First, here’s the AFTRA’s press release with that guild’s statement by president Roberta Reardon. Then below it is SAG president Alan Rosenberg’s statement. At the very bottom is the AMPTP’s statement. (I’ll have my own analysis later…)
From AFTRA tonight:
LOS ANGELES (July 8, 2008) – The American Federation of Television and Radio Artists (AFTRA) announced today that AFTRA members ratified a new three-year primetime television agreement (Exhibit A of the AFTRA Network Television Code) reached with the Alliance of Motion Picture and Television Producers (AMPTP) by a 62.4% margin.
AFTRA—the nation’s second largest performers’ union—represents more than 70,000 actors, recording artists, broadcasters, and other talent working in the entertainment and media industries.
AFTRA National President Roberta Reardon made the following statement: “Today’s vote reflects the ability of AFTRA members to recognize a solid contract when they see it. Despite an unprecedented disinformation campaign aimed at interfering with our ratification process, a majority of members ultimately focused on what mattered—the obvious merits of a labor agreement that contains substantial gains for every category of performer in both traditional and new media.
“Clearly, this was not a typical ratification process, and it would be disingenuous to pretend otherwise. To those of us for whom labor solidarity is more than just a slogan, the idea that politically-motivated leaders of one union would use their members’ dues to attack another union is unconscionable. Working people do not benefit when their union is under attack.
“For the sake of our members, organized labor must be united, especially in a world of ever-increasing corporate consolidation. Given this, AFTRA leadership is eager to focus on several important initiatives in the months to come: Building on the suggestion of our valued supporters, we will seek to organize a summit of top actors, performers, and union leaders to engage in a thoughtful, constructive discussion of how we can achieve unity among performers—and ultimately, if feasible, merger of the performers’ unions.
“Given that working men and women accomplish more when we work together with trust and mutual respect, we will ask the leadership of the AFL-CIO AEMI ICC unions, the DGA, WGA and others in the labor community to come together well in advance of the next round of contract negotiations to explore ways of maximizing the leverage of entertainment industry workers.
“Finally, I intend to promptly review with our National elected leadership and the Presidents of all AFTRA Locals the conditions needed to restore trust to re-establish joint bargaining on our respective commercials contracts.
“I sincerely appreciate the committed work of the negotiating committee, elected leaders, the labor community, and individual activist members of AFTRA who worked tirelessly and publicly to secure this solid contract for television industry performers. I am especially grateful for the support of many joint members of SAG and AFTRA—such as those in Chicago, Florida, Houston, Nashville, New York, Portland, San Francisco and Seattle—who displayed courage in the face of potential retribution, by taking a stand against disunity with the power of truth and solidarity.”
Negotiations with the AMPTP over the AFTRA Primetime TV contract began on May 7. They concluded on May 28 with a tentative agreement that was unanimously recommended for approval by AFTRA’s 31-member negotiating committee. The AFTRA National Board of Directors overwhelmingly approved the primetime television contract on June 7 and recommended the deal to members, which was ratified today. The new contract is effective from July 1, 2008, through June 30, 2011.
And here is SAG prez Alan Rosenberg’s statement:
Los Angeles, July 8, 2008 — Screen Actors Guild National President Alan Rosenberg released the following statement today: “Clearly many Screen Actors Guild members responded to our education and outreach campaign and voted against the inadequate AFTRA agreement. We knew AFTRA would appeal to its many AFTRA-only members, who are news people, sportscasters and DJs, to pass the tentative agreement covering acting jobs. In its materials, AFTRA focused that appeal on the importance of actor members’ increased contributions to help fund its broadcast members’ pension and health benefits.Screen Actors Guild is the actors union with more than 95% of the work under this contract, jurisdiction over all motion pictures, and over 4 billion dollars in member earnings under the SAG agreement over just the last three years.
We thank the over 4,500 proud SAG members from all over this country who have signed the “SAG Solidarity Statement,” in support of their negotiators. The Screen Actors Guild national negotiating committee remains committed to our core institutional mission to improve the lives of actors and their families.
We will continue to address the issues of importance to actors that AFTRA left on the table and we remain committed to achieving a fair contract for SAG actors.”
And, finally, this is what the AMPTP has to say:
We appreciate today’s vote of confidence by actors in the agreement we reached with AFTRA, and hope that it demonstrates to SAG’s Hollywood leadership that there is support for the new economic relationships we have built with writers, directors and actors — and not much support for a strike, whether de facto or real.With this AFTRA ratification announcement, our industry has now achieved four major labor agreements within the last five months. These agreements — which offer both meaningful economic gains and groundbreaking new media rights for directors, writers and AFTRA members — are the result of difficult negotiations and many compromises by all sides. We hope that SAG’s Hollywood leadership will allow SAG members to vote on AMPTP’s final offer – which would give SAG members more than $250 million in additional compensation and important new media rights.
