

EXCLUSIVE (Keep refreshing for latest updates): I can now report that the negotiations between the Screen Actors Guild and the AMPTP are not making any progress with both sides very far apart and very frustrated. Negotiators for the Hollywood CEOs are privately making it clear they plan to make a deal first with AFTRA in order to use that as a wedge to soften up SAG. And, get this — my sources tell me that the AMPTP is now prepared to wait out SAG for a deal until as late as mid-July. Which means the Big Media moguls are virtually daring SAG to strike when its contract expires the end of June.
I am, frankly, appalled. It’s already clear that this week’s move by the AMPTP to delay the start of talks with AFTRA is an utter sham. A game plan is already in place, just like the one that the AMPTP worked up to try to foil the WGA’s contract demands. For that scenario, the AMPTP used the DGA to soften up the WGA. In the end, the WGA-AMPTP deal was incrementally better but not by much.
The AMPTP is furious that SAG negotiators are intent on getting a better deal for its actor members than the WGA’s or the DGA’s on formulas for both New Media and also DVD residuals.
Here’s what’s happened so far as of the 9th day of bargaining. Both sides have presented their terms. SAG has now responded to the AMPTP’s New Media proposals, which I understand are simply a restatement of the DGA and WGA deals. Both Peter Chernin and Bob Iger in backchannel talks with SAG leadership, including during a session as recently as the 2nd week in April, have been repeatedly saying that the studios and networks won’t budge on those previously agreed-to numbers. In turn, the SAG leadership insist that the actors have different needs than either the writers or directors — and that, as a result, SAG will not back down from revisiting the DVD residual formulas or substantially bettering the New Media numbers as well.
I’m told the SAG negotiators did spend a day and a half recently posing questions to the AMPTP side in order to present their initial counterproposals. But I’m told the AMPTP thinks those counterproposals offer only glacial movement from SAG’s original proposals. In turn, the AMPTP came back with its own set of questions for SAG. But I understand that only the barest of movement by the studios and networks’ latest offer is anticipated.
The result is a near-stalemate at this early juncture. The AMPTP, I’m told, doesn’t anticipate any substantial movement in the talks next week — so I’m not sure why the network and studio negotiators even bothered to ask AFTRA to delay the start of their negotiations. Unless it was to create artificial drama and present SAG in the worst possible light, which is exactly what the AMPTP did over and over with the WGA.
I predict that, after May 5th, the AMPTP will put the SAG talks on a de facto hiatus and focus instead on making a quick and far less costly agreement with AFTRA which, after all, has a long history of making less lucrative deals for actors with the networks and studios. Once that’s done, Hollywood will surely have to suffer during what will be a long period of uncertainty while the AMPTP either stays away from the bargaining table — again, just like it did with the WGA — or conducts what can only be termed disingenuous negotiating. All the while, of course, the AMPTP PR machinery will blame SAG for “wanting” to bring the Industry to another grinding halt.
But let’s be perfectly clear about what’s fact and what’s fiction. And the fact is that the AMPTP right now is already prepared not to close a deal with SAG until, my sources say, even as late as the middle of July. I do hope that SAG can restrain itself when its contract expires at the end of June and hold off calling a strike for a reasonable period after that. Still, with that kind of uncertainty hanging over the entertainment business, I forsee more turmoil.
But there’s no need for that. If the networks and studios want to demonstrate their seriousness right now, they will have Chernin and Iger immediately step in and take over the negotiations with SAG. Those two in the end made the deal with the writers, and they can make the deal with the biggest actors union, too. What much smaller AFTRA does or doesn’t do with its handful of primetime scripted network shows (and no motion pictures) will have no effect on the SAG leadership, trust me. What could have an efect is if IATSE’s Tom Short gets involved and, for once, puts pressure on Chernin, Iger, et al, to act in a more timely fashion. After all, Short’s membership will only suffer otherwise. There’s no good reason to wait until July. The moguls will still have to partially meet SAG’s demands sooner or later because time is simply on the side of the big actors union as long as it doesn’t implement a strike. Make a deal and make it now.
UPDATE: SAG JUST SENT TO MEMBERS ITS 2008 CONTRACT REPORT #2 ABOUT NEW MEDIA (IT’S A FOLLOW-UP TO #1 ABOUT MIDDLE INCOME ACTORS):
SAG CONTRACT 2008 REPORT
Number 2 — New Media
April 24, 2008
SAG and the AMPTP have been meeting since negotiations began on April 15. Our proposals address many of the new media issues specifically confronting actors today. Below is information on this important topic.
