UPDATE! PART IV: NBC Rejects WGA’s Investigation Of Jay; SAG Urges Actors To Go On Dave & Craig
PART II: The Writers Guild Of America acknowledges that its meeting with Jay Leno took place on December 31st but has significantly different details from NBC’s account of the confab with the WGA West president and other guild members. (See my previous, PART I: NBC Claims Jay Asked For & Received WGA Permission To Write Monologue At Secret Monday Meeting With Verrone.) “No, Patric Verrone did not say ‘We’re going to look the other way,’ I don’t recall him ever saying anything that could be construed as giving Jay the OK to write a monologue,” the spokesperson designated by the WGA to talk to me because he was at the meeting told me tonight. “NBC is trying to stir things up. I think they want to take the focus off their own refusal to bargain in good faith. And instead of having people aware of the real dispute, which is between NBC and the WGA, they want to put Jay Leno in the middle.”
According to the guild’s version of events, the confab described by NBC wasn’t about Jay’s monologue. The union told me that Jay Leno requested the meeting with WGAW president Patric Verrone in the wake of the WGA making an interim agreement with David Letterman’s Worldwide Pants to bring back The Late Show with his writers. Since NBC owns The Tonight Show, Jay can’t make the same deal so he was coming back without his writers. ”The meeting was about his feeling that he was being mischaracterized as the bad guy for going back and doing the show. He wanted the guild to get the message out that he supported the writers. And we certainly agreed with that,” the insider told me.
Leno attended the meeting accompanied by his striking Tonight Show writers, “I think they came out of loyalty to Jay and hoping to see Jay’s concerns taken seriously by the guild and resolution found,” the source said.
“But it wasn’t until close to the end of the meeting, when we had gotten to the point where Jay understood our position was that we were not trying to make him look like a bad guy, that he said, “OK, I’m going to do the show, and I’m going to do my monologue.’ And what I think Patric said was, ‘You’re taking one for the team. And we understand that.’ ”
When I asked what was meant by “team”, the insider said, “For the guild.” And that was the end of the meeting.
But here’s what I can’t understand. Leno tells the WGA he’s going to do his monologue. And that doesn’t ring a bell for the guild members to ask him HOW he’s doing that monologue?
“In retrospect, it should have been clarified right then and there,” the WGA spokesperson admitted to me. “But the exchange came at the end of a long and difficult meeting and we were wrapping it up and it was one of the last exchanges in the meeting.”
It’s clear that, on Monday, the guild did not repeat the warning about “no monologues” which it had issued the day NBC announced that Leno and Conan O’Brien were going back on air. (See my previous, WGA Reminds Returning Jay And Conan: No Monologues.) But it’s also a he said/he said situation whether or not the guild actually gave Leno a pass on writing his monologue. “I don’t believe I heard Jay saying he was ‘writing’ his monologue. I thought I heard him say he was ‘doing’ his monologue,” the guild insider specified. The source added that he himself thought that Leno was going to ad-lib his signature standup opening and not write it because that would break his writers union’s strike rules.
Today both the WGA and NBC issued dueling statements after I posted here on Deadline Hollywood Daily that Jay admitted last night on the air during his first show back from strike hiatus that he had written his own monologue — an act tantamount to strike-breaking. First, the WGA said publicly that “a discussion took place today between Jay Leno and the Writers Guild to clarify to him that writing for The Tonight Show constitutes a violation of the Guilds’ strike rules.” I was told by the guild that Leno explained to the WGA he thought he was following the WGA rules because of a provision in the Guild’s so-called “Minimum Basic Agreement” that allows for a performer to write for himself. But then the union made “very clear” to him that the pact also clearly states that this provision does not apply to a Guild member who also happens to employed on the show as a writer. (Leno is both a credited writer and producer of the NBC-owned Tonight Show as well as host.)
Then, NBC complained publicly: “The WGA agreement permits Jay Leno to write his own monologue for The Tonight Show. The WGA is not permitted to implement rules that conflict with the terms of the collective bargaining agreement between the studios and the WGA.”
Said the WGA insider, “NBC is wrong. And we have made it clear.”
So tonight Leno performed his monologue again on The Tonight Show. Is the WGA going to investigate how Jay is preparing that standup routine?
