I was less than flattering to producer Gavin Polone for his opinions expressed on the Fox Business Network yesterday. Now Polone has made contact with me to more fully explain why he’s not just Another Attention Hog Blathers On Strike as I accused him of being. He’s now allowed me to post the two comments he made after coming under attack from, among others, Jorge A. Reyes, the creator of Kevin Hill.):
“Hey, thanks for all of the attention. I want to make sure that I get more than Ari.
I wanted to clarify a few things. First, that I am not saying the studios will never be hurt by the strike. Probably in 9 months to a year when the feature film pipeline dries up, they will have a big problem. Before that time, they will not be producing expensive new scripted shows and they will cut overhead drastically, using force majeur to get out of contractual obligations. This cuts the expense side of the profit equation drastically. The revenue side will not be damaged significantly. Look at the network numbers right now: same as usual. You’ll see them hold for quite a while. They have a lot of sports coming up and more reality programs on tap, including Idol. Ad dollars will continue to pour in. Procter and Gamble has to sell their soap somehow. Yes, people who are fans of particular shows will not watch the reruns of those shows but they will watch reruns of shows they haven’t seen before. I’ve seen every I Love Lucy and every Bewitched but I never saw them on their first runs. Therefore, the networks will continue to make money. During the last strike, the big three networks ratings dropped slightly but Fox and the cable nets went up a lot. If fewer people watch NBC but many more watch USA, Zucker may still show overall profit stability. And, I don’t think NBC will be hurt that bad, anyway. Sunday night football will do even better opposite reruns on ABC.
Also, these companies have many ways to earn money. CBS owns a huge outdoor advertising business: if companies move away from TV advertising they’ll buy more billboards and radio (CBS also has radio). Fox owns MySpace: they’ll also benefit if ad dollars leave broadcast TV. Maybe people will go to theme parks because they’re sick of reruns: good for Disney and NBCUni. Maybe people will read more: CBS owns Simon and Schuster and Newscorp owns Harpercollins.
I do think the WGA has taken the wrong course in being so aggressive and vituperative. They just encourage the studios to dig in deeper, so they don’t show the other unions that they will bend to pressure. And, as I said, those companies are run by tough individuals who aren’t afraid of fighting it out.
So, in short, the WGA will have to hang in for a long time to hurt the big entertainment companies. During that time, many writers will get into bad shape financially. People who are in related businesses will be hurt even more, as they aren’t getting residuals from the reruns that will be all over the schedule, like many writers do. Did you know that writers on Letterman are probably getting $2500 in residuals per week, and up, for every week that he stays off the air? When people at panavision or catering companies start losing their jobs because of the strike, there will be a backlash against the writers. I don’t think they can hold out under the resulting personal or outside pressure of a long strike. Some will scab. Others will protest within the guild. The end result will be they will go back, on bended knee, and negotiate the deal that they probably could have made had they not gone out on strike and just kept negotiating.
Finally, to those of you who said shit about finding out where I live or blackballing me, I want to say that this is the kind of behavior that causes most people to lose sympathy with your cause. The guild’s telling members to turn in others who they think will scab is particularly repugnant. Is this a writer’s union or the Soviet Union? I should be threatened because I expressed my opinion? Really, calm down and act like adults. If your ideas and leverage are so strong, you don’t need to threaten people to win the battle.
And then, then inimitable Polone responds this way to the re-start of WGA-AMPTP talks:
“There are many reasons that the AMPTP would start negotiating. My guess is because it looks good. They do have a lot of interaction with the FCC right now and want rules changed. Appearing reasonable is smart business. I am very confident because they are not being hurt, right now, by the strike. There is no evidence of that. Movies are coming out and TV ratings haven’t dropped.
When you say “the eyes of Hollywood,” whom are you talking about. The AMPTP is Hollywood. They are not “Humiliated and embarrassed.” I have spoken to many studio people recently and I don’t get any of that. I think they’ll come back with a similar proposal to what they had the Sunday before the strike and be willing, later, to get to a slightly higher proposal that, pretty much, applies the current residual plan to downloads.
