I told you this would happen, and now it has: the Alliance for Motion Picture and Television Producers representing the Big Media moguls finally acknowledged today that after 13 days the negotiations with SAG are at a stalemate with only 2 days left go. And, as I predicted, the AMPTP is blaming everything on the Screen Actors Guild. I can’t help but admire how faithfully the Hollywood CEOs follow the scripts they write. Especially at a time when the movie studios have put into effect a de facto feature strike. (See my previous, FIRST NEWS ABOUT SAG-AMPTP TALKS)
The organization that speaks for the CEO clique running Hollywood issued a “Negotiations Update” that breaks its silence over the progress, or lack of it, in the talks with SAG:
“The AMPTP has been negotiating with SAG now for 13 days. Last week, we asked AFTRA to delay the start of its negotiations until May 5th so that we could give the SAG talks every opportunity to produce an agreement. Since the SAG negotiations are due to wrap up on Friday, May 2nd, today is a good time to let you know where things stand.
When we requested an extra week for the SAG negotiations, we told you that there were “significant gaps” between the parties. Candidly, we must offer the same assessment of the negotiations today, with just over two days to go. Although both parties have spent considerable time in the negotiating room, we are not yet close to an agreement. This is the case for two fundamental reasons:
First, SAG initially rejected the framework for new media that was established through the DGA, WGA and AFTRA Network Code negotiations. The Producers’ position has been that there is no valid reason to upend the new media framework that has already been accepted by writers, directors, and AFTRA Network Code. Last week, SAG indicated that it would be willing to live within the existing new media framework – but only with more than 70 changes to the framework, some of which would go a long way toward making the framework itself unworkable.
The second reason is this: SAG’s willingness to work with the existing new media framework (albeit with more than 70 changes) was conditioned on AMPTP addressing SAG’s demands in traditional media areas. Unfortunately, these demands – including a doubling of the existing DVD formula and huge increases in compensation and benefits – would result in enormous cost increases that we are not willing to accept. The SAG Basic and TV Agreements are mature labor pacts for mature businesses. In such circumstances employers in other industries typically negotiate reductions and efficiencies to reduce costs. We are not seeking to do this. But we cannot responsibly accept the unprecedented, double-digit increases in DVD residuals and conditions being sought by SAG, or wage hikes that in some cases reach 200%. As a result, we have made little progress in narrowing the significant differences with SAG on these critical traditional media issues.
We still have two days of negotiations remaining with SAG, and we are going to continue to work as hard as we can to find a mutually acceptable resolution. Failing that, we are prepared to begin negotiations with AFTRA on Monday, May 5th. ”
See here for the AMPTP’s entire negotiations update as well for as the AMPTP’s “Setting the Record Straight” document that purports to counter SAG’s recent series of 2008 Contract Reports – #1 discussing middle-income actors, #2 talking about New Media (at end of post), and #3 exploring residuals.)
Within hours, SAG leadership issued this response to its members:
The Alliance of Motion Picture and Television Producers (AMPTP) posted a message to their member companies today on the AMPTP website. We felt it was important that we directly communicate our continued dedication to the negotiations process.
Screen Actors Guild remains committed to reaching a fair agreement with the AMPTP. To that end, we are prepared to bargain continuously, for as long as it takes.
The AMPTP knows we did not state that they had to agree to all of our non-new media proposals. We expect the AMPTP to negotiate in good faith and we will do the same.
We stand by our research and the information we provided you in our Contract 2008 Reports. We are not surprised that the employers dispute the economic hardships actors are facing. You know better.
We will not negotiate this contract in the press. Instead, we are focused on reaching a fair contract that addresses your needs as professional actors. We will continue to update you regularly.
C’mon, who does the AMPTP think it’s fooling? The script all along was to stonewall SAG, make a quick (and terrible for the actors) deal with the AFTRA pushovers, villify SAG leadership to the members, and then try to break whatever is left of SAG’s solidarity. I still think that using AFTRA as a wedge to soften up SAG is a non-starter. It doesn’t matter what AFTRA does because that union doesn’t even deal with motion pictures. But today AFTRA tried its best to look like the most “reasonable” of guilds — announcing its members had ratified the Network Television Code by an overwhelming 93.35% approval, and that its leadership had pacted with producers of non-broadcast, educational, and industrial material for an 18-month extension to the contract that covers performers doing on-camera and voiceover services.
