it under confidentiality – then revealed to the public that the Union had “caved in” and taken residuals off the table. It’s all designed to break solidarity and get people angry at Union leadership.
I can totally see why negotiators have seething hatred for the producers now. Talk about being tricked and stabbed in the back. They absolutely cannot trust anything they say now. This will make negotiations a hell of a lot more difficult. I suspect somebody somewhere will have to be replaced for this to move forward.
They say we’ve played our hand by taking a DVD residuals increase off the table – but I’ll be real disappointed if they don’t put it back on for good. Look, the studios wanted a strike, they got one. So maybe it’s a force majeure scam or maybe it’s a combination of reasons. The fact is, they’ve lied and cheated and manipulated their way to this strike. But someday they’re going to want it to end. By that time, all the below-the-liners who are going to lose their jobs from the strike will have lost their jobs long ago, and it’s now very clear – hopefully to everyone – that this is the producers’ fault, not the writers’. I only hope that this revelation (thank you Nikki) will strengthen our resolve to keep writers’ demands on the table – until the studios have had enough.
I still don’t understand why Nick Counter, a man I wouldn’t know if he walked in my house and kicked my dog, something I think he might enjoy, has had such a major influence on my life the past 20 years.
I think Les’ contract was just re-upped for in excess of 10 mil with perks. I think he sleeps just fine at night…too bad.
Okay, so it’s bad. No other way to really spin it. Bad for writers, actors, directors and all affiliated businesses — but only for a short time. We are a business in transition and what we are transitioning from — Studio made, network delivered media is dying.
So transitions are hard. Pity the dinosaurs because they are what is going out. Storytellers always remain.
Now, writers, get smart, write for the web. WGA, work out some deal with SAG and DGA so we artists can unite and make top notch entertainment and stream it, collecting the profit and doing a fair distribution… LEAVING the big media congloms without their MEDIA!
We artists control that. We must embrace the transition and leave them behind. We can do it. We must do it. We shackled ourselves to them, our choice. Let’s unshackle.
If you think about it… we no longer really need them. We like their money. But their money comes from the same people who will pay us to stream the content without them. They are bankers. We are talent. And a new distribution paradigm sets us free.
Actually, this labor strife is looking a little less scary every minute… at least for me. I hope it scares the hell out of Moonves and the suits. Their days are numbered… and i’m gladly, gleefully, tearing the pages from their corporate christmas gift calendars towards the day they are the Enrons of their time!
This sucks
Again…if the federal mediator had the authority to bring them together Sunday, why can’t he do it now? Or do both parties have to agree to meet? I think they could come to an agreement easier of Les Moonves had his Kid Nation cast negotiate on the moguls behalf.
So the rumors about the two sides meeting on Thursday are false?
The AMPTP did this so they know how far the WGAw will cave. It’s classic negotiating. They know the guild will bend at least that far. Now they can clean house, dump some deals, hide crappy TV development choices behind the strike and cut some end of quarter costs through Xmas. Then, when all the cheapo reality stuff dies they’ll come back with the exact deal left on the table Sunday with an internet pay model that is awful, but not so awful that we can pass it.
The only thing that has a chance in hell of making this thing go quickly is the truly amazing response of the show runners (probably only made possible by the extreme duplicity and sheer unmitigated smug prickiness of Counter and co.) These guys and gals are playing with real skin in the game and every time you see a hyphenate who is not completing their shows you should by them one big-ass Krispie Creme. They are the only folks who can make this thing work and their solidarity has been really amazing. Guess I have to take back all the bad stuff I said when they passed on me last staffing season! Except you-know-who. He’s still a twit.
The AMPTP should SHELVE THEIR F**KING PRIDE and negotiate! They’re behaving like greedy, arrogant, spoiled children, for F**K’S SAKE!!!
Is the federal mediator still involved? For that matter, is anyone involved who has a level head and the thick skin needed for an actual negotiation?
The studios do not feel “betrayed.” That’s just the face they are putting on. They duped the writers, and made them reveal what they were willing to concede – DVDs. The start of the strike in the east was exactly what they expected and it was their plan all along to exit once the strike started, then grab the news cycle.