Why Is New Media Important To Actors?
Today 134 million Americans (or 3 in 4 Internet users) view online videos each month. This means over 9 billion videos are watched online per month. YouTube alone has over 200 million unique visitors every month. This year the leading 100 media companies will realize an estimated $20.7 billion in Internet revenue. And advertisers will spend $2.9 billion annually on online video ads by 2010. All this adds up to tremendous opportunities for actors.What is the current state of affairs in new media?
• This season some shows are being streamed live multiple times before the episode is scheduled to broadcast.
• Some series have their entire catalog of episodes available for ad supported streaming.
• Ad supported streams, downloads for rental and electronic sell through of feature films are now available.
• Some made-for new media content is moving to broadcast television.
• Made-for new media content is being created to complement the coming fall broadcast lineup.
• Subscription services are offering unlimited streams of their television and film catalogs to subscribers.
• Producers are setting up new studio systems for the creation and distribution of new media content.
• Producers are editing library content down to snack size pieces for new media distribution.Here’s what we are asking for:
1. Reasonable minimums for actors’ work in content made-for new media.
2. Reasonable residuals for actors’ work in content made-for new media.
3. Reasonable residuals for actors’ work in content moved over from traditional media to new media.
4. Reasonable protections and compensation for actors’ work moved over from new media to traditional media.What About Jurisdiction in New Media?
SAG is not asking for jurisdiction in new media to be granted by the AMPTP because we already have jurisdiction. In fact, through our new media organizing efforts, we have already signed over 400 independent producers to SAG new media contracts and the number is growing daily.Please note that the above is not intended to be an exhaustive list of our proposals. It is just intended to keep you informed of the highlights. We will keep you apprised of developments as the negotiation process continues. Check SAG 24/7 website at http://www.sag.org/contract-2008-tvtheatrical-negotiations. Watch for Contract Report No. 3 on residuals coming to you Friday, April 25.
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Here we go again…
Being forced to pay AFTRA dues every year and never working AFTRA contracts, as well as the piddly rate you DO get when you get an AFTRA job is bad enough, but are they really content to be used like this by the AMPTP to undermine the SAG position? And can SAG get it together and make peace? Can my unions PLEASE get it together and work as one? Or do I need to move to Omaha and teach cold reading.
Watching network tv start to use AFTRA talent…..
Waiting for SAG to say if you’re dual member you can’t do that……
(Not) looking forward to more AMPTP is the devil articles…..
Any writers care to make a reality show out of this?
Best of luck, SAG. May you have the character and fortitude to accomplish what we writers did not. Hold fast.
Oh Doug and Alan,
You are so prophetic. I’m glad you spent a year to dump AFTRA and decided to do this on your own. You really show the strategic thinking of the Children’s Crusade.
I hope you’re happy AFTRA. You’ve sold every actor down the river. Not to mention what you will do to everyone employed by this industry. You could have stood by SAG’s side and tried to do what is in the best interest of ALL actors, but you’re just saving your own ass. I am throughly disgusted with you. This is NOT the time to take the crumbs the AMPTP will dole out to you and to thank them for it, it is a time to stand up for your FAIR share. The fair rate of a product we help create. They just distribute it. One needs the other.
Peggy Lane O’Rourke
For that scenario, the AMPTP used the DGA to soften up the WGA.
Someone tell “Kevin.”
In the end, the WGA-AMPTP deal was incrementally better but not by much.
Indeed. The DGA settled for a shit donut, but the WGA held out till it was glazed.
So how many days this time around? 25? 50? 100, again? Possibly more? Will the gains made in striking, ever make up for the time striking? Anyone?
Well that’s pattern bagaining for you. A strike will not gain anything this time and the whole town will lose again. Soory SAG, but there will not be a better deal than WGA and DGA got – not gonna happen as much I wish it would. Now how far are you gonna go and will you really strike? Once again there is nothing the rest of us in the industry can do but watch and lose with you. Jeez…..
“Writer Bob”, I have already heard the opinion about the DGA negotiations from earlier this year. It doesn’t match with the facts. And it’s not the way the working crews I have served with over the past month feel about the situation. But you’re entitled to share Nikki’s opinion and to have your own.
I am still waiting, now almost two months later, for you to respond to a simple question: If you feel that the DGA should not have begun its negotiations, thus ending the WGA/AMPTP impasse and making it possible for the town to get back to work, then what is your constructive alternative?
