UPDATE: Tonight I received the news that AFTRA national president Roberta Reardon and officers
including Susan Boyd Joyce, Denny Delk, Bob Edwards, Matt Kimbrough, Shelby Scott held their national meeting and approved a formal rift with their stepsister actors union SAG. They then went to SAG’s national board meeting and declared that AFTRA won’t negotiate jointly with the Screen Actors Guild on the new primetime TV contract. This, in spite of a long-time agreement by AFTRA to bargain jointly with SAG and not undercut rates. So basically those “make nice” pronouncements of recent days are out the window. And all because of a blown-way-out-proportion incident involving AFTRA, SAG and the soap opera The Bold And The Beautiful. Now AFTRA has taken such an extreme position that not even the AFL-CIO may be able to rein it in.
The AFTRA maneuver is disingenuous, bordering on slightly dishonest, because I’m told the union has known about the B&B incident for weeks and done nothing until this weekend. Then there’s the curious and convenient timing of an obviously planted story in the Los Angeles Times Saturday, designed to give Reardon some protective cover. So it now looks like tonight’s announcement was a carefully planned 11th hour ploy by her to get out of joint bargaining and justify AFTRA’s going it alone. My sources assure me that AFTRA has false concerns because SAG has no interest in organizing daytime. If anything, the concern is justified the other way around because AFTRA is already treading on SAG’s scripted TV turf by repping, for example, both Damage and Dirt.
It was hardly a secret, much less a scoop, that the Emmy-winning star of The Bold And The Beautiful, Susan Flannery, has for some time now circulated a petition to decertify AFTRA as the union representing the actors on the long-running soap. But, suddenly, the LA Times was exaggerating a minor matter whereby SAG’s national executive director Doug Allen was approached by two B&B actors for a meeting. When the duo launched into a litany of complaints about AFTRA’s representation, witnesses tell me that Allen properly turned them aside and sent them back to AFTRA. But it took the LAT until the 11th paragraph to convey that salient point. And the paper never bothered to mention that these two B&B cast members were also SAG members since there are many dual cardholders.
This is, after all, the very same newspaper that took every side but the WGA’s when the striking writers were pressured by the moguls and the directors. And the same newspaper that ignored the recent AFTRA-SAG blame game when AFTRA was at fault. Yet the LAT on Saturday was breathlessly reporting how “AFTRA officials were upset at SAG for not telling them about the meeting until two weeks after the fact, according to Reardon.” Interesting that she timed her public hissy fit to the very weekend when both AFTRA and SAG national boards were meeting on the eve of the two guilds starting joint negotiations on the primetime TV contract.
I’m told from inside AFTRA’s board confab that Reardon “misrepresented the incident to blame Doug Allen for encouraging poaching and raiding even though that’s not the case. Reardon said it was the straw that broke the camel’s back. She’s using this as an excuse because she’s wanted to get out of Phase One for the past year.”
Reardon acolytes keep claiming that SAG’s so-called “Membership First” leadership clique is causing all the current trouble with AFTRA. Don’t misunderstand me: there’s plenty of petty nonsense going on inside both camps. But it’s painful to watch the actors guilds battle amongst themselves (or even the actors inside SAG) with that June deadline bearing down. I sense real concern that dual cardholders may not stay loyal in the event of a SAG strike. Which serves to explain why this latest Reardon move looks like an AFTRA ploy to further encroach on SAG’s jurisdiction by offering inferior terms on contracts. While SAG accounts for 100% of motion pictures and about 90+% of television, AFTRA has 3 shows under this primetime TV contract. Now it appears that AFTRA is going to negotiate those on its own, thus continuing the union’s shameful history of pay undercuts and residuals giveaways that have compromised actors for years. Lots of casts are still unhappy with AFTRA’s basic cable deals, and its penchant for lousy one-time-only pacts, so there will be more when AFTRA folds on primetime contract points. Why, it’s a Big Media mogul’s wet dream!