The producers are liars, and have been negotiating in bad faith from the start. Fox should send a thank you note to ABC, CBS, NBC, and the CW because those companies just gave Fox the spring TV season. They’ll be even less to compete with American Idol than there was before.
All this “keep refreshing” is no different than a talkshow host claiming “we’ve got a great show coming up after the break, folks, so stay with us.”
I utterly respect Nikki’s reporting and courage and efforts here — without a doubt.
Yet, her claim that she’s “smack down the middle” while reporting from bunker on which banner ads are posted . . . I don’t know. I realize this is how media works these days; but there’s something a little fishy about all this.
I for one am washing my hands. Fuck it. If what she’s reporting is the truth, what in God’s name will picketing ever accomplish? If I’m to take her reporting to heart, it sounds as though the studios are simply taking taking out the garbage, the guild playing to their every need.
The WGA should have sniffed the fecal matter in the CEO’s pockets days ago, called their bluff, and held off the damn strike “in good faith.”
What’s being gained by the strike? Meanwhile, people losing money while the Guild leaders “write” history here.
NO ONE FUCKING WINS during a strike or a war, people.
Actually, that’s not true, the shareholders of the studios will win.
Just like Vegas, baby.
We just along for the ride.
WGA: Want to fuck the studios? Suspend the strike. Don’t give them the force majeure.
I love you, Nikki!
I also agree with the posts complimenting this site – if for no other reason than where else is anyone trying to give updates – even the WGA site is rather thin when it comes to updates and current info – I really would like the WGA powers that be to address when we can expect them to try and discuss the issues again with the moguls.
Keep up the good fight, writers and their supporters. The fans are with you. Check out this site put up by fans(from Whedonesque, but it reaches out to other fandoms) http://fans4writers.org.
Rumor is the Supernatural fans dropped off fruit to the strikers, so it seems the moguls might want to rethink their internet ideas, though you’d think they’d have learned what screwing with fandom can do after all we’ve done(NUTS!) for our shows. People are even talking about boycotting I-Tunes once they heard writers weren’t getting paid for downloads.
Oh, here’s another site with about fans support(I hope, since I didn’t have permission, I’m not doing anything wrong by posting.) If so, I’m wicked sorry
Given the number of people within the industry that read your blog, I can’t figure out whether your reports are helpful or hurtful. Are you concerned that your reports are potentially fanning flames of outrage and anger that can only exacerbate the situation?
Today I…
Walked the picket line in front of Raleigh with the most of the gang from our show, met writers from other shows, asked Jesus to keep the soap operas in production by letting the soap actors improvise their lines, ate some Zankou, and got tickets to Iron Maiden through the on-line pre-sale. (In the pi, ‘kin brilliant!)
All in all… a pretty good day.
let’s see how the studio execs like it when these same media companies use the strike as a pretext for ‘reorganization’ and start slashing development jobs in days ahead. no writers, no scripts, no development, right? so why continue paying exec salaries? if i worked at paramount i’d be scared shitless. perfect catalyst for the long-awaited dreamworks takeover.
Okay, it’s time to break out our biggest weapon… the air horn. It’ll be hard to concentrate in the Disney building with that blaring every few minutes. Huh? Who’s with me. Sigh. I’m ready to hunker down for six or seven months, although I was hoping not to. Corporations, cool, huh?
I heard Nick Counter make a statement on NPR yesterday to the effect that top-tier writers stand to lose way more income in the event of a prolonged strike than they could ever gain as a result of favorable negotiations. In other words, “even if we give you an extra penny per DVD, the strike is a big waste of time and you should continue to bend over and stop complaining.” It was so telling and completely exposed what we’re dealing with here — someone who can’t fathom the idea that there are people in this world willing to take a position based on what is fair and right even if it hurts their bottom line. Sadly, this is clearly a breed of people that folks on his side can’t relate to.
I’m going to fight back the only way I can think of… by turning the arrow around on any yellow production sign I see hanging on a pole… Maybe by sending the crew the wrong direction for a few minutes it’ll slow stuff down.
Keep posting, Nikki!
Amen to these comments. We canNOT back down on this battle. It sucks to be out there picketing every day, but my god, it’s the only way we’re going to get any respect here.
