I’ve been given a copy of the presentation made to the WGA negotiating team today by Carol Lombardini, AMPTP’s exec vice president for business and legal affairs. (Be sure to see my 3RD UPDATE of TALKS DAY #8 for detail and background):
AMPTP STATEMENT DURING WGA NEGOTIATIONS
Held on December 7, 2007
The second group of proposals listed under the topic “Rejections” represents those proposals that are an absolute roadblock to any further progress in these negotiations. We have had some frank discussion with you about some of these proposals over the past three days. Unfortunately, these discussions have only reinforced our conviction as to how far apart the parties remain. These proposals are completely unacceptable in their present form, or in any altered form. They include:W-12 a), your Fair Market Value proposal. We remain steadfast in our conviction that fair market value should be determined by the marketplace itself, not by a third party. The notion of appointing an arbitrator or developing a legal system to ascertain monetary values in our business is utterly unacceptable.
Your Reality Program proposals, W-13 a) and b), are a clever disguise to what amounts to a top-down union organizing campaign. And those proposals, by applying the terms and conditions of the MBA to reality programs, render those companies already signatory to your Agreement unable to compete in the development and production of this type of programming.
Your presentation on December 5th of an added piece to the Reality Program proposal only widened the gap between us. Your proposal sought to bind the networks, who do not even sit at this bargaining table, to a contractual provision which prohibits them from doing business with those who do not offer the same pension and health provisions as set forth in the MBA. Surely you knew that even if any of us had the authority to make such a commitment, the idea of forcing the networks not to do business with a certain category of producers would be wholly unacceptable to us.
Your Animation proposal, W-14, is likewise unacceptable. As you know, there is another union which has long had jurisdiction over the work you are now seeking to cover by your proposal. We believe that it should be up to the writers in this field, using the procedures carefully established by Congress in the 1940s – in the same legislative act that validates the very existence of Writers Guild of America, East and West – to express their desire as to whether they wish to be represented by the WGA or that other union. It is not for us as Companies to usurp the secret ballot democratic election process established by the National Labor Relations Act by agreeing to another top-down union organization proposal.
Your Industry Standards proposal, W-15 a) – the simple statement here is that we will not allow a provision in a labor agreement to dictate those with whom we can do business. Your Sympathy Strike proposal, W-22, asks us to allow you to strike because of the existence of a labor dispute with another group. We cannot entertain that principle. The bargain we strike must include an ironclad pledge of labor peace for the term we agree upon. No exceptions will be entertained.
Lastly, we cannot agree to any new residual formula based upon the concept of “Distributor’s Gross.” That is, any residual formula that requires payment to be made based upon the receipts of an entity other than the signatory Company is unacceptable to us. Our agreement to share revenues with you must be limited to those revenues actually received by the signatory Company.
Your determination to continue to pursue these initiatives prevents us from making any movement in any other area. Therefore, unless you advise us immediately that these proposals are withdrawn, we see no purpose in continuing these talks.
Editor-in-Chief Nikki Finke - tip her here.







Guild writers,
Others have suggested this in other threads, and I’m echoing it:
Set up a table in front of the AMPTP HQ and post big signs demanding they “come back to the table.” Then have a rotating group of writers assigned to sit there all morning and afternoon through the holidays.
Except make it big and dramatic and inclusive of everyone affected by the strike. IATSE and other non-unionized BTL workers could join in. Fans could join in. Write and film some “episodes” about the long table wait, starring our SAG friends. Maybe they could play famous Christmas characters… Santa comes begging the moguls for cookies and milk? Charlie Brown arrives with his straggly little Christmas tree in tow? The Grinch shows up and pals it up with Scrooge? These are silly examples, but you can come up with something good! And air them on youtube like the “speechless” vids. Get the press to cover it as much as possible.
Make it real freaking obvious who’s walked away. Don’t let the AMPTP spin this anymore.
Just for the record, the AMPTP walked away. Therefore the “This seems to be the WGA’s fault” comment is… wrong. Whether you call what the WGA did a negotiating tactic or not, the WGA is NEGOTIATING. Once again, the AMPTP(), otherwise known as the AGREGIOUS MANIPULATIVE PERNICIOUS TROOP of PIMPKINS (WHO WANT TO GO ON VACATION EARLY) walked away from the table. Not the Writers Guild of America.
They walked away, not the WGA, Jack24. AMPTP stands for Agregious Manipulative Pernicious Troop of Pimptons (also guys who want to go away early and don’t care if people lose their houses because they aren’t human).
