This comes to me from actor Ron Livingston speaking out against the SAG petition drive lobbying for an earnings threshold requirement for ”qualified voting” on SAG contract issues. The “pro” opinion was articulated yesterday by Ned Vaughn here:
“I was recently forwarded a copy of Ned Vaughn’s petition to change the way that SAG votes to ratify its contracts. I don’t know Ned personally, but he has obviously thought about this a good deal, and seems genuinely passionate about a strong union. His argument is clearly articulated, and endorsed by a list of actors whose talents and intelligence I very much appreciate, several of whom I’ve had the pleasure of working with and would call friends.
“Nevertheless, I respectfully disagree with Ned on a number of points.
“SAG, like any union, draws its strength from numbers and unity, not from division and cantonization. Collective bargaining is only effective when done collectively. For a negotiating position to have any strength or credibility, it has to be supported not only by the people currently working the jobs, but by the people who could and would otherwise gladly replace them if given the opportunity. How many of the WGA’s recent gains would have been achieved if the only people who respected and supported the picket lines were writers currently working when the strike was called? The strength of our union is not just the actor who says ‘I really want this job, but I’m not doing it anymore until you pay me what I’m worth.’ It’s the ten actors next to him who say ‘I really want that job, too, but I’m not doing it, either, until you pay him what he’s worth.’ And that’s a sacrifice, too.
“The whole point of the Screen Actor’s Guild, or any labor union, for that matter, is that We’re All In This Together. That’s the most important thing to remember as we navigate these next coming months.
“I’d like to make one thing clear: I think the general principle behind Ned’s petition is sound, and certainly worthy of a discussion. I, for one, have never worked under a Dancer contract, or a Stunt Performer contract, and I can’t think of any good reason why I should be consulted on either of them. Simply put, they don’t affect me, and I wouldn’t feel qualified to vote on them.
“But when it comes to the major SAG contracts, it’s not so easy for me to know exactly who’s going to be affected.
“Every one of us knows that in our line of work, you’re up some years, and some years you’re down. And if anything, the major SAG Contracts — establishing minimums and residuals – affect us the most in the years we’re down. When we’re not working a lot. Established stars don’t work for scale; they may get bought out of residuals, or already have back-end participation negotiated for them. It’s precisely the people scraping by, the up-and-comers and the kids working their first and second jobs that these contracts do and will affect the most.
“As to an earnings test for qualified voting, I’m not sure why it matters what I made last week, or six months ago, or in 2003; what I got paid in the past is the one thing a new contract is definitely NOT going to affect. These contracts aren’t for past work. They’re for future work. And if someone out there knows who is going to get which jobs for the next three to five years, they should post it somewhere and we can all save a lot of gas money going to auditions.
“None of us were born working for more than $1,000 or $7,500 a year. We all started with empty resumes. But when we worked that first SAG job and got that first paycheck, each one of us benefited from the courage, solidarity and leadership of the actors before us who had the personal courage not to pull the ladder up behind them; who went out on a limb to demand a fair deal and safe working conditions for everyone, whether they knew our names yet or not.
“I don’t mean to give anyone offense. There may very well be a way to change how SAG votes that makes us a more effective union, and gives all members a greater voice in the contracts that affect them the most. That’s a great idea, and it’s worth talking about. But proposing to strip 65%-80% of the membership of their voting rights against their will is not the way to do it. Certainly not now. At best it leaves us with a membership that is 65%-80% fi-core before negotiations even begin. At worst it creates yet another separate group of actors, hungry for work, with no vested interest in supporting any position “SAG Elite” chooses to take, and four times its size. Take one look at the effect that lack of coordination with AFTRA has on our bargaining position and ask yourself if what we need is more division, categorization and animosity.
“Now is not the time to question each other’s talent or worth. Now is not the time to point at fellow actors and say, ‘You’re the problem with the industry.’ Now is the time for all members of SAG and AFTRA to take a lesson from the past, to pull together and create the framework that will provide a fair deal for actors working today, actors working tomorrow, and actors working five, ten and twenty years from now, whomever they may be.”
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This comes to me from actor Ron Livingston speaking out against the SAG petition drive
“SAG, like any union, draws its strength from numbers and unity, not from division and cantonization. Collective bargaining is only effective when done collectively. For a negotiating position to have any strength or credibility, it has to be supported not only by the people currently working the jobs, but by the people who could and would otherwise gladly replace them if given the opportunity. How many of the WGA’s recent gains would have been achieved if the only people who respected and supported the picket lines were writers currently working when the strike was called? The strength of our union is not just the actor who says ‘I really want this job, but I’m not doing it anymore until you pay me what I’m worth.’ It’s the ten actors next to him who say ‘I really want that job, too, but I’m not doing it, either, until you pay him what he’s worth.’ And that’s a sacrifice, too.




