
Today SAG president Alan Rosenberg hand-delivered this letter to AFTRA’s national office in Los Angeles for his counterpart at AFTRA, Roberta Reardon, asking to hold a 2-hour official SAG-AFTRA debate. I’m all for it — as long as there’s a wrestling ring, gooey mud, and blind referees. Unfortunately for me, Reardon turned down the offer:
Dear Roberta,
In light of the fact that SAG and AFTRA members are receiving conflicting information regarding the tentative AFTRA agreement and its impact on SAG’s ongoing negotiations, we believe it would be informative and productive to hold an official SAG/AFTRA debate as soon as possible.
I am specifically requesting that we schedule a joint membership meeting over the next week for members in Los Angeles, at which we discuss and debate the facts. I hope you agree that it would be productive for members to hear directly from both of their unions.
SAG welcomes the opportunity to have a full and frank discussion with our members present. We are proposing a 2-hour event, with you, Matt Kimbrough, David Jolliffe and me. We would agree on a moderator, perhaps someone from the Los Angels County Federation of Labor or the Department of Professional Employees (DPE) would be appropriate.
Please let me know as soon as possible if you agree that a timely debate focused on issues and actors, not personalities or institutions, is worthwhile, and what dates and times work for AFTRA.
In solidarity,
Alan Rosenberg
And Roberta Reardon answered back:
Dear Alan:
I received your letter today inviting AFTRA to participate in a “2-hour event” with the Screen Actors Guild, where we would “debate” the terms and conditions of the tentative AFTRA primetime television agreement. The alleged impetus for this invitation is SAG Hollywood leadership’s belief that our respective members may be receiving “conflicting information” and that the AFTRA agreement is having an “impact on SAG’s ongoing negotiations.”
As you are aware, the AFTRA National Board overwhelmingly approved the tentative agreement we reached with the Alliance of Motion Picture and Television Producers and we are currently in the ratification process. AFTRA does not believe there is anything about this process that is distracting either SAG or the industry from good faith negotiations, nor do we believe that it has any impact on the ongoing talks. Further, we feel your request is somewhat disingenuous as a public debate would have no real practical purpose. All it would do is contribute to the destructive and divisive efforts of the last year instigated by the guild’s Hollywood leadership.
What is distracting and confusing for our members – and frankly, many in the entertainment industry – are SAG’s efforts to interfere with AFTRA’s ratification process. SAG’s misguided rhetoric and theatrics – holding rallies, town hall meetings, and the distribution of misinformation about the AFTRA contract – are certainly not serving the best interests of performers.
AFTRA, like the Directors Guild and the Writers Guild before it, has negotiated a solid agreement that delivers substantial improvements in wages and working conditions for all of our members.
We are proud of the deal and those who were directly involved with the negotiations are
educating AFTRA members about the merits of the Exhibit A contract. Given all of this, we decline your invitation.As a fellow labor leader and a dues-paying SAG member, I urge SAG to focus solely on its own negotiations, rather than wasting the time, energy and resources trying to undermine the new AFTRA contract.
In solidarity,
Roberta Reardon
National President
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Let’s face it. A SAG strike will not benefit all of us. However, it will benefit many of us, especially the young. If you’ve got years of this work ahead of you then a strike will benefit you. If you’re like Tom Ligon and in your golden years then a strike will not benefit you. Look at the people AFTRA marched out to show who is in support of the AFTRA contract and who don’t want another strike. They are all in the twilight of their careers. If you’re a young actor, you would be stupid to accept the AFTRA contract and should vote it down. This will give SAG more leverage in their negotiations and you more money in the long run. This is NOT about SAG versus AFTRA but about the young versus the old.
If you’re like most of the union membership and you only earn a small amount from acting then you really don’t have a dog in this fight. However, you (like the swing vote on Survivor) have a lot of power. The SAG alliance and the AFTRA alliance are working hard for your vote. In the long run you have to decide who is stronger and which alliance will get you further along in the game – the union that covers 95% of the scripted and 100% of the feature film work or the union that undercuts the other union to get more work for its members at lower pay so they can build a union. It’s not about getting what is fair for AFTRA members. It’s about growing their union and gaining power.