Maybe if the AMPTP had gotten us the supposed second half of their proposal in any sort of timely fashion, and hadn’t left our side sitting around twiddling thumbs the issues regarding reality tv and animation wouldn’t have even come up. If they aren’t going to negotiate what we came to the table to talk about in the first place, well…we gotta try to negotiate something.
And people wonder why the Israelis and the Palestinians can never get it together. Jeez…
Right now would be the perfect time. No Studio would be illegally firing writers when there are no replacements to be hired.
The AMPTP is full of shit with regards to the Fair Market Value proposal. The “marketplace” that would be determining the value is their own vertically integrated conglomerate.
Interesting quote though: “The notion of … developing a legal system to ascertain monetary values in our business is utterly unacceptable.”
Interestingly enough, a legal system to ascertain monetary values has been developed. It’s called the U.S. legal system. Both Alan Alda and David Duchovny have taken 20th Century Fox to court over this very issue and both won settlements. Is that really the way they want to determine Fair Market Value?
The AMPTP are greedy assholes. The WGA leadership is comprised of well-meaning but stupid pseudo-revolutionaries who are in way over their heads. Why can’t they all please just shut the fuck up and make a decent deal so we all can get back to work? What a tragedy. Jesus.
“And I’m only a TV viewer. I can’t imagine what the writers or other workers in Hollywood are feeling.”
It is the slow motion (well, fast now) destruction of everything I have worked towards – a loved career, a modest home we designed and built, my kids’ extra activities and decent education. It is the feeling that optimistic American ideals of hard work and building a decent life have given way to unchecked greed that steamrolls over good people no matter what they contribute. The feeling that being moral, honest, and dedicated are no longer qualities that will pay dividends in the long run as large, non-human conglomerates will destroy you at their whim. I have contributed to telling the great stories of these writers for the profit of the companies and I am close to ruined for nothing more than picking (in hindsight) the wrong vocation.
I think it would be interesting and perhaps valuablefor the WGA to make a special deal with The Daily Show and The Colbert Report, a temporary deal to be modified later when the strike is inevitably resolved.
Why these shows? Because of their high social value and to create dissent, jealousy and weakness in the AMPTP Syndicate and to use their platform to apply pressure with humor, satire and facts. Maybe Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert could speed this whole thing up with their audience’s support.
I can’t believe the AMPTP… which basically means, I can’t believe Disney, Warner Bros, CBS, GE, etc. Are we still living in America? Then why are these companies trying to treat us like some Eastern Bloc factory worker.
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Aren’t CBS, NBC, et al being represented by the AMPTP?
If not, then who the hell is Les Moonves (besides an adulterer & a failed actor) or Jeff Zucker (who’s just a failure) in all of this?
It’s complicated, but technically, no the AMPTP does not represent the networks. They represent the production entities affiliated with the networks. But Moonves and Zucker oversee those production divisions as well. On the narrow legal issue of whether the WGA can make a legally unassailable deal about whether the networks could do business with a non-signatory in an area that isn’t fully covered, I think the AMPTP might actually be correct, but that doesn’t excuse the ultimatums and ingenuine tactcs.
They call them viewing “habits” for a reason and I don’t think the market can withstand a long strike. The WGA strike of the 80’s happened at a time when people didn’t have a lot of entertainment options and I remember that the public followed it very closely. I sense people outside the industry don’t care that much about this strike and many will go to the internet or other entertainment options and never come back. I know I’m not the first to say this, but I haven’t seen anyone bring this up for a while. It’s called killing the golden goose. It’ll go the way radio did after TV invaded. The fact that you are reading this on the internet proves it.
I think the moguls will try to have their cake and eat it too. I expect some kind of new proposal within days after force majeure hits in efforts to save pilot season. I don’t know how big a window that is but both sides have to know it’s there.
why does the WGA continue to expect good faith negotiations from the AMPTP?
wake up, people.
the AMPTP wants to rebuild their business model.
first step in rebuilding is demolition.
it has only begun.
Leave us out of it!
Please understand that:
1)Reality Writers are NOT “prisoners who by some queer exemptions are basically excluded from basic protections the WGA offers”. I attended the big recruitment meeting a couple of years ago along with fellow editors and story producers in Reality and, like many others, I was NOT INTERESTED IN THE SLIGHTEST. The WGA gave us the opportunity to join up with them and We said, “NO THANKS!”. LEAVE US OUT OF IT.
