
First, I’ve got additional info about the AFTRA-AMPTP deal announced yesterday: I’m told the union’s New Media terms are the exact same offered by the networks-&-studios group to SAG on Day 1 of their negotiations last month. So AFTRA negotiated with the networks and studios for 16 days only to obtain what SAG flatly rejected. What heavy duty bargaining by AFTRA, eh? It’s also the same exact deal (minus the clips issue) which the AMPTP made with the WGA. .(For my reporting, see my previous, AFTRA Deal With AMPTP Caves On Clips.)
Also, I reported a month ago that the AMPTP plans to drag out its talks with SAG into mid-July. Today, finally, Variety has caught up. I also was amused by the way the trade completely spun AFTRA’s all-too-obvious clips cave-in. I’ve learned that SAG found out AFTRA had a deal only by reading it in Variety, which was tipped off by AFTRA and posted yesterday around dawn. Not a very classy AFTRA move to call the trade but not the other actors union.
I’m told that, after finding out a pact had been reached, SAG leadership asked AFTRA’s people for a briefing. AFTRA hemmed and hawed and finally said they could brief SAG, but only at 11:30 AM at 5757 Wilshire Blvd – the exact time SAG would be in negotiations with the AMPTP Wednesday. The only alternate date was sometime next week.
So SAG had a brief bargaining session with the AMPTP, then ended it early “in consideration” of AMPTP’s late-hour bargaining with AFTRA the night before. With that, SAG leaders phoned their AFTRA counterparts to tell them they were on the way to 5757 Wilshire. The 60 people who make up SAG’s committee and staff sped across town arriving mere minutes after noon – just in time to see AFTRA’s negotiating committee including Roberta Reardon racing for the door.
Picture this: AFTRA’s president, negotiating committee and various staff scurrying through the lobby at 5757 Wilshire with suitcases in hand Wednesday in a mad dash to depart the building and avoid briefing SAG’s leadership or even its negotiating committee on their new deal with the AMPTP. It happened – and I’m told it was funny in a lame-ass kind of way. Tragicomedy, because the losers were the 40,000 dual cardholding actors – a majority of them here in Los Angeles – who “got ditched like a bad prom date” by the AFTRA negotiating committee that purports to represent them.
Strange behavior indeed. Especially because after SAG’s committee concluded their first round of talks with the AMPTP, SAG leadership briefed AFTRA immediately. AFTRA’s observer was also allowed into SAG’s negotiations nearly every day and in almost every session except ”a couple of” executive briefings and sidebars. Even copies of documents were shared. But SAG’s observers were told not to come to the AFTRA negotiations on at least 6 days.
“AFTRA can spin until they are dizzy,” an insider told me, “but they can’t hide the fact that they are harming their members by acting in bad faith – repeatedly — with SAG. Their words speak, but their actions speak louder .”
UPDATE: SAG finally was formally briefed on Thursday, at 1:15 PM, at the AMPTP, according to an AFTRA spokesperson, by a delegation of AFTRA negotiations committee members and senior staff. Now let’s all move on…
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The crazy question is, why would AFTRA do that? Unless it was part of their deal with the AMPTP, to keep SAG in the dark until SAG’s own negotiations resumed.
In any event, I hope somebody got video of the AFTRA leadership trying to duck out of the briefing. It’s something the AFTRA membership seriously needs to address, and besides which, I’d like to see it.
You know it’s a crappy deal and I know it’s a crappy deal, but you know who doesn’t think so? The DGA, which issued a statement congratulating Roberta Reardon, Kim Roberts Hedgpeth and the AFTRA Neg Com on their “successful efforts” in, essentially, undermining SAG to arrive at its own deal. It’s again clear, lest anyone forget, just where the DGA’s values lie — squarely in the AMPTP’s lap.
The memberships of both AFTRA and the DGA need to clean house.
I sure wish the feds would look into the AFTRA leadership and ties to the corporations.
AFTRA’s leadership should be ashamed of themselves, selling out their workers.
How do scum like that sleep at night?
This is truly a despicable move on AFTRA’s part. The funny thing is how they have COMPLETELY pulled the PR heat off of the AMPTP, at least for now.
Over the last few months, I notice that a lot of SAG members are upset and I hear very little complaints from AFTRA members. If SAG members don’t like how they are represented, shouldn’t they direct their discontent with SAG instead of AFTRA??? I understand that their are many dual-card holders, but the bottom line is the union that you “claim” is the union that is suppose to fight for you not the union you bash!
As a 45-year member of AFTRA, SAG (& AEA), I am appalled at the failure of the Hollywood SAG leadership to develop one iota of negotiation strategy over the past year beyond blaming AFTRA for all of their woes.
