On the eve of the restart of negotiations with the AMPTP, SAG prez Alan Rosenberg sent this message to members. Following it is an AFTRA insider’s response to me:
May 27, 2008
Dear SAG Members,Tomorrow we will resume TV/Theatrical contract negotiations with the Alliance of Motion Picture and Television Producers (AMPTP). As you know, the AMPTP suspended our negotiations on May 6 to begin talks with AFTRA for its primetime Exhibit A contract.
Screen Actors Guild observers were present for only 6 of the 18 days that AFTRA has been meeting with the AMPTP. We were proud to invite AFTRA to attend every day of our bargaining sessions. In the event that our committee met in executive session with only senior staff present, or in sidebar with a handful of staff and members, we reported the discussions and results of the sessions and gave AFTRA every document. Unfortunately that level of transparency was not reciprocated. Observers were in fact told they could not attend 12 days of confidential sessions. As a result SAG has not had a representative there for the last week. We don’t have any details about the status of the talks except that AFTRA and the AMPTP are continuing to meet today, and we will resume our negotiations at 10 a.m. at the AMPTP tomorrow morning.
Your National Negotiating Committee remains committed to getting the best terms possible for actors. We have spent the entire 2 ½ weeks since talks were suspended reaching out to members around the country. We held Town Hall meetings in Los Angeles, New York and via videoconference in Chicago, Miami and San Francisco. We also visited numerous sets in Los Angeles and movie locations in New York. We met with high profile actors in groups and sought input from as many members as possible. We asked you to provide your thoughts via email, and thousands of you responded.
We are going back into these critical negotiations armed with your thoughts, observations, demands, and your blessings. Your leaders will do everything possible to get a fair contract. You and your families deserve nothing less.
The main outstanding issues remain the same as they were in early May:
Middle Class Actors: Actors and background actors are struggling to stay in the game. While management has said they have money to spend here, we want to make sure it’s spent in ways that make a real difference: increases in minimums, including major role, mileage, schedule and money breaks, and more coverage for background actors, for example.
Clips: We have said no to management’s demands of you to give up your right to consent to the use of clips containing your images.
DVD: We simply want the employers to pay your Pension & Health contributions on top of your residual, instead of taking it out of your share of DVD revenues. The entire eligible cast shares only 1% of that revenue. You shouldn’t have to pay your own P& H contributions out of that percentage.
Force Majeur: The SAG contract has longstanding provisions for down periods when a project goes out of production because of an Act of God or strike by another union. We have said no to management’s proposal to wipe away pending claims and to force you to negotiate these rights by yourself
New Media Jurisdiction: SAG wants to cover ALL new media projects, no matter how low the budget. We should not allow major studios and networks to produce non-union new media projects without SAG actors because they have low budgets.
I promise to keep you apprised of our progress over the coming days. Thank you for your support and please continue to provide input by emailing Contract2008@sag.org.
In unity,
Alan Rosenberg
An AFTRA insider tonight told me in response:
“From the very beginning of the AFTRA primetime negotiations, the AFTRA Negotiating Committee extended precisely the same invitation and courtesy to the SAG staff observers that the SAG negotiating committee had extended to the AFTRA observers during the SAG talks. While it’s certainly true that the SAG representatives (along with observers from other unions) were excluded from “executive session” meetings of the AFTRA Negotiating Committee, things were no different during the SAG talks — AFTRA observers were not permitted to sit in on the SAG negotiating committee’s executive sessions. Unlike Alan Rosenberg, Roberta Reardon didn’t whine about it because such exclusions are standard practice. There are times when, for legal reasons, a negotiating committee needs to meet privately. We understood and respected SAG’s need for such privacy, and we assumed that the SAG observers would understand and respect ours. Perhaps that was too much to expect.”
Editor-in-Chief Nikki Finke - tip her here.


and let the strike talk begin.
Could somebody explain what they mean by “clips”?
Do they mean trailers or tv spots.
What other clips do they have?
Like regular scenes of movies and such?
I have never understood why AFTRA are such pricks. This is certainly not the first time they have screwed SAG. I guess it’s like sibling rivalry. It will never end. Until one relative kills the other….
To WGA Member,
“AFTRA such pricks?” AFTRA is my parent union, and I walked the WGA picket line repeatedly at the western gate of WB last year. Most of the writers I met & talked with didn’t even know what AFTRA was. How is it that you possess the “knowledge” that AFTRA has screwed SAG? Total bull flop, comrade.
And to add to the ever-growing pile of cow dookey, along comes SAG Prez Alan Rosenberg and his above spin. Alan, Alan, c’mon man. You know full well that both SAG & AFTRA negotiations with the AMPTP involved many, many hours of side-bar during which visitor/observers were excused. So to keep up the whining about your being wronged by your sister union is as old as the pig slops in Charlotte’s Web. When SAG went into sidebar with the AMPTP, AFTRA observers were asked to leave the room. You know that, since you did the asking. Conversely when AFTRA went into sidebar with the AMPTP during its two weeks of negs, SAG observers were asked to leave the room. The spin in your letter above is dizzying, and not the impressive kind of dizzy…the silly, whiny kind of dizzy. Spin on, bro. At lease SAG & AFTRA negotiators know the truth. They were there. Good luck tomorrow. We need it.
What I think will eventually happen with AFTRA, is that AFTRA on-camera actors will split off from AFTRA leaving the DJs, talk show host, radio announcers, news readers, radio actor,jingle singer and reporter in there own union.
Only then could they merge with SAG.
On camera actors get NOTHING out of AFTRA except wage undercutting and splitting their health and pension plan between two unions because of AFTRA poaching.
As an actor I don’t want to work AFTRA, but must because they’ve raided SAG’s jurisdiction and I’ve got to pay my bills.
