Patrick, you and I are longtime pals. We like each other personally. But professionally we usually find ourselves on the opposite sides of the Hollywood spectrum. You rarely write about a mogul or exec you don’t like. I rarely write about a mogul or exec I like. You think the movie business is about art. I think the movie business is about money. Usually, we coexist peacefully. But not this week. Not after that venomous screed you wrote in the Los Angeles Times yesterday berating Patric Verrone as if he’s to blame for all the ups and downs of the pre-strike and post-strike negotiations when certain moguls showed themselves to be lying scum only pretending to bargain in order to embarrass the WGA leadership in the eyes of members (a ploy which didn’t work). Have you not been reading what I’ve written these many months? Have you not been doing your own reporting? Or do you just transcribe what the CEOs tell you? Yes, I know that, as a former music writer, the Grammys are important to you. But to have that one issue color your thinking to such a degree that you can only see the DGA deal through rose-colored glasses is a sell-out to writers who have spent months striking to expand their residual system to New Media so future generations can benefit. This is their fight. Not yours. Not mine.
Worse, you have the effrontery to compare Verrone to Yasser Arafat. On what planet? I’ve actually covered world issues as a foreign correspondent for AP and Washington correspondent for Newsweek as well as reported on labor issues around the world, and I would never dream of comparing Hollywood strike talks to Mideast negotiations. Your journalism background is showbiz. Do you really feel qualified to express such an uninformed international affairs opinion as that?
I also find it incomprehensible why you are pushing the WGA to accept the DGA deal on the grounds that it’s a “good” deal. Good for whom? These are two different guilds with two different agendas. What might be right for one could also be wrong for the other, as it is in this case. Tonight, I’ll opine about the DGA deal and how Verrone et al might use it as a basis for a quick settlement. But the reality is that’s possible if, and only if, the moguls will stop punishing the scribes for striking in the first place. You are wrong to even suggest that in this struggle the WGA is bullying. That’s the well-documented tactic of the Big Media corporations. So don’t blame one side without trashing the other, too. You and I are veteran journalists: we both know facts are more important than opinion. Stop shilling.
Editor-in-Chief Nikki Finke - tip her here.


You have guts and you tell the truth. I’m impressed.
Thanks.
Anti-unionism flows in the blood and DNA of the Los Angeles Times. (Check your history books.) It did, well before its acquisition by the really anti-union Tribune company a few years ago, and it still does.
Goldstein is just another management apologist caring more for the approbation his chilly bosses than he does for the tenets of real journalism. But let’s be honest: “L.A. Times media critic” (or whatever his self-reflexive and self-important title is) is hardly in the same pantheon as the work of David Halberstam, Izzy Stone or Nelly Bly, now is it?
Goddamn right, Nikki.
Well said.
–A WGA writer who thinks the DGA deal is crap.
Nikki, really, I agree with the “shut the fuck up” post. Are you serious? I hope you have the balls to post this…because the reality is this:
1) The WGA fucked up. Big time. I have said it over and over and over again to the WGA writers…Do what the AMPTP says and take the Reality and Animation issues off the table. Funny, NOW they are doing it.
2) NOW they are doing it so that Pat Verrone, who was unqualified, a bully and a liar can save some face. It took the DGA to get a good deal. The WGA couldn’t do anything but this militant “we don’t care how many people starve and are out of work” stance and watch the business fail in ways it may never come back. The arrogance, lack of dignity or class shown by the WGA has embittered 100% of the non-WGA town. And I would imagine it’s pissed off AT LEAST 50% of the WGA members.
3) We are in the SAME position we would have been in MONTHS AGO. What kind of fucking idiots are you? And you Nikki should be ASHAMED. THE AMPTP SAID THEY WOULD TALK IF THE WGA WOULD TAKE SOME STUFF OFF THE TABLE. WHY IN GOD’S NAME DIDN’T THEY TAKE IT OFF BEFORE AND SPARE SOME PEOPLE’S PAIN? Months ago, people wouldn’t have sold their homes, quit the business and moved out of state. But Pat and his tiny dick just WOULD NOT call the AMPTP and say “okay, these issues are off the table, let’s keep talking.”
I don’t know WHAT THE FUCK the WGA thinks they won. Other than sucking off the clout and class of the DGA. Please Nikki. Get a grip. we all know you are not objective and you should have merged with Unitedhollywood.com. Period. But let’s just call this as what it was. ONE BIG HUGE CLUSTERFUCK BY THE DELUDED MORONS RUNNING THE WGA. That’s all this was and the business will be changed forever by it.
