

EXCLUSIVE (keep refreshing for latest news): This is a virtual repeat of how the group representing the Big Media companies acted during bargaining with the WGA, including how the AMPTP and moguls pitted the directors guild against the writers guild.
Only this time the AMPTP is manipulating actors versus actors. I’m told that today the representatives for the clique of Hollywood CEOs announced it was going to meet with AFTRA starting tomorrow and therefore was walking away from the table during negotiations with SAG — even though the leadership of the big actors union made clear it wanted to continue talking. I’m told that SAG asked for a third extension of the talks, but the AMPTP refused, instead offering to resume talks only as late as May 28, only a month before SAG’s contract expires the end of June.
“They are doing what we all thought they would do, walking away from table,” a SAG board member just told me this afternoon. “They said, ‘We have to honor this obligation that was made to AFTRA.’ So they’ve walked out on us without ever getting back to us after we have made major concessions to a number of things they came in asking for. What’s worse is they have not come up with one counter-proposal to our proposals.”
6:30 PM UPDATE: The AMPTP and SAG issued separate and, as expected, wildly conflicting, statements as to the cause of the breakdown of the talks. (See both statements below.) But SAG confirmed my reporting: that “the AMPTP suspended negotiations with SAG today over the objections of SAG’s negotiating committee. The committee had urged that the AMPTP continue discussion and had offered to negotiate around the clock if necessary in order to secure an agreement.” The AMPTP blamed SAG’s “unreasonable demands” but did not provide even one example of a compromise or concession made by the media moguls side..
4:30 PM UPDATE: I’d heard throughout these negotiations that AMPTP president Nick Counter has been virtually daring SAG to strike. Now I’ve learned that he did actually dare SAG to strike. According to my sources, during the starting day of the AMPTP-SAG official negotiations, ”The first thing that came out of Nick Counter’s mouth was, ‘These proposals are unreasonable. Well, I guess you’d better prepare for a strike.’ ”
I’ve also learned that the AMPTP is trying to push through a contract provision strenuously objected to by the SAG leadership that would give the media moguls free and unlimited use of short clips of actors’ work in TV and movies. Specifically, the studios and networks want to do away with what they see as the tedious and expensive process where they have to obtain consent and then pay for using a SAG member’s clip. So the AMPTP is demanding to be able to use roughly a 5-minute clip of an actor appearing on TV, and a roughly 10-minute clip of an actor appearing on film, without having to ask for consent or to pay. “They also want to use it as much they want,” a SAG insider tells me. “So actors leave themselves open to the absolute overexposure of their images which also can be associated with god-knows-what. And the studios and networks can make a special of the clips and never pay an actor extra. It’s not only unacceptable, it’s outrageous. There is not a member in this union who would agree to that. We don’t work for free.”
Another demand made by the AMPTP concerns so-called “French hours”: I’m told the moguls want to do away with an actor’s break for lunch. “I don’t know why it’s called French hours since the French spend two hours for lunch,” a SAG source explains to me., “If the AMPTP has its way, then actors would be working while holding a plate of food.”
I’ve learned that SAG President Alan Rosenberg, and chief negotiator/national executive director Doug Allen, sat in today’s meeting feeling a breakthrough in the negotiations was as far away as it’s ever been. “These three weeks have just been a colossal waste of the union’s time. Doug and Alan are really disappointed in these people who make up the AMPTP because they’re not willing to make a deal and they’re so completely predictable. And there’s not even one person in that room for them authorized to agree to anything.” (For background, see my previous: Media Moguls Nix SAG Demands and First News About SAG-AMPTP Talks.)
That’s certainly true: the only way that the DGA and WGA obtained deals was by negotiating directly via backchannels with moguls Peter Chernin and Bob Iger, and by cutting out the pro forma nonsense with Nick Counter, the studio and network labor lawyers, and everyone else at the AMPTP altogether.
During the writers strike, WGA board member Tom Schulman issued what he called The Playbook Of The AMPTP. I can attest to the fact that, based on what I’ve heard went on during these AMPTP-SAG negotiations, nothing has changed. It doesn’t matter how much the big actors union leadrship hopes a deal will be done sooner rather than later. Because the AMPTP is slowing down the process when, if anything, it should be speeded up on account of the de facto strike that exists right now in greenlighting Hollywood movies.