What makes the situation so delicate is that the WGA perceives Leno as very supportive of striking writers. He’s been delivering food and drinks to the scribes walking the line for two months now. So the WGA, which has repeatedly made it clear it’s picketing NBC and not Leno, may not want to make an example of a high-profile member like Jay for breaking its strike rules. Earlier today, a WGA spokesman told me: ”We are not interested in a battle here between Jay and the Guild,” and doubted there would be any probe. Now the WGA seems to be backing away from that position. “If our members decide that there’s been a violation of the strike rules, there is a procedure that will be followed,” the WGA insider told me.
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This will just push Jay to declare Fi-Core status.
He understands that his time on the Tonight Show, HIS Tonight Show, is limited and does not want to strike it away.
Jay is Jay. Trying to balance everything for everyone. Everyone knows that – why is anyone shocked?
And NBC is NBC, again not a big shock.
NBC will push the monologue issue to the brink and then come up with a modified format. Laughing all the way.
They are just so glad to have a fresh horse in the race right now – in late night TV there is no such thing as bad publicity. They even managed to interject themselves into the Iowa Presidential race. With a WINNER no less!
Really do not see a win in this either way for the WGA. What ever they decide will alienate some group of members. I am not sure if the “no publicity is bad publicity” holds true for Striking Guilds or Unions.
Getting into a pissing contest with Jay Leno is only going to deflect the eyes on the prize.
If the WGA really wants to keep everyone focused on the big issue, they need to drop fighting with Jay now.
Continued fighting with Leno will only serve to keep people focused on a small issue instead of the big issues that really matter.
Is this strike about New Media or about Jay writing his own monologues?
Let’s all step back a moment and learn one thing from Fabio and Labia, who are really good at what they do:
Simplify the message.
Infighting about this issue will get the WGA nowhere. I’m a writer, I know that we love details and nuances but the simple legal fact is that as a member of AFTRA (who is a variety performer as “host”) it is legal for Jay to perform his material, outside the juristdiction of the WGA. That’s a pre-existing contract for him. The WGA strike rules were created after Jay signed that AFTRA contract, and so Jay is in a bind in many, many ways. As an AFTRA member he has every right to perform his own material. If he did a stand up special for Comedy Central performing his stand up, he wouldn’t be paid as a WGA writer, he’d be paid as a variety performer, under an AFTRA contract.
This situation has many split hairs and the WGA should drop it. There is a reasonable case to be made for Jay’s position. He’s a supporter. Let’s not turn him and his bully pulpit against us.
We, as WGA members have walked a similar line with our sister union SAG, and have managed to get real solidarity out of it. We need to focus on the BIG PICTURE.
Look at what was most effective with the audience in last night’s Letterman broadcast, which was when Robin Williams started making fun of the idea that there is no money to be made from itunes. THAT the audience understood, and THAT is our fight. Nobody in America likes fat greedy selfish moguls who insult everyone’s intelligence by pretending that there is no money to be made, or shared, from the vast unfettered marketplace of the Internet, which is the future and everyone knows it.
It’s the Internet, stupid.
That’s the message that needs to be gotten out there, constantly, and Jay can, legally within his pre-existing contract, help us do it. Let’s not turn this into a civil war. That’s what NBC and the AMPTP would love to see us do.
I’m sure that Fabio and Labia are effectively guiding their hands in this. Let’s not play into them, shall we?
Drop it, move on, focus on the real fight, allow Jay to continue to be on our side.
Well, I support the WGA, but their story sounds kind of strained.
I think they gave Jay the go-ahead and then the powers that be at WGA decided this was a big mistake.
Glad to see the support for someone who paid staffers out of his own pocket being villified for the evil corporate demon he is. Down with the charitable jerk who supported his people and went back on the air to make sure that his showrunners got paid. Evil Evil Man.
OK, so if Jay broke the rules what could happen to him? Would he be fined?
Kicked out of the WGA?
I don’t think he would care if either happened.
Does someone know the answer??
Oh great – now were battling the big media conglomerates…and Jay Leno. We’re really moving things along here. So very excited to be striking so that we can determine whether Jay Leno is breaking guild rules. Anyone else scratching their heads?