It is really unbelievable to me the idiocy of the “AFTRA Cheerleader” comments here. AFTRA F***ed actors in general when they decided, moments before negotiations, to negotiate without SAG because, “sniffle, sniffle, SAG wasnt’ nice to me, and threw sand in my eyes in the sandbox”…cry me a f***ing river, it isnt about your personal politics, this is about ACTORS livlihoods. Duke it out on your own PRIVATE time ROBERTA AND ALAN, you are screwing with our livlihoods here. And it blows me away that ACTORS are actually joining in this childish debate making their self identity around a union rather than around their individuality as an ACTOR. If the AFTRA board really cared about ACTORS, and not their independant longevity as a union, they would have picked their fight in private, AFTER negotiations. THAT was the initial cardinal sin. I am not siding with SAG on this either – I simply think ROBERTA and her cronies should be hung for picking thier fight LITERALLY MOMENTS BEFORE JOINT NEGOTIATIONS WERE TO BEGIN. PEOPLE – if you are going to pick a loyalty – be loyal to yourself….now someone in this personality war! OF COURSE AFTRA has reached a deal already!!! They bent over and sold ACTORS out, how difficult is THAT??? What kind of accomplishment is that??? What about that is there to be proud of? Where is your independance people – you are so glued to your image as an AFTRA member that you’ve lost your identity as an ACTOR???? Have you forgotten that the union is there to serve YOU, and not the other way around???? This has become like a school playground fight – with two leaders who hate each other, and everyone else standing around witn NO SELF IDENTITY – and so jumping to one side or another so they can say “this is who I am and I am part of a group who hates another group. Have you no independant identity as ACTORS? How many of the “we love AFTRA, we love AFTRA” chanters here have considered SAG’s dealpoint memo addressing AFTRA’s “wonderful” contract??? Honestly – it isn’t about “I am AFTRA” or “I am SAG”, it is about “I AM AN ACTOR, AND I WANT A GREAT CONTRACT, REGARDLESS OF WHO IS PROPOSING IT” How many attended the meetings to learn more about this, about both sides of this debate? How many attended the meetings of BOTH unions??? How can you consider yourselves well informed if you don’t honestly consider both sides? How many idiots go out and vote for president without seeing a debate between candidates so they actually KNOW who is proposing what? How many of you “we love AFTRA” whiners are actually ***DUAL CARD HOLDERS***? I AM. I don’t give a damn about who said what, or whose feelings got hurt, etc, this is about ACTORS – not the petty emotional schoolyard personal bullshit between the personalities on both union boards.
I AM A DUAL CARD HOLDER, and as a dual cardholder – I will be voting this crappy AFTRA contract DOWN. And NOT becuase I am a SAG LOVER and AFTRA HATER. I am not – I don’t love one union over the other – I am LOVER OF ACTING AND ACTORS. I am not a fan AT ALL of the current SAG Board – I’d sooner spend a night in prison than at dinner with them – but thats personal – this is business. Nor am I a fan of the AFTRA boardmembers. I was at the meetings – ALL OF THEM, I’ve done the homework, I have thoughtfully considered BOTH sides viewpoints, and contracts / proposals. I am not a pathetic cheerleader of one of the unions becuase I have no other identity, I am not an ACTOR wannabe – I actually work, under BOTH unions contracts, my identity is not represented by either union’s acronym. I want a contract that protects my rights and secures the future of my livlihood….as….get this….an ACTOR. I DO NOT LIKE EITHER Roberta OR ALAN personally – but that is PERSONAL…this whole contract thing is BUSINESS….learn to separate these two things people.
Personalities aside, SAG does indeed have well reasoned points of contention regarding the AFTRA contract, ******* and AFTRA negotiators would be hung for treason if their actions were a matter of national allegiance. *******
AFTRA’s collective moves, first to split off and negotiate separately JUST BEFORE NEGOTIATIONS WERE TO BEGIN because “wah wah, we don’t like the people over at SAG – they stole our marbles”, and then to sell out with a purely crappy contract, are dispicable.