2)As a Reality Editor, I did not need: Overtime and credit guarantees (most editors already receive these), Health Insurance (Yeah, I make so much I can buy health insurance for ME AND YOU), a Pension (?! How 1950’s! (No thanks)), and, oh yeah, they (the WGA leadership) told us that they wanted to make sure if the WGA went on strike, Reality Programming would not be an option for the AMPTP. Nice try… (Thankfully, I am currently employed now). As for residuals, I don’t need them (I get paid an assload to do what I do), but from reading Nikki’s site you guys do – so I hope you get ‘em for the internet too!
3)FYI – a big problem you guys (WGA) are having with unionizing reality TV is that the writing is spread (unequally) between Story Producers and Reality Editors. In most cases the Reality Editors are the major story-telling force. At the very least, a Reality Show CANNOT BE MADE WITHOUT THE EDITOR. However, the employees in need of your “protection” are the producers, both story and field. They are not paid much, they are occasionally abused, get weird titles etc. Um, but, if you ask me, that’s because they aren’t essential to the final product. This was proven most effectively when the America’s Next Top Model Story Producer’s were convinced to STRIKE, and the show simply decided to continue “writing” with the Reality Editors. And ya can’t get the Reality Editor’s to unionize with you b/c they are compensated extremely well, get overtime, proper credit etc. It’s like the worker’s who need you (story producers) are not needed and the workers who are needed by you (reality editors) do not need you.
I am PRO-WRITER and am rooting for you guys. Come back soon! And with a good deal! The AMPTP is an evil, heatless beast. Good luck bargaining with that thing!
The WGA needs to be counter-intuitive (no pun intended).
If Nikki is right and the AMPTP playbook is to: deal with DGA, undercutting the writers; invoke force majeure; sit back and wait for economic factors to compel writers to scab/go fi-core, then the WGA leadership needs to do whatever it can to frustrate that plan.
Nothing it can do with DGA – up to that union what happens. But could it frustrate force majeure i.e. pause the strike temporarily to write a couple of episodes, then strike again? It would mess up the tv cycle, but would keep the shows active.
But whatever the case, Counter and the AMPTP’s plan is to break the writers’ guild, forcing them to accept sub-standard terms and continuing to treat them like second class citizens. This must not happen and Verrone and Young now need to ensure that the writers are geared up for the long haul – probably for most of 2008; it’s only when the movie slate for 2009 is threatened is when the studios will begin to feel the pain.
If the majority of IATSE members hate Short as some suggest, then use whatever opportunity you can to destabilise his leadership as he will be on the front line in the PR war.
Check out tvguide.com – its coverage is worse than Variety’s; it only mentions the AMPTP release, not the WGA.
Such bullcrap. The AMPTP believes writers for reality and animation should have a choice? Just ask the America’s Next Top Model writers who sought to be covered by the WGA and got fired for it. Or the Nickelodeon writers who asked to be represented by the WGA–and got fired for it.
It’s sad to me that some people believe fair compensation for these writers isn’t important enough to fight for. Sure, you’ll have your better deal for “new media”. And writers for animation and reality will still be forced into deals where they don’t get residuals, health insurance, or paid for overtime.
How are those not “real issues”?
THEY THINK WE ARE NOTHING. WE HAVE TO BREAK THEM. THEY ARE SCHOOL YARD BULLIES. THEY CAN’T CONCEIVE OF THEIR OWN DESTRUCTION. THEY THINK IT’S EASY TO MAKE MOVIES. THESE GUYS DON’T KNOW HOW TO MAKE ENTERTAINMENT. THEY KNOW HOW TO SELL IT.
IF SOMEONE WITH SOME MONEY WOULD START THEIR OWN PRODUCTION COMPANY, NEGOTIATE THEIR OWN DEALS WITH THE WGA, THEN THEY WOULOD HAVE A CORNER ON TALENT. THESE PRODUCERS CAN MAKE A KILLING WHILE GIVING US EVERYTHING WE WANT TIMES 20. THEY JUST WANT TO PUT US IN OUR PLACE. WE HAVE THE POWER. THEY CAN’T MAKE MOVIES WITHOUT US. WE CAN BURY THEM EVERY WEEKEND. SO WE’LL SHOOT DIGITAL.
A LINE MUST BE DRAWN OR ELSE WE ARE ALL FINISHED.