I’ve been questioning the negotiating strategy of our leadership from the get go. Now I’m no longer questioning – I’ve concluded. We have lost our way.
Jay is scum. A scabby, scabby scum.
What? This is becoming a real joke…
Leno has a history of screwing people over, then trying to act like Mr. nice guy who’s shocked anyone would be angry at him
Leno and NBC have absolutely destroyed a golden legacy, The Tonight Show
Johnny Carson hated Leno and refused to appear on the show. Carson made very funny appearances on Letterman , whom he wanted as his successor. Also, Carson often sent Letterman jokes for the show.
As another commenter aptly said, Leno has always been a self-serving company man.
It is clear how bad of shape NBC is in from these desperate tactics. NBC. NBC was terrified Letterman would gain an edge and surpass Leno in ratings. They’re playing dirty – inventing stories that the WGA permitted Leno to write the monologue. They are probably paying writers under the table to write for Leno.
NBC also seems to have started a shill campaign on DHD – laughably writing in that Leno is America’s most precious tv personality, etc
Yo “Jake Hollywood,”
Calm down. Every post I read of yours has me more convinced you’re an elaborately disguised AMPTP shill posing as a hysterical and spineless guild member.
If I’m wrong, you’re still…hysterical and spineless. Do your guild a favor and take a break from the internet.
First of all, can someone tell me when this strike devolved into bickering about the late-night talk shows?
Secondly — and I’m sure many will dismiss me, like anyone else with a varying point of view, as a “shill” — Patric Verrone has lied to Leno several times. He lied when he told Leno that the Guild would not grant Worldwide Pants an interim agreement. He lied when he told Leno that the Guild would “look the other way” if Jay wrote his own monologues. He lied when he told Leno that the Guild would have no issues with SAG members guesting on his show. And that meeting on Monday was real, and Verrone absolutely said one thing and, later, denied it — I, and many others in the Guild who were there, heard him and believed him. In hindsight, we were fools.
At this point, Jay feels abandoned by the WGA, and he WAS one of our biggest supporters. Letterman spent zero time on a line. Same for Ferguson and Conan.
But, whatever, SAG is ultimately going to win this small battle for us when they tell all the Hollywood flacks tomorrow to only book their clients on Letterman or Ferguson. Verrone may “look the other way,” but no one will be looking at the struck shows once they’re reduced to reality-show hosts and carnival acts.
I question the wisdom of our leadership, but somehow we seem to be moving in the right direction. Here’s hoping the DGA doesn’t fuck anything up.
Unfortunately, it appears that Patrick Verrone has let his mouth outrun his brain once again (witness his vow that reality and animation would be part of the next contract – sorry, I thought the dispute was about new media). As an interested observer (husband of a striking writer who has faithfully walked the picket lines as we witness our savings begin to erode) and a proud member of the performing arts unions, I am also appalled at the invective being hurled at those across the table or those who dare to voice alternative opinions to the WGA line. This is business. Personal attacks and name calling will not serve any productive purpose, or get teh moguls back to the table any sooner.
Technology…it directly relates to the writer’s strike which is all about content delivery. Leno feels like a nice distraction from what the strike is really all about — the future. Leno and late night television are the past. Sorry if that’s a too painful truth.
In the next two weeks, there’s the 2008 Consumer Electronics Show followed a week later by MacWorld where Apple rolls out new products. It’s gadgets galore — also known as ways to deliver content — and every kid in America is paying attention. (I really hope the WGA is trying to reach out to writers in the gaming community.)
Lenovo is releasing a new laptop geared towards ‘mobile entertainment’ Meanwhile rumors Apple is releasing a new ultra light weight portable with a docking station. Eyes on Google who wants to bid on a spectrum license for wireless broadband — nationwide.
The key to getting everyone back to the table for talks IS the technology. At least, in my humble opinion.
Hey, I’ve been on strike for two months now and have been very, very supportive of my union. I’ve also brought donuts and coffee to the line to show my support. Does that mean I can go back to work too? Let’s be honest, folks, Leno is a strike breaker who brings us snacks. That’s all. Maybe if we got snacks from the AMPTP we’d be happy to get screwed by them too.