Speaking of embarrassed, why don’t you print your name on your posts? If you’re so confident about your views, put your name behind them. It is pretty easy to name call and take a stand anonymously. If you think it is okay to accuse other bloggers of not being “real writers” why not let us all assess if you are a “real writer.” So far, I can only go by the fact that you wrote “peace, out” at the end of your post, which makes me believe that nobody has ever paid you to write anything.”
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Where would YOU be without writers Gavin? Allow me to quote Bill Murray from Ghostbusters… a classic line from a WRITER.
“This man has no dick.”
I think that sums your existence up fairly well. Which is odd, considering you decided to toss your meaningless two cents into this “pissing” contest.
When you have a child who has anger issues and needs to act out and call attention to himself in public – the first thing a therapist will tell you is that if that child is not a danger to anyone else or to himself, then you should I-G-N-O-R-E him within reason. Feeding the beast with acknowledgment or attention only encourages socially inappropriate behavior.
I am trying to follow Gavin’s logic here.
He believes that going on strike gives the WGA no leverage because, presumably, taking down immensely popular shows like “24″ and however many “CSI’s” there are, is incredibly welcome news to the networks because fans of, say, “Desperate Housewives” don’t care if they actually watch “Desperate Housewives,” they’ll just watch whatever the hell else is on instead. (It makes me wonder why networks EVER run original programming, since all it does is cost them money and gains them no viewers at all.)
So, concludes Gavin, we should have negotiated WITHOUT going on strike. OK, but then what kind of leverage would THAT have given us? After all, he just explained that there’s nothing networks love more than when production stops, so what kind of incentive would there be for the AMPTP to give ground on anything, ever?
Why, none, of course.
So basically, in the world of Gavin Polone, all the WGA could really do is ask politely for a better deal and then, when that didn’t work, ask politely again.
Brilliant.
actually, people are not shifting to other networks or going to disneyland
everyone’s reading DHD!
Polone is an idiot. How could threatening a strike against the shrewd dispassionate businessmen actually have provided any leverage???? If Media Moguls are as pennywise as Polone suggests would they not have welcomed a strike instead of negotiating????!!!! My F-ing, urghhhh!!!! Do you possess a conscience, Mr. Polone??? Can’t you see that by your own reasoning, the moguls heartlessly and coldly calculated that they would chart a course leading straight to the pocket books of below line employees right before a holiday season? Why didn’t you make this clear and expose the dismally grey spirit behind your “opinion” and spell this out for the fly-over states you were trying to decieve in the same manner as the Network that you appeared on.
And as for Polone whining about getting ridiculed for giving his “opinion”… What you expressed Mr Polone was an analysis (an incomplete one at best). Do you possess a conscience??? If you do, stop and think, reassess your analysis and tell us what you really think about the Mogul’s position, or are you to afraid to say it, because you have put your name out there and don;t want Daddy big Bucks to get pissed at you. Try saying something against against people that could destroy your hopes and dreams on a whim or as an after thought and then we’ll see how ready you are to give your name, you big bad rogue opinion giver!!! And no, I’ve never gotten paid to write, but i bet the feeling you have right now if you’ve read this far, makes you know that I am a real writer.
I would love to see Gavin respond to the comments about riding the backs of writers to all his fame and fortune.
But obviously, he would never have the guts to do that. Because he knows how true it is.
No guts, no talent, just opinion.
just to clarify, I do not pay my agent on my feature residuals. I assumed this was standard. Only my biz manager and lawyer get a piece of that. Also, I do appreciate that bryan lourd got this thing going. I was just saying (perhaps incorrectly) that agents had vested interest in getting this going since they need to get us working again. At least no one took umbrage with the fact that palone is a leech.
