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For days, only sources within the Hollywood moguls camp, but not the Writers Guild of America, have discussed what really went on during 11th hour negotiations with the Alliance of Motion Picture & Television Producers at the Sofitel Hotel Sunday. And the movie studios and TV networks were especially savvy in getting their story out first and foremost about how the writers were to blame for the bargaining talks breakdown. And they’re still telling that story. (Just read the producers-slanted coverage by Variety and The Hollywood Reporter and even the major newspapers which all depend on studio and network advertising, while I stay smack in the middle.) But now the WGA leadership is breaking their silence.
Top guild sources tell me they were “deliberately duped” by the moguls in a backchannel deal to bring the guild back to the bargaining table Sunday. They say the lure was a promise by two Big Media CEOs — Peter Chernin and Les Moonves — that, if the writers gave up their DVD residual demands, then the producers would respond by improving the formula on the central sticking issue of Internet downloads for movies and television. My producer sources confirmed to me such a deal was indeed made. In other words, it could have been possible that a settlement might be only days or a week away, with enough progress to induce the writers side to suspend the Monday start of the strike.
The writers say they kept up their end by dropping their DVD demands – a huge concession which later puzzled the WGA membership because it seemed to come out of nowhere and had to be explained by WGA president Patric Verrone without revealing the whole backstory. Why didn’t he? Because the WGA says it was abiding by the “mutual pledge of confidentiality” with AMPTP that, for the first time in all the negotiations, applied to Sunday’s session. Today, sources there decided to spill to me because the writers’ side of the 11th hour talks story has gone untold. The WGA accuses the producers of not delivering on the all-important electronic sell-through issue all day Sunday. And the producers confirm to me that, no, their negotiators did not offer anything on ”EST”. So, according to guild sources, that’s the real reason the 12:01 AM strike wasn’t averted, and their dropped DVDs demands put back on the table.
As a spitting mad WGA leader put it to me today: “All I can say is, if someone calls me and says, “You do X, and I do Y” and that someone doesn’t do it, then I’ve been lied to and I’ve been played. It’s a complete betrayal. I just don’t know what the studios’ game is.”
So why is this news important? Because now both sides in this writers vs producers fight are further apart than they have ever been, and that’s saying a lot. Both sides believe they have fresh and ample reasons not to go back into negotiations anytime soon. And by soon a worst case scenario of months and months and months. Both sides believe that, after Sunday’s betrayals, they can’t trust the other side enough to even talk about scheduling new AMPTP/WGA negotiations much less try backchannelling. Ironically, as I was being told the WGA’s complaints today, moguls were being briefed on what went down Sunday inside the negotiating room. But are they being told the whole story? About the backchannel deal? Not that I can tell. About the promise that’d been made? Not that I can tell. About not keeping it? Not that I can tell. Instead, I received a warning from inside that camp today not to report the WGA accusations, or name the two moguls, or repeat what went on inside the talks Sunday. But, to stay smack in the middle, I can’t do that — just as I can’t favor the other side when reporting about this strike and its issues.
Let me start at the beginning of last weekend: Yes, a Barry Meyer-John Wells-John Bowman backchannelling avenue was being explored. And any and all other backchannelling avenues were being cultivated as well. As I’ve reported previously, among the moguls Chernin, the No. 2 at News Corp/Fox, is the biggest hawk, and Moonves, the CBS CEO, one of the biggest moderates. The two got in touch with WGA negotiating leaders and made this pledge: that, if the writers got back to the bargaining table over the weekend and once there gave up their DVD residual demands, then the producers would respond by improving the formula on the central sticking issue of Internet downloads for movies and television. It was quite a surprise to the writers side because it was such a big departure since, as recently as last week, AMPTP had been telling the WGA that it wouldn’t move off the DVD formula on digital downloads.
As the Sunday negotiation was being scheduled for the Sofitel, the producers announced to the media Friday night that both sides had been “ordered” back to the table by the federal mediator. “The companies used the federal mediator to give them cover so they didn’t look like they’d caved and made the first call,” a WGA leader told me.
“We arrived at the meeting at 10 AM and it started a few minutes later with some discussions about procedure. We made it very clear we were ready to negotiate without stopping, as long as 2 to 3 days if necessary. But we said that, without a deal by midnight, or unless we were really really close, we were not going to suspend the strike. We said that, as things stood, the strike was going ahead at 9:01 PM in the East. And they said they understood. And we got going. And, as a gesture of good faith, we took the DVDs issue off the table. And they said they would get together and talk and get back to us with a response. In the meantime, we all said we’d work on one of the other proposals.”