Leno has a history of screwing people over, then trying to act like Mr. nice guy who’s shocked anyone would be angry at him
Leno and NBC have destroyed a golden legacy, The Tonight Show. The show is an embarrassment.
Johnny Carson wanted Letterman as his successor
NBC was probably terrified Letterman would gain an edge and surpass Leno in ratings.
NBC also seems to have started a shill campaign on DHD about how great it is Leno came back and screw the unions.
Only one other person said it cleanly, so I have to add my vote: CHILL OUT, EVERYONE!
In the long run, there is nothing to gain about splitting hairs over Leno.
Giving WWP an interim agreement was a risky move, no doubt. The upside is that all late-night hosts did not go back to work, business-as-usual. We split their ranks.
The downside is that all late-night writers did not go back to work, business-as-usual. And if we let them, they (meaning the AMPTP) will split our ranks.
The larger point is that WE (the WGA) voted for this leadership by an overwhelming majority, and WE voted for this strike by a similar majority. We need to trust both decisions, and not micro-armchair-backseat-quarterback every damn thing the leadership does.
To quote Benjamin Franklin – a guy who knew a thing or two about resistance – “We must, indeed, all hang together, or most assuredly we shall all hang separately.”
I have been a monologue writer for one of the involved hosts. I find it hard to believe that Jay wrote all those jokes himself. Someone on the inside at the Tonight show who is sympathetic to the WGA needs to leak or post where Leno is getting these jokes from.
One man, who has to spend his day preparing for the guest interviews, is not writing the two to three hundred jokes from which 25 are typically chosen. Simply can’t be.
“He wanted the guild to get the message out that he supported the writers.”
Hey, Jay? The guild is not your personal PR firm. They have other matters that need their attention right now, honey, and the whole wide world does not completely revolve around you. If you want to get the message out that you support the writers, there’s a simple, easy way that you can do it yourself–support the writers! Stop scabbing! That would work wonders. If you don’t want to be portrayed as the bad guy, don’t BE the bad guy.
And what I think Patric said was, ‘You’re taking one for the team. And we understand that.’ ”
Okay, and this is the account from our side? Is there such a thing as strike-induced insanity? Gosh, I hope Leno doesn’t crack up completely under the strain of all he’s sacrificed–maybe the weight of all the mash notes and flowers and candy our people have sent will crush him. And of course, there’s the mental strain involved in figuring just how many strike rules it’s humanly possible to blatantly violate. And I hear that he thought about showing up with Krispy Kreme’s dayolds but bravely chose instead to go with the fresh ones, those cost like $3.
“This is the entirely predictable outcome of the WGA decision to cut a side deal with Letterman.”
Oh, bs. The WGA decided to cut a side deal with Letterman BECAUSE all the other hosts were crossing. Get the chronology right. We didn’t make the deal until long after NBC made the announcement.
“What was he supposed to do? Let his own show go down the tubes, while ever-so-cool Dave gets a free pass?”
Um, hello? First off, Leno basically no longer has a show. NBC is taking it away and giving it to Conan. Second, this is a strike. We’re worrying about our next meal, and we’re supposed to care that Leno can’t take the fact that he might slip .3 or .4 behind Letterman for a few months in pursuance of a strategy to end this quicker? Well, gosh, if Leno’s self-esteem is based entirely on getting a 5.2, then we’ll just have to hand $10 million dollars a month to a struck company and deal with the fact that it’s going to lengthen the strike for the rest of us. Our livlihoods are one thing, Leno’s fragile self-esteem is something else. In a strike, everyone sacrifices, but Leno isn’t just anyone. If he actually supported the strike, he’d get over this pathological obsession he has with beating Letterman and figure out that for the next few months, it just doesn’t matter and there are more important issues at stake. What would they do to him if his ratings slip for a while–give the show to Conan harder? We want his ratings to slip to put pressure on NBC to give him back his writers plus end the strike faster, doesn’t that help him in the long run? Everybody else is under the same restrictions as jay, most of us are far worse off financially than Jay, and if we did what Jay was doing we’d be removed from the guild. Some excuse, cry me a river.
“He lied when he told Leno that the Guild would “look the other way” if Jay wrote his own monologues. He lied when he told Leno that the Guild would have no issues with SAG members guesting on his show.”