So what does Hollywood have to look forward to film-wise? More of the same: no greenlighting because of fears of a SAG strike. Major players in this town are telling me they haven’t seen the movie industry this dead since, well, they can’t remember. It’s also a major reason that there’s so much turmoil at the agencies; big-name clients are panicking and jumping ship if they’re idle, and there’s a cutthroat competition to keep them or sign them.
I’ve told you before and I’ll repeat it again: The AMPTP is staying on message that it’s now prepared to wait out SAG for a deal until as late as mid-July. That means months of more motion picture inactivity, all of which the AMPTP intends to blame on SAG. As today’s statement shows, the AMPTP is furious that SAG negotiators are intent on getting a better deal for its actor members than the WGA or the DGA did on formulas for both New Media and also DVD residuals. Both Peter Chernin and Bob Iger in backchannel talks with SAG leadership, including a session as recently as the 2nd week in April, have been repeatedly saying that the studios and networks won’t budge on the numbers previously agreed to with the writers and directors — even if the actors have different needs.
But it’s the moguls own fault: if only they’d kept their word and agreed in the past to visit the residual formulas for home video, and then DVDs, maybe leadership inside SAG would believe the moguls’ pledge to revisit those for New Media three years from now. But truth and transparency have never been the strong suit of Big Media (i..e. studio accounting).
After the AMPTP pacts with AFTRA, I fully expect the mogul group to stay away from the bargaining table with SAG – just like it did with the WGA — or conduct what can only be described as disingenuous negotiating. The Hollywood CEOs are virtually daring SAG to strike when its contract expires the end of June. I do hope that SAG can restrain itself and hold off calling a strike after that, instead engaging in brinkmanship for a reasonable period. Because Chernin and Iger will in the end make a deal with SAG that I do believe will contain better numbers than the other contracts. Why? Because timing will be on SAG’s side. And because the power is always in the moguls’ hands, and never forget that, no matter if the AMPTP and its lapdog media choose to blame SAG.
Editor-in-Chief Nikki Finke - tip her here.







Run the names of the best picture nominees for last years Oscars. Lots of desperate people out there. Some are special effects people.
Imagine how much better things would be if SAG and AFTRA had merged. I think the minority of SAG members who derailed the merger owe us an explanation.
Hey, “Enough”
If you don’t like the toldja, don’t come to the site
Meanwhile, you sure don’t mind Nikki’s valuable info.
AMPTP long term are burning bridges and are becoming a joke (just like CAA)
Look at the up side: It’s already been a banner-year for the people that manufacture picket signs and t-shirts. God, I wish I had bought stock back in November.
Still, it’s early, we might be able to jump on the second spike in sales. Gotta love this market.
The AFTRA bashing is unbecoming for anyone, but especially someone who reports to the community. The problem isn’t AFTRA, it’s the MeFirst attitude and that has the Allens believing they can bring the town to a halt.
They’re blowing it, and if they go all the way, they’ll be gone by the Fall…along with a lot of our houses.
Well folks can’t blame the writers for this one. The people who gave me a hard time about the writers striking and debated the reasoning and why a union exists, with me will have to turn their frustration at SAG. Really though, people should maybe look at the AMPTP or just understand that striking is something a union does when all else fails and they feel they have a strong point that is not being addressed. I support SAG just as SAG supported the WGA. I hope the AMPTP offers today would they would offer or settle on in mid-July or later… but, they won’t do dick until they make SAG look like the bad guy and actors turn on each other.
Another unfortunate and avoidable mess.
- writer
PS. Can someone please give Les Monves a raise?
Isn’t “not negotiating in good faith” still against rules. How are they (AMPTP) allowed to get away with it? I don’t understand. While I am here. That, cry about down turned economics helped bull headed, over posturing, Mr. Moonves, in Showtime’s negotiations. What was even worse, was his, were better with out them post-speech. Do you think SAG could start their own studio? I haven’t seen moguls like this since the 30′s.
Hey Can’t Blame the Writers-
Judging from relations between SAG and AFTRA, I’m not sure if we can entirely blame their in-fighting on the AMPTP. They’re doing a pretty good job of turning on each other by their own virtues.
And isn’t it funny that in only a few months the resounding cry regarding the WGA has changed from ‘Solidarity! We’ll receive the respect and wage we deserve!’ to ‘We didn’t make this mess on the carpet!’?
Just sayin’.
Nikki, I beg you: don’t do this again. Please. Just don’t. I know you love getting higher hit counts by posting these screeds, but as someone who suffered through the WGA strike, I “can’t take it anymore,” as my name says.
Please understand that you are being used and manipulated by both sides here, and by continually posting articles and commentary like this, you only fuel the fires, making a volatile situation even more explosive.