I’ve been in the room with Gavin. I remember being so depressed after watching him try so hard to fit in with the writers. He had clearly rehearsed a series of “cynical” remarks to impress us, you know, because comedy writers are cynical. It was a seamless entry. Then, the pure sadness and anger I felt as he enthusiastically pitched jokes from the most well-mined territory (“How about the sassy grandma enters with a giant foam finger.”) He wouldn’t leave the room. It was awkward and awful. Also, in case you hadn’t heard, he’s a pariah. If you hadn’t heard, the pariah will gladly tell you himself what a pariah he is. Or, the pariah will tell the media what a pariah he is…that’s what outcasts do. They accept invitations to go on television and do interviews. “Hey, look at me! I’m a pariah!”
These are the mainsprings of his recent remarks concerning the strike: He wanted to be a writer, but wasn’t accepted into the club. (Anger, because he is a very competetive person.) He needs to maintain his pariah mythology. (Without it, he’s just who he is: another unremarkable, highly-driven guy in Hollywood.) So, nothing genuine or worthwhile here.
GAVIN –
Writers are “aggressive” and “vituperative?” That’s a compliment coming from you.
Writers are nothing if not sober, thoughtful, and frankly too easily manipulated most of the time. I think producers are resentful because we’re finally standing up for ourselves.
Every writer I know, from A-lister to showrunner on down, has already been pressured by producers to scab and do work right now. And we’ve all said ‘no thanks’ and the more dick-ish producers can’t stand it.
(btw, there are cool ones who are totally supportive)
And hey Gavin if you really cared so much about the little guy, where are you contributing to help? Most writers I know, many with less resources than you, are throwing together funds to help others if this goes long.
The more you say, the grosser you sound.
xoxo
A-lister who works with good people.
In the end, Gavin’s argument seems to be, “there are enough movies in the pipeline that the studios don’t need to worry about anything, and tv is in such great shape that they don’t even need new shows. Possibly ever.”
The companies can make their money off of myspace (which is already that crappy, abandoned mall with the orange julius that people are leaving for Facebook in the millions), off of cable shows (um, which will run out of content pretty soon, too), off of publishing (it would be wonderful if people read books again; they don’t), off of radio (really, Gavin actually said CBS radio? From CNN: “CBS’s radio unit has long been an underperformer, delivering steadily declining advertising revenue as listeners shift to prerecorded music or commercial-free satellite radio.”) and off of theme parks (can’t… process… logic…).
Plus, he says “ad revenue will continue to pour in.” Yup, I think Procter and Gamble is positively psyched to be showing their new, expensive ads with repeats of shows that were broadcast LAST MONTH (especially with the shows that needed to BUILD ratings).
If Gavin watched “I Love Lucy,” he may have noticed that the powerhouse companies advertising during the show include the Bedazzler and Paul, the King of Big Screens. There is NO OTHER ADVERTISING MEDIUM as powerful or with as far a reach as PRIME TIME, FIRST RUN TELEVISION. And with the WGA strike, it’s already gone.
The reason Gavin looks like a shill is that his arguments are specious. They don’t seem like “uncomfortable truths,” they seem like propaganda. It isn’t exactly obvious to me why he’d be rooting for the Alliance, though… It seems writers have been pretty good to you.
And as for WGA members turning in scabs… That’s what unions do. And word on the street is, the WGA is using a velvet glove. From what I understand, scabs aren’t threatened or harassed. They’re simply told that when the strike ends, the Guild won’t have them. And then, it will be difficult to find work, so the choice is the scab’s to make. To me, it seems like a pretty even-handed approach; in other industries, scabs don’t get polite phone calls; I think they may get phones thrown at them. The big, old wooden ones that weigh, like, twenty pounds.
wow, not surprised about the sexual harassment lawsuits against Polone
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/graphics/art3/gpoloneall.pdf
would somebody pls call out zwick and herskowitz for selling non guild programming to a struck company during a strike???
Hey –
The letterman writers make more than me and I have, and will have, zero resentment.
The strike may take a long time and it sucks (we know that dude, it’s been discussed for over a year, but thanks for showing up and pointing out the obvious) But it’s also a last resort. The folks who formed this guild that I am so proud and grateful to be a part of (when I started I was guaranteed MBA, healthcare, pension, credit) – it took them 9 years of fighting to form the WGA. It’s my turn; I’m happy to sacrifice to keep from losing well-earned and necessary residuals.
