
First, I’ve got additional info about the AFTRA-AMPTP deal announced yesterday: I’m told the union’s New Media terms are the exact same offered by the networks-&-studios group to SAG on Day 1 of their negotiations last month. So AFTRA negotiated with the networks and studios for 16 days only to obtain what SAG flatly rejected. What heavy duty bargaining by AFTRA, eh? It’s also the same exact deal (minus the clips issue) which the AMPTP made with the WGA. .(For my reporting, see my previous, AFTRA Deal With AMPTP Caves On Clips.)
Also, I reported a month ago that the AMPTP plans to drag out its talks with SAG into mid-July. Today, finally, Variety has caught up. I also was amused by the way the trade completely spun AFTRA’s all-too-obvious clips cave-in. I’ve learned that SAG found out AFTRA had a deal only by reading it in Variety, which was tipped off by AFTRA and posted yesterday around dawn. Not a very classy AFTRA move to call the trade but not the other actors union.
I’m told that, after finding out a pact had been reached, SAG leadership asked AFTRA’s people for a briefing. AFTRA hemmed and hawed and finally said they could brief SAG, but only at 11:30 AM at 5757 Wilshire Blvd – the exact time SAG would be in negotiations with the AMPTP Wednesday. The only alternate date was sometime next week.
So SAG had a brief bargaining session with the AMPTP, then ended it early “in consideration” of AMPTP’s late-hour bargaining with AFTRA the night before. With that, SAG leaders phoned their AFTRA counterparts to tell them they were on the way to 5757 Wilshire. The 60 people who make up SAG’s committee and staff sped across town arriving mere minutes after noon – just in time to see AFTRA’s negotiating committee including Roberta Reardon racing for the door.
Picture this: AFTRA’s president, negotiating committee and various staff scurrying through the lobby at 5757 Wilshire with suitcases in hand Wednesday in a mad dash to depart the building and avoid briefing SAG’s leadership or even its negotiating committee on their new deal with the AMPTP. It happened – and I’m told it was funny in a lame-ass kind of way. Tragicomedy, because the losers were the 40,000 dual cardholding actors – a majority of them here in Los Angeles – who “got ditched like a bad prom date” by the AFTRA negotiating committee that purports to represent them.
Strange behavior indeed. Especially because after SAG’s committee concluded their first round of talks with the AMPTP, SAG leadership briefed AFTRA immediately. AFTRA’s observer was also allowed into SAG’s negotiations nearly every day and in almost every session except ”a couple of” executive briefings and sidebars. Even copies of documents were shared. But SAG’s observers were told not to come to the AFTRA negotiations on at least 6 days.
“AFTRA can spin until they are dizzy,” an insider told me, “but they can’t hide the fact that they are harming their members by acting in bad faith – repeatedly — with SAG. Their words speak, but their actions speak louder .”
UPDATE: SAG finally was formally briefed on Thursday, at 1:15 PM, at the AMPTP, according to an AFTRA spokesperson, by a delegation of AFTRA negotiations committee members and senior staff. Now let’s all move on…
Editor-in-Chief Nikki Finke - tip her here.







To: “Has Anyone Noticed”.
It’s easy to not have much to complain about when you have no spine. Evil happens when good men do nothing.
Writer Bob,
Thank you for continuing to maintain a level of consistency in your approach to the DGA. You have not been able to actually back up your sentiments with facts or reasoning, but I admire that you can continue to attack the DGA over 3 months after you lost that argument here on this board. Hopefully, with a little time and a little more experience in the business, you may learn to move on.
As a DGA member, I can’t tell you how proud I was to be a member after listening to Michael Apted’s speech last Thursday. The care and the great expense that went into evaluating New Media was inspiring. Those on this blog choose to make ignorant statements about the DGA being AMPTP’s “lap dog, slurp slurp”, and other idiotic statements. What can I say. Scoreboard. The deal we made is the deal that the industry fell in line behind. The WGA went on strike to show “daddy” that they could make a deal too (shades of George Jr. invading Iraq to show up his daddy), but they could not. A useless strike. The deal the WGA made, they could have had without striking. A crying shame. And the bloggers and mistress Finke want another strike. After the failure of the first. In this economy. Does anybody out there actually make a living in this industry?