The AMPTP was prepared to continue negotiating once the demands about reality, animation, independent contracting and the “no strike” clause came off the table. When the WGA agreed to take those items off, negotiations continued. What solution do you have that could have restarted the talks sooner, other than the WGA taking them off the table sooner? Or did you prefer to remain on strike indefinitely? Can you provide any answer to this?
There is still something up here that none of us are aware of. The fact that the AMPTP would be willing to risk a world of scorn and this time probably Government intervention and investigations by setting off another hugely ruinous strike indicates to me they are privy to information that makes this a worthwhile calculated risk.
I have been racking my brain since our strike trying to figure out what the hell they are up to and I can come up with two scenarios.
1) The AMPTP has some set of financial projections that tell it the internet is about to become an even more wildly successful cash cow and the greedy bastards who run the studios/networks are DETERMINED to keep all the money for themselves, or
2) They are sitting on some as-yet-unannounced delivery method (almost instant streaming?) and they have to get all their ducks in a row (ie fuck the talent) before they announce it.
What else could it be? Guys like Redstone and Moonves and Murdoch are not stupid – they are pricks but they’re not stupid.
They wouldn’t be trying to start another strike unless they had some sinister ulterior motive.
There is a Dark Lord here who has yet to reveal himself….
AnotherWGAMember-
You didn’t happen to write ‘Conspiracy Theory,’ did you?
Or maybe ‘National Treasure 2′?
But I assure you, you are in the right guild. Active imagination, you. Any thoughts on the Kennedy Assassination?
WGAmember you are a paranoid fool. The studios simply do not want to give away pre-break residuals to a bunch of people who are overpaid in the first place.
As a student of military history since the tender age of 12, I’m 29 now, and the military arts boil down to a simple concept: identifying risks and opportunities to minimize the former and exploit the latter as much as possible.
The largest risks come from your fifth-columnists, Quislings, Benedict Arnolds, back-stabbers, AMPTP ass-kissers or whatever you may wish to term them. This is your greatest threat in the short- and medium-term to the success of any strike; in the long term, attrition has to be factored in.
The greatest threat in the short-term comes from your so-called A-list talent. The Cruises, Pitts, Clooneys, Hanks, etc. Tom Hanks only got angsty with the WGA strike when the precious Academy Awards were threatened, but awards season won’t be coming around again till next year, which means there would be less leverage as far as TV goes. However, films are another matter.
Could the AMPTP strategy be to uncouple the TV and Film contract and negotiate for the celluloid medium and over-air or cable broadcasts seperately? Thereby hoping to split SAG between the movie actors and the TV actors?
I also believe that the A-listers may need to be put in their places; especially the one’s who paid to run that ad in that obviously coordinated move with the Studios. They need to be reminded that they may have a lot of greenbacks, but they are vastly outnumbered by the rank-and-file actors. I humbly suggest that they be challenged to each put XXX,XXX or XX,XXX dollars into a strike fund.
Come on kids, can’t we all just get along. This is becoming a painful exercise in banality.
Sure everybody wants to make more money but at what cost?
Will SAG strike over not getting any increase in DVD?
Yes.
Can SAG forget about the window on new media for promotions and just focus on the DVD increase.
It must.
We all know that if SAG gets a DVD increase that will trigger favored nation clauses in the DGA and WGA contracts so let us not fool ourselves. The AMPTP will never allow that to happen without a World War.
The AMPTP will hold out for a year if SAG calls a strike. The studios and network will begin to dip into its libraries; re-edit, re-master, re-hype old movies blockbuster, more reality programming and new AFTRA primetime soap operas to make money. The Spanish Novelas will be remade with American actors.
Mark my words; this is where Ugly Betty came from and there will be others.
A DVD increase is not worth closing this town down indefinitely in a strike. The pennies increase on a DVD deal is not worth a nuclear winter.
Here is my suggestion to pay for the SAG DVD increase — let the consumer pay an extra purchase price for every new DVD sold. Instead of $24.99 make it $25.05 and build in a 6 cents increase for all DVD and movie rentals.
SAG,AFTRA & WGA member
Here we go again, indeed.
While I understand that SAG needs to look out for it’s members and not get screwed, very few of your friendly neighborhood crew folks are going to be able to save up enough to make it through another strike.
While we support any union members trying to fight the good fight, I think I can speak for all the below-the-line workers when I say that I hope this doesn’t drag out for so long.
