I’ve been given a copy of the presentation made to the WGA negotiating team today by Carol Lombardini, AMPTP’s exec vice president for business and legal affairs. (Be sure to see my 3RD UPDATE of TALKS DAY #8 for detail and background):
AMPTP STATEMENT DURING WGA NEGOTIATIONS
Held on December 7, 2007
The second group of proposals listed under the topic “Rejections” represents those proposals that are an absolute roadblock to any further progress in these negotiations. We have had some frank discussion with you about some of these proposals over the past three days. Unfortunately, these discussions have only reinforced our conviction as to how far apart the parties remain. These proposals are completely unacceptable in their present form, or in any altered form. They include:W-12 a), your Fair Market Value proposal. We remain steadfast in our conviction that fair market value should be determined by the marketplace itself, not by a third party. The notion of appointing an arbitrator or developing a legal system to ascertain monetary values in our business is utterly unacceptable.
Your Reality Program proposals, W-13 a) and b), are a clever disguise to what amounts to a top-down union organizing campaign. And those proposals, by applying the terms and conditions of the MBA to reality programs, render those companies already signatory to your Agreement unable to compete in the development and production of this type of programming.
Your presentation on December 5th of an added piece to the Reality Program proposal only widened the gap between us. Your proposal sought to bind the networks, who do not even sit at this bargaining table, to a contractual provision which prohibits them from doing business with those who do not offer the same pension and health provisions as set forth in the MBA. Surely you knew that even if any of us had the authority to make such a commitment, the idea of forcing the networks not to do business with a certain category of producers would be wholly unacceptable to us.
Your Animation proposal, W-14, is likewise unacceptable. As you know, there is another union which has long had jurisdiction over the work you are now seeking to cover by your proposal. We believe that it should be up to the writers in this field, using the procedures carefully established by Congress in the 1940s – in the same legislative act that validates the very existence of Writers Guild of America, East and West – to express their desire as to whether they wish to be represented by the WGA or that other union. It is not for us as Companies to usurp the secret ballot democratic election process established by the National Labor Relations Act by agreeing to another top-down union organization proposal.
Your Industry Standards proposal, W-15 a) – the simple statement here is that we will not allow a provision in a labor agreement to dictate those with whom we can do business. Your Sympathy Strike proposal, W-22, asks us to allow you to strike because of the existence of a labor dispute with another group. We cannot entertain that principle. The bargain we strike must include an ironclad pledge of labor peace for the term we agree upon. No exceptions will be entertained.
Lastly, we cannot agree to any new residual formula based upon the concept of “Distributor’s Gross.” That is, any residual formula that requires payment to be made based upon the receipts of an entity other than the signatory Company is unacceptable to us. Our agreement to share revenues with you must be limited to those revenues actually received by the signatory Company.
Your determination to continue to pursue these initiatives prevents us from making any movement in any other area. Therefore, unless you advise us immediately that these proposals are withdrawn, we see no purpose in continuing these talks.
Editor-in-Chief Nikki Finke - tip her here.


an obvious ultimatum. the last line says it all. drop these or we’re not coming back.
how is that negotiating?
however, i think the wga should drop their proposals for reality, animation and no-strike, and start haggling over the rest.
Yep. Smells like an ultimatum to me.
So let me get this straight…
The AMPTP asserts that because “discussions have only reinforced our conviction as to how far apart the parties remain,” then the WGA must withdraw their proposals so progress can be made.
That would be progress for THEM. For the WGA, not so much.
Absolutely unsurprising.
The AMPTP has no intention of settling this as long as it means they have to give up anything. They will only strike a deal that fucks the writers.
The AMPTP is intent on breaking the Hollywood unions.
And they’ve got their little force majeure party coming up Monday.
The only thing that is hard to understand is why it’s taken them this long to say they won’t actually negotiate the issues. The WGA has made it clear from the outset that we must make headway on these key points. Did they think we were bluffing? Gah.
I thought these negotiations weren’t going well. And then today, the AMPTP makes a huge concession we’ve been trying to get for years!