It would be nice if you’d spent oh say a week at any entertainment industry labor negotiation in the last decade. You wouldn’t be so arrogant and misinformed. Your “reporting” harms the entire industry. I used to love your work, but your WGA hysteria drove me away. And I’m not alone in that. Too bad. You should treat yourself, your reputation, and your readers with more respect. AFTRA’s smart to make a deal now so they can lasso even more companies and shows while SAG rides its horses of delusion. There isn’t a studio or prodco in town that wouldn’t prefer the AFTRA contract. What would the actors prefer? Clips circulating for free “virally” on YouTube, etc. or clips for which they’re paid? Movie stars who worry about a clip from that long-ago- (and now oh-so-embarrassing) series they once happily did for UPN should take a quick history lesson on the career arcs of their predecessors. In their dotage (not that far down the road in this town), they’ll be begging for these clips to be used, sans permission, just for the $49 or whatever per-use check. Idiotic. The WGA and now SAG are proving, again, that creative people shouldn’t represent themselves. Or at least not let their hardly-ever-working leadership do it. Those people are among the least qualified to negotiate union contracts. Less qualified? The NLRB “mediators.”
Pussies.
When strange things like this happen, someone’s pockets, somewhere, somehow, are getting lined.
I have been fallowing this all from a distance, waiting for it to end so my production company can sign contracts with WGA,DGA,AFTRA, and SAG.
What I’ve seen, show’s me the AMPTP, has got everybody by the balls. The cornerstone of collective bargaining, is a fair deal for all parties. You have the majority of the real power, and all the talent. Yet the opposition plays you off against each other. Playing the artist ego complex like a violin. In the end you all got crumbs, when you should have gotten a slice. I hope you all spend some time at the community collage, learning about business before the next contract is negotiated. I sure you will, because you got stung this round.
This is just the opinion, of a black hearted, artist’s soul sucking bastard Producer.
Seriously. No one but the actors in the business care what deal actors get but everyone will care if you strike. Either you’re a big name actor who’s already worth millions, you’re a waitress who maybe works a few months out of the year or you’re one of these middle class actors who… well… still works a few months of the year. Face it. If you’re successful, it doesn’t really matter what deal you get and if your not, it’s not going to make a big deal either. If you’re in the middle, get a real job if you don’t like to get paid to pretend.
The American Federation of Television & Radio has merely become a device, used by the AMPTA, to divide & conquer the much stronger, talent heavy union that is The Screen Actors Guild. AFTRA should be completely disregarded as having any influence in all continued negotiations between SAG and the AMPTA. The only logical recognition of the “Open,” and “Live Shows Only”(HaHa) Union can be that of an insignificant, antagonistic, side character, at best. Otherwise, the AMPTA has already won. AFTRA will only continue to eat away at not only SAG’S jurisdiction, but also at all future contract negations for Screen Actors Guild members’ “just due.”
I have spoken to a number of SAG/AFTRA dual card-holders who very frustrated with how AFTRA carries out the basic tasks of a democratically-run union. Is it possible dual card-holders are complaining to SAG about AFTRA because nobody at AFTRA is listening?
SAG strives for transparency. It is quite possibly the single most open union in the United States in this respect.
We need to understand what AFTRA is doing, both with this new proposed agreement and in undercutting SAG for shows like Dirt and Damages. They’re growing their union, and they’re taking the easy route – it’s a lot tougher to organize a national newsroom like Fox’s (which, if you’ve examined their hiring and firing practices, may well be ripe for the taking in spite of the station’s lunatic-fringe politics) than it is to cut sweetheart agreements with moguls to screw actors on new scripted programming.
In short, AFTRA has placed a higher priority on growing the union than looking out for the best interests of the membership.
I personally have never had an elected SAG leader or employee of the guild lie to my face. I cannot say the same for AFTRA, and I only started attending joint meetings this year!