Trust me, if those of you here touting “we love AFTRA” are actually real AFTRA members, you had better be smart enough to first of all quit basing your allegiance on childish emotions, and actually do your research. This isn’t about taking sides – ACTORS SHOULD ALL BE ON THE SAME SIDE FOR GOD’S SAKE. Screw AFTRA and SAG, lets be ACTORS UNITED. Do you really care about one union over another, or do you care about YOUR CAREER??? Do you have an identity as an ACTOR independant of a union acronym? Becuase if you go down the road of placing your identity with a UNION rather than with ACTORS, and you ratify this AFTRA contract rather than one that is sound – you can go attend all the pro AFTRA or pro SAG pep rallies you can possibly find – especially down the road, becuase you wont have a career – you won’t be making enough money as an ACTOR to sustain yourselves – you’ll have all the time in the world to attend pep rallies in your cheerleaders outfit because you’ll be spending the rest of your spare time filling out applications to work at Walmart or waiting tables. The union members whose identity is more about their union than their profession are just as childish as both of these union boards – you are an ACTOR first, not an AFTRA actor vs a SAG actor. Pull your heads out of your collective asses, and do your due dilligence, research both sides’ points of view, don’t be so bullheaded in an effort to “belong” to a “side”, that you ratify a contract just to snub the “other snot nosed kid”. Your allegiance should be first and foremost to your profession and your fellow actors, not to picking a side in some petty kindergarten union personality fight. Consider the deal memo points from both unions – and decide WHICH you’d rather have as your contract, and what types of deal points and you want to have secured.
Of course AFTRA shouldn’t debate it’s contract.
There should be a debate, though. But only after SAG has finished it’s deal. Let’s see how they do. Only then can a fair debate be had over who has achieved the better contract. Anything else is speculation, posturing and a waste of time.
–Todd Waring
Now….I’ve….heard….EVERYTHING! What a debacle.
All this vitriol about AFTRA’s “crappy” contract seems very odd indeed. AFTRA’s goal was apparently to get some gains, get some jurisdiction, and then get back to work during a time when there is less work than ever for professional, card carrying, entertainment union members.
This idea of a “strike for the future” seems awfully odd since every strike seems to give the people who actually write the checks more impetus to find a way to do business without the unions. The future you are striking for may simply be one where union membership is increasingly less relevant.
The anger, the drama of dueling unions, all of it is off the point. The point of a negotiation is to come up with a contract, the more you turn this into some kind of ideological battleground the more likely you are to kill your future, not secure it.
I’m just a suit, you can accuse me of being a shill if you like, but I have almost never seen a contract in any part of this business that anyone “loved” or that expressed a sense of “justice”. How could you? Contracts are nothing but a series of compromises that help everyone get on with the far more interesting activities of making television and movies.
Im so sick of all this talk about that tonly the actors are at jeporady here. Thats complete BS
What about the production and stage staff who rely on that weekly paycheck and dont get paid anywhere close to what the actors do? How are they gonna survive another strike. People are losing their homes.
SAG Get a contract. Take the deal WGA/DGA and AFTRA did. Its not the best but you never get all what you want. Its called compromise. If it was good enough for the writers etc, its damn good for you
Let’s call a spade a spade.
Now it is 5% increase in BG numbers. No, it is 1 extra slot for the whole 3 year contract.
AFTRA has been bragging for years that except for where they had to negotiate alongside SAG they have wall to wall coverage for BG (Not really true) and that the only reason they have a cap on the Exhibit A is the fault of SAG.
So why couldn’t they get more slots now? Why for that matter did they get 66% less slots then they did on the last contract where they were hampered by SAG.
Are you kidding me? Less than two weeks away from the contract expiring and Alan wants to play Red Rover with AFTRA? Two words, Alan: stay focused. It’s already clear that you aren’t going to get the dream contract that SAG members deserve. The best you can do at this point is to minimize how many negatives you’ll have to agree to. It sucks that this is the case, but it is. Deal with it. Requesting a debate on another union’s contract serves only to make you look petty and foolish. Not the best way to present yourself during a negotiation.
Josh, you are absolutely correct. The AMPTP will continue to have a decided advantage until that changes. Unfortunately, no one wants to give up their cushy union job, so they continue in the position they know they are not qualified for and blow smoke up membership’s collective asses blaming any and everybody else for their failures.
AMPTP is going to continue to exploit the weak union leadership until the union members have the courage to acknowledge the defiencies in house and address them. (unfortuantely, too many people blindly follow whatever the union says without educating themselves). For comparison, identify some of the strong unions in this country and look at how they are run compared to this mess.
Before and during the WGA strike, 98% of this site was pro WGA. Judging by the responses to this post, SAG is running at about 26%. Congratulations SAG leadership, you’ve got less of an approval rating than George Bush. Nicely done.
holy wall of text Unbelievable TLDR
If there is a strike/lockout and the TV season is cut short again with further audience erosion the only thing that will be left to negotiate is how big a pay cut. Less audience = less money and even less likely for the corporations to shell out more money.
