I’ve spent all day talking to sources on all sides of the WGA-mogul talks, and here is the latest news. I’ve opened comments now that I’m done posting.
(Keep refreshing… See updates below)
I’m told that Patric Verrone, Dave Young and John Bowman — the WGA leadership involved in Friday’s breakthrough session of the writer-mogul talks with Peter Chernin and Bob Iger – are recommending the deal hashed out Friday and briefed the guild’s negotiating committee today. There is also a regularly scheduled WGA board meeting today, and the leadership may brief the board about the deal but that’s not certain. I hear no one at the top of the guild will be asked to vote on the deal today. That can’t happen until the deal is drafted, and there’s the rub. I’m told that if something, or someone, gets tricky with the language or terms, then writing down what was agreed to becomes a major haggle. “Everything needs to be in writing. So there’s still a possibility that this thing could get fucked,” an insider explains to me. “The DGA has five months to put its shit in writing but the WGA has to get it all in writing before the strike can be called off. There has to be a draft and that has to be approved.”
Without problems, the draft could be done by week’s end, maybe longer. But I hear various people from inside and outside the union are pressuring the WGA to schedule the vote as soon as possible. Here’s why: once both the WGA negotiating committee and the WGA board approve the deal, then the guild leaders would call off the strike immediately. I’m told that was an integral part of the agreement because the moguls didn’t want to wait for the membership at large to weigh in on the deal. Among those pressing for this were Bob Iger, who for obvious reasons wants the picket lines to come down so Hollywood can feel free to attend ABC’s Academy Awards.
But there are genuine concerns that the negotiating committee and the board may not approve the deal, even though Verrone, Young and Bowman are behind it. (Though the votes do not have to be unanimous.) There are also genuine concerns that the WGA membership may not approve the deal — like what happened during the 1960 strike.
UPDATE – Tonight, this letter is going out to members from WGA Negotiating Committee Chair John Bowman in advance of the WGAW supposedly holding a general membership meeting at 6:30 PM Saturday at the Shrine Auditorium to provide an update on the negotiations:
Dear Fellow Members:
I would like to update you on where we stand with bargaining with the AMPTP. While we have made important progress since the companies re-engaged us in serious talks, negotiations continue. Regardless of what you hear or read, there are many significant points that have yet to be worked out.In order to keep members abreast of the latest developments, informational meetings are being planned by both Guilds for this weekend-details to be announced. Neither the Negotiating Committee, nor the West Board or the East Council, will take action on the contract until after the membership meetings.
As the talks proceed, never forget that during this period it is critical for us to remain on the picket lines united and strong. We are all in this together.
So now is the time for everyone to back off. That’s right, BACK OFF. And to let the WGA leadership talk to its board and also its membership without outside interference.
Look, a ridiculously large number of Hollywood power players — from major feature film writers and TV showrunners, to agents and managers and lawyers, to executives and moguls — have been on the phone in recent weeks urging the media to pressure the WGA to take the DGA deal, or whatever is negotiated, and call off the strike before the Oscars. I’ve heard smart arguments and I’ve heard nonsensical arguments (like the big-time agent who described the TV showrunners as “the plantation owners” vs the TV writers who worked for them as “the cotton-pickers who should just damn well be grateful they have health and pension and get back to work already”.) But who was putting equal pressure on the moguls? Certainly not Variety, or the Los Angeles Times, or The New York Times. Outrageous that every mainstream media outlet influential in showbiz from the outset took the AMPTP shill position that the DGA deal was a great deal because it was negotiated by grown-ups and the WGA brats better take it or else. When it had been the moguls who have acted childish and churlish pre- and post-strike. Worse, they’d disengaged from the process, with occasional exceptions, and hadn’t met together even once. (Unlike 1988 when there was truly a sense of urgency and they regularly huddled in Bel Air living rooms.) If anybody, the media should have been pressuring the Hollywood CEOs to use the DGA deal as a good start. After all, everyone was making it seem like the shitty DGA deal was the only possible deal available to the writers. But only the scribes knew what terms were needed to make the strike worthwhile to them. I and other media didn’t need to arrogantly advise them on the details or even explain the big picture. This was their fight, not ours.