Wow. Well put. I totally agree.
I knew I liked Livingston for a reason. His articulate and thoughtful letter just reinforces what I’ve always thought about Ron: he’s intelligent, reasonable, and principled. If more of that could be found in this town, imagine how truly great this community of filmmaking would be.
Bravo, Ron. Unity is key, folks. the WGA wouldn’t have gotten the contract it did if splinter factions rose during the walkout. Yes, there was a threat, but they were smart about it. they didn’t do it publicly.
Again, congrats Ron!
Ron, to say that actors who are prohibited from voting on major contracts would not be able to muster union loyalty and solidarity with fellow performers is off the mark. And while you make an even-tempered argument, you defeat it when you arrive at the rock-solid logic regarding actors not voting on contracts for dancers or stunt persons; you wrote: “Simply put, they don’t affect me, and I wouldn’t feel qualified to vote on them.”
There is a vast gulf of difference between the motives compelling a working actor in a SAG election and those driving an actor who is not acting. We all know how pissed we get at our agents, employers, and even fellow actors when we’re not working. An electorate composed primarily of out-of-work actors is an unstable, unreliable, and easily manipulated body of voters who vote with an entirely different set of motives held by the working actor who is feeding a family. (Remember the asinine mistruths put forth as arguments against merger during the ’03 vote?!?)
The logic I’ve witnessed in past strikes includes: “Hey man, I ain’t workin’…I got time to strike! It’s a great way to see your buddies,”…or, “Screw ‘em, I’ve got nothin’ to lose in a strike! Those assholes are gonna pay!”…or, “What’s another month on the street; it doesn’t affect me, I’m an accountant-with-a-SAG-card…STRIKE!” Think I’m kidding? Just wait.
Very well said Ron. I agree.
Thanks, Ron, for stepping forward and articulating this position so clearly and eloquently. I was very uncomfortable when I received the e-mailed petition from several other union members. As a SAG/AFTRA member for fifteen years, I have worked under numerous contracts, and am wary of any more divisiveness in our unions, whether based on income, on-camera/off-camera status, television or film, broadcaster, actor, singer or stunt person. United we stand, divided we fall!
Oh my goodness. My already latent crush on Ron Livingston just supernova’d.
Ron says this: “I, for one, have never worked under a Dancer contract, or a Stunt Performer contract, and I can’t think of any good reason why I should be consulted on either of them. Simply put, they don’t affect me, and I wouldn’t feel qualified to vote on them. But when it comes to the major SAG contracts, it’s not so easy for me to know exactly who’s going to be affected.”
And I believe it is the crux of the issue. I don’t want someone who’s only been a grip, a hairstylist, a realtor, a car salesmen, or even a producer for the past ten years voting on the agreement. I do want someone who has worked the contract even a tiny bit to be able to.
The board has the obligation to sort out who’s affected and who’s not.
Strength doesn’t come from everybody joining in whether it affects them or not, it comes from the working stiffs being squarely behind a job action and not feeling railroaded by the vanity card holders (those who’ve worked next to nothing in the past ten years).
It’s not about how much money you make it’s about making sure there aren’t voters with either no interest in the outcome or an actual conflict of interest.
Nothing would please the studios more, than to know that the actors they want to hire are equivocating during a strike, have been placed in that position because a majority of voters weren’t directly affected.
Every other union in the country does it (except AFTRA. that needs to be looked into). The WGA strike was a success because of this style of voting.
the thought of unemployable actors exercising their power to vote for a strike is absolutely terrifying and i pray the petition drive succeeds…HOWEVER…Ron’s not wrong here. He’s not wrong. He’s just scaring the bejezus out of me.
Right on, Ron.
Thank you, Ron Livingston. You put it extremely well.
A union’s strength is in all of its members, not just a wealthy few. I’m willing to listen to alternatives, but a “qualified voting” plan sounds like a divider, not a unifier.
Ron,
Thank you for such a wonderfully uniting letter for our union. At yet another pinnacle moment, for so many in Hollywood, your words carry a beautiful message of truth. I look forward to all SAG members standing together for inspiration, standing together for strength, standing together for change, and standing together for our future.
He makes some pretty good points.
SAG does not exist to serve the interests of the A-List, they have agents and publicists for that, but to protect the rights of the hand-to-mouth working actor who will probably never see their name on a star in the sidewalk.
While I’m sure the other side has their points, qualified voting reminds me of the early elections where only landowning males had the right to vote, and that’s not good.
