
Today SAG president Alan Rosenberg hand-delivered this letter to AFTRA’s national office in Los Angeles for his counterpart at AFTRA, Roberta Reardon, asking to hold a 2-hour official SAG-AFTRA debate. I’m all for it — as long as there’s a wrestling ring, gooey mud, and blind referees. Unfortunately for me, Reardon turned down the offer:
Dear Roberta,
In light of the fact that SAG and AFTRA members are receiving conflicting information regarding the tentative AFTRA agreement and its impact on SAG’s ongoing negotiations, we believe it would be informative and productive to hold an official SAG/AFTRA debate as soon as possible.
I am specifically requesting that we schedule a joint membership meeting over the next week for members in Los Angeles, at which we discuss and debate the facts. I hope you agree that it would be productive for members to hear directly from both of their unions.
SAG welcomes the opportunity to have a full and frank discussion with our members present. We are proposing a 2-hour event, with you, Matt Kimbrough, David Jolliffe and me. We would agree on a moderator, perhaps someone from the Los Angels County Federation of Labor or the Department of Professional Employees (DPE) would be appropriate.
Please let me know as soon as possible if you agree that a timely debate focused on issues and actors, not personalities or institutions, is worthwhile, and what dates and times work for AFTRA.
In solidarity,
Alan Rosenberg
And Roberta Reardon answered back:
Dear Alan:
I received your letter today inviting AFTRA to participate in a “2-hour event” with the Screen Actors Guild, where we would “debate” the terms and conditions of the tentative AFTRA primetime television agreement. The alleged impetus for this invitation is SAG Hollywood leadership’s belief that our respective members may be receiving “conflicting information” and that the AFTRA agreement is having an “impact on SAG’s ongoing negotiations.”
As you are aware, the AFTRA National Board overwhelmingly approved the tentative agreement we reached with the Alliance of Motion Picture and Television Producers and we are currently in the ratification process. AFTRA does not believe there is anything about this process that is distracting either SAG or the industry from good faith negotiations, nor do we believe that it has any impact on the ongoing talks. Further, we feel your request is somewhat disingenuous as a public debate would have no real practical purpose. All it would do is contribute to the destructive and divisive efforts of the last year instigated by the guild’s Hollywood leadership.
What is distracting and confusing for our members – and frankly, many in the entertainment industry – are SAG’s efforts to interfere with AFTRA’s ratification process. SAG’s misguided rhetoric and theatrics – holding rallies, town hall meetings, and the distribution of misinformation about the AFTRA contract – are certainly not serving the best interests of performers.
AFTRA, like the Directors Guild and the Writers Guild before it, has negotiated a solid agreement that delivers substantial improvements in wages and working conditions for all of our members.
We are proud of the deal and those who were directly involved with the negotiations are
educating AFTRA members about the merits of the Exhibit A contract. Given all of this, we decline your invitation.As a fellow labor leader and a dues-paying SAG member, I urge SAG to focus solely on its own negotiations, rather than wasting the time, energy and resources trying to undermine the new AFTRA contract.
In solidarity,
Roberta Reardon
National President
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I think there should be a court order banning them from using the words “In Solidarity” because there is no solidarity going on at all.
AFTRA appears to be positioning itself as the last union standing by the virtue of having a contract, any contract. SAG’s is acting like someone who caught their husband in bed with their mortal enemy, and is too busy trying to scold the husband they’re not seeing that their mortal enemy is sneaking up behind them with a garrotte!
It’s supposed to be business, but it’s become a soap-opera.
My solution: THUNDERDOME!
Two unions enter, one union leave.
We could sell tickets, and pay-per-view rights.
I oppose the war against AFTRA because I love SAG.
I speak out against this war, not in anger, but with sorrow in my heart,
and, above all, with a passionate desire to see our beloved Screen Actors Guild stand as a fine example of unionism.
I speak out against this war because I am disappointed with SAG,
and there can be no great disappointment where there is not great love.
I am disappointed with SAG’s failure to deal positively and forthrightly in negotiations with management.
We are presently moving down a dead-end road that can lead to disaster.
SAG has strayed to the far country of negativism and the politics of division,
and this unnatural excursion has brought only confusion and bewilderment to our members.
It has left minds distorted with irrationality.
It is time for all members of conscience to call upon SAG to come back home.
Come home, SAG.