The AMPTP said:
“Your Animation proposal, W-14, is likewise unacceptable. As you know, there is another union which has long had jurisdiction over the work you are now seeking to cover by your proposal. We believe that it should be up to the writers in this field, using the procedures carefully established by Congress in the 1940s – in the same legislative act that validates the very existence of Writers Guild of America, East and West – to express their desire as to whether they wish to be represented by the WGA or that other union. ”
Correct me if I’m wrong, but the AMPTP has just said they “believe it should be up to the writers in this field (animation)… to express their desire as to whether they wish to be represented by the WGA or that other union.”
You mean the other union that offers no residuals? Even if your movies make hundreds of millions of dollars at the box office? (I speak from experience.)
The one you are forced to join when you write any animation at all? (Unless you’re working on one of the prime-time animated series that are actually covered by the WGA and do pay residuals and health, etc, because the writers all signed WGA cards and voted to strike in 1998. Again, I speak from experience.)
The one you are forced to join when you get an animation gig, even if you are already member of the WGA.
Like most all IATSE animation writers, I was forced, under threat of de-jobification, to join” that other union.” If the producers now are gractiously going to give me a choice, well… (dramatic pause)…
I chose to the WGA.
Come on, Animation Writers… who else is with me?
Let’s get this vote tallied, asap.
I wish the language in this AMPTP response were not so divisive and demeaning. How can you foster an environment of discussion by using that kind of language? Certainly we’re not dealing with diplomats here, are we. And the AMPTP sure likes to both publicly and behind closed doors create fear — the last couple of days of rhetoric have no other purpose than to instill fear (a negotiating tactic).
In any case, what the WGA would be wise to do is to simply continue the haggling so that the ball is always back in AMPTP’s court. Have the WGA show up tomorrow with a counter offer, whether or not the AMPTP shows up — this keeps the WGA on the offensive and does not play into the fear mongering of the AMPTP. The AMPTP is full of bullies, and bullies always create an atmosphere of threats and fear to get their way.
Finally, I’m not an expert in what should or should not be taken off the table at this point. However, I’ll add my two cents that the first point I see that could be part of a haggling would be for the WGA to accept a no-strike clause for the W-22 mentioned. SAG has a no-strike clause, and it isn’t killing anybody.
It seems to me that things are now far worse than when they began. And it seems to be mostly the writers’ fault.
This is not to say that the writers’ don’t deserve more residuals, and payment for streaming and EST’s. They probably should get more than the companies are giving. These seemed to be the initial issues, and the writers seemed to be in the right.
But now, the WGA wants a massive expansion of their union into the rest of the TV industry (no surprise, just as it is no surprise the companies are completely opposed to it). Perhaps this is just a negotiating tactic, so that when the WGA “gives in” on reality TV, then the companies will give in on New Media. But even if the WGA does give in, it would only be going back to where it was before it widened the gap.
On the other hand, if these “ultimatum’ed” proposals are things the WGA is going to fight for, the prospects of the strike being resolved any time soon now look to be far worse than they did just 3 day ago.
The animation and reality stuff are corporate lies. Attempts to join the WGA and unionize in those fields result in mass firings (illegal under federal law, but yes, that happens). The corporation is trying to paint the WGA’s reality and animation proposals as taking away the rights of those writers.
In reality, those writers are prisoners who by some queer exceptions are basically excluded from the basic protections the WGA offers.
Everything else in there is entirely negotiable. I could certainly understand the AMPTP saying “We won’t do any deal with these in it,” but to completely stop all negotiations now is disingenuous at best and monstrously irresponsible at worst. Nothing about continuing to negotiate forces them to accept those aspects of the proposal.
Those are not a roadblock to a deal, those are an excuse for the AMPTP to stall. Does anyone really believe that if the AMPTP offered real movement on the internet issues that the WGA would keep the strike going over stuff like this? Frankly I doubt it. But the WGA would likewise be crazy to flatly give up on all these proposals (especially reality and animation) in exchange for nothing except a promise to continue negotiating. A real negotiation might say “We’ll give you X on internet downloads if you remove Y.”