May I make a suggestion? I hope to be in the WGA when this strike ends so this is my two cents. Don’t waste your breath on AMPTP. The only avenue is political & legal. You will get NO help on the national stage as the FCC is bought and paid for and the wait for a new administation is unacceptable. It’s past time to take their accounting practices to the legislature, California Labor Board, CALPERS and any other agency in your state that can look into their union busting activities and their conflicting statements to stockholders. I do not know the requirements for a class action, but I would leave no stone unturned until I found SOMEONE who could look into the books.
Stand strong mighty writers, but it’s time for the lawyers & the lobbyists.
Negotiate with Sony. They don’t have a distribution arm like the other studios. They’re content providers and are going to be hurt the most. Give them a sweetheart deal that they can’t turn down.
There are two ideas here that make sense — Congressional hearings and picking one company and offering them a take it or be annihilated proposal. Might not work, but at least it’ll work better than complaining that they’re mean and that life’s unfair. This is a kind of war, so forget what you deserve, and focus on what you can get and how. In my view, pickets don’t do anything. Speechless videos don’t do anything. Got to target the things that matter to them, not to us, and if those can’t be done, punt until the next contract. I was perfectly happy with what I was making, and I’d be happy to be making that now, but if you all want to fight, fight smart.
Point of information: I want writers to get payment for all modes of internet delivery.
The AMPTP has one goal: reduce cost. That’s it. All the companies involved share it. You may call them ugly, greedy, capitalist pigs – however true that may be, their objectives are plain and simple.
The WGA has too many objectives here, some emotional, that are getting in the way of what should be their single objective: raising revenues for writers.
Congress ain’t getting involved, folks – Big media’s books are already reviewed by the SEC and the ‘opacity’ of movie accounting isn’t really all that confusing if you read Harold Vogel or anyone else in the film section of the UCLA/USC bookstore. Smoke, but no fire.
Kevin Martin call hearings on media consolidation? And monkeys might fly out of my butt. (Thank a writer when you can…)
It’s morning in america, folks – 30 years of Reagan, Bush, and crappy Democrats who sound liberal but are in bed with the same lawyers and corporations as the Bushies. This is the world we live in.
I admire the resolve of the WGA…but their tactics are poor. They would have had more leverage if they had kept working and struck in 6 months with the actors.
For those who expect Google to ride in like a white knight…god help you. 5% residuals on nothing won’t feed your family. Would you like to put your standard of living on the hope that enough people click on a button somewhere?
Have you seen what the margins are on iTunes? Trust me, Steve Jobs makes the AMPTP look like the Girl Scouts. Ask some of the original employees of Pixar about Steve ‘steal my stock-legally but very questionable’ Jobs’ behavior.
The studios are the only concrete source of revenue for the writers…and the WGA handed the AMPTP the force majeure stick and asked to be beaten with it. And at holiday time, no less…makes me sad…
To my fellow writers and all others this strike is affecting, let go of the hope. Prepare yourselves emotionally and financially for this strike to continue for at least ten more months. Take other jobs, take out equity in your homes, rent a room out in your apartment, sell your extra car, babysit, mow lawns, eat Ramen, sell crap on ebay or craigslist… prepare yourselves. If we are not ready to suffer in the short term, we will absolutely suffer forever after. If we cave now, they will absolutely go after our base fees, pension and healthcare next time around. There is a great article on the Forbes website on how if we don’t win this now – our union is broken. And if they break us, they’re going to do it to every union out there – including you IATSE and DGA. You are not immune to the brutal, unmerciful, pillaging corporate machine. Finally, if you are getting angry at Nick Counter, then you are helping him succeed in doing his job. That is his goal. He wants us to be worn out emotionally so we will cave. If you want to win this, spend your energy preparing yourselves for a long, long, long strike.
The AMPTP did us a favor. It was never going to be about this other stuff. Get us a raise on dvd and get us protected on new media and GTFO!
Can someone answer a question for me, and I’m genuinely curious… If we’re fighting so hard for jurisdiction over reality and lobbying to have reality writers as members of the guild, why are these people still going to work for the studios and networks who plan to program much more of the stuff as the strike drags on. Shouldn’t all of you reality writers be walking off the job now? How bad do you want to be covered by the WGA. Seems to me that if you all walked, there would be absolutely no programming for the moguls to offer. That would really force their hand and show to the rest of teh WGA just how serious you are.
And standard WGA punishment for writers who continue to work during a strike would apply: No membership or benefits ever. Am I missing the obvious here? Maybe I am, but I’d love to have someone articulate it for me.