A favorite negotiating tactic of Nick Counter’s is to repeatedly offer nothing new until each guild is forced to negotiate against itself by continually reducing its demands. This is exactly what was done here. Already, just in three weeks’ time, SAG has softened its proposals: for instance, it’s agreed not to double residuals from DVD sales, instead asking for what would effectively be a 15% hike in DVD pay, as well as scaled back its 50% pay increase for guest stars on TV shows.
But, after much hemming and hawing in the form of so-called caucuses, the AMPTP failed to come back with a single response to any of these revised SAG positions. “They have not tried to negotiate at all,” a SAG insider said about the AMPTP. “These extensions on the talks were merely a ploy to situate themselves so they could be able to say, ‘We tried so hard with SAG’. When just the opposite is true. They did nothing. When we spoke to them about this, they insisted they’d ‘not had time to review it’. So, obviously, their only job description is, ‘Don’t make a deal.’
“We walked in to make a deal. But they walked in to not make a deal.”
One of the reasons that the SAG positions have not been made clearer is because the union leadership, rightly or wrongly, refused to go public while negotiating with the AMPTP. While the moguls side, as before with the WGA, used the mainstrean media and the trades as its mouthpieces. “Alan and Doug have remained mature and sober through this process by not trying to duke it out in press,” a talks insider tells me.
Of course, the AMPTP is trying to pressure SAG to accept the DGA deal as is, just like it tried to pressure the WGA deal to do that, too. (The Screen Actors Guild has 120,000 members, while AFTRA represents about 70,000 people. The two unions share 44,000 dual members.) And, just as before, the AMPTP will try to use a fast pact with AFTRA (and it will be a lousy pact, trust me, because that union’s always are) to induce SAG to accept less and not more.
For instance, I’m told that AFTRA has already agreed to the AMPTP’s demands to remove consent for clip use in the Network Code Contract its leadership recently negotiated. “It was in the fine print so, when it went out to members for ratification, they probably didn’t notice this,” a source tells me.
Regarding New Media, SAG is seeking that the Hollywood CEOs mandate exclusive guild coverage for original low-budget, made-for-Internet-only shows. The moguls agreed in previous deals that union contracts were optional for writers or directors for productions that cost less than $15,000 a minute. Now the AMPTP is refusing to consider any change.
On New Media just like DVD residuals, which SAG leaders Rosenberg and Allen have pledged to both better, I’m told that the AMPTP keeps using that old saw of, “We really need three years to look at this.” But SAG isn’t falling for that line anymore. “Nobody on the planet believes it will be revisited. The AMPTP goes on and on about how we’re ‘partners’. And we say back, ‘But there’s nothing about what you’ve done over the last three years that suggests you want to be our partners.”
Also the AMPTP keeps talking about how business practices are really changing and therefore challenging. SAG had a retort in the negotiations. ”We said, ‘Don’t you think its confusing that you’re telling the world you’re making a lot of money, and you walk into this room and cry ‘We’re poor boys’. One of the times they made a comparison between what an actor made in 1997 compared to 2007. Are they now going to announce how much their corporations made in 1997 versus what they made in 2007? When they’re clearly making incredible amounts of money especially in digital distribution.” (See my news today, Disney Latest Big Media Behemoth To Profit During Recession & Writers Strike.)
Earlier in the day, Disney CEO Bob Iger said in a conference call with financial analysts that the moguls had made their position clear to SAG. “The fact that we did deals with the writers and the directors should certainly signal our position on the critical issues. I think SAG is well aware of that.”
Causing further consternation is the fact that the AMPTP isn’t honoring even the existing contract with SAG: the actors union has filed arbitrations for the millions of dollars in force majeure payments that remain unpaid and still due.
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Here is the Screen Actors Guild statement issued tonight:
Los Angeles, May 6, 2008 — The AMPTP suspended negotiations with the Screen Actors Guild today over the objections of SAG’s negotiating committee.The committee had urged that the AMPTP continue discussion and had offered to negotiate around the clock if necessary in order to secure an agreement.
