Tuesday was the day that the writers and the producers were supposed to start considering “new business” during their resumed contract negotiations. But, instead, they just kept focused on old business. Day #2 was supposed to be ”when they really start advancing the ball forward” and “where the rubber can really meet the road,” according to its advance billing. Instead, it was the same old same old.
Again, negotiators for the AMPTP presented that “very comprehensive proposal which laid out to all the entire roadmap to the deal” and, again, addressed every single issue. And, again, negotiators for the WGA listened and, again, kept getting up to caucus.
But where was the new stuff?
The reps for the studios and networks keep telling me about at least two improvements in their comprehensive proposal presented Monday compared to what was on the table back on Sunday November 4th when the talks broke off and the strike began. “But they also feel that the writers weren’t paying attention and didn’t absorb the proposal back then. So, basically, they presented back what they proposed on November 4th,” an insider in that camp explains to me.
It took a couple of hours, I’m told, for the AMPTP to do this. “They went over the proposal point by point as though they were delivering a new proposal,” a different source explained to me. “But it was the exact same proposal, though they restated their positions in a friendlier manner.”
Yet I’ve been repeatedly told by people in a position to know that the networks and studios do have new stuff to present, and the writers still hope that will be done sooner rather than later. But it’s truly baffling to me exactly why the AMPTP is slowing down the process when, if anything, it should be speeded up especially with Christmas looming. On the other hand, this is a favorite negotiating tactic of AMPTP president Nick Counter: to repeatedly offer little new until the guilds are forced to negotiate against themselves by continually reducing their demands. (Which is one reason why the writers now are toying with a provocative new tactic of raising their demands at every bargaining session.)
My question is: have the Hollywood moguls authorized Counter to delay? (Which, if so, will give fuel to the fire that the studios and networks just agreed to these talks purely for their PR value and are instead adhering to their individual timetables to declare force majeure. If the moguls think they’re badly losing the PR war now, which they are, just wait until that happens.) Or has Counter talked them into this strategy because he thinks it’ll work now just as it has in the past?
But that was then, and this is now. I’m hearing phrases like “jaw-dropping”, “mind-boggling” and “you can gape at the chutzpah” to describe Tuesday’s session. But I also hear the writers are determined not to feel frustrated or angry. ”You’ve got to admire the kabuki of it,” a source told me. “You can look at this as some really sophisticated and interesting negotiating tactic, or as stonewalling. But it’s also paralysis. It’s one thing to go back but another to not move at all.”
Still, an insider is convinced that what happened at Tuesday’s session “is like two cars just sitting there getting ready for a game of chicken. Neither one wants to go first. Both sides will get past this. I don’t know when, but they will.”
I understand the writers will spend this AM caucusing to figure out their next move.
Look, I’m going to wait until I receive a report about Wednesday’s talks before I begin passing judgment on what’s happening, or not happening, here. But I must say that Day #2 certainly puts a damper on all those wishful-thinking rumors sweeping Hollywood and beyond – but not here at DHD – that the strike would be settled by December 8th.
- Today’s Talks Productive; “Reasonableness Ruled The Day”
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- Talks Restarted At Agent Bryan Lourd’s Home After Weeks Of Quiet Backchannel
- LET’S STRIKE A DEAL! Both Sides Agree To Go Back Into Talks
Editor-in-Chief Nikki Finke - tip her here.


You mean things are not moving forward in the negotiations? What a shock…not.
Dear Studios, Networks and “Producers,”
You’re looking really bad in everyone’s eyes. You miscalculated. Yes, the WGA jumped on the strike without giving you a few days to finally make what you claim is a better offer. Okay. We get it. Now’s the time to be good businesswomen & businessmen, recognize the reality of this growing, financial mess and make a deal in time for the holidays. Otherwise, your image will only get worse.
If they come back with some lame calculated “1st Phase” lowball offer like 1.25% on HV as part of the “process”, with the “second phase” lowball offer of 1.75% in place Not to be offered until March and a third, and a forth, all as part of a calculated plan to hope we cave on a weak deal, I say we walk.
We walk until we cost them three times more money than they would have lost if they bargained fairly in the first place.
We have to let these dicks know that we can play hardball, it’s the ONLY tactic they recognize and respect. We have to make it abundantly clear that we are no longer to be fucked with. Because in three years, we could be at this again and they should know, right now, there will be severe consequences for continuing to treat us this way.
It’s about fairness and respect. I still don’t see any.
Delays…delays…delays.