Judging from the thousands of emails I received during my illness, opinions within the WGA were running 3-to-1 that the DGA deal after its sketchy details were announced looked both promisingly incremental and fundamentally excremental. Incremental because it did address issues which the Hollywood CEOs previously withheld from their faux negotiations with the WGA, like an electronic sell-through formula. (And how long was everybody waiting for that to finally show up on the bargaining table?) And excremental because the deal’s ad-supported streaming payout was still insulting. Even the most short-sighted entertainment seers except the moguls could peer into the future and see that, for at least the next three years, ad-embedded streaming will be the delivery method of choice for media content producers, consumers and advertisers. It certainly is right now. And, given Wal-Mart’s recent decision to abandon the downloading biz at this time (because the light demand wasn’t worth the cost of the server farms), it certainly is for the life of the WGA’s next contract. But the moguls seemed to fashion the DGA deal in such a way as to undermine and eventually eradicate the old residual system they hate even though it keeps so many writers solvent. A screenwriter pal of mine credits residuals with creating the “middle class writer”. I personally know so many scribes who find themselves working one year, begging for work the next two, and afraid that as they get older they won’t have staying power in the scribbling business. Because the statistics back up that paranoia: the only people allowed to grow old gracefully employed in Hollywood are the moguls. As for residuals, the majority of the DGA membership get no direct residual payments but the big guns of the DGA all get profit participation on their projects. That leaves only 20% of that guild’s membership for whom residual payments are a lifeline. So the DGA deal could play well for the CEOs in the press and put pressure on the WGA leadership to take it or look unreasonable by comparison. But what the DGA needed and what the WGA needed were apples and oranges. When it comes to Hollywood deals, one size does not fit all.
Thankfully, it didn’t require a room full of rocket scientists to attempt to adapt the DGA deal to the needs of the WGA membership. It did require John Bowman to take a leadership role. Rightly or wrongly, he was always viewed as a moderate by the moguls compared to Young and Verrone whom the CEOs villified as the militants. ”Bowman just had a better relationship with those guys because he was more of a known quantity having once been a big guy in TV,” an insider tells me. So it was Bowman who met with Peter Chernin, Barry Meyer and Les Moonves to break the ice back on January 7th at a meeting where supposedly the CEOs said they were sorry for acting like assholes during Phase I and II of the negotiations. From that confab, the WGA-mogul talks were recently reborn.
Another major difference was the presence of entertainment lawyer Alan Wertheimer who has long repped some of the major motion picture and TV scribes. Asked to step in on behalf of the WGA, Wertheimer “was someone who broke down what was being offered and presented the ramifications the way any lawyer does in a negotiation,” an insider told me. “He was extremely helpful.” Another told me, “He was kind of a hero.” The moguls knew they’d have to look him in the eye when this was all over, same as they’d have to look Bryan Lourd in the eye. (As opposed to the WGA’s leadership, whom the CEOs could go back to ignoring. Just like they do most Hollywood scribes.)
As the informal talks started, I kept worrying that the moguls would make good on their promise to me not to reward the WGA for striking (by giving them better terms than the directors and thus make the helmers look weak). But that was a ridiculous way to view the situation when a vital issue like residuals is part of the WGA contract’s DNA. At the same time, the Hollywood CEOs were startled by the distrust they found among the WGA leadership. Not only had weeks and months of dealing with Nick Counter, and believing AMPTP promises to put New Media terms on the table, poisoned the overall atmosphere. But also the moguls’ own lies. After all, Big Media had never bothered to revisit the weak formulas for home video or DVD before, so why should the writers believe the CEOs’ latest pledge to revisit the formulas for New Media in three years?
