I was less than flattering to producer Gavin Polone for his opinions expressed on the Fox Business Network yesterday. Now Polone has made contact with me to more fully explain why he’s not just Another Attention Hog Blathers On Strike as I accused him of being. He’s now allowed me to post the two comments he made after coming under attack from, among others, Jorge A. Reyes, the creator of Kevin Hill.):
“Hey, thanks for all of the attention. I want to make sure that I get more than Ari.
I wanted to clarify a few things. First, that I am not saying the studios will never be hurt by the strike. Probably in 9 months to a year when the feature film pipeline dries up, they will have a big problem. Before that time, they will not be producing expensive new scripted shows and they will cut overhead drastically, using force majeur to get out of contractual obligations. This cuts the expense side of the profit equation drastically. The revenue side will not be damaged significantly. Look at the network numbers right now: same as usual. You’ll see them hold for quite a while. They have a lot of sports coming up and more reality programs on tap, including Idol. Ad dollars will continue to pour in. Procter and Gamble has to sell their soap somehow. Yes, people who are fans of particular shows will not watch the reruns of those shows but they will watch reruns of shows they haven’t seen before. I’ve seen every I Love Lucy and every Bewitched but I never saw them on their first runs. Therefore, the networks will continue to make money. During the last strike, the big three networks ratings dropped slightly but Fox and the cable nets went up a lot. If fewer people watch NBC but many more watch USA, Zucker may still show overall profit stability. And, I don’t think NBC will be hurt that bad, anyway. Sunday night football will do even better opposite reruns on ABC.
Also, these companies have many ways to earn money. CBS owns a huge outdoor advertising business: if companies move away from TV advertising they’ll buy more billboards and radio (CBS also has radio). Fox owns MySpace: they’ll also benefit if ad dollars leave broadcast TV. Maybe people will go to theme parks because they’re sick of reruns: good for Disney and NBCUni. Maybe people will read more: CBS owns Simon and Schuster and Newscorp owns Harpercollins.
I do think the WGA has taken the wrong course in being so aggressive and vituperative. They just encourage the studios to dig in deeper, so they don’t show the other unions that they will bend to pressure. And, as I said, those companies are run by tough individuals who aren’t afraid of fighting it out.
So, in short, the WGA will have to hang in for a long time to hurt the big entertainment companies. During that time, many writers will get into bad shape financially. People who are in related businesses will be hurt even more, as they aren’t getting residuals from the reruns that will be all over the schedule, like many writers do. Did you know that writers on Letterman are probably getting $2500 in residuals per week, and up, for every week that he stays off the air? When people at panavision or catering companies start losing their jobs because of the strike, there will be a backlash against the writers. I don’t think they can hold out under the resulting personal or outside pressure of a long strike. Some will scab. Others will protest within the guild. The end result will be they will go back, on bended knee, and negotiate the deal that they probably could have made had they not gone out on strike and just kept negotiating.
Finally, to those of you who said shit about finding out where I live or blackballing me, I want to say that this is the kind of behavior that causes most people to lose sympathy with your cause. The guild’s telling members to turn in others who they think will scab is particularly repugnant. Is this a writer’s union or the Soviet Union? I should be threatened because I expressed my opinion? Really, calm down and act like adults. If your ideas and leverage are so strong, you don’t need to threaten people to win the battle.
And then, then inimitable Polone responds this way to the re-start of WGA-AMPTP talks:
“There are many reasons that the AMPTP would start negotiating. My guess is because it looks good. They do have a lot of interaction with the FCC right now and want rules changed. Appearing reasonable is smart business. I am very confident because they are not being hurt, right now, by the strike. There is no evidence of that. Movies are coming out and TV ratings haven’t dropped.
When you say “the eyes of Hollywood,” whom are you talking about. The AMPTP is Hollywood. They are not “Humiliated and embarrassed.” I have spoken to many studio people recently and I don’t get any of that. I think they’ll come back with a similar proposal to what they had the Sunday before the strike and be willing, later, to get to a slightly higher proposal that, pretty much, applies the current residual plan to downloads.
Speaking of embarrassed, why don’t you print your name on your posts? If you’re so confident about your views, put your name behind them. It is pretty easy to name call and take a stand anonymously. If you think it is okay to accuse other bloggers of not being “real writers” why not let us all assess if you are a “real writer.” So far, I can only go by the fact that you wrote “peace, out” at the end of your post, which makes me believe that nobody has ever paid you to write anything.”






I’m not interested in anything you have to say, Gavin.
Besides, you’ll never be as cool or worthwhile as Bryan Lourd.
Hey Gavin
I’m a hardworking hyphenate who will never, ever, EVER turn in a scab, repugnant as they are to me. I don’t cheer on my union members for talking shit. Believe me, I and most writers I know act like adults.