It’s the AMPTP that should be ashamed and pressured for tossing other people out of their jobs. Why do you not hold them accountable? Oh that’s right, you’re whoring it up on Fox news…
Actually, that just speaks for itself.
This thanksgiving, I’m thankful you aren’t attached to any of my work. I kinda used to respect you…
What Gavin said just flat out makes sense. Everybody is reacting so emotionally that they’ve lost the ability to think calmly and rationally.
Didn’t take QL to sell out…
NBC Picks Up Quarterlife: New Media Taking Advantage of Hollywood Strike
http://www.deepjiveinterests.com/2007/11/17/nbc-picks-up-quarterlife-new-media-taking-advantage-of-hollywood-strike/
Further proof that Hollywood is “shutdown”. Producer Gavin Polone has nothing better to do but blog all day. I agree with the other posts… he is an *sshole with no d*ck. Wait, this is starting to sound like a “South Park” skit. Damn, it sounds like a great idea for an episode. Trey Parker… Matt Stone… you guys listening to this douche Polone?
personal feelings about Gavin (who I first met when he was an assistant 15+ years ago) aside, he’s right about the pain has a lag for the networks, wrong about everything else… including how long that lag is.
And be very clear that networks and their bosses and their bosses bosses know where revenue and profit comes from — billboards isn’t the same as on-air and the internet it drives (Oh, wait… does digital make money or do networks need more time to figure it out? I’m confused). When revenues dwindle, as I bet they are faster than they thought, and more people get let go… things will happen.
Also, advertising doesn’t take place in a vacuum. The money earmarked NBC isn’t going to land at USA. It’s going somewhere else all together.
Oh, Gavin’s also right about where the online deal will probably land, same 1.25% we’ve been asking for. More proof the AMPTP wanted the strike – because if they would have just come to the table with restoring the DVD to what it should have always been and applying the same number to online, we wouldn’t be here.
From the Guild gives health benefits. Therefore without the Guild, I wouldn’t have health benefits. From the Guild, I’ve also got a magazine Written By and a red T shirt. Therefore, without the Guild, I wouldn’t have magazine or T shirts.
Because it’s not like medical care, reading material or clothing is something you can just buy.
Moguls and fatcats generally care about two things. Money and their reputations. The former will play out over a longer term. But the latter is already at work. The last strike took place during the Reagan era, union-busting, and a very narrow media universe. It’s a mistake to confuse that time with this one. The public’s support for the striking writers is overwhelming– the now-familiar joke is that more Americans believe in UFOs than Nick Counter. Politicians have offered the kind of support that simply did not exist in the past — and that includes the three people mostly likely to become our next President. The Companies are returning to the table because they have already lost that battle. And it’s a battle that means something to them. Both for cosmetic reasons (ego, basically) and business reasons (they need happy and obeisant pols to keep their scams intact).
That leaves money. There’s no question that the companies have deep pockets. And setting aside the more risible points made — Disneyland and more book learnin’ –it seems likely that it will take a while to inflict a great deal of harm. But when we reach that point? That’s not one, but two TV seasons down the drain. And a seriously degraded movie slate. It’s arrant nonsense to suggest the Companies are not aware of this or that it will not have some impact on current negotiations.
Just one more thing that I find curious. Or maybe I find it predictable. (Both?) In his entire apologia — defense, counterattack, etc. — Mr. Pollone never addresses the right and wrong of this, never considers what is fair versus what is unfair. These things are apparently not worth comment. And in their place? The simplistic and morally dubious idea — not to mention spoonfed Company line — that Since You Can’t Win You Might as Well Surrender. (And the Sooner the Better.)
That’s not an uncomfortable truth. That’s cowardice in a very expensive suit.