These upcoming renegotiations will only decimate television further. Yes, of course Nikki is right, features are still sacred. And covered by SAG. But tv is the only place an actor can still negotiate above scale. Features have become scale +10% for everyone but the stars. But AFTRA will undersell the television end of things, as they always do, so television may also wind up being only scale +10% in an AFTRA world. The question now is: what can dual card holders ( all 44,000 of us) do?
I just got my AFTRA bill in the mail and it’s not due until the end of May, but for some reason it went up. No explanation, nothing. I earned around $2000.00 in AFTRA last year so of course, that’s a small fortune right? That’s 2 thousand dollars in case you think I made an error there.
Since most of the actors I talk to are fed up with the joke that AFTRA has become as well as the betrayal, what would happen if 44,000 people didn’t pay their dues as a form of protest? Could we finally break this damn thing once and for all? Any thoughts?
Peggy Lane O’Rourke
The WGA strike proved that the AMPTP is a not a negotiating body, it exists only to delay. SAG should refuse to sit down with them and tell the moguls they will talk only directly to them.
Can’t blame the writers is right, this is an avoidable mess. The problem is that the AMPTP wants to play SAG like a musical instrument, but the real problem is that AMPTP companies are getting ready for a strike and that we will likely see more shutdowns just to pressure SAG back to the table for more of the same. That is after they get done with destroying AFTRA with massive rollbacks and that guild collaspses because SAG got something better.
At this moment, a strike isn’t the most powerful weapon that SAG owns. They will likely demand and get congressional hearings up the wazoo thanks to Nick Counter and his cronies just because they aren’t greenlighting movies and keeping guild members from getting paid.
As for the strike date, how does August 25 at 12:01 AM local time sound? I am sure that Howard Dean would love to have a picket line at his convention. Meanwhile this strike date would give more time for studios to film movies that weren’t greenlighted yesterday or last week. Also, the July summer critics tour would go on as planned, and would include the critics own awards show, which isn’t an AMPTP member anyway.
SAG go for a small increase in the DVD rate and call it a day. A double increase is not going to win us fans when a strike is called over it. If we can show ourselves to be reasonable and hold firm while keeping this town working SAG will be the heroes of the labor movement.
I have a retirement from SAG when I turn age 65. it is mostly due to Video-DVD residuals so this gives me first hand knowledge of the old formula success if you are a working actor. A two and a half cent increase should be fine to hold out for at this time but if the AMPTP doesn’t give us that by June 30, 2008, don’t go on strike – just keep this town working under the old contract until the studios decide their De Facto strike isn’t working like they though and they will come back to the negotiating table willing to give us a two and a half cents DVD-Video raise because SAG didn’t go on strike. The studios did. The studios can’t hold out on a De Facto strike for too long.
If anyone from the AMPTP is listening just agree to pay SAG a small Video-DVD increase and lets get back to shooting feature films again. Remember, you can always increase your profits by lowering the 20 million dollars per film deal you pay for stars plus gross points.
Now kiss and make up so we can move on with our lives.
SAG/AFTRA/WGA member
The debate over DVD residuals seems either quaint or a smokescreen, considering the announcement today about day/date VOD and Itunes streaming of movies. The numbers for DVDs are going to head the same way CDs did once downloading music took over, It’s why the WGA decided to give in so early on that issue.
Sadly the AMPTP seems to have figured out a formula that spins any negotiation requests into unreasonable demands that put people out of work. Creative people by nature rarely have killer business instincts/savvy. So this fight will never be fair.
Jessy S.,
Why exactly are you here? You keep posting statements that show you clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Congressional hearings??? Even if the AMPTP were the reason movies weren’t being greenlight, that would not justify congressional hearings (many a company have locked out employees before without congressional hearings). Where do make this stuff up at? But the bigger problem here is that you clearly don’t understand why the movies aren’t being greenlight. The AMPTP has NO CONTROL over it, before movies can begin production they must get insurance, the insurance companies are failing to cover the projects because of the fear of a strike and that is what is halting production. Lastly, even if there is an actor’s strike, why exactly do you think it would be beneficial for the actors to picket the democratic convention???