First, it took a lot of lobbying to convince the WGA leaders there would be no “significant” money in streaming for the next several years. (One source claimed that the WGA’s numbers were “quadruple” what was really the truth.) “The networks still get it as part of the license fee, and if you compare the viewers per rerun at $20K and the viewers of streams at $1,200, the stream deal is better,” an insider told me. ”People need to be educated on the economics, and, fortunately, the WGA deal will give talent access to a lot of the info necessary to determine what’s fair in the future. It’s simply not possible to know today what will (or will not be) appropriate in 10 years. Fortunately, the deal is up in three, and the WGA has shown that it isn’t afraid to strike over these issues.”
Meanwhile, Chernin and Iger focused on addressing the WGA’s New Media residual needs without confusing them with the DGA’s. “To their credit, Bob and Peter said to the WGA, ‘Tell us what really concerns you.’ And that’s when things really started moving on questions about jurisidiction on the Internet and the third-year formula for streaming.”
At the same time, leaders of different dissident factions within the WGA (some made up of very powerful TV showrunners and feature film writers), approached the guild toppers with an ultimatum. These factions, who one source told me total 300 members in all and had been held in check up until then, declared that they would no longer promise to keep silent if a deal wasn’t done right away. “A lot of things came together Friday,” an insider told me. “Chernin was back. And Iger was there. And the guys on the WGA side knew if they didn’t come out with a deal this weekend that Monday was going to be a bad day. They’d been personally told by these different pockets of writers who knew what was going on that they would no longer be supportive and measured. They planned on going public. They planned to blow the guild up.”
UPDATE: *But tonight another source assured me that those who put pressure on the Guild to make a deal were only a handful of actual showrunners and not big-name ones. “Mainly a group of desperate people in the mix – including some non-writing producers – who were more concerned about getting back to work than getting a good deal.” According to one TV hyphenate personally involved in a letter drafted to Verrone, Young and Bowman that as of Friday was signed by 75 showrunners, it asked the WGA trio to obtain better terms than the DGA deal in a few key areas. “As one who was on the phone for two days getting signatures, these showrunners were plenty serious about what needed to get done. So, it wasn’t the influence of the negatives who held the negotiations hostage; our guys had plenty of ammo going in there to tell the other side that a bum deal would never get ratified by the majority of showrunners or their staffs.”*
Now it’s up to the WGA leadership to use the next weeks wisely. The writers don’t want this deal shoved down their throats any more than they wanted that done with the DGA deal. Yet it’s surprising that the current plan calls for just that. If indeed the board approves of the new deal, then the right thing to do is to let the membership vote before the strike is called off. That gives the WGA leadership time enough to complete the delicate dance of lowering members’ expectations about what could and couldn’t be accomplished.
Right now, if the WGA board accepts the deal, I’m told that the Back 9 of most scripted TV series could be saved along with a no-frills pilot season with less scripted series ordered than ever before. (And expect the upfront presentations to advertisers to consist of a lot more pleading than preening.) Some of the force-majeured deals could be reinstated. (But it’s important to remember that three times as many pacts would have been cancelled if the agents and lawyers hadn’t lobbied the networks and studios.) Feature films that were halted or thought lost could get going immediately. And, of course, the Oscars could be held. But what happens to all this back-to-work progress if the WGA membership votes down the deal? A bigger mess than even now?
Only the WGA members can decide how much more pain they are willing to endure with no guarantee that whatever is negotiated months from now (alongside SAG) is going to be any better than what has been negotiated now. The one thing this strike has done is to give writers a powerful voice that Hollywood has heard loud and clear. Don’t silence the WGA membership at this crucial juncture.
Editor-in-Chief Nikki Finke - tip her here.







Just so you guys know, I’m in no hurry at all for this to get resolved. The longer the strike lasts, the longer I get to stay on the island! Oh, and Jack can go jump off a cliff, for all I’m concerned…
I’m at my wit’s end with this strike. I’m voting to accept, regardless of what comes through, even if its the exact same as the DGA deal. I just want to work again.
Why do these idiots really think anyone would be content with a flate rate? If I CREATE something from scratch, you goddamned better believe I want to participate in its success.