But here’s what Reardon said in a statement Saturday night:
“AFTRA’s primary goal is to improve and protect the working lives of performers. During the past year, AFTRA has fought hard and expended an enormous amount of time, energy and resources to maintain the integrity of our Phase One joint bargaining process with the Screen Actors Guild, so we could sit across the table from the industry with total and unequivocal unity. Unfortunately, SAG leadership has made this impossible. For the past year SAG leadership in Hollywood has engaged in a relentless campaign of disinformation and disparagement, culminating in a recent attempt to decertify a AFTRA daytime soap opera. As a result of this continued and ongoing behavior by SAG leadership, which at its core harms all working performers and the labor movement, we find ourselves unable to have any confidence in their ability to live up to the principles of partnership and union solidarity. AFTRA believes it must devote its full energies to working on behalf of performers, and not wasting time assessing whether our partner is being honest with us. With this in mind, the AFTRA National Board today voted overwhelmingly in favor of suspending Phase One, and negotiating the primetime television contract on our own. We are now prepared to move forward and negotiate a strong contract for our members as soon as possible. This action was taken in the hope that someday, the historic trust between these two organizations can be rebuilt – in the best interests of all performers.”
SAG President Alan Rosenberg also released a statement, and sounded pissed:
“We remain focused on negotiating the best terms for actors covered by the TV Theatrical contract. We spent weeks working with our fellow actors in AFTRA on joint proposals to improve the lives of all working actors. AFTRA’s refusal now to bargain together and their last second abandonment of the joint process is calculated, cynical and serves the interests of their institution not its members.”
Naturally, the AMPTP chimed in from the sidelines, since the Big Media companies have been watching with glee while AFTRA beats up on SAG:
“On February 14th, just after we concluded our agreement with the writers, we called for our negotiations with actors to begin promptly. Today we are pleased that to learn that AFTRA is also ready to begin talks immediately. We are determined, as we have always been, to work hard and bargain reasonably with the actors’ unions so that we can all avoid another harmful, unnecessary strike.”
Finally, very late Saturday night, Reardon sent this email signed “in solidarity” to AFTRA members:
March 29, 2008
Dear AFTRA Member,
AFTRA’s primary goal is to improve and protect the working lives of performers. During the past year, AFTRA has fought hard and expended an enormous amount of time, energy and resources to maintain the integrity of our Phase One joint bargaining process with the Screen Actors Guild, so we could sit across the table from the industry with total and unequivocal unity. Unfortunately, SAG leadership has made this impossible. For the past year SAG leadership in Hollywood has engaged in a relentless campaign of disinformation and disparagement, culminating in a recent attempt to decertify a AFTRA daytime soap opera.
AFTRA recently became aware that leaders of SAG have involved themselves in a campaign to encourage cast members on the CBS daytime drama “The Bold and the Beautiful” to decertify AFTRA as their union. The people leading this drive apparently believe that decertifying AFTRA would further the goal of having one union for all actors. In fact, it would do the opposite. If successful, it would leave the performers on “The Bold and the Beautiful” stripped of any union representation and uncovered by any union contract. This situation is sadly not surprising given SAG Hollywood leadership’s ongoing campaign of misinformation to disparage AFTRA.
The truth is that the existing AFTRA contract for daytime series provides players with strong provisions regarding crediting, overtime rates, and vacation days. Year after year, AFTRA has consistently won raises and improvements for daytime players—despite the efforts of networks and producers to cut costs at daytime serials. A vote to decertify would strip the cast of “The Bold and the Beautiful” of all these hard-fought gains. To achieve anything close to what the AFTRA contract offers, the cast would have to negotiate from scratch—perhaps even strike—without the support of performers covered by the Network TV Code.
The involvement of SAG leaders in the effort to remove AFTRA from a show covered by an AFTRA contract violates all norms of union solidarity. But this most recent situation, along with the continued and ongoing behavior by SAG Hollywood leadership, which harms all working performers and the labor movement, forced us to confront on the eve of negotiations the very painful question: how could we sit beside SAG at the bargaining table at the same time that its leaders in Hollywood are conspiring to undermine the gains we’ve achieved for all performers?
AFTRA’s leadership believes that our union must devote its energies first and foremost to working on behalf of performers, and not waste any more time assessing whether our partner is being honest with us. With this in mind, the AFTRA National Board today voted overwhelmingly in favor of suspending Phase One, and negotiating the primetime television contract on our own. We are now prepared to move forward and negotiate a strong contract for our members as soon as possible.