“Can’t Take it Anymore”. I think that’s a good suggestion. Though this comes under the heading of “news” in this town, it’s really just incendiary.The best thing SAG & the AMPTP did was hold to the press blackout. While that was in play, all we knew is “negotiatins are under way”. Make no mistake, the rumors will fly on their own within the business but to involve the public on a board that’s open to anyone just allows all the amateurs to be a part of the hysteria (sort of like when pc’s allowed the general public to start “playing” the stock market and look how well THAT worked out), and it grows exponentially. Whether or not DHD intends to, this SERVES the AMPTP. I don’t know about the rest of you, but I don’t think they need any help at what they do. They do it well. It’s just business folks, and THIS is how they roll. So let’s NOT help them.
Some of these posts are unreal. Does ANYONE in this town GET IT? Can’t ANYBODY other than Nikki see what’s going on? The AMPTP WANTS SAG to strike. That’s the whole plan. ANYONE who is blaming SAG for this is completely clueless.
The AMPTP has planned this for well over a year now. It’s an age old strategy in war: divide and conquer. The AMPTP is NOT going to negotiate with SAG at all, much less in good faith. They will then blame SAG in the media for being “unreasonable,” and then hope the actors turn on themselves between AFTRA and SAG. They will then get a weak, mediocre deal from AFTRA and convert as many SAG shows as possible to AFTRA.
Once SAG is destroyed, the AMPTP will then set their sights on WGA at the next negotiation in three years (SAG won’t be there anymore for support), and then the IATSE will be next in line. If crew members are angry at SAG now, just wait until the AMPTP does away with health and pension contributions, which most of corporate America is doing to American workers.
That’s been the plan all along, and it’s mind-boggling that most of creative Hollywood is helping it happen by fighting amongst ourselves. Hollywood is run by business school graduates now who could care less about the creative process, OR anyone’s health or pensions. It’s all about how much money — make that BIG money — they’ve made.
The only way to avoid this at the moment is for AFTRA to sit back and refuse to negotiate until SAG has a contract in place. If AFTRA goes in for negotiations while SAG is still without a contract, the future will have been set in motion.
ALL of us — actors, writers, crew — can say goodbye to health and pensions.
THAT is the AMPTP’s ultimate goal in this.
It’s Machiavellian — and so obvious!
Dear Nikki “Chicken Little” Finke-
While everyone is highly impressed that you “Called It”, please attempt to fully recognize the role you play in this continuing Greek Tragedy. You may think that you’re contributing or illuminating the discourse, (when not shamelessly pimping yourself for the Time 100), but you’re actually serving to fester wounds that haven’t even been inflicted yet.
Your commitment to sensationalizing and doomsaying is admirable in its tenacity but completely egregious in the unnecessary anxiety that YOU, Miss Finke, serve to create.
I would hope SAG learned from the completely useless WGA strike (see: South Park) that a work stoppage will not result in gains that cover the losses. People can crow in the comments all they want about “negotiation tactics”, but Elementary Level Math would entail that if A < B, A is not worth the effort to get B.
Yours,
TP3000
Now, calm down, everybody.
There’s time left,
in spite of the de facto lock-out.
There has been,
as of yet,
no hard bargaining on money or important issues.
It’s called give-and-take.
AMPTP HAS NOT ASKED FOR ANY ROLLBACKS.
They won’t with AFTRA either,
no matter what the MF jackboots say here.
AFTRA may teach SAG how to hard-bargain.
Hard-bargaining is NOT just
“holding firm”, you know.
It’s give-and-take.
Anybody here ever done that in their life?
Give-and-take?
Sure you have.
Tell Doug and Alan to do that.
I’m stunned. The SAG demands go far and above anything any other union would ask for. Call it balls or call it stupid, but Rosenberg and company are just out of touch.
The real danger here is this. AFTRA will make a deal that conforms to the WGA/DGA deal. Come June 30th when SAG goes out the studios will have no contract with SAG, allowing them to sign AFTRAs contract. All one has to do is look at the air traffic controllers and what happened to them to get the idea.
I do see that during the guild elections WGA and SAG that these “leaders” will be looking for jobs elsewhere.
Nikke Finke said, “The script all along was to stonewall SAG,….”
And the script all along from Rosenberg and Allen was to be confrontational with AMPTP. Who writes your stuff, Nikke? Alan Rosenberg himself? Both the L.A. Times and the Asociated Press describe Rosenberg and SAG’s so-called leadership as “militant” (you know, like suicide bomber nut jobs in the middle east?). Of course Rosenberg, Allen and the usual lemmings will put all the blame on the producers. Rosenberg is a protege of Bill Daniels and *his* disasterous attempt to impose SAG’s dominion over the entire industry. Those of us who have the audacity to actually work in this business, and who are not just wanna be’s or used to be’s, are looking at Rosenberg and Allen’s antics with dread. And when they totally screw things up, they’ll have a whole list of people to blame for their failures. The producers, of course, are evil. AFTRA betrayed their sister union, and the SAG actors who do not fall into lockstep weakened SAG’s bargaining position. They will never, ever admit that they screwed things up themselves with their arrogance. I have put in for an early pension figuring that Rosenberg is going to do serious damage to the future of Screen Actors Guild. I just want to safeguard whatever I can of my financial future.