This is hostage taking, pure and simple, and is obviously just a PR blitz. Shame on the AMPTP. Congress and the labor relations board should get involved. They’re not negotiating in good faith and in my opinion have already broken several federal laws when it comes to dealing with strikes and unions.
Doesn’t seem so unreasonable and evil when you actually can see what they’re demanding. C’mon, WGA, drop the nonsense proposals you know aren’t happening, get yourself a decent deal on new media (before the DGA does it for you) and get this thing over with.
This is the part where you writer conspiracy types call me a paid AMPTP shill.
So call an election. Let the “Reality Writers” vote. Is that too Trivial a solution? I suspect the WGA would sponsor such an election.
That would take this off the table.
A convenient excuse to walk, that’s all this is.
They are simply not ready to make a fair deal YET. By March 08, the Networks will have lost 300 Million in Ad Revenue according to Wall Street Analysts and their share prices will have been downgraded. 300 Million is twice the amount we asked for over three years. You tell me who is being myopic here. These guys are playing for the long haul, as are we. There is no other way to describe this short term self destructive behavior.
Keep in mind the AMPTP today rejected out of hand, our proposal on streaming.
From WGA
“The AMPTP came back to us with a proposal that included a total rejection of our proposal on Internet streaming of December 3rd.”
They left us hanging all week, then pulled this bullshit with a premeditated PR Assault. This was indeed an ultimatum. One they knew would be rejected so they could then use it as cover to stall, “divide and conquer” whatever is in their little playbook.
They are clearly using classic union busting tactics, one we are now tediously aware of.
Thing is, it won’t work this time. WGA Writers know what is at stake, their resolve is far stronger than some (Gavin) estimate, we are going to win.
Remember for every week that passes, the damage begins to weigh heavier on the AMPTP. Soon, by the end of March, their losses won’t look all that great to their sharholders and they will have to come clean and explain just what they are trying to accomplish.That weill be a fun new video to post on youtube.
This is all part of their first phase bullshit offer, by March we will see a more reasonable looking offer but it will still not be a fair deal. It won’t be until May or June that they might strike a fairly decent offer, by then the Companies/Networks will have lost over 500 Million in ad revenue and will be staring at losing in the billions…
So I say, let’s just hang gang, time will soon be on our side. Remember this is about our future and there is plenty of money to go around for everyone, and that includes the pittance we are asking for.
One other thing. Don’t want to be uncool to our SAG Brothers and Sisters here, but a lot of this could have been avoided, or mitigated, if our Contract expirations coincided… know what I mean? Melissa, ain’t blaming you here doll, just saying, “Have we learned anything?”
Maybe now the WGA should have reality and animation writers come forward and talk about what happens to them when they start thinking of unionizing…
Revenues from new media and union jurisdiction are separate issues. There’s no reason the revenue issue can’t be settled before the jurisdiction proposal is accepted, modified or rejected. Instead, the WGA reps are being asked to give something up before they are even allowed to discuss something different. Bryan Lourde has been great, but after the DVD mess, when an issue was taken out of consideration in exchange for a promise to negotiate other matters, (which led to no progress), why would any sane person “trust” the AMPTP? Why, exactly, can’t the AMPTP discuss revenue and refuse to discuss jurisdiction until revenue is settled? If the revenue deal were satisfactory to everyone, the negotiations on other matters might be smoother, and both groups might be willing to give a little more than they would now. This indeed looks like an ultimatum designed to justify a breakdown in talks.
Once again, to those blaming the writers saying “Just take these off the table, they’re not important!”:
You’re not getting it. Even if the writers made the most inappropriate proposal in history, demanding that every writer be made a studio exec, there’s nothing that says the studio has to stop negotiating (and the AMPTP basically did the equivalent of this when they proposed getting rid of residuals entirely). This is a completely artificial halt to the negotiations. It’s entirely unreasonable to expect the WGA to remove all those proposals in exchange for nothing. It’s a negotiation. The AMPTP has to give something to get something.