The studios and networks are running scared. they won’t ever admit it, of course, but they’re suffocating without us. Let’s not forget that.
So now what do we do? The below the line people need to unite and be heard before we lose everything. Any thoughts?
Unfriggin’ believable.
Did the moguls and producers take a look at the cretinous, venal RIAA and music industry and decide they wanted to walk down the same suicidal path?
Piss off your content-creating artists with bullshit deals: check.
Piss off your consumers with sub-par product and a lack of technological foresight: check.
Refuse to cut costs at the “top” (aka their gravy trains) and not just what they incorrectly look at as “the bottom”: check.
At this point a long strike might be necessary just to put some fear of God into these guys.
Remember, remember the 5th Of November…
I’m a forty year old non-union television screenwriter with a mini-series and two TV movies coming out this year. I just broke into the business after working at it my whole life. Dream come true. Was working towards joining the union, now this. My pen is down as well.
The producers have no argument beyond greed as far as I can see. The writers guild negotiators should demand to meet with the producers side every single second of every single day. Both sides can not act like children. The writers union reps should act like mature professional adults, they should hold firm to the upper hand, force them to the table over and over and over again, regardless of the producers tactics. Demand sit downs. Demand face to face meetings. If the current negotiators aren’t up to the task, if they can’t keep their personalities in check like professionals then new people should be brought in ASAP to replace them. The writers are the ones who create the content. The writers are the storytellers. They are fundamental to the process.
Nikki, although your whiny rants about Eli Roth make me think you’re insane, thanks for keeping the real news flowing.
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“then the producers would respond by improving the formula on the central sticking issue of Internet downloads for movies and television”
is this the central sticking issue? the writers are already getting the (albeit crappy) formula for pay-downloads on the internet. that is ONE issue…but the real sticking issue, as far as i understand it, is not getting a SINGLE PENNY on monetized reuse of content (aka free streaming episodes with paid advertising)
am i getting this wrong…or is a blogger that EVERYONE in this town seems to be reading now for updates getting it wrong?
1. Provide a service people are willing to pay for.
2. Get paid
3. If not paid enough, go back to step 1.
This is awesome if you think about it. People will give up on tv and movies and be forced to hang out with their children and get out in the world. The obesity epidemic will stall, the econcomy will surge, children will stop becoming hoodlums with drugs and getting knocked up. This is the single greatest thing to happen to America, ever.
sounds like a bunch of tweens on their period
I have a quick question. I’m a college student… Can anyone who is not a writer or in the industry walk the picket lines?
As one who’s been around these players a long time, I always thought this strike would be over the moment that Moonves and Chernin and Meyer and all the rest of the new “moguls” who came up through the Hollywood ranks woke up and realized what side of the business they were really on. Realized that this town that makes this “content” that their corporate bosses so greatly desire doesn’t run like other places. From the craft service guy who really wants to write, to the A.D. who wants to call the shots one day, to the studio exec who really has her finger on the pulse of what’s next — we’re all emotionally invested in what we make. And we’ve all taken a huge gamble to be doing what we’re doing. (Spend a holiday dinner with a writer’s family and you’ll know what I mean.) That means that we are partners in this acheivement. We claim ownership rights because we’re the ones who made the damn thing. From scratch. Without any help from corporate. They’ve gambled their money, we’ve gambled our lives. Most of our salaries are enough to get by — as long as the next job comes along quickly. They think they can buy and sell us, break our unions — but if they do, they’ll be killing the golden goose. If there’s no reward from success in a business that is all blood, sweat and tears, what self-respecting creative person will stick around? We work like dogs on our shows. Because we love our shows. Not because anyone make us. And we should benefit when they succeed. Only a handful of people get rich in Hollywood, and for the last 20 years it’s been the people in the corporate towers. Average writer’s salary 200K? A friend of mine said his average would be 15 mil a movie if he and Tom Cruise were alone in a room. Let’s get real. Let’s hold out for the right deal. And let’s hope Les and Peter and Barry and all the others who know what show business means can make it happen by talking some sense into their corporate bosses. Or else the “divisions” they run will be gone for good. Along with the rest of us.
oh well. Netflix has a lot of DVD’s I have not yet seen. I’m very glad I don’t work in this industry…it’s about as honorable as the garment trade.
