Tuesday was the day that the writers and the producers were supposed to start considering “new business” during their resumed contract negotiations. But, instead, they just kept focused on old business. Day #2 was supposed to be ”when they really start advancing the ball forward” and “where the rubber can really meet the road,” according to its advance billing. Instead, it was the same old same old.
Again, negotiators for the AMPTP presented that “very comprehensive proposal which laid out to all the entire roadmap to the deal” and, again, addressed every single issue. And, again, negotiators for the WGA listened and, again, kept getting up to caucus.
But where was the new stuff?
The reps for the studios and networks keep telling me about at least two improvements in their comprehensive proposal presented Monday compared to what was on the table back on Sunday November 4th when the talks broke off and the strike began. “But they also feel that the writers weren’t paying attention and didn’t absorb the proposal back then. So, basically, they presented back what they proposed on November 4th,” an insider in that camp explains to me.
It took a couple of hours, I’m told, for the AMPTP to do this. “They went over the proposal point by point as though they were delivering a new proposal,” a different source explained to me. “But it was the exact same proposal, though they restated their positions in a friendlier manner.”
Yet I’ve been repeatedly told by people in a position to know that the networks and studios do have new stuff to present, and the writers still hope that will be done sooner rather than later. But it’s truly baffling to me exactly why the AMPTP is slowing down the process when, if anything, it should be speeded up especially with Christmas looming. On the other hand, this is a favorite negotiating tactic of AMPTP president Nick Counter: to repeatedly offer little new until the guilds are forced to negotiate against themselves by continually reducing their demands. (Which is one reason why the writers now are toying with a provocative new tactic of raising their demands at every bargaining session.)
My question is: have the Hollywood moguls authorized Counter to delay? (Which, if so, will give fuel to the fire that the studios and networks just agreed to these talks purely for their PR value and are instead adhering to their individual timetables to declare force majeure. If the moguls think they’re badly losing the PR war now, which they are, just wait until that happens.) Or has Counter talked them into this strategy because he thinks it’ll work now just as it has in the past?
But that was then, and this is now. I’m hearing phrases like “jaw-dropping”, “mind-boggling” and “you can gape at the chutzpah” to describe Tuesday’s session. But I also hear the writers are determined not to feel frustrated or angry. ”You’ve got to admire the kabuki of it,” a source told me. “You can look at this as some really sophisticated and interesting negotiating tactic, or as stonewalling. But it’s also paralysis. It’s one thing to go back but another to not move at all.”
Still, an insider is convinced that what happened at Tuesday’s session “is like two cars just sitting there getting ready for a game of chicken. Neither one wants to go first. Both sides will get past this. I don’t know when, but they will.”
I understand the writers will spend this AM caucusing to figure out their next move.
Look, I’m going to wait until I receive a report about Wednesday’s talks before I begin passing judgment on what’s happening, or not happening, here. But I must say that Day #2 certainly puts a damper on all those wishful-thinking rumors sweeping Hollywood and beyond – but not here at DHD – that the strike would be settled by December 8th.
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- LET’S STRIKE A DEAL! Both Sides Agree To Go Back Into Talks
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1) Force majeure. The strike will make/save them money. Let’s hope it’s the beginning of the end of pod deals!
2) Why pay people over the holidays? Settle right before, so the writers are forced to write over the holidays (pilots, show scripts, etc.), and then don’t start paying crews and actors until the new year.
3) The money saved will probably be close to what they end up giving us, so, psychologically, they can feel it’s a win. They didn’t spend any extra money.
See, that’s what I said yesterday –
an extended champgne brunch after a leisurely round of golf in the morning – at which point
NOTHING HAPPENED in the meeting.
I regrettably must agree with ChuckT. He treads heavily, but speaks with truth.
The writers are “playing” strike. They are striking in the same way that they would WRITE a strike. In the movie STRIKE, the noble writers win, the people rise up to support them and the studio heads are clumsy fools who cave when a crowd of fans surround the studio and sing “Kum Ba Yah.”
In reality, the studio realizes that in time – and not very long from now – the writers will get sick of playing strike and not understand why they’re not back at work. Also, the fans, who right now are enjoying seeing their favorite writers as heroes and martyrs, will turn against them when there is nothing on TV and their favorite movies are delayed or bollocked up.
A love the idea of “force majeure.”
As if they won’t immediately turn around and set up a bunch of new shitty deals. They are studios, after all. Nobody wastes more money.
Felicia, you’re gold for explaining the REALITY of the situation. This isn’t 1955. Corporations haven’t weakened. They’ve combined forces, devoured the smaller companies and can now pretty much withstand anything for at least six months. Producers/Studio people HATE writers and their sense of entitlement. Far as they’re concerned it’s worth it to hold off on a deal to clean house AND make the bitches/WGA squirm.