It’s almost as if they are waiting for their force majeure clauses to kick in after 6 weeks (2 more weeks)…oh wait!
Thanks for keeping us updated! Eventhough much hasn’t improved, it’s still good to know what is going on — thank you!
I think the stalling tactics have nothing to do with the current “negotiation” and everything to do with Force Majure. They are going to push the final deal a bit so they can dump more contracts. Once the contracts they want gone are officially released, then they will get the go ahead from their collective bosses to make the deal.
The difference between an optimist and a pessimist is that the optimist is wrong.
Love ya just the same, Nikki.
(And could you please get your web person to fix the yellow text in the name/email/website text fields? It’s just an RGB value in the CSS file. Thanks!)
Among other reasons, the studios are delaying because the force majeure clause on many of the deals they want to eliminate don’t kick in until mid December. They won’t get serious until after that.
I think the WGA should start marching in front of those stores again and remind people about what is important to “Big Media”
Also they need to show presence again, like they did with Alicia Keyes.
Act like there is no contract and the AMPTP is stalling.
The producers aren’t desperate enough yet- they know December/January are pretty much dead times anyway, and they have enough material stockpiled or reality shows planned to get thru the rest of the season (Big Brother 9 going 9 months, anyone? And Fox can just run American Idol 6 days a week, since COPS and AMW can run Saturdays).
You figure if they don’t get anything settled by Dec 15th, the rest of the year is shot anyway with holiday plans…and after that the producers might be willing to talk a little since the law of diminishing returns will take hold (the benefits of the force majeure clauses they invoke plus the savings they get by not filming shows will be less than the amount of lost advertising revenue and likely lower ratings they get). But by then, the 07-08 season is likely too far gone to be saved.
I really think it’s time to rattle the AMPTP’s cages. They ARE just dicking us around.
It’s time for another visit to Washington with the implied threat that pro WGA senators might start sub-committee hearings – and the implied threat of forcing the studios to reveal their profit/loss data.
This is clearly zooming toward force majure, which is really just union-busting.
Enough with their horseshit.
Oh, and the WGA should increase their demands by 5% per day.
Someone has to grow a pair here….
I too think we should get someone like Alicia Keyes again. Actually, Alicia Keyes herself again would be perfect (as I was out of town the first time.) Keep the gorgeous ladies coming!
QUESTION: On some level, all of these CEOs need to report to their shareholders. They cannot be so naive as to believe that they’ll get away without a new media deal…so they’ll have to justify why they messed around for a while before committing. Does ANYONE really believe that these “force majeure” deals are going to off-set the losses that they’ll face simply by dragging their heels another couple weeks???
I’m sure there is a method to the madness, but I wish someone would help me understand. Because all I see is that a 3 yr, $200mill new media deal proposed by the WGA, divided by the 6 conglomerates — really only costs each company $10-13mill/year. Maybe they can save that much in force majeuring contracts, but realistically, they still are going to lose money from all of the shut down shows, loss in ad revenue, etc.
CAN SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN THE PHILOSOPHY?
(And btw, I just don’t buy the argument that they’re trying to bust the WGA, b/c even if they dragged the writers out until June — fresh-legged SAG is going to give them a run for their money).
Yeah, how about some rallies and fun parties with dancing and music and free food. The people that are out of work with the holidays approaching really love that crap. Force majeure, welcome to the sharp end of the stick.
Actually, Max Bell, the difference between an optimist and a pessimist is that it’s a lot harder to support the pessimist. No hope for the hopeless, as it were. As anotherWGAmember says, someone needs to grow some balls. (But I don’t think going crazy with demands is they way to do it. Fastest way to lost that public support.) Come on, already, play hardball. Making the first move doesn’t have to make you weak, it can be used to show your strength. It’s not too late to save the jobs of assitants and it’s not too late to save this TV season. But the AMPTP has proven it’s a load of dicks, so to get them off their asses, we have to get off ours.
Your “insider” should be removed from the room. There is an agreement in place for a complete news blackout and your sources, if reliable, are in breach of that agreement. Is that anyway to conduct a good faith negotiation? This is a process and we would all be well advised to let it play out.
Tom
Force Majure.
they’re just stalling till they can clean house.
Maybe you are being used Nikki. People know you are so hot to scoop everyone and have the ear of the people in the industry that your blog is a tool. We all read and like your stuff…but you are not Page Six…are you? There are people really hanging onto every word and your threads are really sensationalistic. Be a gossip columnist who specializes in the industry or be a journalist…which are you?