What a bunch of overgrown babies. I hope they enjoy bathing in doubloons while everything I’ve ever worked for is slowly taken away from me.
This update confirms what I’ve observed too much in my career: PRODUCERS LIE. I can’t stand it. Never have been able to. I will be on the picket line for as long as it takes. Nudge me with your fender Studio Asshole and don’t surprised if ten writers haul you out of your car.
Slk writer, YES! That is the attitude we need to have. Enough of this “hard cold winter” and “omg, we’re all f’ed” crap. We need to stand strong; the producers are just waiting for us to wuss out. I’ll work any lame job out there if it allows me to hold out for a good contract. We all should.
Individuals should negotiate on their own. If you need a collective, then maybe you aren’t all that special.
BOW TO THE WgaEST 5 times a day. Both sides suck. The dif is that Chernin and Moonves SWALLOW!
This is so depressing. I’m just a crew guy trying to raise a family. The level of arrogant power is simply heart crushing. I don’t know what to do. Finish the last few days on this TV show that was supposed to feed my family until May. I don’t know how anybody can possibly survive, much less triumph, with this kind of corporate hubris. I just don’t see any light anywhere. And all afternoon, I kept hitting the refresh button hoping and hoping that wiser, cooler, and human heads were working diligently to solve this. My family is doomed.
When all is said and (in this case) not done – it’s time for the AMPTP to let go/fire or in reality venacular – “vote off” … Nick Counter!
I don’t think Moonves and Chernin would do the bait and switch. Makes no sense. More likely they thought they could sell something to the other members of the AMPTP and found out they couldn’t. Or Counter screwed it up.
We need to fix this thing.
Recommended reading for both sides: Getting to Yes by Ury and Fisher
Thank you for offering unbiased news coverage regarding the important issues at hand. So how does it go again Studios = Greedy Corporate Moguls and Writers = Underpaid Creative Geniuses? I agree that it is sad that so many people will suffer from the greed of a few. It amazes me how a writer, such as Shawn Ryan, can be so heroic in his fight for fair pay from the greedy corporate empire while he is safely nuzzled under an $8.5 million overall with TCFTV. This whole situation is getting really ugly, really fast. We have writers booing execs and blocking the driveway when they are trying to enter the studio lot. Not exactly civil behavior. We are now in it and in it we will be. Tomorrow will be a sad day because we are shutting down a number of shows – shows that we fought hard to get the back nine picked up on, shows that my friends work on, shows that could have been successful given time but they will never return. As a studio it’s a constant battle – fighting with the network to keep a show on the air, fighting with the actors to show up and act, fighting with the writers to write. There is something in the air in Hollywood – absolutely everyone working in the industry has complete and utter disdain for it. There is a sad irony that occurs when people tell you how fabulously important you are and that is that you start to believe it. When you’re agent tells you that you couldn’t possibly work for $40,000 an episode because you’re a “creative genius” – you believe it? Viva the Writers Greed of America!
Thank you Nikki. You are a great asset during this time. I think the AMPTP do not understand that the internet has made it easier for us viewers to unite to support the writers we love, appreciate and admire. I know many fans will be doing anything we can to help support all of you.
A word from the post-production side of this (which I haven’t seen discussed by anyone – not those who work in it and not reporters either) …
I work at a company that does digital visual effects, mostly for episodic television. Today the CFO sent out an email saying that we had 1-2 months of work left as each respective series completed what they were going to complete (this varied among shows with some going dark right away and other continuing to shoot completed script/post-produce those in the can). After that, he said that “unless the strike is short-lived it may unfortunately impact staffing.”
I’ll say.
I have to admit that I get the writers’ point. The producers acting like the internet is an unknown quantity seem disingenuos, at best. But, if this goes on for a long time it will shut many businesses down and many will never recover.
After reading about all the acrimony between the two sides (and reading it first-hand here), I’m starting to think about my second career.
“how does he sleep at night?”