Again, the numbers behind all this.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jonathan-handel/reflections-on-residuals_b_73908.html
Bottom Line: If we split all our proposals down the middle it would come out to 60 Mil/Studio.
This is chump change.
While the “force majeure” theories are appealing on both surface and emotional levels, the real AMPTP timetable most likely relates to the 2008 upfronts. I believe the studios want to settle this by Christmas, in order to have a reasonable pilot season leading to the $9 billion they will bank from advertisers. The monies saved by cancelling individual deals pursuant to force majeure pales in comparison to this advertising coin.
They are undoubtedly playing “wait and see” with the WGA now. Things will not get serious until about December 15, IMHO. Until then, the WGA needs to hold tight at the table. At this point, the picketing is basically irrelevant to the negotiations. The studios realize the writers are serious; they will not move off their current positions until the strike threatens pilot season.
I truly believe that the force majeur gains cannot be worth the losses.
You all should stop worrying about what show biz is saying and start listening to what Wall Street is saying. Wall Street says that the strike must end, or the business will be permanently damaged. They see this strike as evidence of bad management in an industry that has basically enjoyed a monopoly on distribution for too long.
The piece in the LA Times entitled “Come On Writers, Script Your Future” is the sort of thing the private capital community is paying attention to. Soon the writer-entrepreneur will be among the most powerful entities in the new Hollywood. Wall Street, and the big money funds, are paying attention.
When all distribution is able to be done digitally (including theatrical exibition) the current media conglomerates are in real danger of being overtaken by new entities who share profit with talent (ALL talent, not just stars), are committed to more open, honest bookeeping, and who leave the creative jobs to the creatives, thus eliminating the expensive layers of the executive ranks.
It’s already happening with companies like Ryan Cavanaugh’s “Relativity Media” which is, essentially, a movie bank.
Read the LA Times article and see the future. Both sides are best served by making a reasonable deal…and soon.
As a side note, the Teamsters will not take kindly to a strike that goes through Christmas, or even comes close to it.
But it won’t matter for long, because before long there will be many new players in both production and distribution.
The old media dinasaurs have one more chance to avoid the meteor that is heading their way, and the first step is to settle this strike and rekindle their relationships with the creative community, for we are, in this business, the means of production.
If they don’t, they will watch as the meteor hits and destroys their little Jurassic Park. The meteor is private capital and digital distribution.
Watch out, companies.
I have a naive question. Do writers HAVE to picket or is it voluntary?
I’m with anotherWGAmember here. Let’s go back to Washington. The studios have been telling us that they don’t make any money for so long that everybody just shrugs and accepts it. Net points are a joke, nobody expects to see them. Why have we put up with that for so long? This creative accounting that makes every movie look like a failure was illegal back in the day when these were privately owned companies and it’s in violation of Federal laws now that they’re all publicly traded.
I say if they don’t step up to the plate this time, we explore legal means to force them to open up their books. That’ll end this in a hurry.
I for one welcome our new AMPTP overlords.
Gotta go with the consensus – it’s a ploy by the AMPTP to stall for force majeure (not only to cancel overalls, but also allows them to reduce episodic guarantees and holding deals for actors in the current season – definitely worth the money).
I know that if I still had my studio gig, I would definitely be advising this exact scenario.
Don’t know how you are getting the info, Nikki, but thank you and keep it going!
Nikki is right on for reporting negotiation updates.
A vacuum atmosphere is a bully tactic by the AMPTP because a black out facilitates their shenanigans and bad faith negotiations. The AMPTP is losing the PR war and a blackout benefits them – while the WGA loses a key strategic leverage.
This is not gossip reporting – this is a business blog. If you are offended, go elsewhere. Folks like “Tom” are clearly trolls for AMPTP upset that news of the same baloney tactics by AMPTP is getting out.
Keep reporting, Nikki.
No matter how strong public opinion is in favor of the WGA and our strike, the AMPTP still has the upper hand and it consistently feels like they are at least two steps ahead of our negotiating team. From this post and all the comments above, I get the feeling that we need much stronger negotiators on our side… Isn’t there someone out there who can out-manipulate and out-maneuver them or at least match their skills?
Felicia is one of the few posters that seems to know what the hell she is talking about. That’s not pessimism, that’s realism; a healthy dose of which the many blowhards posting on this site should take.
Writer’s, if you want to change the reality of your situation you need to stop whoring yourselves out, own your work and share the financial risk that is involved in turning your words into film and tv. In the face of status quo, Capital tends to reward the entrepenuer. Entrepenuers are creative. Writers are supposed to be creative….