I’m not striking because I like the idea of “hurting” companies. I am withholding my services until we get a decent contract. I cannot wave a wand. I can’t predict the true impact of the strike. Neither can you, though I grant you that you’re more educated about it that I am. Sick of reruns = travel to Disneyworld? That’s a bit of a stretch, don’t you think? Sure, conglomerates will still make lots of money. Writers won’t, and we’ll suffer. Good for the Letterman crew that they’re get all those residuals. The great majority of us won’t get near that (even someone like me, who works on a quite successful show).
I don’t believe one Idol or five Idols will fill the gap we leave. I don’t believe crowing about profits because you can force majeure a few millionaire slackers and also not pay for new pilots makes sense. What will the studios crow about when there are not enough scripts to produce for next season? The argument we’ve been hearing is a textbook “robbing peter to pay paul” kind of shortsightedness. Could take 9 months. Could take a year. But if this strike doesn’t end now, studios will feel something by Christmas.
Not saying they’ll feel enough to give a shit. We’ll be feeling it, though. We and our crew and our assistants. But you know what? I’ll take a loan. I’ll get another job. Moguls don’t like to be treated aggressively? Neither do I. I don’t cave just because someone warns me it could get ugly. Please. A lot us subsisted on Top Ramen for YEARS trying to get into the business. That’s not a threat. That’s just reality. The reality is, we fought hard fights long before this one. Don’t underestimate us.
I agree that people asking where he lives is really immature and irresponsible. Even if he is a bit of a jerk (but he’s never denied this.) Would have been nice to hear his thoughts on the upcoming talks, even if he think they’re just for show.
Gavin needs a new crystal ball. The one he’s using is busted. Hey Gavin, how are you gonna spin this line of horse shit if things work out sooner than anticipated? I’m sure you’ll split this hair, and spin the whole thing to show that somehow you were… gasp… right all along.
Go fuck yourself, you fraud.
What an asshole.
Peace out.
for a guy who built his career on the backs of talent, he sure is quick to cowtow. Like any rep, former or present, he doesn’t make money off residuals and therefore has no interest in writers getting them. That’s why all of the agencies were slow to support their clients. If agents and managers got a commision on residuals they would be right there on the picketline with the rest of us. Now that gavin has leaped to producer he cares even less. He can’t leech off larry David until larry gets back to work
Ben, agents do get a cut of SAG residuals, and everyone knows that this strike is largely a proxy strike for SAG. So, agents do have a vested interest in this succeeding.
His comments don’t change anything. He’s still a blathering attention hog.
Pissing on the people he built a career on. Classy. The only thing sadder than Polone’s behavior is its predictability.
Poodle Gavin Polone argues: “The companies are too strong, they don’ t need you, give up.” Yip, yip, yip.
If the Guild had listened to the Gavin Polone’s of the world, we wouldn’t have residuals, health benefits or pensions. Just ask a non-WGA animation writer. Any benefit that any union member has, has been fought for against overwhelming odds, and with people like Gavin Polone telling them they didn’t have a chance and should shut-up and go back to work.
“The opposition is too powerful. Give up without trying!” You’d make some leading man, Gavin.
Scott Boras called, Gavin — he wants his asshole back.
more big logic flaws with Gavin’s argument — ad dollars for I Love Lucy are a fraction of Lost’s. Also, the big six don’t share revenues. You think NBC is psyched people will turn from reruns of The Office to watch Idol? Whatever viewer migration occurs, some nets will be hurt worse than others, creating division within the AMPTP ranks. Also, as Quarterlife is demonstrating, if the networks alienate writers too much we’ll eventually find equity and turn them into licensing shells.
Peace out
“Did you know that writers on Letterman are probably getting $2500 in residuals per week, and up, for every week that he stays off the air?”
Use “probably” is the same as “Here’s a guess that I have no figures to back up!”
I don’t think it’s a secret to anyone that writers receive payment for repeats.
However, that is a wildly inaccurate number. And it calls into question the legitimacy of every other claim you make.
Gavin’s production company is called “Pariah.”
I rest my case.
What you have said is Double Plus Ungood, Gavin.
A real stand up guy, in case anyone forgets:
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/graphics/art3/gpoloneall.pdf
Interesting and quite flawed. The idea that people will move to cable and not the internet is absurd. But you did cover the internet – when you brought up Myspace. Seriously? That’s ridiculous. There is plenty of other entertainment on the internet and very little of that is on Myspace. It is a social network, not yet a place for entertainment. You, however, could spend hours upon hours on YouTube – I’m sorry, which one of the studios owns that? Oh, right.
And that fact that you brought up I Love Lucy and Bewitched as examples of reruns is hilarious. When you were done watching an episode, did you climb aboard your dinosaur and head down to the drug store for a soda? Jesus, how old are you?