Is this a joke? In the middle of negotiations is the president of my union concerning himself with debating AFTRA instead of getting the membership a contract and avoiding a strike? How in God’s name did this man, Alan Rosenberg, get elected to this position? Is he taking lessons in diplomacy from George Bush? Please, how long is it going to take to undo the havoc this man is about to wreak on SAG. I am beside myself at the way this behavior!
I can’t wait to stiff every waiter/sag member in town. You don’t wan’t qualified voting? Then experience the rath of btl’rs who are sick and tired of non working people screwing around with working peoples livelihoods. If I’m hurting because of your insanity then you will hurt.
Okay, I’m a dual card holder and like most I’m frustrated. I don’t want this town to shut down again. Is it me but AFTRA is bragging about a ten percent increase in minimums 3.5,3.0, 3.5 over span of the contract yet inflation is currently at 4.08 percent.
How is that not a rollback? The contract didn’t do much to help BG or stand-in’s either, isn’t the union to fight for all members on the food chain? In fact shouldn’t they fight harder for those more marginalized actors? I’m also concerned that many AFTRA members who are news anchors and weathermen will get to vote on our contract–yet we actors are precluded from voting on their contracts, how many of them will look at it from working actor point of view vs.the “looks good to me, I’ll vote yes”. Finally, as much as I’m a fan of James Cromwell and Sally Field as actors, I’d love to know what the last AFTRA contract they worked under. It’s easy to say VOTE YES when you never have to worry about working under that contract.
Comment from Marc: “Finally, as much as I’m a fan of James Cromwell and Sally Field as actors, I’d love to know what the last AFTRA contract they worked under. It’s easy to say VOTE YES when you never have to worry about working under that contract.”
AMEN…..THANK YOU!
I believe James and Sally have worked under an AFTRA contract. Sally does more than just Brothers and Sisters which i know is SAG
Look this whole thing is screwed up now. The best thing to do is compromise. Yes SAG and AFTRA wanted the same things in the beginning and probably still do but the difference that AFTRA stuck out its negoiating and didnt walk away for weeks like SAG did. If SAG had stayed maybe things could have been different probably not though.
Anytime anything is new, producers dont want to give up too much to start so compromise has to come into play. SAG needs to let AFTRA vote their contract and worry about SAG. There are 11.5 days until June 30yj. A deal can still happen,hopefully it does
Oh, Mark Pinter, I totally echo your comments and you are a great actor and I hope to see you on daytime again some day
To all the BTL’ers like “NOT GOING TO TIP” above:
No one put a gun to your head and made you do what you do for a living. Actors and Writers did not negotiate your contracts for you, and without the writers – none of us would have a f***ing job. If your job is so miserable, or the pay isn’t what you want – DO SOMETHING ELSE – its a free country. Dont spit your venom and self hatred onto others who have chosen another profession – it is not their fault you have the contract you do, that you get paid what you get paid – nor is it their fault that you do something you apparently dont thing you get paid enough for. That’s your union’s job – talk to THEM. Writers, Actors, and everyone else for that matter – including BTL – have a RIGHT to ask for whatever they think is fair – they have a right to bargain, and negotiate, just like YOU DO. You cannot POSSIBLY believe that it is ok for you to ask actors to forego their rights to bargain and negotiate just because you are not happy with what you get paid! It’s OUR turn to bargain, STAND DOWN. We weren’t standing over you, breathing down your throat while your contracts were negotiated – threatening you at every turn….you got a problem with your pay rate? Get another job or talk to your union about it. Don’t blame it on another union doing what they have a right to do. Do you have any idea how long it takes to write a feature film script to completion? do you have any idea how many scripts actually get bought? Do you have any idea how many actors work EVERY DAY or EVERY WEEK like most of you do? Writers and Actors are not yelling at you to “quit your bargaining so we can work”. You are overstepping your bounds – BACK OFF.
First of all , NOTHING will happen with SAG and the AMPTP until after July the 7th. The day the whole industry finds out if the crappy AFTRA deal will set the tone for the future. You know the future right?
The one where actors can work union free with virtually no protections thanks to the new AFTRA deal.
Until then, why not debate? SAG is just getting dicked around by Nick Counter like the WGA did. If, God willing and common sense prevails, the AFTRA deal gets voted down, then SAG can proceed to try to get a better version of it. To protect us all.