The AMPTP declined to continue negotiations with SAG claiming that it was necessary to turn their attention to negotiating with American Federation of Television and Radio Artists (AFTRA).
Screen Actors Guild National President Alan Rosenberg said, “It is unfortunate and deeply troubling that the AMPTP would suspend our negotiations at this critical juncture. We have modified our proposals over the last three weeks in effort to bargain a fair contract for our members. We are committed to preserving rights that have been in place for decades and not giving the studios the right to use excerpts of our work in new media without our consent and negotiation. Our negotiating team is prepared to work around the clock for as long as it takes to get a fair deal. We want to keep the town working.”
Over the last four weeks Screen Actors Guild negotiated in good faith and modified many of its proposals to the AMPTP. To date, the AMPTP has offered only a few modifications to its new media proposal which was submitted to SAG in three documents containing 36 provisions that differed from the deals agreed to with the WGA and DGA.
SAG’s National Executive Director and Chief Negotiator Doug Allen stated, “We were hopeful that we could continue negotiations with the AMPTP and reach a tentative agreement. We modified our proposals in effort to narrow the gap between us and now we need the AMPTP do the same. SAG’s objective is to keep the town working and get a fair contract, so we are gravely disappointed that we will now have to delay to a process that we started over three weeks ago. We are willing to work for as long as it takes to negotiate a good agreement for our members.”
The AMPTP put forward a proposal that differed substantially from the deals signed with the DGA and WGA. Management’s clip demand would gut existing provisions regarding actors’ consent to use of their clips and would allow studios and networks to use or sell clips – going forward and from their libraries – in any way they choose and without consent.
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Here is the AMPTP’s official statement tonight:
May 6, 2008: On Friday, May 2nd, the AMPTP agreed to extend our talks with SAG on a day-to-day basis through today, as long as the parties were making progress. We therefore regret to report that insufficient progress has been made to extend negotiations for a third time. Indeed, the negotiations were thrust into reverse by SAG’s persistent refusal to acknowledge that the three deals already struck with the writers, directors and AFTRA reflect the economic realities faced by everyone in our industry, including actors.
In particular, significant differences remain on DVD residuals, streaming, made for new media, and new media use of clips and library material. Under these circumstances, with SAG’s continued adherence to unreasonable demands in both new and traditional media, continuing negotiations at this time does not make sense.
We will begin scheduled negotiations with AFTRA on Wednesday, May 7th and have offered to resume negotiations with SAG at a future date.
Over the course of 18 days of negotiations, both parties made compromises and concessions. Unfortunately, SAG’s negotiators continued to insist on some of the Guild’s most unreasonable demands in both traditional and new media areas. As a result, it was not possible to reach the same kind of agreement that the Producers have already reached with the WGA, the DGA and the AFTRA Network Code.
Even though this round of negotiations has ended without an agreement, we hope that these three weeks of work have helped lay the groundwork for an agreement that can eventually be reached prior to the June 30, 2008 expiration of the current SAG-AMPTP contract.
Of course, in the aftermath of such an intense negotiating period, statements of disappointment are to be expected. As you consider these statements, it is worth keeping in mind the following key points:
· Our industry was not starting from scratch with this round of SAG negotiations. On the contrary, over the last three months three separate labor agreements have been reached with our industry’s writers and directors, and in the AFTRA Network Code negotiations. During these negotiations, AMPTP made many compromises from our initial demands to reach these three new labor agreements.
· SAG actively participated in the WGA strike, witnessing first hand the difficulties all parties had in reaching a deal on complex new media issues. In addition to observing the WGA talks, SAG also had observers in the AFTRA Network Code negotiations.
· Despite the existence of these recent three agreements, and despite SAG’s direct experience with the WGA strike and the AFTRA Network Code negotiations, SAG negotiators came to this newest round of negotiations with more than 36 major new proposals – and more than a few of those were deal-breakers.
· The AMPTP negotiators took the opposite approach, introducing a modest package of just eight narrowly-tailored proposals.
· From the very start of these negotiations, then, SAG refused to respect the sound basis for the writer, director and AFTRA Network Code labor agreements, while the AMPTP consistently urged SAG to recognize and build upon the framework of those agreements.