Signed,
The WGA Makes Me Puke
I really think you’re being too hard on Mr. Goldstein. One can scarcely blame a puppet for saying what the hand up its ass makes it say.
The last time I checked this was not a lockout by the Producers but a walkout by the writers. There’s a lot of people not able to pay next month’s bills while an elite few haggle over money so they can make a whole year’s salary in half the time…or less. This strike should have been a last resort instead of a crafty strategy. The DGA didn’t have to strike to get a deal. It’s sad that so many people are losing their jobs while the WGA mouthpieces get their On the Job Training.
I posted on a different thread that I thought you were premature in calling the DGA deal “shitty” and I still do BUT thank goodness you’re around to counter the revolting anti-union propaganda of the LA Times, NY Times, Variety and Reporter. I think they must hate you because they once could have defined the story re: the current strike and now there is a place to go to get something other than the corporate line. At least when you editorialize, you’re clear that’s what you’re doing. These other corporate newsletters are passing off their idiocy as news. Maybe you abuse a term like ‘shitty’ about a deal whose details are still not public but you don’t liken the WGA to a terrorist organization. You don’t blindly support this AMPTP attempt to redirect people’s attention from their bullying behavior to Verrone. You don’t manufacture some group of people “on the verge of going Fi-Core” without any evidence whatever. When I read Goldstein’s utter nonsense (doubly so since the WGA gave the Grammys a pass) I realize what a service you perform. Keep it up. And keep posting!
Nikki, glad to have you back and hope you are feeling better.
Don’t listen to those idiots and shills who are telling you to shut up. They’re mad that with you around, we don’t fall for their crap.
As for the LA Times article, I didn’t read because I’ve cancelled my subscription. Of course, they’ve been hounding me to come back, so last time I took the call and told them exactly why I cancelled it. The guy had the nerve to try to tell me they are writer friendly in this debate. Next time, I’ll have a specific name and article to remind them about.
Well, “write” or “right” I think Goldstein’s letter was read. The WGA is NOT going to picket the Grammys.
That lazy, corporate piece of ass-kissery in the Times today was just another reminder of why I cancelled my subscription long ago.
What really annoys me the most is that people on both sides are jumping to all these conclusions. The biggest conclusion is that the studios are going to force this deal (the one we don’t even have the final version of) on the WGA (which may or may not happen) and the other is that WGA would accept that deal (which may or may not happen). Writers, get a freakin’ grip! I’m sure that if the guild is unified, Veronne & Co. won’t take the deal if the deal isn’t one the guild would accept. The truth is that the studios got their cake (to negotiate with the DGA first) and are probably willing to give a bit more to the writers now. You’re not going to get everything you wanted but you’ll get something better than the DGA deal. All I am saying is please be patient and chill until we know more. When we do, comment away. Until then this site and all others who analyze one way or another are just tabloids.
Nikki, it’s been fun but it’s time for you (and others like Goldstein) to stop fanning the flames. PLEEEEASE!
…can’t we just patiently wait and see?
I think you guys are seriously off base here.
You can disagree with Goldstein over his take of who’s not negotiating with who (AMPTP vs. WGA) but the bulk of his piece today was on the money. He was simply making a case of not “punishing” the Grammys with a picket, and made solid points of how allowinig the Grammys to go forward isn’t at odds with the WGA’s goals (which may very well include “punishing” CBS at every possible opportunity).
And the Arafat-based quote was merely illustrative, and barely allegorical (to these eyes). I mean, do you people seriously think that he’s equating the WGA to the PLO, in the sense that both are outlaw terrorist organizations? Yeesh! I know things are tense, but get a grip!
And I’m not being paid by the AMPTP, so don’t even start with that.
What a dick.
Goldstein’s column made me furious and sick to my stomach. Thank you, Nikki, for calling him out on his bias. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he wasn’t really comparing Verrone to Arafat but looking for a way to get that “miss an opportunity” quote in. But it’s not an opportunity for the WGA — it’s an opportunity for the AMPTP to get a DVD-like deal on the internet, and an opportunity for Gil Cates to put pressure on the WGA to settle before the Oscars.
I don’t believe it’s possible for Goldstein to be so uninformed as to think the WGA walked away from negotiations. I can only assume he’s being disingenuous to bolster his own flawed arguments.
“You and I are veteran journalists: we both know facts are more important than opinion. Stop shilling.”
classic. Mr. Pot meet Ms. Kettle, Ms. Kettle this is Mr. Pot.
This diagram is your friend: think —->speak(write) not the other way around. It’ll help you avoid embarrassing statements that could so clearly apply to you as well in the future.
Seriously… change the title to “The WGA presents – Deadline Hollywood Daily.”