This current generation of media mogul sleeps just fine. You don’t get to that position by having a conscience. I’ve worked in network tv for 11 yrs and any sense of noblesse oblige or class or just plain compassion is a dead, ridiculed concept among senior management. A few thousand people losing their houses in foreclosure or dozens of restaurants shutting down or kids not being able to attend college will not bother them in the least. Hell, bread lines on every street corner wouldn’t bother them. You’re either a competitor or a schmuck, and they truly don’t understand the concept of someone just trying to put food on the table. In the 17 yrs I’ve worked in entertainment, Hollywood has gone from a fraternity system with its ridiculous little hazing rituals to something much darker and meaner and more cosa nostra. I think this is my last year … it’s just no fun anymore.
I agree with Vicki. The biz is no fun anymore. The corporate mentality in film has almost ruined the industry. I hope all the studio execs go back to managing Wal-Marts or whatever it was they did before killing the entertainment industry. Best of luck to the WGA.
Dave
It shouldn’t matter if they hate each other, they should be sitting at a table staring at each other every day until they figure it out. That is, if the producers care at all.
And to everyone thinking the boards of the companies are going to be mad, I doubt it. They want the shows to be as cheap to produce as possible.
It strikes me as odd that the Writers went on strike and yet they now want to blame the companies for “putting thousands of people out of work.” The writers should have continued working through the negotiations. They may not end up with more, but at least they, and the “thousands” of other innocent bystanders wouldn’t lose anything.
I guess we’ll all be watching BBC television and reality shows and dramas filmed in Vancouver or somewhere.
On the whole force majuere angle, I dunno…big writer deals are few and far between these days. The studios have run a pretty tight ship in that sense since the end of the 90s. I would think if you do the math on the expenses saved versus ad revenue lost (and intangible promotion for movies lost)… hard to believe it’s actually worth the strike.
If someone has facts to dispute this or back it up, I’d love to hear them because it’s on everybody’s mind.
My thought is that it could be dawning on the “moguls” that Counter is kind of fucking this up for them, and sooner or later they’ll kick him to the curb.
Something to chew on… Here are just a few salaries of the people who are unwilling to give writers their fair share… Bob Iger: $42.4 Million in ‘06. Chernin: $42.5 million in ‘06 and Moonves: $28 million in ‘06. Yes, this is with stock options and bonuses, but these are the people who think we are asking for too much.
This entire fiasco could be SO fuckin’ easily resolved if both sides realized that double-naught spy type secrecy could only serve to shield the smarmy from the light of day. The lives of too many people are involved to allow those clowns to dick around with no apparent common sense, no sense of urgency, and (clearly) no basic skills of negotiation. The reality of the matter isn’t tricky. Each side has goals. Each side must give to get. I’d do this one gratis – just for sport. Fuck – I live in New Orleans. Around here negotiating life in general is more tricky than this shit. But nobody asked… so I’ll kick back and observe.
Unfortunately, I also believe the true goal of the AMPTP is to bust the union(s) and clean house. I wouldn’t put it past them to be so greedy that they are willing to alienate and insult every showrunner and staffmember in town, dump even their successful shows in favor of starting fresh with non-union writers and eventually non-union everybody.
The Writers have the support of many fans worldwide. Just let us know how we can help.
Someone else posted something I thought of, National Blackout Day on all TV. Mine was just on all Reality TV. However, a lot of fans don’t have the resources to reach far and wide, especially those with Nielsen boxes…
So writers we are here to help, you just gotta let us know how..
Oh just a side note: On my way to work yesterday I saw signs that said Underbelly, this way.. However, when I drove by it there wasn’t much set up yet. I don’t know if they ever shot yesterday or not.
Let’s not deluded ourselves about the web. all of the major streaming content sites are owned by major corporations, esp the media conglomorates. the ones that aren’t will be snapped up big deep pockets corps and we’re right back where we are now. different plantation same masters.
UNIONS WERE GOOD AROUND 1900, BUT TODAY – WHAT A WAIST. I CAN SEE YET ANOTHER INDUSTRY GOING TO INDIA OR CHINA OR FOR THAT FACT RUSSIA – YEAH! THEY HAVE SOME PRETTY SMART FOLKS THERE TOO. BOLLYWOOD WILL SOON OVERTAKE HOLLYWOOD JUST AS CHINA HAS TAKEN OVER EVERY OTHER INDUSTRY FROM THE U.S. WHAT WAS IT A WRITER PUT DOWN FOR THE MOVIE “WALL STREET” – GREED IS GOOD! WHEN WILL WE LEARN.