Is jay a complete moron? Look, I get that the guild has been sucking up to him, coddling him, babying him like there’s no tomorrow, for some unexplained reason. But again, this is a STRIKE! It is not Jay’s personal therapy session to work out his abandonment issues or his need to be liked. Even if someone did say such crazy things, why would Jay believe them? It’s a strike. Why in the hell would he believe that his show wouldn’t be picketed, or he’d be allowed to do a monologue when it was already pointed out that it’s forbidden? Because we just like him so much we’d rather make him feel safe and secure than conduct this strike effectively? That makes no sense. He understands that the only way we can gain leverage is by disrupting revenue streams to struck companies, correct? I’m sorry, but this isn’t that complicated. This doesn’t pass the smell test.
seriously, can’t you hear the amptp guys sitting in a room and chuckling over verrone’s little late night vietnam?
I think everyone needs to stop bickering over this and leave it to Jay Leno to decide what he wants to do with his monologue now that the WGA’s and NBC’s positions have been made clear. If he truly supports the writers as much as he says he does, he will stop writing monologues and do something else to fill the time. If he decides to keep writing, everyone needs to just shrug it off and move on with things that really matter.
To WGA members: you didn’t go on strike to keep Jay Leno from doing his monologues. You went on strike to get a fair deal, and that’s what I hope you’re focusing on. Don’t let a bunch of bored people bickering at each other in the comments section of a blog distract you from the real goal.
When I listened to Leno’s monologue last night, I didn’t think he was thumbing his nose to the WGA, I thought he was publicly telling everyone that he wrote the monologue without other writers (WGA or otherwise) because he felt responsible to the other 160 people in the crew. Even that statement, I don’t think was intended to place blame on anyone, but to say that this was a tough decision. I tried to catch as many late night opeing monologues as I could, and I thought that Leno did the best jobs of supporting their writers and the strike. Kimmel was another standout in that he supported the other hosts.
While ratings were up for both Letterman and Leno, compared to prime time ratings, neither of theirs look very impressive. And by that I mean that where this strike is going to hurt the networks most is prime time, especially with February sweeps starting in less a month.
Leno has also managed to bring some exposure to the strike that I hadn’t expected. Every news story I saw on Wed and Thurs talked about Hackabee crossing the WGA picket line. A few mentioned Hillary’s cameo. My point is, Letterman is expected to be the great hero and mouthpiece for the strike. I think that Leno could do the same. As long as he’s not using other WGA writers or bringing in scabs. As long as he’s writing his own stuff, let him work for you guys.
Max, Patric Verrone lied when he told Leno the Guild would not grant WWP an interim agreement? Uh….what the %^&* was Leno doing trying to interfere in negotiations between the WGA and a company he’s not a part of in the first place? And what the $%^& was Verrone doing letting Leno in on private negotiations with a separate party and granting him veto power over negotiating committee decisions?
I’ve never heard of anything so self-centered and power-crazed. So you’re saying this realy happened, and the part that concerns you is…Verrone wasn’t telling the truth? I think the better question is what could possibly make Verrone think he was doing the right thing if he he had been telling the truth. Unless Leno become the supreme ruler of the universe while I wasn’t looking, if that’s true, we’ve got some serious problems. Anyone want to chip in for a writing course for Alan Rosenberg? Please, Alan, become a hyphenate.
Of course, you’re also parroting the line that someone who’s rubbing the guild’s nose in his strike rule violation and was the first to cross the line is our biggest supporter because he showed up with a pizza and, presumably, because he was finally guilt-tripped, kicking and screaming, into paying his staff long after all the other hosts, so maybe I’ll take your account with a grain or two of salt, but study up anyway Alan.
The real test for Leno will be if the strike continues. Three or four weeks from now, or maybe less, either Jay’s going to be recycling his oldest jokes or he’s just gonna run out of steam. And it won’t be pretty.
The other thing he’s going to run short of is name guests. There’s only a finite number of Republicans too stupid to realize they’re crossing a picket line.
And BTW they didn’t print it but I told the LA Times reporter interviewing us on the line yesterday that we love Leno so much we wish NBC would give him his writers back.
I watched Leno and Conan tonight. Their shows were very funny. I don’t think America misses you writers.