Yes, the studios have deep pockets, but so do companies like Apple and Google and if any studio head does not think they are working fast to come up with an idea to capitalize on this situation, then they are fucking morons. If the studios lose the Net Neutrality battle, then they are toast. The longer the strike drags on, the longer writers will begin thinking up ways to work online. Trust me, that is the most common conversation people have been having in the picket lines. In the first week of the strike I acquired funding for an online project. Several others I spoke to are doing the same. The number of shows that will be hitting the web in a few months is going to spike and if the studios have not made a deal, that audience will just move away from television. And writers like myself will be making a name on the web and then the money will follow. The time to move and establish yourself as a online creator is now and the studios are giving us ample time to move in that direction.
But you keep yammering on about their deep pockets, while people like myself move to the new frontier – without any studio money or interference. No notes. Just the artists vision as it was always meant to be. Sounds like heaven.
And I guess I’m not going to go to Disneyland for a while because several million people will be there everyday.
Ben…
Um, er, didn’t an agent (or agents) get the two sides together in the first place to at least talk on Monday.
And, PS, Gavin is right in his responses (with the exception of more reruns = more Disneyland), these guys have revenue streams up the yin-yang. I think most of us are sympathetic to the writers cause, but the “real world” says the AMPTP offer coming will probably be more of the same with some modest bumps, and will address a SOLUTION for other distribution platforms (the Internet or Web is an outdated term), as in 5-10 years we’ll all have IPTV and an endless supply of content.
The WGA and the constiuency need to realize this is a business of compromise, and the best deals are the ones where both sides walk away from the table unhappy.
Uhh… Mr. Polone, what about the financial hit of not having any TV series to sell overseas this year, if the strike lasts for months??
Don’t the studios make something like half their TV revenues selling shows in foreign markets? (Bottom line enhanced, by the way, because we writers have a shitty deal for foreign residuals. Which, in itself, makes me wonder how many shitty deals the Companies expected us to swallow before we stood up and said, “Enough! You’re not gonna bone us on the Internet too!”)
I’ve known Gavin for about 20 years and have found that he is usually the one person in the room willing to vocalize the (often uncomfortable) truth. Those who would like to ascribe less savory reasons for his success, i.e. that he is indeed “the Prince of Darkness,” should dig a little deeper.
Anonymous who posted at 2pm, as opposed to the other anonymouses.
I think we have a lot of common ground. We both agree that it will take a while for the studios to suffer. Maybe you can hang on for that long but I doubt many can. Maybe you have a more compact lifestyle than others and can weather it longer. Maybe you’re tougher and deal with more hardship. If the writers can hang on for a long time, the WGA will have huge leverage and get what they want.
My comment about the Letterman writers was to show how resentment might come from those who are laid off because of the strike but have no floor beneath their incomes and no gain in an eventual settlement.
Anyway, thanks for the insult and threat free post.
Right on Gavin, right on . . .I couldn’t have said it any better.
Why don’t I use my real name? Well, honestly, because the people who hire me know my name. You know my name, Gavin. And when this strike is over, I’d like to work again. Just maybe not with you. We writers have long grown used to keeping our honest opinions about the lunacy we enounter on a daily basis to ourselves.
I read that long-winded “analysis” and didn’t learn a single new thing. It’s all just meant to spread FUD plain and simple.
Every writer I’ve talked to on the line is dug in and prepared to fight for the long haul, be it weeks, months or longer. No one wants it to go that long, but we’d be total idiots to take a crappy deal.
No fear, and what the hell– peace out.
Instead of spinning and shilling for the studios under the guise of a neutral face, why doesn’t Polone offer a constructive suggestion as to how the writers could’ve handled the strike effectively?
He fails to offer a solution because the WGA did and continues to do things right. There was no alternative, the studios were not going to concede a cent.
Polone is smugly continuing the effort on the studios’ behalf to “psych out” the writers and diminish morale.
Polone is no friend of writers. Note his prophesy of a backlash against writers. This is simply malicious stirring of the pot when if he were truly a constructive force he would suggest those out of work direct their ire to those who fired them – the studios.
But he is not a constructive force. Nor is he an original thinker. He simply likes the sound of his own voice. He has said nothing that hasn’t been said over and over re: the studios laughable invincibility. Why was he even on tv?
He is an attention hog who doesn’t make a dime off residuals, but does make dimes from the studios. He is also out of work and figures the writers are softer targets to attack than the studios. What a coward.
If the studios were so invincible, they wouldn’t need to take out full page ads in the trades, or hire shills to spread lies, or return to the bargaining table even if just for show.
Fact is, studios are not faring well in this strike.
And if Polone has so much withering disdain for those who disagree with him, why is he bothering to write into a blog?
He has the smug obnoxiousness of a lawyer. He once said in an interview that he has no interest in the content of his shows, that he doesn’t even read scripts. He came off as blank and soulless then as he does now.
This was about him getting his name in the paper. Don’t do deals with this guy when this is all over.
Stay strong, WGA. You’re doing a great job.