And that doesn’t mean they have to give in on any of those six proposals they so hate. The strike is all about new media, so let’s say they said “Okay, we’ll give you 0.66 instead of 0.36 for internet downloads, but only if you remove this and this” then that would be a legitimate negotiating tactic. This is just saying “Either you give up right now or we’re leaving for three months.” This is absolutely a pre-meditated move by the AMPTP predicted by everyone for a week now. They want to make the writers sweat, so they came in with a ridiculous ultimatum and once again didn’t sweeten the deal with anything. The writers will probably not get any of those six proposals, but to give them up now in exchange for nothing, in exchange for essentially a vile threat from the studios, is not a negotiation. It’s a hostage situation.
While this is fucked up, the AMPTP is fucked up, and I’d be all for dragging their lying asses into a court right now, (Screw a judge, let the general public have at them), I do think the WGA cursed itself by adding reality, animation, etc. to the table. I can understand, but those weren’t your original goals, and when you added them, you either gave the AMPTP the chance they were looking for to walk out or took the tiny break in their pig-headedness and closed it right back up again. Note: I am NOT blaming the writers for what happened. The AMPTP walked out, and they’re the assholes, pure and simple. But I think both sides did play some part in the actions leading up to it. It’s pretty obvious we’re playing with heartless bastards. I just think a wrong move may have been made.
So what now? Force. I want to watch the remaining new epidoes of the few shows I watch, but after that, I will watch nothing. I just sent off a box of pencils. Write. Get politicians involved. Bombard the studios indiividually, starting with those who have the most to lose. Get their false promises and proof of their misrepresentation to every media outlet that’s willing to listen. Strike at their homes, walk up to them and directly ask the questions you know they can’t answer. I wonder what Michael Moore is doing right now…
One thing. I do think the reality/animation things should be taken off. I’m not trying to degrade these people at all, I’m just saying it’s not the actual goal that was given in the first place, and if the WGA wants to show how serious it is about wanting to stay in these talks, they should go back to what they had originally. Sit there with that proposal that was reasonable from the start and show that it is and always has been the other side that won’t talk.
this settles it for me. they’re evil. They’re greedy evil bastards who have no intention of settling with us. Period. They know we won’t hang on to reality (not that THAT’S fair…). They don’t care.
And the AMPTP should not even be legally able to collective bargain. This is one of the worst examples of anti-trust possible.
These greedy, unethical bastards want to take away residuals as we know them in exchange for 250 bucks. They want to destroy our union and the unions of our colleages. Shameful. But in the end, without writers, they have nothing to sell. Remember the strike that won us residuals, AMPTP? It lasted A YEAR.
This is bigger than that.
They want a war?
They’ve got one.
We have to start island hopping, the way that the Allies defeated Japan in WWII.
We pick the meanest, most spiteful studio/network and give them one final ultimatum: settle with us separately or forever be blackballed by the WGA. No writer or showrunner will ever be allowed to work there again. Not until the studio begs for our forgiveness. Then we work on the next and the next.
At the same time,make an outstanding offer to one of the other studios, something that they CANNOT turn down and face their shareholders. This will sew internal strife in the ranks of the AMPTP as the moguls will have to explain to shareholders why they are threatening the future of an expensive corporate asset.
AND push for congressional hearings AND siege one of the studios at a time with much larger, continuous and TOTAL picketing, hoping to block off the very life of the facility AND put up pickets around Disneyland and if necessary, take the fight to executives homes.
There are many nasty things we can do. Don’t tell me that will anger the AMTP. These people have absolutely no respect for us anyway, so we have nothing to lose.
The time for polite discourse is over.
Oh, and there should be, like Jim Webb was doing over the Thanksgiving break in Washington, a WGA member sitting at that negotiating table day and night. Time for Mr. Wordsmith to go to Washington.
Christ, am I pissed at these swine.