This action –suspension rather than termination — was taken with the understanding that many among SAG’s leadership are as troubled by the events that have led us to this point as we are, and in the hope that someday, the historic trust between these two organizations can be rebuilt – in the best interests of all performers.
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Meanwhile, here are all my recent SAG-AFTRA stories:
- SAG & AFTRA Actually Agree On Proposals
- LA Mayor Tells Hollywood Guilds: “We Must Keep This Town Working”
- AFTRA Ratifies Network News Contract
- AFL-CIO Puts Out SAG/AFTRA Flame War: “Joint Negotiating”
- More SAG/AFTRA Battling Back And Forth
- SAG/AFTRA Contract Talks With AMPTP May Start Week Of March 31st
- Joint SAG/AFTRA Meetings Scheduled
- AFTRA Announces Tentative Agreement On Network TV Code
- EXCLUSIVE: Big Media Moguls And SAG Leaders Meet Secretly
- SAG Board Member Urges AFTRA Boycott
- AFTRA Sets March 10th Deadline To Know If SAG Will Start Talks Early
- SAG’s Rosenberg Calls AFTRA Claim “Perplexing” And Wants Explanation
- AFTRA Leader Claims Joint Resolution With SAG “Erroneous”
- Huh? No SAG-AFTRA Lovefest After All?
- SAG & AFTRA Together To Set Talks Date
- Summit Of AFL-CIO, SAG, AFTRA Leaders
Editor-in-Chief Nikki Finke - tip her here.


*waves from the Totally Shocked By This Move seats*
A heartfelt good luck to the actors in their upcoming negotiation. Seriously, I hope it works out for you guys.
But, damn, that’s messed up right there.
SAG has spent its time and money over the past year making the stupidest moves I have ever seen adults make. The MembershipFirst leadership is to blame. They have now attained what they wanted all along and now they are completely powerless. How could they allow prominent members among them to stage raiding parties on AFTRA shows just at this crucial time?
If SAG members wish to complete the suicide mission they can go ahead and re-elect these Hollywood All-Thumbs.
Meanwhile, make sure your AFTRA card is paid up.
What the HELL are you thinking AFTRA? This only hurts actors in BOTH unions. You are playing into the hands of the AMPTP. Think it through and for the love of my dues money, CHANGE YOUR MIND! I am ashamed to be a member of AFTRA. But I will always be proud to be a member if SAG.
UNITED WE STAND…DIVIDED WE FALL AFTRA.
The Allens blew it. You can’t raid a union and negotiate with them at the same time.
I wish I could say I’m surprised, but I’m not.
After going through the joint preparation process with SAG to put together the proposal package, after leaving the folks on the SAG side feeling – just this week! – like AFTRA and SAG are in unanimity on every issue, they go and do this???
Such an action begs questions. Did AFTRA engage in the joint process with SAG all this time, learning all about everything SAG’s members want and leadership is going to ask for, knowing the entire time they had absolutely zero intention of actually negotiating jointly with SAG??? Did SAG, by working with AFTRA, simply (to use a salesman’s term) educate their feet???
SAG needs to ask itself some questions too. Are there compromises in its negotiating positions the guild would not have taken had it not been for AFTRA involvement??? Was the net effect of AFTRA’s involvement in the joint W & W process one of watering down positions that would otherwise have been stronger? Should SAG step back, take a breather, put off formal negotiations for a spell, and revisit W & W sans AFTRA???
SAG totally had the WGA’s back during their recent strike. AFTRA was nowhere to be found.
AFTRA has chosen over the past few years to strengthen itself at the expense of its sister union, instead of doing the hard work of organizing non-unionized workplaces that should be organized. Ask AFTRA what they have done to bring cable news into the fold. Ask them what other organizing of non-union shops they have done. Ask them which scripted shows they’ve gotten over the past decade that wouldn’t otherwise be SAG shows – shows like Damages and Dirt.
Between SAG and AFTRA, who’s been the stronger on workers’ rights issues? Solidarity with the WGA and even guilds outside the entertainment industry???
Going forward, I urge AFTRA to reconsider its go-it-alone position on negotiations. SAG, meanwhile, should feel under no circumstances bound in any way to any provision AFTRA may negotiate separately with the AMPTP. SAG needs to continue to be the gold standard.