That other proposal was the funding of the Showrunner Training Program, which is exactly what it says. The WGA side claims it waited, and waited, for the producers to keep the “DVDs-for-ESTs” promise and get back with a response. They claim the AMPTP negotiators kept “stalling and returning again and again to the bullshit side issue of Showrunner Training Programs for hours.” [The producers told me it “only took 15 minutes and was handled.”]
Both sides agree that two more producers proposals were discussed: a new economic model for streaming TV shows online, and a new jurisdictional model for made-for- New Media content. But the WGA described them as “fuzzy unfocused proposals”. (A WGA leader told me, “they’d say, ‘we have to figure out the numbers later’. But it’s all in the numbers.” The producers I talked to agreed their proposals needed more “fleshing out”.
Around early evening the two sides left the talks and went out to dinner instead of ordering in.
Finally, a little before 9 PM Pacific time just before the strike was to start at 12:01 AM Eastern time, “the producers came back to us with an answer to our DVD. It was all very calculated,” a WGA leader told me. “They said, ‘We are not going to make any concessions on the Internet. We stand by our former position that you will get the DVD formula on digital downloads. And we would like to ask if you guys would suspend the strike starting at midnight in the East. Are the pickets starting?’ [The producers confirmed to me they didn’t move off their electronic sell-through position to answer the WGA’s taking DVDs off the tables Sunday. "There wasn't enough time!" one of their insiders claimed to me.]
“We told them what we’d said right at the beginning of the day’s discussion — that we had to see progress for the strike not to start. They said, ‘Well, that’s it, we’re walking out. Goodbye and good luck.’ Our guys shouldn’t have been shocked but they were shocked. They weren’t ready for the game that was being played. We had made every effort, thinking that if the other side sees you’re serious… and we were shaken that the promise to us had been broken.
“But they’d obviously planned. They knew we were completely unprepared and in the haze of believing our mutual pledge of confidentiality. Their story was that they saw on the Internet that the strike had started – but they just happened to have a news release ready. By the time we realized what was going on, we’d missed the news cycle. They clearly orchestrated this, and we got caught with our pants down.”
[I can confirm that the WGA's statement came out hours after AMPTP's immediate one and noted "the AMPTP proposed that today's meeting be 'off the record,' meaning no press statements, but they have reneged on that."]
Again, the producers’ side has been told by me and other media. But, again, this is the first time the WGA’s side of the story is being told. Each believes that their version of events is truthful. Which is why this is akin to a crowd observing a crime and later few can agree on the facts of what really happened.
I’m dismayed and discouraged by all of it.
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Nikki, you write, “Both sides believe that, after Sunday’s betrayals, they can’t trust the other side enough to even talk about scheduling new AMPTP/WGA negotiations…”
How was the AMPTP betrayed? They pulled a bait-and-switch on the writers, whereas the writers kept their word (and got punished for negotiating in good faith). I know you’re trying to remain objective and “smack in the middle,” but that doesn’t mean that both sides were equally betrayed on Sunday.
Nikki, you are amazing. Please keep up the great work.
Now that the Counter is out of the bag I am now predicting/hoping as a face-saving measure Nick Counter will be fired or replaced. The WGA simply doesn’t trust him after the Sunday fiasco.
And the negative PR associated with their tactics is nothing short of disheartening and embarrassing…
Public opinion is now with the WGA, yes, their PR spin backfired, in a big way because people like fairness and these guys were not only unfair but dishonest.
I hear Chernin and Moonves realy did want to hold up their end, but others didn’t (coughIgercough). I heard much of Sunday was spent by the studios side in their caucus room fighting and yelling at each other.
This business is just not fun anymore. Downsizing, lay-offs, reality shows, super-bully moguls…
Geez, give the writer’s what they deserve. Suck it up…
Amen, slk writer. I feel the same way. I’ll walk the line until I need to go get a real job. I did it before, I’ll do it again. But I will never cave to these fucking scumbags. EVER!
I’ve been very nice during my picketing. That will change tomorrow. I’m furious, and if employees of the companies have to be uncomfortable, then that is the fault of their masters. This has turned very ugly for me and I will act that way.