I cannot emphasize enough how damaging AFTRA’s New Media provisions are to actors, and to SAG. Any producer may now label ANY scripted project with a budget of under $300k/$500k as a “New Media” project under what is in practice an AFTRA non-contract, and blatantly exploit on-camera talent with neither supervision nor repercussions. With this proposed agreement, AFTRA has clearly failed in the single most basic function of a union – making sure that work that they themselves call union work is actually covered by the union.
Given this most recent stab in the back, and given this basic abdication of responsibility, has the time come for SAG to take steps to distance itself, disentangle itself, from AFTRA? Is it time to treat AFTRA less like a fellow union and more like a cut-throat competitor, like an arm of the corporations?
AFTRA isn’t working for actors. They are working for producers. As an AFTRA member I would like to picket AFTRA…supposedly the union that represents me. Confusing right? ACTORS! DON’T WORK AFTRA CONTRACTS!!!
Nikki, you’ve obviously become a mouthpiece for SAG. Too bad. Some objective reporting about these things rather than just parroting what SAG insiders tell you would serve everyone much better.
All to those AFTRA cardholders who don’t like the deal? Just vote NO. If it is truly a terrible deal then most members will vote NO and the deal is dead. It’s that simple.
It’s worth noting that a great many DGA members are A.D.s who go on to become UPMs & subsequently producers. They are straddling he fence at best. The studios offer UPMs bonuses to ensure they are motivated to squeeze the budget and not look out for the crew they interact with on a daily basis. There are many UPMs who hold DGA cards.
As for my own union Tom Short is very quietly negotiating our deal now. A year ahead of the deadline.
Comment by 44 member — May 29, 2008 @ 8:50 am
This is a patently false assertion. The studios do not give bonuses to UPM’s. In the bad old days of the ’80′s, perhaps, but UPM’s work for scale like everyone else. Also ALL, not “many” UPMs hold DGA cards. You don’t know what you’re talking about.
The DGA fucks the WGA. AFTRA fucks SAG. When did Hollywood become union vs. union instead of unions acting in union for the common good of all?
Jimmy Hoffa must be turning over in his 55-gallon drum.
I wish UPMs were paid bonuses on what they save the company. Sure would be nice to make more than scale.
I think it was clear the the AFTRA deal wasn’t a good one when they used the same language to desribe it (e.g., “groundbreaking” or otherwise “historic” type terms) as the WGA did to describe its own. Regardless of the perceived quality of the AFTRA deal, it would be hypocritical for SAG to criticize it after they blew smoke up the WGA’s butt when they congratulated them on their deal.
Sleep, sweetie. They needed sleep.
Too bad that the MeFirst mafia felt slighted. Everything revolves around their schedules? Get real.
MeFirst is becoming irrelevant. They’ve always been useless.
The sad thing is that they’re making SAG irrelevant too.
Just gonna say this one more time here: Maybe if the two unions hadn’t spent so much time arguing with each other, they could have gone to the AMPTP united, but instead they went in divided. And well both parties will get screwed in the end.
As a longtime member of both SAG & AFTRA, I am disgusted with both unions.
If you don’t like AFTRA’s contracts and don’t want to work them, take an Honorary Withdrawal. No more of your money going to dues!
If you are sick of SAG, but need to work SAG occassionally, go Fi-Core! It’s your legal right under federal law…
Think about what would happen if tens of thousands of dual members did that tomorrow!
So what would happen if 44,000 dual card holders vote NO ?
It’s the only way I can see to save our future and let SAG make a fair deal.
AFTRA must be stopped…..
Peggy Lane O’Rourke
Yup. Sounds like ol’ Nikki’s got herself firmly attached to the MembershipFirst propaganda pipeline. They’re famous for posting and pressing through shills like Arlin Miller – but I thought Nikki was supposed to be better than that.
I will be voting no on the AFTRA contract and I wish I could help in an organized campaign of dual cardholders to arrange a boycott of the deal. SAG I guess can’t officially tell it’s members to vote no, but a grassroots campaign could be arranged.
This whole situation with SAG , AMPTP and AFTRA is such a joke. Are they in kindergarten, playing with blocks? They are playing with people livelihood and the sad thing is they just dont care. Get it together people and grow up. Makes me disgusted to be in the Entertainment Industry. I can see why so many people around the world laugh at the Biz, it really is a sad joke of small minded people.