Beggars can’t be choosers or run unions
Of course they don’t want to discuss this crappy deal openly with people in the room who actually want to analyze it. They’re behaving like 13 year olds given too much control over something. They know if that contract is brought out into the light it’s gonna shine through it like swiss cheese.
These idiots don’t ever give up. I guess the “anti-AFTRA” rally didnt generate the support he had hoped for, so now a debate??? That would be appropriate if they were running for office. When has a labor ever debated the merits of their contract with an outside? That is just stupid and absurd. He knew that proposal would be declined, I guarantee the next thing he says is the contract sucks and thats why she wont debate me (how predictable). But none of it helps SAG negotiate a deal with the AMPTP. As long as SAG is preoccupied with AFTRA, it will distract from their negotiations with the AMPTP (assuming there are any negotiations going on).
It is really looking like SAG’s whole negotiating strategy was “threaten a strike”. Now that they realize that a strike isn’t a realistic option, instead of seriously negotiating with the AMPTP plan B is harrass AFTRA. Let’s see what kind of deal that gets ya…
(and im not a shill, anybody with half a brain can see this is not going to end well for SAG)
what is the point of a debate? Roberta is right SAG has to tend their contract stop making this all about AFTRA. They have a deal, its time you got one as well
Oh
My
God
This travesty of union leadership that is SAG has just gone from bad to worse. I thought they were supposed to be debating the AMPTP? This smacks of desperation, as if they can’t win the battle with the AMPTP with their own poorly prepared presentation, they can only hope that the AFTRA contract gets voted down. A losers strategy to be sure. I’m hoping this is the bottom for this group, cause then they’ll start to rise again. But somehow I doubt it.
does this mean that when the features and Television are shot on digital format, AFTRA actors can be used since AFTRA has a deal for all new media?
Reardon said: nor do we believe that [our contract and ratification] has any impact on the ongoing talks.
What planet is she living on where she thinks her contract covering acting work has no impact on SAG’s contract covering acting work.
I wish I could sit back and laugh at all of this but it seems to me that AFTRA is taking this opportunity to try to grab as much of the acting pie as possible and praying that in the future they can work a better deal on what they get. Meanwhile it’s the actors who are going to be hurting in the short and probably long term.
Wow. People’s lives and careers hang in the balance, and SAG wants to have a debate…how about pistols at 20 paces, for fuck’s sake? are they serious? get da fuck outta here..ran into an aftra board member at an audition..I was urged to vote yes on the proposals..I almost laughed in the board member’s face..reardon runs from the building to avoid briefing SAG..now SAG wants to do a deathmatch, with all of us in attendance..and..oh..there’s the sound of another actor/writer/director/BTL’er etc, losing their homes to foreclosure…fuck, I don’t have july rent myself..and SAG wants to debate..LOL..can we recall these motherfuckers and get someone else in there?..I’ve had enough of both SAG and AFTRA. you both suck.
What in the heck is little Alan up to? Can’t get a strike authorization. Can’t deliver on his campaign promises. Can’t get a rally at 5757 without calling out the paid staff. He wants to get Roberta in the room so his rowdies can yell and scream? And little David, the chair of his negotiating committee hasn’t been on camera since 2000? What ‘cha smokin’ Alan?
Why in god’s name are actual actors (or writers or directors) the primary (and apparently only) negotiators for the unions? We’re freaking show people. Our expertise isn’t contracts, labor negotiations, or business dealings. The AMPTP doesn’t send the director of development, they send professional attack dogs whose expertise is in breaking the other side of the table. Whereas we send day players and sitcom writers. Does anyone else think this is insane? No wonder we get our asses kicked every time.
This sounds like high school. Membership First shot their wads and now is time to clean up. Prediction come July first the producers will declare a lock out and will sign AFTRA contracts. Remember the air traffic controllers.
Another dumbass publicity stunt by the Allens. Negotiate a bleeping contract already, and let us earn money under the one AFTRA already has done.
The Allens are morons…
I hate you AFTRA. I stopped paying my dues and never will work an AFTRA contract again. You all can have your shitty AFTRA shows and shitty AFTRA contracts. Actors that vote yes on this contract should be screened for retardation. You just want to work so badly that you’ll take a deal that will kill your profession in the long run? Way to go, AFTRA actor. How did you even get in AFTRA? Years of being a professional, working actor? No? You just ponied up the initiation fee and threw the words AFTRA on your resume? Cool. You’re cool. I think not only should Alan fight Roberta, but all SAG members should fight all AFTRA members. And joint card holders can just smack themselves around a bit.