“People will give up on tv and movies and be forced to hang out with their children and get out in the world.”
And deprive an entire generation of “According to Jim?!” How dare you!
I’m not sure I see why it’s a “bait & switch” scenario, because that’s a tactic to lure to someone in to do a deal of some kind–but they offered nothing (no “switch”). That makes no sense, from anybody’s perspective, unless they simply wanted to enrage everyone at WGA, suspend negotiations and ensure a drawn-out strike. Hmmm…this utterly blows.
As a manager for writers and writer/directors, I can only say how sad the spirit of these negotiations has made me. I do the job I do out of respect and admiration for people who sit in front of a blank screen and create magic. I couldn’t do it. I would be drunk in a bathrobe, seeing nothing human for months on end. There would be NO TV, NO Feature Films, NONE of it, without writers. So what up with the sheer disrespect? There is enough money and credit to go around. This is disgraceful. I started in the film business in the early 80’s, and worked at Anblin during the last strike. It didn’t seem anywhere near this vile and vitriolic. Maybe I just don’t remember it well enough. But I do remember how bad it was financially for many writers, a great time to buy a house as the writers threw theirs on the market in fire sales. Now it’s happening again. But it feels like things have changed. The film business used to be fun. Now it’s corporate media moguls swallowing massive profits and causing this industry to shrink and become totally have and have not. I wonder what Irving Thalberg would think. It’s been years and years since my colleagues have liked their jobs, and most people in this business have early “exit strategies.” It’s because of the demeanor mentioned above. Greedy, impossible, fear-ridden and non-creative people turning this into a business of greed, rather than the creative endeavor it was meant to be. It breaks my heart. I hope for all of us this is over soon. It’s mindblowing that things have come to this.
I’m not connected to Hollywood except as a tv viewer. I am also usually opposed to unions. So, you know the situation is bad when I support a union’s side of things. The WGA’s demands are not that unreasonable. Yet, the producers refuse to even discuss DVDs or new media. Give the mediator something to work with here.
The producers need to get it through their heads that without writers writing, actors acting, directors directing, camerampeople cameraing, etc, they would have no product with which to distribute on new media.
Stay strong. Thanks for this site Nikki.
I agree with you Striker about the air horn. Not sure how many the guild has but I’d be willing to buy one myself if necessary. Thanks Nikki for giving us even more to yell about – all day long.
Hmm … is it just me, or does all of this sound like a reality show in the making?
I find it depressingly ironic that at the top your page there is a picture of Arnold on his cell phone. If there were ever a “role” of a true leader for him to play it would be to shame everyone involved into getting a deal made. I don’t get why he’s *not* gotten involved, since this strike threatens Hollywood film making so much. God I wish there was one iota of good news!
Heads up to everyone driving my Sony Studios. If you honk as you drive by on Culver Blvd you annoy every studio exec in the Thalberg Bldg. Let them hear it!
Thank You Nikki for some terrific reporting.
But at the end of the day, does it really matter who is right and who is wrong?
The only thing that matters is getting this strike behind us and putting people back to work.
I wish both sides would look at what is possible, not what has happened.
Just what is possible to agree upon so we can all get back to work.
Just what is possible.
no name calling.
no trust issues.
just, how to we solve this problem.
Two thoughts on reality… anecdotal but up close and personal.
Was in a meeting with a bunch of Fox reality execs although they didn’t know I was a guild writer. Nothing to do with me or my scripted writing, just a fluke. Anyway, they are scared shitless of the strike and have crapola coming down the pike. They admitted as much in the meeting. Believe me, they do not have surefire hits coming down the pipeline. They can’t even make the formats they bought from Europe work.
Second point, was at a small dinner party with a host of a major reality show that’s also considered the cream of the crop. Emmy winner. He’s on the writers’ side. That’s a given. And his daughter, 12 years old, doesn’t even watch his show and spent the whole night skyyping her friends. When I asked her what she watches on TV she said “I don’t watch TV.”
So, I’m just saying… It’s a Mad, mad mad mad mad mad world.