“If they come back with some lame calculated “1st Phase” lowball offer like 1.25% on HV as part of the “process”, with the “second phase” lowball offer of 1.75% in place Not to be offered until March and a third, and a forth, all as part of a calculated plan to hope we cave on a weak deal, I say we walk.”
Delicious. If you think that 1.25 is “lowball,” we’re going to be out for a year.
1.25 would be a crushing victory. Let’s hope Patric hasn’t hopped everyone up so much that he recognizes it.
Where is Michael Moore in all this?
“Can I talk to Nick Counter? I just want to talk to him…”
LOL!! I called this two weeks ago!! I said they are going to work the Force Majeure but they have to make it appear as if they are trying to negotiate in order for that to stick in the face of law suits from writers. This was all VERY obvious to everyone but the naive writers who seem to think we’re living in a fairytale where corporations give a damn about you or your feelings (“it’s all about respect and fairness – bwaaaah!” LoL). You’re strategies suck. The fact that WGA leadership is scratching their heads in this negotiation trying to figure out what’s going on is proof of that.
I’m with the “grow a pair” guy. It’s frustrating and scary not knowing what’s going on in the neg meeting. I hope that we aren’t diluting our position so much that we end up with a Pyrrhic victory. The offer we *started* with was fair and reasonable and I’d hate to see our leadership move too far away from it.
Stand your ground.
Oh and what’s this grumbling I’m reading about people enjoying their time on the picket line? Is there something wrong with making the best of it and socializing? This isn’t a funeral — the strike is an act of strength and solidarity; things that are a long time coming for our guild — that’s something to celebrate.
Of course things aren’t going to just get tied up. It’s just like the comment from DW. The shareholders aren’t going to get all bent out of shape right away, because the expect an eventual resolution and they will regain the value of their stock. Just because viewers miss their favorite shows, doesn’t mean they won’t spend 8 months watching alternative programming. I think the people who keep saying the “Producers” need to back down to save their own interests really don’t understand this business and have never been in a room with a network or studio head. These are the same people that will spend MILLIONS of dollars on a 12 episode order and flush it after 2 airings if it doesn’t get the desired ratings. There is also a certain amount of satisfaction in watching the writers squirm. Remember, they have relatviely contentious relationships with many showrunners, whether it is about notes or demands on the budget or just dealing with prima donna attitudes about extravagant lunches and free wardrobe. Who out there that was not on a top 10 CBS show ever got a Chrisrtmas gift from Les Moonves that didn’t have the CBS logo on it? None, including the cast. He believes that writers are more than fairly compensated. he believes the same of actors. He only rewards success. He is a traditional capitalist. The writers do deserve a better deal, but they will definitely have to wait for it. And the Studios and Networks ARE saving money. They have all their numbers crunched. They know exactly when they will have to concede, if the writers can last that long. And remember, when the actors strike, they will still have a fiancial cushion from the work they are doing now, and June is a good time for the Producers to let things go on a little longer. The 2008 season may start late, but as soon as things are settled, a pilot can be turned around pretty quickly. They already have an idea of which pilots they are likely to greenlight based on scripts already in hand. And returning shows will be delayed, and everyone will have to work their asses off trying to catch up. Do the producers really care about that? I mean care enough to pay out? When the features start running dry, that is when they will have to consider settling. How many writers can survive until then?
Trust me when I tell you: FORCE MAJEURE, although beneficial, is not worth the potential long term side effects of this strike.
A handful of two million dollar writer/producer deals is pennies to these guys.
Don’t get me wrong, they’ll clean house if the opportunity arises. But they sure as hell ain’t going to delay these negotiations to do so. That would be plain stupidity.
It’s all about cost/reward. Two more weeks could tank, arguably, 200 million dollars. So is it worth 200 mil to these guys to chop an amount of money that probably is less than that.
It’s not like their pulling force majeure on production budgets.
Pennies people. Pennies.
I agree with LKB. There’s nothing wrong with making the best of it on the picket lines. After all, it’s the holiday season, isn’t it? Might as well have as good a time as possible.
Oh…and as far as the negotiations? I’m with everyone else — the WGA needs to start RAISING their demands with every day that the AMPTP drags this out and forces everyone in town out of work. DVD’s need to be BACK ON THE TABLE now….and percentages of everything need to tick UPWARD with each passing day. I’m thinking a 1/20th of a percent a day — which would result in a half-percent raise every 10 days that the AMPTP drags their feet.
Everyone I talk with feels the same way.