It seems that this has become personal. The name calling and press spin is out of control. I’ve seen it before in other unions. The bottom line is that business is business and it can’t be held as a personal attack.
If the parties are feeling “betrayed”, then this has escalated to a point of ego before business (big surprise, I mean this is Hollywood after all). That is a very dangerous place to be. There are a handful of power players on both sides that are now trying to make the other side pay.
I don’t know where the mediator is at this time, but unless both sides and remove the egos from the table (and that must a really BIG table) there will be a LOT of collateral damage. Countless thousands depend on this industry for their livelihood, but a handful of people who’s feelings have been hurt are going to shut them down.
I ask both sides to PLEASE just get back to business and TRY to work something out. Forget the games and see if there is ANY common ground. Until the ego’s go on hiatus, there will be nothing productive and lots of people will lose more than just their favorite shows.
The stocks of these companies did not drop and their bottom lines will not be impacted for awhile if at all. It’s pure economics. The studios and networks do not care about jobs lost, homes lost, etc. If they get half the ratings with a reality show but it costs half as much as a scripted show then that is fine for them. Know thy enemy.
The studios and the networks are middlemen between the artists and the audience. As businesses and markets grow and evolve middlemen are traditionally cut out.
The artists and audiences will remain and the artists who succeed will be the ones who are able to get their art/product to the audiences on their own through new distribution mechanisms. This is inevitable and just being a mass entertainment writer will not allow you to survive. Hollywood will remain in some form but YOU (Writers, myself included) have to diversify within the medium to ensure a steady income and stable life. Use those other 4 hours wisely.
Is it also possible that Moonves & Chernin were not in fact pulling a bait-and-switch, but that their message was either distorted by Nicholas Counter’s “crack” team of fascists OR simply not received. Meaning: what if Moonves & Chernin were willing to agree to a settlement, but that Counter’s team F-ed it up?
If that’s the case, it would seem that this situation requires a Lew Wasserman-type to bring everyone together to resolve it. Or am I missing something?
ALSO — where the F is our Governator through all of this? After all, doesn’t the state of CaliforNIA suffer if no one’s making money and therefore paying less in the way of taxes?
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This sounds like a Union breaking tactic. The producers knew taking DVD residuals off the table would piss off the rank and file. That’s why they offered it under confidentiality – then revealed to the public that the Union had “caved in” and taken residuals off the table. It’s all designed to break solidarity and get people angry at Union leadership.
I can totally see why negotiators have seething hatred for the producers now. Talk about being tricked and stabbed in the back. They absolutely cannot trust anything they say now. This will make negotiations a hell of a lot more difficult. I suspect somebody somewhere will have to be replaced for this to move forward.
They say we’ve played our hand by taking a DVD residuals increase off the table – but I’ll be real disappointed if they don’t put it back on for good. Look, the studios wanted a strike, they got one. So maybe it’s a force majeure scam or maybe it’s a combination of reasons. The fact is, they’ve lied and cheated and manipulated their way to this strike. But someday they’re going to want it to end. By that time, all the below-the-liners who are going to lose their jobs from the strike will have lost their jobs long ago, and it’s now very clear – hopefully to everyone – that this is the producers’ fault, not the writers’. I only hope that this revelation (thank you Nikki) will strengthen our resolve to keep writers’ demands on the table – until the studios have had enough.
I still don’t understand why Nick Counter, a man I wouldn’t know if he walked in my house and kicked my dog, something I think he might enjoy, has had such a major influence on my life the past 20 years.
I think Les’ contract was just re-upped for in excess of 10 mil with perks. I think he sleeps just fine at night…too bad.
Okay, so it’s bad. No other way to really spin it. Bad for writers, actors, directors and all affiliated businesses — but only for a short time. We are a business in transition and what we are transitioning from — Studio made, network delivered media is dying.
So transitions are hard. Pity the dinosaurs because they are what is going out. Storytellers always remain.
Now, writers, get smart, write for the web. WGA, work out some deal with SAG and DGA so we artists can unite and make top notch entertainment and stream it, collecting the profit and doing a fair distribution… LEAVING the big media congloms without their MEDIA!
We artists control that. We must embrace the transition and leave them behind. We can do it. We must do it. We shackled ourselves to them, our choice. Let’s unshackle.