AFTRA WILL NEVER STRIKE !!! A SAG strike will probably not be authorized by a membership full of Iatse members, agents, producers and casting directors. So the ONLY strike dual card holders like myself have is to vote NO on the AFTRA contract. Why wouldn’t you?
Peggy Lane O’Rourke
Peggy,
Nothing will happen until July 7th??? Why do you think that is? SAG has until June 30th before their contract expires to negotiate a deal (and they have had months prior). There is no deal, and I agree there will be no deal. Because SAG doesn;t know how to negotiate. SAG’s strategy the entire time was to wait until the last minute and threaten a strike, but didn’t have the foresight to realize their members would not be so eager to strike on the heels of the writers strike. What is plan B? Any competent negotiator (or leader) has backup plans in place. The best backup plan is to debate AFTRA??? Get the hell out of here. You think Nick Counter is dicking SAG around? Well why not? The jokers are basjing their heads against a wall trying to fight AFTRA, of course Nick Counter and the rest of the AMPTP is gonna dick them around and laugh at them as well. They look like fools!
I just want to understand, you think this is a good strategy? You think they should wait until July 7th? You think they should be debating AFTRA instead of trying to negotiate a deal???
Let me tell what will happen come July 7th…
AFTRA ratifies its contract. The studios are in full-fledge lockdown on SAG productions. Studios will continue to produce AFTRA shows, while SAG actors are out of work (again). I cannot tell you how the crackpots running SAG will react, but I can tell what the AMPTP will do… Let SAG sit on the sidelines until pressure from inside the union (actors who want to work) pressure leadership to accept a deal any deal. At that point, SAG will be lucky to get what AFTRA got. SAG better get smart real quick and NEGOTIATE now while they still some leverage to achieve something.
@Wake up Peggy
If there is a lock out those sag shows will sign Aftra deals. I see it coming.
Well maybe if SAG got it’s butt in and dealt with the studios first, none of this would be going on now. But no they kept fighting with AFTRA… And now they are pissed off that AFTRA got a deal first, forcing them to look bad. “Get over it, suck it up and move on”
Stop the damn inner fighting and make a damn deal. You strike SAG will be left to blame.
Yes, let’s strike because AFTRA’s deal is so bad you all don’t like it.
Yes, Let’s strike, when the economy is weak and Gas prices are almost $5.00 a gallon.
Yes, let’s strike and not care how this will hurt the industry more than the WGA strike did.
*shakes head*
To: “Wake Up Peggy”
You must be an AFTRA Negotiator – you shake, tremble, and sweat just like they do, at the mention of standing up for rights and holding firm. If you are a SAG member, you should be ashamed of your weakness.
I hope AFTRA sucks it! They are assholes that obviously don’t care about their membership but only care about expanding their union.
Well, guess what? Actors don’t join a union thinking that it will make them great actors, they join the union because (they have to) and the intent is that their working rights and conditions will be protected. Well AFTRA isn’t performing any of those basic functions!
As screwed up as this whole debacle is, their contract is garbage – NY and Way Below the Line and Dual card holder: you’re so right on the money.
And for all you BTL’ers, I feel for you, I do. Honestly. But realize this: it’s not all about you right now. Here’s an idea – why don’t you take a page out of an actor’s book and go work as a waiter for a few months during the de-facto or actual strike. Then you can quit crying poverty.
Wait – what? That’s not good enough for you???? Oh, I get it. So if you’re out of work you’ll just sit around collecting unemployment insurance (does such a thing exist in the US?) and blame the actors for not having any “work” meanwhile, the actors will be busting their ass serving drinks, bringing food, walking dogs, fixing computers – and/or doing whatever else they usually will do between jobs.
In support of BTLer’s.
Most BTL’s from my experience enjoy their jobs. It’s hard work, and hard work seems to fit their mind set. Writers, Directors, & Actors depend on BTL’s whether some people choose to believe it, or not. Do the actors own the clothes they have to wear in the movies they are in? No, the wardrobe department does. They’re below the line. With the exception of NRA members, do most actors own the guns they shoot on screen? No, the prop person does. They’re below the line. How about the meals on the set, or snacks in between takes? I haven’t seen too many actors “brown bag it” lately. Catering is below the line. Choose to say that BTL’s whine, and that they should find another job somewhere else, and you’d certainly be asking for trouble. Actors can do small theater in Bigamy, UT. Writers don’t need to write movies, if they are true writers. Yes, BTL’s can find work elsewhere. Everyone else will have to learn how to do things on their own. Haha.