Now let’s hear from the usual idiots who want to rag on me for protecting myself from them by staying anonymous, rather than discussing legitimate points raised. For good cause, I do not trust them, or SAG’s “militant” leadership.
Question for the people who imply Nikki is part of the problem: Even if she does coat her reporting with some incendiary or self-congratulatory remarks, who else is willing to report ANYTHING other than the AMPTP talking points? Where else can you find real, straightforward in-depth reporting and analysis that has, over time, proven anywhere as accurate? Who else is covering these negotiations with anything but the usual Big Media propaganda (the union is divided, everyone’s going fi-core, the leadership is crazy, the industry’s troubles are the fault of the strikers and not those being struck, everyone else–in and outside the union is “fed up” with the union and fine with the Big Media companies, etc. etc.) Go back and read the “trades” or even the NY and LA Times going back to last fall and compare it with Nikki’s reporting and the facts we now know to be true (ie: how few writers went fi-core, what the Big Media companies COULD offer that they said would destroy the industry, etc. etc.) and then say that she’s the “problem.” She should stop being “incendiary.”
We know how Big Media treats those that aren’t union–see current court case of Reality worker demanding to have his past pay BROUGHT UP TO MINIMUM WAGE. And then say that the only person reporting on this stuff who is NOT in Big Media’s pocket should just be quiet.
Sure, I’d like fewer “toldjas” and “you heard it hear first” and I’d like fewer teases to “keep clicking” because something BIG’s on its way. Nikki’s not perfect. But her reporting makes up for it. And if you think it’s important to have even a clue about what’s really going on with these negotiations, Nikki more than makes up for these annoying traits in almost every post.
One other thing re: Mr TP, South Park and the huge “losses” the striking union membership has incurred that will not be made up for by gains. You’re entitled to your opinions but that doesn’t make them any less stupid. If unions didn’t fight for something approaching a decent share of the pie, the net result would NOT be the status quo; it would be rollbacks as massive as Big Media companies could get until the pushback hurt their bottom line. By setting the bar SOMEWHERE and backing it up with a “work stoppage,” they don’t just add a fraction of a cent here and twenty dollars there, they prevent Big Media from totally breaking the unions and paying the people who make their “content,” their “product,” more than they currently do for non-union work (nothing). The gains made by striking were far greater than Mssrs. TP (Trey Parker/Tom Paine) admit. And anybody in the industry who enjoys minimums, OT, golden time, transpo, per-diem, meal penalty, pension, etc. should realize they are all the results of “work stoppages” and the threat thereof. So no, the losses guild members incurred from striking were IN NO WAY > than the gains.
>>If crew members are angry at SAG now, just wait until the AMPTP does away with health and pension contributions, which most of corporate America is doing to American workers.
WELL, STATED. TOO BAD SAG CAN’T SAY IT AS WELL AS THIS.
WHY ISN’T SAG STATING THIS CLEARLY AS THEIR PRIORITY DEMAND?!?!? HEALTH AND PENSION ARE THE ***ONLY*** ISSUES THAT MATTERS TO LABOR TODAY!!!! IT IS BY FAR THE MOST EXPENSIVE, WHICH IS WHY IT IS MOST IMPORTANT. FOR CRYING OUT LOUD, WATCH THE NEWS?!?!
>1. Reasonable residuals for actors’ work released to DVD and home video.
>2. Reasonable residuals for content made for new media.
>3. Reasonable residuals for content moved over to new media platforms from traditional media.
>4. Reasonable residuals for made-for new media programs released in traditional media.
ON WHAT PLANET DOES THE SAG AND WGA LEADERSHIP LIVE?!?!?
PLEASE, SAG – WAKE UP AND JUST CLEARLY STATE WHAT THE END GAME IS. PERHAPS THEN REAL LABOR WILL UNDERSTAND WHAT THE HELL YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT AND ACTUALLY BACK YOU UP.
YOU ARE GETTING CONFUSED IN THE >>minutiae<<. ISN’T THAT JUST TYPICAL FOR ACTORS.
HIRE A NEW PUBLIC RELATIONS FIRM!!!