It took me more years than I would like to admit to pay my rent and bills from the money I earn as an actor thanks to SAG and its residual tracking infrastructure. Yet I did manage to find some work in all of those years and to suggest that my interest, commitment and love for SAG would not be diminished if my voting rights were taken away unilaterally by the union is indicative of such a pursuit not being thought through.
How would something like this work? A membership vote where we vote to remove our right, which cost me $1500 in membership initiation fees, to vote? Or procedurally bypass a vote and remove tens of thousands of union members in “good standing” right to vote? And there will be no consequences to such a measure?
Yes there will – fracture. And the AMPTP will love it. Just in time for the June contract expiration. Ron was a gentleman with his response but my feeling is that an idea should be thought through before being implemented, or risk being assessed as thoughtless.
good for ron livingston. i am a member of both the wga and sag. I just spent 3 months on the line for my union. I make more money as a writer than as an actor right now. Yet i have made good money as an actor and expect to do so again in the future. The idea that as a dues paying member i would be denied the opportunity to vote on an issue that is at the core of why i’m a guild member is offensive and foolish.
Ron is right. What is the point of a union if not all the members are able to participate in building it’s future? If this type of mentality continues to drive SAG than they may not have much of a union in years to come. Unions are there to not only support those fortuante with jobs but also those who are not as fortunate and take the responsibility of protecting them.
Very eloquent. Thank you Mr. Livingston. I too am a member of SAG. I walked the lines with the WGA as recently as last week, and I concur with your opinion. The WGA was unsuccessful in 1988 because of a rift between television and motion picture writers, and nobody benefited from the bad deal they made. They realized this time that if they do not hang together, to cop a sentiment from the American Revolution, they shall surely hang separately. It really is about unity and solidarity.
very well put Nikki
I agree completely. My son is a nineteen year old SAG member who has worked his first, second and third SAG jobs, and is auditioning all the time for the privilege of working another one some day. He has voted when SAG asks him to vote, stayed informed about the WGA and DGA contract negotiations, and will be on the picket line with SAG if it should strike. Now is NOT the time to alienate a newcomer, an enthusiastic and loyal newcomer. Unity won the day for WGA and will win the day for SAG. Thank you, Ron, for standing up for those just starting out.
Ron is right…
Let’s also think of what will happen to SAG/AFTRA if they implement Ned Vaughn’s idea…struggling actors and other disenfranchised members like dancers and stunt people will move to decertify. This represents a full 80% of the membership. Pretty hard to finance union operations without dues and pension & health contributions coming in.
Dear mheister,
The WGA has affected member voting. The requirements for voting on the agreements are stiff. Take a look for yourself. The poor results of the ’88 were the REASON they instituted affected member voting. They wanted to be sure that anyone who voted to go on strike had a significant stake in the outcome. I think the results of this strike have born the fruit of that policy change.
Wow. That is quite the TPS report. Go Ron Livingston.
I think that this petition comes from the idea that these 900 SAG members have no faith in Rosenberg and his NEG COMM. He’s hellbent to go on strike. Just look at his and Bateman’s statements during the WGA strike. Without the vanity cards he may not get an overwhelming strike vote. It will make the guild look weak and full of rhetoric.
The gains that the WGA made are good, I don’t think SAG can get a much better deal with or without a strike.
Why do people keep acting like those members who are working less frequently or not at all right now want a strike. Or that Rosenberg wants a strike. No one wants a strike! We are all aware of how hard the strike has been on this town. People want fair wages.
It was helpful to the WGA for SAG to take a hard line and stand by them. It would not be helpful to go into a SAG negotiation saying “I sure hope you’ll treat us fairly, because we’ll NEVER strike.” What position do you want Rosenberg to take? Do you want him to go in begging? A strike at least needs to seem like a possibility – because its the only power we actually have on our side.
Instead of expending energy trying to get SAG members kicked out of a vote on their potential wages, or taking out premature ads that act like the unions are unwilling to negotiate, Why doesn’t everyone just get off SAG and Allen’s and Rosenberg’s back and let them analyze the DGA and WGA contracts and finish the W & Ws. The writers haven’t actually accepted their agreement yet, the DGA hasn’t released their agreement – so really, put the timeline in perspective.
Working SAG/AFTRA actor, isn’t Livingston right that the typical working actor needs the contract more than the A-lister? You’re so suspicious of the motives of currently unemployed actors, but what, there’s some kind of vast solidarity beween heart-of-gold A-listers who don’t need the contract and working actors who depend on it? With de Nero, Streep, Clooney and Hanks lining up to undercut their own union, good luck finding A-listers who give a damn.
Todd waring, don’t look now but the results in ’88 and ’08 were the same. We authorized a strike and got hosed both times, the only difference is that we caved quicker this time. Qualified voting made no difference to the outcome, except probably to piss off dues paying members who have no voice.