· In the end, this round of SAG negotiations ended without an agreement because SAG simply refused to recognize the fundamental business and labor principles that have already been accepted by directors, writers and producers.
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This whole situation was entirely predictable. The studio guys listened to the SAG guys rhetoric during the WGA strike and believed that they wanted to strike. The basic SAG problem is supply and demand. You have 120,000 actors and what say 3000 active jobs available if that. All a strike will do is reduce the number of available jobs as the networks move to reality/gameshow formats with a celebrity host and general public participants. I don’t watch them but apparently a lot of people do and thats either more than the previous scripted show or at least 75% of the audience they were getting with the more expensive shows. I believe that last strike decimated the made for TV movies that were done in the US and moved them to Canada. I used to enjoy the movie of the week on ABC that made a lot of good TV movies but they don’t make them anymore. Same for NBC that had a lot of police based movies that were very well done. CBS is the only one left and they do what two Hallmark ones and maybe a couple of the Tom Selleck movies each year. Just look at the cable channels that produce numerous ones like Lifetime and Hallmark. They are all made in Canada now. If SAG strikes then I bet there will be a bigger northern migration and mayne even a southern one as well. If the studios can make movies in Australia then why not a couple of TV series.
Writer- My comment was not ridiculous, if you asked the average person on the street they wouldn’t know how much the average actor made, and would think they were over paid. Because all we see is the “movie stars” that’s who we associate with SAG. Not just your everyday actor. *does that make sense*
The Producers were the clear victors by the time the WGA Strike came to its end; why should they deviate from their playbook?
I feel like I just tripped, hit my head, and woke up 6 months ago. It’s all the same, except the acronyms involved are different.
The AMPTP said:
Kinda like the AMPTP consistently “urged” the WGA to take a crappy deal or else face the wrath of the rest of the industry while taking the older, crappier one?
I think the only “sound” involved here is the sound of a giant corporate vacuum slowly sucking (even as greedy iron fists are squeezing) whatever gasps of life are left in each of its so-called “partners”.
I’m a WGA member, ashamed by my guild’s characteristic weakness during our own strike, and I say to my SAG brothers and sisters: Stay strong, stay out, stay together! And remember, you have a real president, we had Verrone.
TV Fan–
Yes, it makes sense, if by “sense” you mean insisting you are still right when you are faced with facts that indicate you are wrong.
If you can use your computer to post uninformed opinions, perhaps you could also use it to Google “average actor income.” Your very first hit will be a United States Department of Labor site. Then, assuming you can read, scroll down about 3/4 of the page, and you will find this paragraph:
>Some well-known actors—stars—earn well above the minimum; their salaries are many times the figures cited, creating the false impression that all actors are highly paid. For example, of the nearly 100,000 SAG members, only about 50 might be considered stars. The average income that SAG members earn from acting, less than $5,000 a year.
>>Your comment is ridiculous. It is movie STARS who are “over paid” {sic}, not actors. The average actor makes less than $5000 a year.
You said it all right there – 120,000 union members, the majority of which make less than $5000 yearly.
Those numbers reflect a social club, not a labor union. SAG went off the rail years ago. Counter doesn’t even have to pick up the phone – BECAUSE THERE’S NO ONE ON THE OTHER END.
Yeah, it’d be nice if going to the movies was about more than the latest craptacular crap.
Gee, what would we do if the United States of America had a Justice Department that knew what the Sherman Anti-Trust Act was?
“Bob Zemeckis said something to be very prophetic about ten years ago. He said eventually the studios are going to try to get out of the movie business. They don’t make enough money, they don’t like the hassle, they just don’t care.”
Sorry, but movies make billions of dollars and will continue to do so. Yes, the studios of yore did disappear – about twenty years before Zemeckis said they would disappear – I guess no one told him. (Zemeckis is the last guy I would quote about the movie business, but okay. He’s the guy letting the computers act for his films, right? Yes, that’s the future, Bob. Go for it!)
The real geniuses of Hollywood don’t live in LA but reside on Wall Street, the people who re-created and now control these endless global revenue streams of American entertainment – just like the securities packaged from your crappy adjustable rate mortgages. They invented the new engine and that’s where all the money flows. Save for a quick pit-stop to a few lucky stars in LA who are allowed a little peek at how it all works. But it’s just a peek. Just enough to sell tabloids.