Amazing the amount of damage a bruised ego can produce. I wasn’t in the room, but I bet this comes down to pissed off individuals not thinking about the good of the members they represent. No question about it, the two companies negotiating as one is better for them (especially better for AFTRA). But, someone needed a hug and now everyone gets a new drama to follow on DHD.
signed – someone who enjoys a good drama, except when it impacts their income.
Ouch!
And I mean it. I hope the SAG manages to work things out with individual AFTRA actors and screws their leadership. At least I hope so.
Hey the summer could get interesting. Like the Writer’s strike made winter. It’s going to be interesting to see how it all plays out.
I’m a member of SAG and AFTRA (pity me) and am thoroughly disappointed with AFTRA’s behavior. There needs to be only ONE UNION for actors, not two. AFTRA is fighting for survival because I’ve been told it’s nearly bankrupt, and so any edge it can get to gain more contracts for actors (with little concern over how good those contracts are) is a desperate attempt to stay afloat. This in no way serves its membership. Note to AFTRA — just give it up. There shouldn’t be any ego involved when representing your members — and the best thing is one union for actors; if that means major changes for AFTRA, then so be it.
AFTRA’s leaving joint negotiations with current SAG leadership is like a patient poker player finally deciding to opt out of a game of with a cheater who cadges cards, denies it, swears he’ll quit shamming, and does the same freak/joker dance again and again. Current SAG Hollywood leadership suffers from the tragic aging Hollywood actors’ syndrome of rage-against-the-machine & an accompanying need to find a boogie man to blame. They have taken anti-union shots at AFTRA all year – a union to which all working actors belong – in a vain attempt to hide their having organized no SAG work for members in years and for hijacking protection for actors by cheating us out of an Agency Franchise Agreement. Picture a hybrid claque of the worst of the Bush Admin with a dash of Ronald Reagan’s hubris and middling acting career-turned pol, and you have an idea of who is leading our Screen Actors Guild down a precipitously self-destructive path.
AFTRA had no choice but to go it alone with the AMPTP. SAG & AFTRA members wish them the best of luck. They appear to be the only sane actors union players in an increasingly swampy labor landscape in Hollywood. AFTRA, bully for you. SAG, puleez elect new leaders in the Fall and replace the long-ago footballer who wears the tie & top-hat at your helm.
Mark this down: AFTRA chooses not to negotiate jointly with SAG. Next AFTRA will bow and kiss the ass of the AMPTP.
The AMPTP will proclaim how easy it is to negotiate with open minded AFTRA.
Next the AMPTP will issue press releases announcing how stubborn and greedy SAG is.
AFTRA’s lips will be mighty AMPTP brown.
AFTRA,
We will be taking you over from the inside and we will destroy you. Plain and simple. There are more actors in AFTRA than any other category.
WE WILL TAKE YOU OVER AND DESTROY YOU. FROM THE INSIDE.
I used to be proud of my membership in AFTRA.
A couple days ago, I got a tiny residual for “Joan of Arcadia.” A couple weeks before that, I got an even tinier one for “Huff.” Both AFTRA contracts.
I’m no expert on AFTRA history. I don’t know why it’s changed so in recent years, but they seem to be selling the work of actors at Wal-mart prices. The AMPTP has got to love them. Our AFTRA session fees are lower than under S.A.G., and residuals are puny to none.
I used to feel a moral obligation to pay my AFTRA dues even though I hardly ever worked their contracts. I’m ready to go on “honorable withdrawal,” and, when I can, avoid working under AFTRA’s jurisdiction.
Maybe AFTRA will be a better union if focuses on representing announcers and newscasters, singers and sportscasters.
Let the Screen ACTORS Guild be the bargaining unit for …. ACTORS.
For 25 years, I thought AFTRA and S.A.G. should merge, until I realized how weak and unfocused AFTRA is, with so many constituencies. Phase 1 was supposed to be a step toward merger, but where has it gotten us?
I occasionally do voiceovers for moveon.org and other liberal to radical groups. The agency that hires me recently switched from AFTRA contacts to S.A.G. The agency is strongly pro-labor and they must have realized that their employees are better off working under an S.A.G. contract.