Why can’t everybody just be honest? For the most part, writers have always hated the studios and the networks. They give lame notes, they interfere in the creative process. Most CE’s don’t make nearly as much money and yet they still control us. Writers hate most actors on their own shows. They are demanding, also give lame notes and get more difficult every year a show reamins on the air. However, they are still our bread and butter. All the actors you mocked in the room are now your heroes for stopping by the picket lines. The networks’ and studios’ behavior is shocking to you, yet you’ve held them in contempt for years. And, big surprise, the networks and studios hate most of you. They consider you egocentric, difficult and greedy. Everyone spends so much time pretending that they don’t hate each other all the time and yet act all surprised when another party doesn’t act fairly. How many times have you heard yourselves say the actors should just shut up and say their lines and stop haggling for more money and delaying production when they already make more than they deserve? Yes, writers deserve more compensation for DVDs and New Media, but we should have a little introspection too, and just admit that we are greedy just like everybody else.
I think they need to get this settled before I run into financial ruin. Not working is hard on the bank account, especially when it’s for a big pissing contest between two groups of people. All the “outsiders” who post comments like this is some sort of football game, or boxing match – GET A LIFE. I will not be able to pay rent soon, and thank god I don’t have kids. I don’t care about your stupid points, stop ruining the already fragile economy! Why is no one taking it seriously that I get nothing out of this except for an empty bank account. I understand you want a piece of the pie, but do you have to ruin the whole pie to get it?
1.25 is a lowball offer?
Hilarious.
Re: Glick’s Michael Moore question – a WGA member did a very funny spoof of Roger & Me called Nick & Me where he was trying to track down Nick Counter for a “few questions”.
Well, at least they’re talking… hopefully that won’t be the best thing we can say a couple weeks from now.
And Nikki, where on earth do you dig up your choice of clip art? It alternates from pitch-perfect to just… utterly random. You do realize cars face each other in a game of Chicken, and it’s not a race, as your picture suggests right? Haha, keep up the good work!
I had tickets for the Daily show for December 11.
This talk of fun striking and “lets show them how big our balls are” disgusts me. Writers act like it’s just them vs. the studios. For every writer on strike, there are 10-30 below the line show employees or vendor employees that are being put out of work. I am a below the line employee soon to be unemployed. We are the collateral damage of the strike. We have no vote on the strike and we gain nothing when there finally is a resolution — other than being able to look for a job in the industry we are trained for. Don’t tell me about how IATSE’s health fund is based on residuals – no gains from this round of negotiations will ever make up for the lost wages already incurred. And it’s not just the 50,000 IATSE members, it’s hundreds of thousands of post facility employees, rental company employees, etc etc. You are not fighting for the little guy. You’ve put the little guy out of a job. Right now, the media only hears from the writers or their SAG supporters. If this isn’t settled soon, they will hear from us — and there are a lot more of us than there are of you. All we want is to be able to work to support our families. Please negotiate with us in mind. Happy Holidays.
“Just because viewers miss their favorite shows, doesn’t mean they won’t spend 8 months watching alternative programming.”
Let’s look at this part of the situation, I don’t think you quite get it.
With reruns and filler, there’s no question that ratings will be down to some degree. Who knows how much, but nobody in their right mind thinks that ratings will stay consistent without new scripted programming. On the flipside, I don’t think anyone thinks that everyone would completely bail on watching TV regardless of what is on – some people will watch anything, so there will still be someone watching.
But the big issue for the studios is that they promised a certain size (and demographic) audience to their advertisers. If they don’t deliver what they promised, they have to make that up to their advertisers.
If they only miss by a little, they can just make good by giving out extra ads. They’re doing this already since generally ratings have been worse than last year overall. But if ratings get low enough, the advertisers will start demanding their money back.
And with little new programming, ratings seem likely to get even lower. Sure, the big corporations are big, diversified, and have deep pockets. But are shareholders going to be OK with it if the networks start having to give CASH refunds to advertisers?
The studios save some money by not paying talent and by using force majeur to kill contracts they don’t want. Absolutely. But the real question that people overlook is whether that money saved is more than the money lost by giving up ad income because of lower ratings. Is it?
It’s like if McDonalds employees went on strike and all the restaurants shut down…would it really make sense that the company would be just fine because it meant they were saving money on paying wages? Cutting expenses helps the company…but enough to offset a loss in income?
As agentatanotheragency and Shawn said, I think this has everything to do with the threat of force majeure. If one is expecting rationality from the studios…hello? These are the people from whom you (I’m not a writer, not industry related, just a curious third party) have gotten crapped on and overlooked for a long time. The public is so far behind the WGA at this time that it would really be a good time for the WGA to start pulling out some stops and embarassing and shaming the stuiods. They are like Britney Spears-no one can tell them the truth; the only card they have is the force majeure card. They don’t have public support or the facts.
I guess they weren’t “12 hours away from a deal” when the talks collapsed after all, but they have created a great new road trip song for the holidays:
“On the first day of new talks, the AMPTP gave to me… nothing.
On the second day of new talks, the AMPTP gave to me…
nothing…”
(continue ad nauseum)