The words ‘Hollywood Studios’ don’t describe traditional companies as much as they describe global revenue streams. Pointing away from this town, with a bullet.
Looks like another strike. By that time, gas will be $4.50 per gallon. Bicycle anyone?
I would like to encourage my union, SAG, to stick to its guns and continue to take the high road through this process.
I would like to encourage my fellow union members to not be dissuaded by anything the AMPTP throws at us – lies, trolls, or even AFTRA’s carcass. Let us not be distracted by “French Hours”; it’s a canard, just like residuals against the WGA. Let us not be disheartened or distracted by their using time and/or timing as a negotiating tactic.
The game-changer is New Media. Nothing SAG negotiates rooted in the world of Old Media will remain relevant if it doesn’t carry over to online distribution, web-based content, cellular, IPTV, satellite or broadband distribution of theatrical features and other content to theaters, so on. SAG has jurisdiction over New Media. That is established, and over the next few months should be strongly reinforced.
New Media makes this a once-in-a-generation negotiation for SAG. Given the fundamental changes represented by New Media, it is no exaggeration to say that the relevance of SAG as a union is on the line this year. The solidarity of the membership – from the biggest A-lister to the middle-class actor to the specialists and the background – is vital to the success of these negotiations. If we want to have a union we can turn to when we’re screwed on the set, or screwed on the Internet, or screwed on the check, then we have to show our solidarity through one of the most fundamental of union responsibilities – contract negotiations.
Nobody wants a strike. However, if, in the judgement of Mr. Rosenberg and Mr. Allen, a strike is required, we must stand ready to answer their call.
I believe that’s Minnie Driver in one of the photos holding a UNION sign.
Which I find quite ironic as about 10 years ago I was supposed to work on a movie that she and her sister were producing and her production company fought tooth and nail to prevent IATSE getting involved and the crew turning union. But I guess that’s different though, isn’t it?
Buzz,
You have to be certifiable if you think “morality” is a word in the AMPTP lexicon. To appeal to their sense of right and wrong is just about the stupidest, most naive thing I’ve read on here, with all due respect. I feel that you don’t understand the species. It’s all about money, power, leverage, and ends justifying the means. It’s about the Art of War and manipulation. It’s about winning at all costs. It’s about taking every last cent you can and then grabbing a couple more when no ones looking. Or a few billion with some tricky accounting. Sorry to say we’re not dealing with people that care. Nick Counter’s world is not that touchy feely.
Julius,
Would you mind being more specific about what you’ve been hearing? You don’t have to name names of course, but just for the sake of everyone’s safety (that you seem so concerned with), maybe you could let us in on what’s being discussed.
Allens=losers.
Stick with the MeFirst nonsense, and this is what you get.
Let’s hope AFTRA nails down a contract worth working under, and then, see ya SAG!
Okay did anyone see the HR quote by some Entertainment Attorney Jack off. Amazing.
Hey, “writer”: nice to see you’re up to your same ol’ tricks, e.g. attacking anyone who would suggest that striking could (gasp!) do a lot of very real and substantive damage moreso than any theoretical gains to be made.
The AMPTP is a joke; you’ll get no argument from me on that front. But TV Fan’s point is very valid. The average American will feel no sympathy for SAG b/c the face of SAG currently is the A-List Multimilliionaire Club who grace the tabloid rags and websites. (Not to mention that if SAG DOES strike, who do you think will be the primary voices leading the charge/evening news coverage? It ain’t going to be “Jogger 2″ from Juno.)
Regardless of how right your numbers are, the general public will have little patience or sympathy w/ the current political and financial climate being so desolate.
So lay off TV Fan, cut the “any dissenting voice is a shill” act, and realize that strikes can do more damage than good in some situations. (And on the heels of a previous work stoppage? The damage is exponentially increased.)
The AMPTP is garbage for walking away. But SAG isn’t w/o fault; and as a paid member, it’s my right to say so.