I’m…they literally ran out the door..I can’t even..here we are, actors..we gave our lives over to this thing, made a lot of sacrifices..all we ask is that the unions do their thing, and back us up. And these worthless cocksuckers, these children masquerading as adults..not only sell us out, they don’t even have the balls to look SAG in the eye and tell what happened. I just paid my dues last week, so help me god, I want my money back, and I will go fi-core. fuck these cowardly, motherless pieces of shit. I’m done.
I guess Susan Flannery of The Bold And The Beautiful was right all along and saw this comming a mile away. If this is the best AFTRA can do for it’s members, then they don’t deserve to be representative of the hardest working actors in the buisiness. The daytime serial industry.
Hey Writer Bob-
How’s that dead horse doing?
You made your play and lost. Perhaps you won’t be happy until no one else has a job, either?
To the aholes who slammed me on the other thread for saying AFTRA leadership were a bunch of pricks — hope you like the taste of lube, pals, cause your leadership just reamed you good.
Seriously, the government (not this one, but the real one we’ll elect in November) should investigate AFTRA for their actions.
What utter pricks.
I support my brother AFTRA members but you guys are being repped by a leadership that reminds me of the Teamsters in the bad old days. Maybe you should check what’s happening to your pension funds…..
I’m a dual card-holder. Haven’t read the new AFTRA contract, but it sounds like one I can’t vote for. And if it’s ratified, it sounds like one I won’t work.
And if SAG settles for the same, I’m screwed.
Dear Has Anyone Else Noticed: As a dual SAG/AFTRA member I can tell you that most of the complaints are coming from dual card holders, because we are the ones who are feeling ignored by AFTRA. SAG is certainly not perfect, but I can tell you that those of us who have tried to reach our AFTRA leadership or make our voice heard have consistently been ignored when we mention we are dual card holders. Shouldn’t our voice be heard within our own guild, regardless of our card status? It seems to me that if the deal is as great as the AFTRA leadership is claiming it is they would meet with SAG to brag how great they a deal they got–and to put to rest the bashing they get for being soft. Yet, they literally ran away. What’s going to happen is that SAG will not settle quickly and it will allow the AMPTP and AFTRA to jointly bash SAG as the uncooperative guild.
Gosh, are these hijinks fun or what? Is there a reality TV crew getting all of this? Just wondering, if there is a SAG strike, and they shut down my show, can me and my family move into one of those big popout cast motorhomes? I know they’re too small for one actor,but me and my family of five would be happy, as long as the internet connection and satellite tv and the 50″ TV still work.
Thanks!
I’m a dual card holder and embarrassed to be represented by AFTRA. This latest act of studio obeisance serves only to undermine SAG’s negotiating position, which is critical. This deal hardly benefits AFTRA members beyond the rate of inflation. Come on! If AFTRA continues to go it alone and continues to misrepresent its members, its existence becomes hard to justify. It is time for its members to figure out how to disband AFTRA.
It’s worth noting that a great many DGA members are A.D.s who go on to become UPMs & subsequently producers. They are straddling he fence at best. The studios offer UPMs bonuses to ensure they are motivated to squeeze the budget and not look out for the crew they interact with on a daily basis. There are many UPMs who hold DGA cards.
As for my own union Tom Short is very quietly negotiating our deal now. A year ahead of the deadline.
We need a class action lawsuit to force these clowns out of the business of representing actors. They act like 14 year olds drunk with power because their parents are too afraid to lay down the law. Thanks for selling out my future, scum bags.
I don’t know whether to describe this behavior by AFTRA as childish, treacherous, or maybe a little of both.
Either way, it looks like the AMPTP has everyone dancing to their tune and all the moguls have to do is sit back and laugh.
Those who ignore history are failed to repeat it. We are now back to square one in the same situation before Phase One started.
I have been a SAG actor who was active in the board 12 years ago. I have seen SAG’s shift to treating AFTRA with disdain and trying repeatedly to bring them down or minimize them. I watched as some more radical members shot down the merger and the consolodation. The ego-centric SAG thought all they needed was Hollywood and everyone else should just go away. I’m betting your source is, of course, a SAG board member with their own agenda.
The rifts created in the SAG board with AFTRA damaged SAG to such a point that credibility was all but lost. The thing is, this battle has been waged for YEARS against AFTRA and now AFTRA has finally been boxed in enough to force them to fight back.
Let’s just take a look at the attempt to minimize AFTRA’s voting in the negotiating committee earlier this year. The goal was to take AFTRA out of the mix so SAG could run the show. Well, that didn’t work out so well and now, shock of all shocks, AFTRA is now negotiating their own contracts.
After watching the playbook with the WGA and DGA, SAG should have done everything possible to KEEP AFTRA in the room with them. But in their arrogance, they didn’t see the need. Instead, they did everything they could to try to minimize AFTRA as a force during these negotiations. Whatever contract we would have voted on would have to approved by BOTH unions or it wouldn’t fly. SAG (and their actors) had much protection by working WITH AFTRA.