Time to start the WGA Christmas DVD Boycott and it goes for as long as the studios don’t negotiate!
Your presentation on December 5th of an added piece to the Reality Program proposal only widened the gap between us. Your proposal sought to bind the networks, who do not even sit at this bargaining table, to a contractual provision which prohibits them from doing business with those who do not offer the same pension and health provisions as set forth in the MBA. Surely you knew that even if any of us had the authority to make such a commitment, the idea of forcing the networks not to do business with a certain category of producers would be wholly unacceptable to us.
Wait. What?
Your proposal sought to bind the networks, who do not even sit at this bargaining table…
Is there an aspect of this quote I’m not getting?
Aren’t CBS, NBC, et al being represented by the AMPTP?
If not, then who the hell is Les Moonves (besides an adulterer & a failed actor) or Jeff Zucker (who’s just a failure) in all of this?
There are so many holes in these arguments I think it’s time to investigate other holes in the networks/studios dealings. I’ve contacted my congressman and requested an investigation into what can the AMPTP really afford to pay us, not the contradictory numbers we receive and the shareholders are given. These criminals must be stopped before all corporations decide to force majeure America into Mexico. Time to call the cops.
Just popping back in to say anotherWGAmember’s idea is way better than any of mine. Let’s do that and let’s do it now.
Jack24,
If I tell you for three years that I am going to do something and then I actually do it, are you really upset? Or are you just looking for an excuse to get mad and walk away.
Reality was always going to be brought up. Not to do so would be a slap in the face to all those who we have been attempting to organize for so long. They are human beings, they have been promised a fight and our leaders are carrying out their promise. Will it happen? Doubtful. Is it enough for a seasoned businessman to throw a child like tantrum over and leave? Nope.
During the first week of talks the AMPTP went through back channels and said, “take DVDS off the table and we will move on internet streaming.” We did and they told us to go screw ourselves on streaming.
That is what is called setting up a pattern of distrust. The AMPTP made this bed by acting like bullies. They now have to undo the damage, make a concession and we can get back to negotiating. That is what it is called by the way, it is not called, “Give up everything you want.”
The AMPTP has handled this negotiation like amateurs, no matter how they try to paint it.
Wow… I’m literally speechless. I….Holy Cow…I’m so angry…from a “business” presentation. The WGA and everyone else has been so reasonable, and the AMPTP…. ARGH!
And I’m only a TV viewer. I can’t imagine what the writers or other workers in Hollywood are feeling.
I can’t even be coherent at the moment…I..just..nmmmrrr..
Congress. Hearings. Now.
Enron-like Studio Accounting practices. Draconian Collusion between conglomerates to set labor price. Vertical Integration = Monopolies. Can you imagine FORD, GM, and CHRYSLER being allowed to band together and collectively dictate terms to the UAW?
IT NEEDS TO END NOW.
Congress. Hearings. Now. Start calling Pelosi. There is a reason these guys don’t want any provision in this new contract that forces them to open their books. That reason is called PRISON.
Caitlin – just so you know, the expanded jurisdiction proposals were always part of the negotiation. They’d been tabled until some progress was made on residuals/new media. When the AMPTP said they were working on their media proposal for several days, the jurisdiction stuff came to the table instead of everybody just sitting around wasting time. So this didn’t come out of nowhere. The wording of the AMPTP “offer” Nikki posts here shows that union busting is the real goal. Though I gotta say, how can they refuse to make this a “union town” and then suggest that animation and reality writers be able to choose whether or not they join the union? Where’s the disagreement there? Isn’t that all we’re asking for?
Caitlin — Reality and animation were not tacked on later. They have always been part of WGA proposals. Always.
hmmmm — I won’t call you a paid AMPTP shill, but I will point out to you that A) offering health and pension to reality and animation writers is not nonsense and B) they aren’t OFFERING a decent deal for new media. Would you have us remove our animation and reality demands before they give us anything in return? Yeah, no thanks. They will take and take until we have nothing left. They’ve offered us $250. They can go fuck themselves with that. It’s beyond insulting.