Being forced into a summer strike, when networks will make easy ad revenue during the Olympics, NBA Playoffs and World Series, with the strike ending for fall premiere just delayed by a month. AND with their 2009 film slate already in the can.
Shame how it all works out in their favor. Sigh
Hey Writer –
Once again, your posts prove narrow minded and short-sighted.
What TVFan was saying is, he (being a FAN of TV, and relating more to the general public than anyone even remotely connected to our field) does not think of the baristas and waitstaffs working double-shifts whilst hoping to land their next audition. He thinks about the Clooneys and the Pitts and the Damons.
Lemme put it like this, since you obviously lack perception in thinking outside of your little brain: When you heard ‘Oh, boo hoo, some poor struggling artistic writers are striking,’ did you give a good goddamn about the tens of thousands of genuine blue-collar below-the-liners that were being put out of work? No, you didn’t, and neither did middle America, because everybody loves a little romance. Struggling nebbish writers taking on the man? That’s feasible. The actors, though? Not so much.
And for all of those posting ‘Welcome back to the shills!’ and ‘Watch out for the trolls!,’ it’s sweet you’re thinking of us, but we’ve been here all along. We’ve just been busy trying to work instead of basking in self-importance and assuring ourselves that our next strike :::will::: work, unlike those before us.
Unfortunately though, we don’t exactly have horns and tails. Believe it or not, I’m not against the little guy, I’m just saying, after the WGA strike, I’m thinking News Corp stock is looking very nice right now. Make it a long painful SAG Strike, and maybe I’ll be able to regain all the lost BTL wages I’ve lost in stock growth.
Julius Fort said, And, based on what I’ve heard said on various crews, some are not far away from doing desperate things. I hope, truly hope, that SAG doesn’t strike, because I think bad things will happen this time.
Julius, since you seemingly know the thugs on “various crews” who are “not far away from doing desperate things,” when the time comes for those “bad things” you speak of to happen, tell them to come see me, because if the need arises, I am POSITIVELY voting to strike. I WILL NOT let my well being be held hostage by others.
Your “various crews” can hold me accountable all they want, and if physical retribution is their goal, well, let them try. There’s a reason I get all those Big Scary Villain roles.
Hey, here’s an idea: if your people are looking to rough somebody up, what about the AMPTP? They’re the ones who have opted, six weeks before our contract expires, not to negotiate.
He’s probably right, but like a lot of problems in the business world most of the problems are their own damn fault.
The whole “screw everybody” business model has created what I call a “self-fulfilling idiocy.”
Their constant attempts to squeeze every last nickel out of the industry and keep it only for themselves are the reason why:
-Production costs have Zimbabwe style inflation when technology means that it should be getting cheaper.
-Investors are for the most part wary of getting involved.
-Their accounting system makes sure that the only folks getting really rich are the movie stars with the most powerful agents and the litigators.
If any company wants to save the film industry, they have to:
-Give the audience what it wants. Entertaining stories that are well told that are neither insulting, condescending, or annoying.
-Take advantage of new technology to lower costs.
-Stop screwing everybody, so you don’t have to pay $20 million up front to every yahoo whose been on the cover of People Magazine, so investors wouldn’t be afraid to get involved, and to stop wasting millions on litigation every year.
Then maybe the industry can get its head out of its collective butt and get back to making money by entertaining people.
“These proposals are unreasonable. Well, I guess you’d better prepare for a strike.’ “
I’m sorry, is that “daring”? I think it’s sardonic at best. But daring? That’s a bit of stretch. According to this report, it sounds as though Counter said, “I DARE you to strike! Double dare you!!!”
Gee, why is our blockbuster, huge victory deal not good enough for SAG?
Oh, wait, it’s a shit deal and our leadership spun us to hold onto power after caving.
Again I don’t see any arrogance. Actors don’t have a RIGHT to act in films or television. If they cannot deal with the deal on the table, go get me my french fries before they get cold.
* Looks at story on GTA IV making 500 million…
* wonders why there are no residuals on video game VO work…
* wonders why SAG didn’t focus on the gaming market more, since they sell more than fuckin’ DVD’s anyway..
* wonders why Julius Fort keeps posting ominous messages about people doing desperate things..he couldn’t be shilling for anyone, could he? Nah..