Fact: Nobody knows how long this strike will go. NOBODY. Certainly not Those Who Like To Stab Writers In The Back: Gavin and Ari. We ALL want a quick resolution to this strike so we can get back to work. If Gavin somehow ends up being correct about the length of the strike, it’ll be luck, not brilliance. No matter, writers are in it for the long haul. I got my Top Ramen and peanut butter…
Fact: Gavin can’t take the heat! The man is melting down. (Exhibits A, B, C: his posts here). Let’s see, why would some writers choose to be anonymous when commenting here?… Hmmm… well, maybe because people like Ari and Gavin are drunk with their own power and enjoy denigrating writers whenever and wherever they can (Ari will throw a writer under the bus in a second to save an Endeavor package). Maybe because Gavin went on Fox and gave the finger to striking writers. Writers have been “mature” and “reasonable” for over eighty years and where has it gotten us? Screwed… NOW, thanks to the internet and Nikki Finke, we get to publicly express our thoughts/feelings and… uh-oh, the big boys, like Gavin, don’t like it. What a shame… How does it feel Gavin? Kind of like those tracking boards where managers/producers regularly trash writers – not just on the quality of the scripts – but personally as well (you know, just for fun).
FACT: Writers have power. And now in this “New Media” world we are going to use it. We will NOT back down this time. We will never give up. We will never give
in.
May this strike turn the town on its head and usher in a golden age for writers…
Happy Thanksgiving! (you too, Gavin)…
FACT: The town belongs to Nikki!
Gavin –
As to why people use pseudonyms here — Alexander Hamilton, James Madison and John Jay used the pseudonym “Publius” when writing the Federalist papers that helped create the great country you’re lucky to live in today.
So go fuck yourself…. anonymously.
Gavin Palone explains himself? Heeeee. I had no idea there was an explanation for Gavin Palone. This is a pathetic attempt on Gavin’s part to pretend that he’s still an insider. His main talent is for somehow getting the actual talent like Larry David and Amy Sherman Palladino to work with him. (What’s that all about anyway?) Gavin feeds off of “provocative” publicity the way a serial killer feeds off fear. (Anybody other than me remember the brass knuckles)? His macho swagger was at least kind of entertaining when he was a “young turk”. Now that he’s merely old and creepy, it’s not so cute anymore.
Mr. Polone’s initial interview with Fox contained a number of illogical statements (a few of the commenters took care of those last time) and a number of sensible insights (enough so that I didn’t think he deserved such hostility). Same goes for his newest statements. A few quick points, however:
1. Most of the writers are well aware that they’re sacrificing income in the short run. Polone’s observation that “many writers will get into bad shape financially” is obvious. What we’re fighting for, however, is better financial health down the road, not only for ourselves, but for future generations of writers.
2. Yes, some commenters talked shit about finding out where Polone lives, and yes, most of those comments were lame. But I don’t think they were as threatening as Polone thinks. The way I read it, people were making sport of Polone’s line, “these aren’t guys you can push around by walking outside of their houses with signs.” In other words, they were joking.
3. I also disagree with Polone’s complaint about being blackballed. Writers are free agents; they can work with whomever they please, for whatever reason they wish. Certainly Polone, who’s been around the block, shouldn’t be surprised that writers found some of his comments distasteful, particuarly his assertion that the strike has been, for him personally, rather opportune.
4. As for Polone’s line, “The guild’s telling members to turn in others who they think will scab”: this is false. No one at the WGA is asking writers to turn in members who they think WILL scab. What they’re asking is for members to report scabbing when they see it — for example, when a show runner asks his or her staff to come in during the strike and punch up work (yes, this is happening). If Polone wants to use hysterical slippery slopes arguments to make that sound like Soviet-style paranoia, fine. But that doesn’t make it any more accurate.
The writers around here talking about someone else’s arrogance is quite amusing. If I had 4 cents for every “without us none of you would have jobs, so stop complaining about being laid off” post, I’d be in pretty good shape for the next few months.
HERE’S WHY PALONE IS RIGHT!
He’s the type of personality that WGA has to sit across from at the bargaining table. How do you even begin to negotiate with a person like this? Our Guild will just be yelling down an empty well. We’re dealing with people who are working towards that ENRON moment where they’re high-fiving because their shares are going up as families are getting wiped out.