Okay. Chill. We don’t know much, in fact very little. We entrusted our leadership to do right by us, let’s let ‘em. That, and this isn’t just about this season, this year. Don’t be so damn short-sighted. This is about setting precedent for three years from now, thirty years from now. Producer’s Gross is HUGE! The strength of our Guild is magnificent. We got a group of multi-national conglomerates to GIVE UP MONEY! That, in itself, is a victory. We have made a name for ourselves and our voices have been heard! Now, be rational – reasonable. This…this possible victory is saved us from being eaten by the machine. Don’t blow it in the home stretch.
patcracks,
I write for a how that is streamed online. There are millions of full episodes streams viewed every month. The TV broadcasts run commercial-free. The streamed version contains commercials. It’s an entirely new revenue source for the show.
I have to agree with what some of the actual Writers have said, that is exactly the same vibe I’m getting.
Correct me if I’m wrong but Internet Ad revenues are 40 Billion this year and expected to double in three years. Writers know this too…
If the deal offered is similar to the DGA platform with a small EST kicker and the same shut out window for promotional use, I know many Writers won’t go for it. Writers want a decent EST number based on percentage NOW so we don’t have to go through this again in three years.
Time will soon be on our side…
With the SAG Expiration looming, it may, I repeat, may be better to simply wait a little longer to secure a better deal if this seems lacking. It seems like our Negs need more leverage based on their comments… and they still have more to work out…
What’s more, once Allen and Doug (SAG) crunch the numbers as to how it may play out for them, we should get a better idea of where they stand… and if it doesn’t look that great, they will be front and center explaining why.
Residuals mean everything… for us and them.
The only good news is knowing SAG has our backs now and neither of us will be bullied into a “take or leave it” deal offer. This tactic of demanding WGA Negs suspend the Strike if they support the offer before Members ratify any deal is more bullying to me.
Bottom Line: June looms…
Hey “Screenvet” – “Fuck it. We’re staying out until June.” Thanks. That’s helpful, especially to those of us writers who actually work, in both features and television, and who would like to get back to it. Here’s the thing – it’s not going to be until June. That’s just when SAG’s contract is up. Then if they strike, it will last until October or November at the earliest. That’s a full year of being out of work. Houses lost. Children pulled out of schools. A shitstorm. And for what? A deal that will probably not be better than this one.
I say probably because WE HAVEN’T SEEN THIS DEAL YET. In fact, Nikki, I have to say I find it pretty disingenuous to write a long-winded post about the deal and how we’ve arrived at it and how childish the AMPTP has been (granted, they certainly have been) and then end it by saying “So everyone back off and let the WGA do their job.” Perhaps you and others in the media should back off and not fan the flames of zealotry by posting things leaked by anonymous sources.
I voted yes for the strike authorization. Virtually every writer I know did, in contrast to what “Tad Bitter” wrote. I didn’t want to go on strike, but if you vote “no” you’re signalling that you’ll accept whatever crap the AMPTP offers. Having said that – I desperately would like this strike to be over, as would every writer I know. And I have to think, if this deal is somewhat better than the DGA’s deal in areas that we care about, that it will be approved by the membership. In any event, all I’m saying is, wait to hear what the deal is before you start slinging shit at it. This is not a game anymore – this is people’s careers and lives.
Variety is saying: “In the area of web streaming, the DGA pact calls for helmers to be paid a fixed residual for the first year that a program or movie is offered for streaming (after a 17- to 24-day window of free usage for promotional purposes). For the second year and beyond that a program is made available for streaming, the fee in the DGA pact shifts to 2% of the distributor’s gross.
The proposed deal for the WGA is the same as the DGA terms for the first two years of the WGA contract. But starting in the third year of the WGA contract, the formula would change to give writers a fixed percentage of distributor’s gross (believed to be 2%) from the get-go after the promotional window ends, rather than a fixed residual for the first year of streaming availability.”
http://www.variety.com/article/VR111…ryId=2821&cs=1
To me, while the DGA deal has some bad numbers, the biggest problem — a real “strike issue” — is the cap on residuals for Internet streaming. As more traditional re-use (reruns, foreign, etc.) is replaced with ad-supported streaming, any capped residual would eventually result in a rollback, even if that day has not yet come.