I may be naive, but I think S.A.G. will be able to focus better on what actors need. They should be able to fight for us without the weak-kneed partner, always ready to play Let’s Make a Deal — Any Deal.
Dave Clennon
To my dedicated SAG board members who’ve been locked away negotiating with AFTRA over the last week- Thank you.
It is now up to the membership, especially dual card holders of both AFTRA & SAG. It’s time to unite and be heard. Whether affected, unaffected, or celebrity; stand up and be heard for what union you want deciding the future of our contracts.
“If you’re going through hell, keep going.”
— Winston Churchill
So if I am Nick Counter what do I do in response to this? Cut a quick deal with the IA based on the WGA/DGA terms. Then offer AFTRA jurisdiction over new media and deny SAG jurisdiction over new media. That forces SAG to strike to get it which will probably be a disaster in light of the exhaustion of public support after the 3 month WGA strike. Meanwhile, AFTRA will be ready to sign up all sorts of deals under its new CBA leaving SAG holding the BAG!
Pardon me btraven but if you think that the public is ‘exhausted’ by support for the writers and their strike, you are seriously misreading the public. For your sake I hope you’re not currently running for public office with that clear misperception of the zeitgeist we’re feeling out here in the cheap seats.
While out here in the audience we are seeing friends and family members lose houses and all kinds of assets thanks to a few greedy and corrupt idiots in charge of the so-called FIRE (for Financial, Insurance & Real Estate) economy we are increasingly learning that it’s really a greedy few victimizing countless others and looking to the government and the rest of us to bail them out just so they can maximize their ill-gotten gains to the nth degree…take a look at guys like Mozillo of Countrywide or Cayne of Bear Stearns and how they’ve cashed out and left everyone else not to mention their companies high and dry. Does that pattern sound familiar to you? Because it’s the template for Hollywood mogul behavior and you can bet it’s deeply angered a lot of the public.
So when the writers drew parallels about how their big bosses were looting and pillaging Hollywood at the expense of everyone else just so a few moguls at the top could continue to take home tens of millions of dollars each year, where did you really think the public’s sympathy is going to lie? With Rupert Murdoch?
The actor’s story is really just the next act in this saga. And while the (corporate owned) media is going to try to sell this as folks at the level of a Clooney, Pitt, Jolie or Cruise wanting yet another guest house in some suitably fashionable and pricey locale, people increasingly distrust the mainstream media for their real news and how it really affects them.
We out here in the viewing public are increasingly learning that most actors make even less than we do at our ‘real jobs’. Do you honestly think that Joe and Jane Public are hot to see the likes of one union try to undersell another with the net result being the moguls taking home even more ill-gotten gains than they already have?
I am saddened by the fact that the two unions who represent actors can’t figure out how to work together against their common adversary: the AMPTP and its moguls. But I wouldn’t count the public or SAG out just yet.
I would however bet against the moguls because the public is “mad as hell and [they're] not going to take it any more”
AFTRA’s contracts are a JOKE. Did you know that even the current $425 that Los Angeles actors earn for radio commercials is ONLY because Los Angeles agents adopted that as the pay figure?? AFTRA’s lousy minimum is actually only $200 plus change!! Even voiceover actors would get the shaft from AFTRA if it wasn’t for their agents. There needs to be a vote among ALL ACTORS, under the watch of the National Labor Board, and pick between SAG and AFTRA for ALL WORK once and for all. I guarantee you the only ones who would choose AFTRA are the ones who are sitting on AFTRA boards or committees.
Roberta Reardon is a sorry, sad woman.
Et Tu, AFTRA? If I didn’t need to be AFTRA for Voiceover, I’d quit the union. Losers. Counter and the AMPTP Boys are having orgasms over this. Bailing at the last minute was Reardon’s plan all along…if you guys fuck this up, and we end up striking, and MORE people lose their jobs, their careers, because of the monumental incompetence I see from AFTRA and SAG too, because they let these AFTRA fools 3-card monty them,then what the abov poster said will happen. Actors will destroy AFTRA from the inside, any way we can. What SAG should do is cut them off, right now, and toss them out of all the office space they share. They want to go solo? fine. Get the fuck out of the building then. Negotiate from your favorite chair at starbucks, fuckers.
Nikki’s is all over this shiz like white on rice, as usual. Love it. Keep those motha’s exposed and in line, girl!