Here is what I said yesterday:
Personally, I wouldn’t be surprised if the SAG struck July 1 or August 31. This is turning into a major problem for the AMPTP. If they think that they can get massive rollbacks just by ratifying a AFTRA contract (though members would love to leave the guild) and then get SAG to commit to a crummy deal, they have to be kidding themselves. Though I would personally wait until the middle to end of August to strike in order to put max pressure on the Emmys, a July strike has its advantages because Congress doesn’t want to see another Hollywood strike, but if that happens, the AMPTP is up a creek without a paddle.
Totally agree with Peggy’s comment above. AFTRA looks like Fredo in this situation. They’ve sold everyone out.
AnotherWGAmember -
I don’t think the AMPTP is sitting on anything we don’t know about. Go back and read Justine Bateman’s piece over at United Hollywood. We know they’re well on their way to migrating content to the Internet. We know about IPTV. We know their plan is to eventually replace cable television channels with Internet portals like hulu.com. The 2.0 or 3.0 versions of those sites will use IPTV to pump the content through the Internet to our big screen HD televisions.
We know that Netflix cut a deal with LG to deliver their rental library to subscribers through a set-top box connected to the Internet. Blockbuster just announced they’re me-tooing that. Even the porn industry is getting into that game, with the Wildfyre box. That last one could be a backdoor for other companies to distribute their content as well. The box doesn’t care about the rating of the content.
Nikki’s absolutely right. SAG’s going to hold fast, because we know the future of the guild is at stake. The WGA – with all due respect and love for Patric Verrone and the membership – will very likely have to strike again in less than three years just to make the moguls match what the writers used to get from television and DVD before the migration to the Internet, and it will again be a make-or-break for the guild. SAG knows this, and we’d rather the actors set a strong New Media standard with the moguls now, rather than having to revisit this and strike over it again and again.
It is also vital to add that the structure of the actors’ New Media proposal is quite reasonable. We are willing to share in the risks as well as the rewards. We’re truly interested in seeing the AMPTP genuinely partner up with us on this, to the benefit of not just the talent, but the long-term viability of the entire industry.
Oh Christ, here we go again. This site is like a car wreck with body parts strewn about – you know you should turn away and keep driving, but you just have to stop and watch the paramedics take care of the carnage.
I can’t wait to see the terms “shill” and “troll” thrown around by unemployed actors and the writers that are still bitter.
Why should the AMPTP give SAG a better deal than they gave DGA and WGA? It doesn’t make sense. But of course, THEY are the bad guys.
Give it a rest, and accept the deal SAG.
When I was walking the picket line during the writer’s strike.. a guy made a point about how ALL large corporations were connected, an overall strategy when it came to union-busting,and other issues, not just entertainment companies. we need to look at what redstone, et all are doing in a larger context, and see where it fits in to the the larger puzzle. I think our focus is too narrow.
anotherWGAmember…
Content providers (actors / directors / writers) don’t get a CENT in this town unless the other side is forced to give it up… if it’s locked in the contract as a minimum, or if you’re so valuable to the project that you’re worth it to them to cough up more to get you.
Back when VHS came out they called it a ‘new technology’ that needed ‘study’ in order to short-change the content providers. It was the same with DVD… they said they’d bump up the payments later on when the industry matured – but they never did. It’s just the same old pattern where the studios claim poverty and the need to develop a new technology – all the way to the bank. Calling something a ‘non starter’ is just another negotiation tactic. Anything is negotiable.
The only difference this time is that the content providers have seen this before and they’re not buying it… except for AFTRA – they’ll take 5 cents on the dollar to sell out their members anytime to get jurisdiction. Hopefully the actors are wise to that too and will demand better from AFTRA this year.
I work in the film industry. Or at least I used to. July? I’ll be homeless by then.
Jesse S,
You are quoting your own ignorant comment about how the AMPTP cannot reject SAG’s proposals. So what exactly are those proposals??? I notice you didn’t bother to address that question in the other thread. So let’s try it again, I challenge you to inform us all WHAT EXACTLY ARE THE PROPOSALS THAT ARE SO REASONABLE?
(asking for reasonable increases is NOT a proposal it is a PR statement, PROPOSALS have figures)
AFTRA members — please, please contact your leadership and ask them to present a united front with SAG against the AMPTP. It’s the only way you’re going to get anything better than the shit deal we writers settled for.
Otherwise Nikki is right — the AMPTP is going to use AFTRA to soften up SAG just as it used the DGA to soften up the writers. Of course they’re going to do that — it’s a great strategy that allowed the Companies to make a terrific deal for themselves even in the face of a pretty well-run strike.
Speak up to your leadership or you can kiss a bunch of hard-earned money goodbye for the next 20 years.