I was prepared to vote against any deal with a capped residual for streaming, because I don’t want to have to strike again in three years. I let the leadership know that. This is an interesting middle ground, which at least protects our future. I will give it some serious consideration, especially if the guild got some other improvements on the DGA deal.
As soon as Nick Counter gets back from Africa and all the tremendous work he’s been doing with Mountain Gorillas, we’ll see what’s what.
http://nickcounterfanclub.blogspot.com/
I have followed all the strike coverage from the beginning, but I have not commented until now.
What is lost in all this discussion of Writers vs. Studio/Networks is the thousands of people who are effected by the strike who are not writers, actors, directors or moguls. The many creative people who do not receive residuals of any kind (i.e. DP’s, Production Designers, Editors, Sound Designers, etc.) or the rest of the supposedly non creative people who support the whole machinery have been given only lip service by everyone. These noncreative people don’t care that that Writers are used to residuals, for in their lives if they don’t work, they don’t get paid.
The writers are not striking in a vacuum. The MultiNational CEO’s are expected to be greedy bastards, and have proven it time and again. They are interested in their stock price and profits, not in anyone who works in the businesses they rule. On behalf of the people who will lose their houses or have their lives upended by a strike that they will NEVER benefit from, it is time for the SELFISHNESS to end.
Those of us non-writers who initially supported the Writer’s in their endeavor, have grown weary of watching our co-workers and colleagues endure unemployment, uncertainty and stress that cannot be mended. I remain optimistic that a settlement can be reached soon, but fear if no deal is brokered soon that the strike will extend to fall.
Surely the writers can see that if no deal is forthcoming, the entire narrative in the public arena will change. The Writers have had much support within and outside the industry. The story goes like this: The Writers are Creative Davids standing up to the Goliath’s in suits. IF the WGA fails to make a deal now and the strike drags on for months longer, the writer’s will lose their support not just within their own organization. The narrative will change to something like: Writer’s were not Davids and never were David. They were just bad negotiators. They fooled us with their storytelling abilities. I have already begun to hear this story developing. There is real anger brewing in the industry against the Writers.
I have no conclusion because this whole discussion will not be decided by anyone who gives a shit about the rest of us.
to “long time writer” –
“I have yet to talk to ONE [writer] who says he or she has put pressure on the Guild to accept the DGA deal.” Really? Maybe you haven’t talked to them, but how about John Wells and Craig Mazin.
That’s two.
“have you ever actually written on a show that is streaming online? I bet maybe 3 or 4 of you would actually make any money on a show that is streamed online, the fact is that the majority of writers shows aren’t even re-broadcast online.”
Yes, I write for a show (Family Guy) that is streaming online, and making plenty of money for Fox.
And unless and until Fox and the other studios agree to a deal that’d pay writers a fair fraction of the profits they’re earning off my show (and others), I’ll keep doing what I’ve been doing every weekday for the past 3+ months: walking the picket line.
Patrick Meighan
Culver City, CA
I desperately want to get back to work, but after all of this, I’m sure as hell not going to vote for a warmed-over version of the DGA deal. It’s got to at least close the free-viewing window, get streaming residuals paid on a sliding scale, and close the jurisdictional minimum loopholes. The idea that we’ve shown that we’d be willing to strike again in 3 years is ridiculous. What we take now, we’re going to be stuck with.
Given that all the leaks about the strike being “over” are coming from the studios and the media, which has barely covered the strike at all, is suddenly trumpeting this deal from the highest mountain fills me with a great amount of suspicion. Feels to me like a set-up for smashing disappointment and an attempt to pressure us into accepting this before we even know what it is. Hope they prove me wrong.