Rather than SOLIDIFY the relationship with AFTRA, they beat on them some more. It takes two to tango, but someone has to start the music and lead.
Exactly what leverage did AFTRA have in that room? Since Phase One is no longer, AFTRA is trying to take as big of a chunk as they can get. They can’t strike and the AMPTP KNOWS it. Their goal is to get as many shows under their jurisdiction. The AMPTP is practically DARING SAG to strike because they KNEW they could get a better deal with AFTRA, just like the DGA.
So now because there was no consolodation, the scenario that EVERYONE predicted has come true. We now have TWO actors unions fighting over jurisdiction. This is what actors COULDN’T afford, but where we are.
SAG is posturing to strike. AFTRA has a deal. Unless SAG can motivate the dual card holders to vote down the deal, SAG will lose all new shows to AFTRA jurisdiction and we will be more splintered than we were in 1980 (or was it ’88) when phase one started.
The only way to unring this bell is to MERGE. And that won’t be happening during these negotiations. The AMPTP has played everyone and the SAG/AFTRA battles have put the actors right where they wanted.
United we stand, divided we fall. We will fall unless the unions come together as a single force.
The industry and many people’s professional lives are being held hostage by utter idiots. And in the end, as it is with everything, it’s all about the powerful v. the powerful for the spoils (yes, I mean SAG cares about and is controlled by the minuscule percentage of members who make a very good living acting)…f*** everyone else. The other members are just considered dupes. Plus ca change. Viva la Revolution?
As a disgruntled AFTRA member I think I know why they keep getting away with this kind of BS. It’s because so many AFTRA members are not involved or informed in any way about their union. ESPECIALLY all of the dual members. I know tons of actors, all dual members who really just consider themselves SAG members. Because once you’re in SAG, AFTRA becomes an afterthought. They ignore AFTRA emails, don’t vote in AFTRA elections and aren’t up on any of AFTRA’s politics. If every dual member simply made their voices heard and paid half as much attention to what’s happening at AFTRA as they do to what’s going on with the “cool” union, they could vote in a way that helps their interests (usually the same as SAG’s interests since SAG actually fights for their members and isn’t a Studio sweetheart union) and then we wouldn’t be in this mess! Wake up dual members!
As for AFTRA-only members like me, I’m not sure. I’d like to give them the benefit of the doubt and say it’s ignorance – that they’re just tuned out too, waiting for the day they’re able to join SAG. But maybe some of them don’t mind their union being the one that undercuts another at every turn as long as it means they can keep working.
If the AFTRA committee was headed out the door, does it occur to anyone that after a couple of weeks stuck in hotel rooms and away from home, they might want to go back to their hiring markets and drum up some work? But the MF spin is that everyone is running away. Grow up folks. Not everyone lives in Hollyweird. Thank goodness.
Dear Has Anyone Else Noticed. You’re missing the point. SAG members aren’t upset with SAG. They’re upset AFTRA is a p-whipped union that is undermining SAG’s ability to do business. Imagine if there was another writer’s union, that was smaller and just as worthless as AFTRA. They just take any deal the AMPTP offers. This screws over real writers. Would the writers complain to the WGA? No. They would hate the BS writer’s union. That’s what’s happening here. AFTRA…what’s the word? Sucks. They should only be allowed to represent TV weathermen.
AFTRA was prepared to take this rotten deal the whole time they were negotiating it. In Roberta Reardon’s letter to AFTRA members on May 19 she said, “we cannot afford to waste any time chasing rainbows”. When she says “rainbows” does she mean fair compensation? Soon after that statement was made she told the SAG observers to stop coming to negotiating meetings.
Roberta started making her excuses for this bad deal a few days before AFTRA agreed to it by saying in a letter on May 25 that “We face a formidable adversary across the table.” Of course, she is also quick to say that “Your committee is smart and well-educated”. So I guess we are to deduce that our “smart committee” got the best of the “formidable adversary” and not the other way around. She also said in that letter that, “We also intend to brief SAG on our talks with the AMPTP before SAG resumes its negotiations with employers.” She forgot to mention that it meant only if SAG committee members could catch her. Run Roberta run!
Maybe the AFTRA members need to decertify the union. If the union is not representing their best interests, and in fact, acting in bad faith, the members need to stop belonging. Why pay dues to get the same deal you could get on your own?
When AFTRA publishes this agreement — and they’d better not drag their feet — we should read it carefully and discuss it.
If the deal is a bad one, we have an obligation to spread the word and VOTE NO on ratification.
Send them back to the bargaining table.
(That would not be “AFTRA-bashing” — that would be requiring a union to serve its membership.)
Dave Clennon