Oh, waah. As if SAG would’ve been open with AFTRA about their talks.
I get that SAG is the bigget union so the default position people take is that they’re unfailing and in the right all the time, but it is not the case. Instead of bashing AFTRA and worrying about what they are doing in their negotiations, I’m curious as to what Doug and Alan have up their sleeves since they were soclose to striking a deal the last time at the table with the AMPTP.
Much to chagrin of the shills and the very small minority of BTL peeps who constantly whine, I am an actor who scratches out a living solely on small TV and movie roles. I book regularly, but don’t make six figures (like most working actors). So during the last strike, I lost thousands of my savings to support the writers. With that said, I look forward again to staring into the financial and professional abyss again if management tries to make it more difficult for me to make make the meager, but honest, living I make now.
I WOULD RATHER LOSE IT ALL FOR THE RIGHT NOW THAN TO LOSE IT ALL FOREVER!
I dream of the day when someone more civic minded than me rallys all of the SAG/AFTRA joint card holders to go FI-CORE AFTRA as a protest. I wonder how they would pay their bills then. Oh yeah, the broadcasters. Or maybe not. The local cats dont get paid what the used to. Got screwed in there last AFTRA contract.
Socratores -
Clips are typically excerpted from scripted television programming and movies. Trailers and ads for upcoming television shows are not in contention, as those are for promotional purposes, which are covered under the current contract.
Clip usage is also covered under the current contract. The AMPTP wants a very severe rollback on clip use payments, and they want to be able to use the clips without gaining the consent of the actors in the clips. Actors concerned about their public persona, level of exposure, or being associated with products or lifestyles that run counter to their own are understandably concerned about this.
Actors also want consent on clip use because from a creative standpoint, the actor’s work in the clip may be pulled entirely out of context. In many cases, clips may be chosen not for the actor’s performance, but for the image of the characters and/or possible associations consumers may make based on the public persona of the actor. It would be quite easy, were actor consent not required, to assemble clips with other footage in a way that could be quite damaging to an actor’s reputation, which goes directly to their future earning ability and potential.
Why any sane actor would agree to this is well beyond me. IMHO, if the AMPTP pushes on this one, they will hit a wall. A wall of picket signs.
Working SAG/AFTRA Actor
Blow me.
I can’t tell you the number of times I have had to listen to AFTRA members whine about their union. As a WGA member, I and all fellow Guild members appreciate the sacrifice made by AFTRA members to the WGA cause, but that does not stop me from remarking on how AFTRA seems to have utter penis envy for SAG and, like an evil stepson, always seems to do what is in its interest and screw SAG’s.
So thanks for the help on the strike, I’ll march for you on yours but your mother union are creeps and, oh right, blow me.
Clips & images are already being pirated mashed and morphed – consent or no won’t stop it. No strike on that issue.
Going Fi-Core would not hurt AFTRA (or any union) financially (dues-wise). It has a long-term weakening affect on all union-members’ bargaining power.
Alan Rosenberg is whining and squealing about normal procedure that SAG itself follows. Wake up, actors! Get him outta there.
Well, it’s just been announced (6:40am Wednesday) that AFTRA’s come to an agreement with the producers. Can’t WAIT to see how they’ve screwed their members this time.
Those of you who claim AFTRA’s a solid union…Take a look at the rates. An Under 5 gig for AFTRA pays $330 split over two days of work. For that same rate they allow the network (speaking about Disney Channel shows) to run the episode for 15 days without paying re-runs. Not 15 x, 15 DAYS. So if they ean an episode on an endless loop, they could do so for 15 consecutive days and not pay fees to actors.
AFTRA is a joke. They don’t care about their members and hold them to the fire when they’re a day late on dues. But when it comes to recouping monies owed to members? That can take a year or more.
To those who’re both members of SAG and AFTRA, ask them which union they prefer earnings-wise.
Well, AFTRA made the deal.
Didn’t give up the clips.
Got the money.
SAG: Sign the deal and go back to sleep. You’re irrelevant.
Oh, Whining AFTRA-bashers;
Read the new AFTRA deal, say youR hail Marys, and thank your lucky stars. AFTRA negotiators just did for us all what SAG negotiators couldn’t quite gather the wits & focus to accomplish: made a strong, forthright agreement w. the AMPTP, got us all raises – from background players to higher daily minimums – jurisdiction in internet, and they kept our right to police our images in clips!
The anti-union mouth-frothing in this town is downright infantile.
THANK YOU, AFTRA!!!!
Nikki….I am hearing that there is a AFTRA deal this morning….is that true?
newsflash, deal is signed.
The blind leading the blind leading the blind. In the end all of this will add up to more unscripted and alternative programming and far less work for actors as a whole. The entire business model is ill and all the strife is effectively euthanizing it. For a few pennies a year from “clips”. Well done clueless ones. The correct strategy would be to use all the internet garbage as a negotiating chip to take off the table to front-load much higher schedule minimums, which keep the lights on and the rent paid for working actors. But no. Cue cliched outraged responses to this post.
To “WGA Member,”
This is the ghost of your writing teacher speaking, young chrysallis… Here is what you wrote: “your mother union are creeps and, oh right, blow me.” Yeah, dude, you’re a writer, like I’m a nuclear scientist…
Amazing. How pathetic is the guise of the anti-union lumpen in Hollyweird. Let loose the bong. Read a book. SAG & AFTRA have been around since the ’30s, both listing the creme of America’s working performers as members. The nyah-nyah, need-a-diaper-fast sentiment above typifies the donkey dookey crits that have been made of unions in this town. For being a “member” of the WGA, you write like Nick Counter’s “challenged” cousin.
Write on!
mheister:
Thanks for the explanation,much appreciated.