As a fourth-degree NFL (that’s National Forensic League) in high school, I would enjoy such a debate. Too bad Ms. Reardon turned it down.
Still, a debate of some sort is a possibility. Anyone active on some of the actor forums knows Tom Ligon’s name. Maybe Tom or another of the advocates of the proposed AFTRA deal would like to take on an opponent of the AFTRA deal online. There are free websites where we could host such a discussion like livevideo.com. Anyone who couldn’t log on live could grab the video or audio files later. There are all sorts of free sites for that, too. We would just need to arrange a time and a location with a broadband connection, and agree on a moderator.
THUNDERDOME. good idea.
I’m S-O-O-O-O disappointed not to be able to see those cute, fuzzy little guys in the faux Hells Angels’ jean jackets who do door guard-duty at SAG meetings, lookin’ all mean & humorless, doing kind of a Sonny Barger, “you starin’ at me?!” kind of thing at the members in the room. I’ll so miss the outraged howling and caterwauling that would have erupted from the floor at AFTRA Staff & actor/negotiators for having the audacity to claim that AFTRA’s Primetime Contract brings positive gains to actors: 10.33% gains in scale for day-players; 13% gain for actors in major roles; Solid internet jurisdiction at SAG terms direct from W&W; Held the line on clips for actors = SAG proposal; 5% increase in the number of background roles.
I’ll so miss the chance to strike again just like in 2000, see old friends, get free doughnuts, and shut the town down again, because I can, and what the hell difference does it make anyway? Hey, I’m a licensed Realtor with a Guild card!
I’m so depressed about the fact that we won’t have our own SAG/AFTRA Thunderball, Extreme Cage Fighting, blood-on-the-walls debate that I’m just going to have to vote “Yes” on the AFTRA contract…because I can.
Jeez, SAG. Let it go. You have debate and negotiating that needs to be done – with AMPTP, not f*&king AFTRA.
Turning your attention to AMPTP would at least provide an illusion of progress toward your contract goals as opposed to the continuing bitchfest with AFTRA that only confirms that none is being made.
The AFTRA ‘contract’ as reported quite obviously leaves its rank and file membership hanging on its own on issue after issue. Yes, Reardon, and her cronies, decided to protect their jobs by selling out her membership. Yes, they used obviously false reasons to back away from SAG. It was part and parcel of a clear strategy to expand AFTRA by undermining SAG’s jurisdiction in television, and without having to do the hard work of actually organizing non union broadcast outlets that are AFTRA’s jurisdiction. But as galling as all that is, this focus on Reardon and AFTRA does SAG West no good. It convinces no one and just lets her pretend to have the high ground without looking like a delusional conwoman.
And while I think that a good case could be made for AFTRA members to overthrow Reardon and her crew, as well as vote down this contract, that isn’t Rosenberg’s job at the moment. He needs to stop picking at that scab and concentrate on moving negotiations along, solidifying his membership, and making a public case for his Union and their goals.
I hope if this goes to a strike that we actors will have the guts to picket the big movie theatres in L.A. and shut down the summer movie season. That would really be a kick to the nuts that the studios are not prepared to counter.
AFTRA’s contract is a bag of shit. As a member, I’m deeply insulted at AFTRA leadership’s pretend sincerity: “The deal is great. Of course the deal is great. It’s unanimous! We negotiated long and hard! It’s comparable to the WGA and DGA deals!!!” As if we can’t smell their hysterical FEAR of the studio bosses? As if we can’t read and understand the goddamn thing ourselves? As if it’s not obvious that the WGA and DGA got scared for no good reason and caved in? (Why the fuck did the Oscars need to happen? Total Jedi mind trick there.)
Everybody stock up on cheap food and bicycles and get ready to demonstrate at The Arclight and The Grove. Torpedo the AMPTP. Let it be known that we’ll negotiate with each studio separately. Let’s stop being scared of these bastards! Time to slay some dragons!
This just gets better and better. Next up: The Lockout!
SAG, you are in your 30th or so day of negotiations and the contract is up in less than 2 weeks….FOCUS ON YOUR OWN CONTRACTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Signed,
Longtime member of SAG and AFTRA
Don’t listen to the SHEEP. You deserve a fair deal and the pennies on a dollar you will be happy with and strike over isn’t nearly enough. They have nothing without you.
Just when you thought it couldn’t get sillier….
Rosenberg needs to do what every actor needs to do…back off, stop talking, and let his agent negotiate the contract.