BTW, Tad, I’d love to see some of the “benign” statements the AMPTP issued during all this that Verrone took issue with. I do not think the word “benign” is in their playbook…
Nikki — I don’t understand what you mean by saying “Don’t silence them at this critical juncture.” Who would be silencing whom? But that’s not why I called.
Listen up, everyone: Today’s deal/this week’s deal is, with window-dressing, the DGA deal. The WGA will never ever get a better deal than the DGA. That’s been true for 50 or so years, and it will be true when the dust settles.
So, if you writers don’t get us back to work and soon, as in now, we — individually and as an industry — are in trouble — or at the very least, at the edge of a new absyss — got your bungee cord? Do you think any of the networks or studios will regret a truncated (as in “no”) pilot season? Doesn’t mean they won’t make a few high-probability pilot/series commitments with, uh lemme see, uh probably the guys who are already showrunners and living in $4 million houses on the Westside. The rest of you — still happy you walked the picket lines? Ah, but look at the upside: remind me — how many dollars per second of ad-supported internet streaming are you going to get for every 2 minutes of your script streamed over my computer? How much? Wow. Tick tick tick.
One sidenote: Thanks to Gil Cates for creating the “informal talks” Trojan horse which when used by the WGA “leadership” enabled them to get in the room with the studios. If the AMPTP is giving the WGA this face-saving cover, do you think in a million years it’s also going to give them a deal that’s in any way better than the DGA’s?
Here’s the part I just don’t get… Holding out for a better deal than DGA would make all the sense in the world if the strike was about something REAL. At present the BANDWIDTH for steaming and downloads is already so overtaxed that the cable dudes are restricting subscribers who regularly stream or download what they consider to be too much content.. So this is all about money that can’t really be made until Internet 2.0. At least five years from now
If this strike really lasts until June, do you realize how many people’s lives and careers will be destroyed forever? This is what I’m talking about! Why can you people not understand what you’re doing here?
At least Happy Gate Picketer is still walking, and so am I.
I’m in no way predisposed to vote against a deal I still haven’t seen, but even if I were, Writer (if that’s your real name), that’s no worse than failing to show up and picket during this crucial time when your Guild leadership is imploring you to do so.
Let’s keep going, and hopefully we can have a deal shortly!
I talked to a showrunner – whom I will not out – who signed that letter that went to WGA mgmt pressuring them. Someone must have access to it.. It does exist.
I think if the deal is bad, and WGA accepts then they will lose the respect of many of their supporters, including me.
victoria
okay, i’m still out there. not every day. not for three hours at a time. but i still go because i still largely believe in what we’re fighting for.
but… every single person that i’ve talked to on the line is ready for this to be OVER. we’re not going to get everything we want. i’m not willing to sit out for another 6 months for get a slightly better percentage than what we’re being offered now. it’s the diehards that are posting on here, and it’s the diehards that are willing to stick this out until the entire town goes to hell. the rest of us… the WORKING writers know that we’re getting fucked. but if we’re gonna get fucked anyway, let’s get fucked now, and get it over with. hell, i sort of understand the whole iger philosophy of not letting the guild membership vote on the deal. there are plenty of people out there who would rather be striking writers than unemployed writers. me, i just want to get back to work. enough is enough.
So Verrone is caving because 30 douchebag “moderates” threatened to go public and undermine his leadership? Then what’s he gonna do when THREE THOUSAND writers go public with their anger toward him for making us walk in circles three months for a shitty deal?
Leaders, do not sell us out! We get to vote on this!!!
“One source claimed that the WGA’s numbers were “quadruple” what was really the truth.” You know the first thing lost is war is the truth. If this was your information, that you went to war with, I’m sorry your a bunch stupid losers. An informed decision has to be based on facts. If your facts were wrong as the statement implies and you get a slightly better deal than the DGA you had better take it. There won’t be a better one.
From what I’ve heard so far, this streaming deal is DVD 2.
Aside from those 30 self-hating moderates, who exactly is going to vote YES for that?
This whole thing sucks on so many levels I can’t even come up with a snarky comment. Snark amongst yourselves.
You guys, please stop with the strike. Enough.