If you think about it… we no longer really need them. We like their money. But their money comes from the same people who will pay us to stream the content without them. They are bankers. We are talent. And a new distribution paradigm sets us free.
Actually, this labor strife is looking a little less scary every minute… at least for me. I hope it scares the hell out of Moonves and the suits. Their days are numbered… and i’m gladly, gleefully, tearing the pages from their corporate christmas gift calendars towards the day they are the Enrons of their time!
This sucks
Again…if the federal mediator had the authority to bring them together Sunday, why can’t he do it now? Or do both parties have to agree to meet? I think they could come to an agreement easier of Les Moonves had his Kid Nation cast negotiate on the moguls behalf.
So the rumors about the two sides meeting on Thursday are false?
The AMPTP did this so they know how far the WGAw will cave. It’s classic negotiating. They know the guild will bend at least that far. Now they can clean house, dump some deals, hide crappy TV development choices behind the strike and cut some end of quarter costs through Xmas. Then, when all the cheapo reality stuff dies they’ll come back with the exact deal left on the table Sunday with an internet pay model that is awful, but not so awful that we can pass it.
The only thing that has a chance in hell of making this thing go quickly is the truly amazing response of the show runners (probably only made possible by the extreme duplicity and sheer unmitigated smug prickiness of Counter and co.) These guys and gals are playing with real skin in the game and every time you see a hyphenate who is not completing their shows you should by them one big-ass Krispie Creme. They are the only folks who can make this thing work and their solidarity has been really amazing. Guess I have to take back all the bad stuff I said when they passed on me last staffing season! Except you-know-who. He’s still a twit.
The AMPTP should SHELVE THEIR F**KING PRIDE and negotiate! They’re behaving like greedy, arrogant, spoiled children, for F**K’S SAKE!!!
Is the federal mediator still involved? For that matter, is anyone involved who has a level head and the thick skin needed for an actual negotiation?
The studios do not feel “betrayed.” That’s just the face they are putting on. They duped the writers, and made them reveal what they were willing to concede – DVDs. The start of the strike in the east was exactly what they expected and it was their plan all along to exit once the strike started, then grab the news cycle.
The producers are liars, and have been negotiating in bad faith from the start. Fox should send a thank you note to ABC, CBS, NBC, and the CW because those companies just gave Fox the spring TV season. They’ll be even less to compete with American Idol than there was before.
All this “keep refreshing” is no different than a talkshow host claiming “we’ve got a great show coming up after the break, folks, so stay with us.”
I utterly respect Nikki’s reporting and courage and efforts here — without a doubt.
Yet, her claim that she’s “smack down the middle” while reporting from bunker on which banner ads are posted . . . I don’t know. I realize this is how media works these days; but there’s something a little fishy about all this.
I for one am washing my hands. Fuck it. If what she’s reporting is the truth, what in God’s name will picketing ever accomplish? If I’m to take her reporting to heart, it sounds as though the studios are simply taking taking out the garbage, the guild playing to their every need.
The WGA should have sniffed the fecal matter in the CEO’s pockets days ago, called their bluff, and held off the damn strike “in good faith.”
What’s being gained by the strike? Meanwhile, people losing money while the Guild leaders “write” history here.
NO ONE FUCKING WINS during a strike or a war, people.
Actually, that’s not true, the shareholders of the studios will win.
Just like Vegas, baby.
We just along for the ride.
WGA: Want to fuck the studios? Suspend the strike. Don’t give them the force majeure.
I love you, Nikki!
I also agree with the posts complimenting this site – if for no other reason than where else is anyone trying to give updates – even the WGA site is rather thin when it comes to updates and current info – I really would like the WGA powers that be to address when we can expect them to try and discuss the issues again with the moguls.
Keep up the good fight, writers and their supporters. The fans are with you. Check out this site put up by fans(from Whedonesque, but it reaches out to other fandoms) http://fans4writers.org.
Rumor is the Supernatural fans dropped off fruit to the strikers, so it seems the moguls might want to rethink their internet ideas, though you’d think they’d have learned what screwing with fandom can do after all we’ve done(NUTS!) for our shows. People are even talking about boycotting I-Tunes once they heard writers weren’t getting paid for downloads.
Oh, here’s another site with about fans support(I hope, since I didn’t have permission, I’m not doing anything wrong by posting.) If so, I’m wicked sorry