I am amazed that you could call Patrick out after this morning’s inflammatory “That Shitty DGA Deal Is At Least A Start…” thread… followed up with a request for people to post intelligently about it. Pa-thetic.
The Article wasn’t nearly as bombastic as you claim – you just can’t stand anything that doesn’t support the writers 100% – it’s really sad.
I was so excited when I found your website – up to the minute updates – insider information – it’s sad to see it devolve into a pro-WGA propaganda site – with a mistress who’s become as whinny and self aggrandizing as the writer’s she champions!!
I suppose of course I could simply choose not to read it – but instead I think I will make it my mission to point out how one sided you’ve become.
PLEASE – do us all a favor and take another vacation so that MAYBE this deal can get done and we can all go back to work.
Ms. Finke–
Well hell. I will give credit where it is due. That is one powerful and courageous post. I have commented here before and I have drawn the ire of many writers for suggesting that this is a TV strike instead of a feature writer’s strike, but I am simply an outsider (ad biz) trying to call it like I see it. When I read that article this morning, I was appalled by the Arafat comparison. As you so correctly point out, Hollywood labor strife is NOTHING compared to the situation in Israel/Palestine. And Goldstein’s ill-advised attempt to draw a parallel revealed him to be what he truly is: a pathetic showbiz shill trying to justify his insecurities for his career choice and lame employer. Kudos to you for calling him on it.
I will wait to see if he has the gonads to respond. Especially after the writers took the high road and gave the Grammys a non-picketing pass today. I’m sure he’ll try to take credit for that.
As for a possible WGA deal… with reality/animation now out of the way (did anyone ever really believe the writers were serious about that?) it’s time for brass tacks and ironing out the only issue that seems to be dividing the parties: payment for streaming, or sell-throughs, or whatever they’re calling it. They’re basically $60 million dollars apart over three years if you look at the WGA’s own numbers posted earlier today. That’s $20 mill a year. Two sales at Sundance. One-sixth of a certain Yankee baseball player’s contract. $7 mill less than Les Moones’ annual salary.
Thousands are out of work. Get this thing wrapped up you boneheads!
On page 3 of Tuesday’s LA Times Business section a story runs regarding editor James E. O’Shea’s dismissal from the paper because of his fight against proposed cuts in the newsroom. It is a story of a man fighting for his convictions. On page 1 of Tuesday’s LA Times Calendar section a column runs in which Patrick Goldstein insults Patric Verrone. It is a story of a man kissing his corporate superiors asses.
damn, it’s good to have you back…
Imagine this. I used to respect Goldstein. How incredibly disappointed I was to read his column this morning. How happy I was to read Nikki’s response.
Nikki, I think you need a longer rest.
OK, so maybe Goldstein replaces Michael Ciepley (the idiot from the NYT who wrote that lame-ass hatchett job on Young and Verrone) as Troll of the Year.
Many Thanks, Nikki, for always calling like you see it.
A WGA Supporter
Wow. I’m in New York, having moved from LA ten years ago. I’m just amazed that this many people even still read the LA Times. What, then, do you wrap your fish in?
in fairness to goldstein, he had some pretty evenhanded, or even anti-studio, things to say earlier on, such as (and I’m paraphrasing) “it’s hard not to side with the writers in this, the studios need to think toward the future and boldly lock arms with those who will help them figure it out (writers, directors, actors), those who’ve done that in the past have been richly rewarded, etc.” (circa mid-november 2007). he was just probably trying to write a zippy readable piece for this week, so he decided to come down harder on verrone and the wga than usual.
Whatever the faults of Mr. Goldstein’s article, there are many of us suffering gravely out here who are glad he wants to prod the WGA. I had to leave a sitcom in production. Will that job still be there? Will the producers complete the season? Time is getting way too short.
Life is tough after three months without work. If the season doesn’t restart, I’ll be out over $40K, most of my yearly income, and will have lost my health care, my savings account, and a great deal of mental well being. My unemployment is almost up and I have NO residuals coming despite thirty years in the business (yes I understand that residuals help fund our health plan, but that doesn’t impress my landlord).
As I see the DGA deal, the producers gave ground on many items they refused to discuss with the WGA. Certainly, that seems like bad faith. The producers wanted the first pattern bargaining template to come from the directors. Is that kosher? I wonder how this will play before the NLRB? Is that case coming up anytime soon?
That aside, the door has been cracked open on new media. The use of distributor’s gross to calculate ad revenue, complete with open audits of the producer’s books is a real breakthrough. Please look at the half full glass. Significant progress has been made. Move ahead with all deliberate speed.