AFTRA OR SAG? HMMM. LET’S JUST LOOK AT THE RATES:
AFTRA ON-CAMERA PROMO $305 +10%
SAG ON-CAMERA COMMERCIAL $567 .10 + residuals
AFTRA TV u/5 $367 +10% (Sometime not even a +10%!)
SAG TV u/5/ Principal $759 +10%
ACTORS WILL GET LESS IF AFTRA TAKES MORE SHOWS, NOT LESS!
It’s obvious that AFTRA leadership is trying to take this opportunity to undercut SAG in the upcoming contract negotiations at the sake of it’s membership. It’s like two parents arguing and one parent deciding to use the kids to manipulate the situation for their own gain. And not thinking about how this affects the kids. This is why SAG has been and always will be the stronger and best union. It may not be perfect but it has a strong history of doing its best to represent its kids ( membership ). Of course as actors we need to be strong in order to face the upcoming negotiations. There’s a saying… you’re only as strong as your weekest link. Can you say… opportunistic? Nuff said.
David Clennon should know more facts before he complains….”Joan of Arcadia” & “Huff’ were both done under contracts EXACTLY like SAG’s – they were co-negotiated. Same small checks under SAG.
It’s just this kind of shooting from the hip, knowing NO facts, that inflames discussions in this town.
Like Nikki, et al, wondering, “Where was AFTRA during the WGA strike?” Aside from the fact that many AFTRA members DID walk the line, AFTRA was deliberately kept out of any processes prior to the strike–at the request of SAG– never invited to negotiations, or to any of the pre- meetings held between SAG & WGA. One might then ask what was AFTRA’s role supposed to be, when our primary bargaining partner engineers AFTRA’s absence?
And no one at AFTRA ‘needs a hug’ (as suggested above). The B&B issue is merely the final straw in what has been a year rife wth lies, abuse, subtrefuge and raiding activity. At some point, you just gotta say enough.
The Guild has wrought this.
Maybe SAG members will look a little more deeply into what’s been going on in their name, and at their elected leaders who planned all this.
Maybe they’ll look at SAG’s cable contracts and wonder why SAG is exporting their jobs with their one-size-fits-all contract.
Maybe they’ll decide if they like being represented by an NED who is thought of by industry as a bully and a liar.
Maybe they’ll decide they prefer organizing jobs to raiding jobs.
I’m a member of SAG and this gives me no pleasure to say….
You wrote–
“Which serves to explain why this latest Reardon move looks like an AFTRA ploy to further encroach on SAG’s jurisdiction by offering inferior terms on contracts.”
Gee–ya think??? Where have you been for the past six years?
But with Doug Allen negotiating, not for the SAG membership, but for the glorification of his own massive ego, why should he care who else he alienates anyway? Can’t he pick this fight with AFTRA another day? Even if it’s deserved?
Looks like the possibility of another baseless strike is on the horizon because of bad leadership of yet another guild. And more innocent people will be hurt in its wake.
VDOVault: I’m a WGA member, and I’m firmly convinced that our strike killed support for ANY strike among the public at large. I can guarantee you that the public will not support SAG or AFTRA should they strike. People just want to see their shows or movies–they really couldn’t care less about who’s making what or who’s screwing over whom.
I’m confused now. Wasn’t it Reardon that waved that Phase I documentation at SAG and told them the lawyers said they couldn’t go it alone? And now when it suits them, they plan to go it alone? Aren’t they bound by the same documentation?
Sounds like they are spies for the AMPTP as in find out what SAG will ask for and what it is willing to give up in negotiation, so they can strip that first and then make them compromise on what they don’t want to lose in the name of negotiation, like they did to the WGA.
I think it’s time for the AFTRA membership to be heard… whether they are in agreement to the positions of their leadership. Are the AFTRA membership in agreeent to go it alone and undercut themselves? Is this what they voted on when they elected her? Have they voted and told her what they want now?
I don’t understand Membership First, but it seems likes AFTRA leadership has just been on a power trip.
As for the LA Times, I cancelled my subscription because of their coverage of the writers and every time they call me with a deal to get me back, I tell them why in no uncertain terms they lost me. They actually have the nerve to deny it and calling me a liar is not the way to get my subscription back.