(See my two SAG/AFTRA/AMPTP articles in LA Weekly: here and here.)
Editor-in-Chief Nikki Finke - tip her here.







Sorry, but 62% is not a narrow margin of victory. Is it as high a percentage as it probably would have been without SAG’s interference? No, but it’s still a pretty significant margin of union members who essentially said that they wanted to continue working, period. End of story.
Deadlinewashingtondaily November 7, 1972
At Least It Was Close
Today Richard Nixon defeated George McGovern in a close election, winning by a margin of 60.7% to 37.5%. Nixon won only 49 states. He edged McGovern in the electoral votes by 520-17. McGovern took solace in the closeness of the vote.
“Good thing we spent that extra $150,000, because we might have lost D.C.,” said Gary Hart, McGovern’s campaign manager.
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Hey, come on. Let’s spin this as a victory. They’ll blame DJ’s and weathermen, but how many of those people actually voted on a primetime TV contract? I’m guessing very few. It doesn’t effect their lives. No, this vote was a vote by dual card holders from across the country. It was a message to the leadership. Get it done.
So, if S.A.G. decides to drag this out, I say let’s have a strike authorization vote. Let’s see where we stand.
It’s called a Super Majority.
The same that would have created a merge of SAG and AFTRA.
Hello? Are we ready?
I realize these are Hollywood types and not English teachers or statisticians, but the wording on the vote is confusing. 62% margin of victory means 62% more people voted for the contract that voted against. A 62% positive vote would be something else. It would mean that 38% voted against, making the margin of victory something less than 62%. So which is it? Because a 62% positive vote is hardly an overwhelming embrace of the new contract.
Hey there Nikki. Thanks for the information and the great forum of ideas you provide…
The REAL ISSUE of this particular negotiation should be glaringly obvious.
No matter what the RESULT of the various eventual ballots in this negotiation with the AMPTP… As important as the terms of this new deal and contract are, there is something far MORE IMPORTANT.
It should be OBVIOUS TO ALL REASONABLE AND INTELLIGENT PEOPLE, that there should NOT be TWO SEPARATE ENTITIES NEGOTIATING the SAME AREAS of work FOR ACTORS or ANYONE who PERFORMS SCRIPTED OR IMPROVISED MATERIAL for RECORDED MEDIA… or LIVE MEDIA for that fact.
Performance means just that, PERFORMANCE! Stunts, Dance, Singing, Background Work by Professionals. Voice Over, whether for Commercials or Animated Feature productions or on the radio, a pilot who carries out the maneuvers of a plane as indicated in a script… Puppeteers… Body Doubles… they are all acting to fulfill a creative vision that’s targeted at presenting a certain story to the public.
ONE VOICE needs to speak for all.
That is the task that should come from these negotiations, whatever the outcome, so that in the future, there is no haggling by labor over uncertain jurisdictions and the ability of unions to undercut one another for the same areas of work.
On the day that MEMBERS of these Acting Organizations REALIZE that the NEED for ONE GREAT ALL ENCOMPASING UNION speaking at the table for ALL ACTORS is more important than anything that might keep them APART, then and only then will ACTORS have the ability to truly MAXIMIZE their POWER in negotiations.
A House DIVIDED amongst ITSELF cannot stand… and is fodder for it’s ENEMIES. Especially when it’s enemies are ITSELF!
Nothing that has happened in these past few months between AFTRA and SAG was not predicted. Both of these GREAT UNIONS… and yes… they ARE UNIONS… have had the opportunity to join together. They had that GLEAMING HOPE. PHASE ONE… Negotiating TOGETHER was a part of that process.
However, if JOINING TOGETHER is NO LONGER the IDEAL… It becomes the FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITY of BOTH PARTIES to FEND FOR THEMSELVES and KEEP THEIR COFFERS and MEMBERSHIPS STRONG. BOTH UNIONS MUST FIGHT TO GAIN EMPLOYMENT for their MEMBERS, fight to PROTECT and INCREASE their JURIDICTIONS, and not SUBLIMATE their needs for the NEEDS of the GREATER WHOLE… Is it not OBVIOUS that this is what is happening?
The AMPTP has been given even MORE POWER at the table than it actually has, because of the INFIGHTING between the UNIONS. It’s gotten to the point where one cannot claim one’s SUPPORT FOR ONE UNION without ATTACKING THE OTHER. SUPPORT MOM and to HELL with DAD.
What a perfect position to place the AMPTP in. They are having their difficulties also in light of an uncertain future. They don’t know quite where their FUTURE MONEY is coming from… BUT ONLY A BLIND MAN can’t see that it’s coming. OF COURSE ACTORS, WRITERS, DIRECTORS and BELOW THE LINE PEOLE should SHARE FAIRLY in those profits with their Producer BROTHEREN. What is Fair? That is ALWAYS HAMMERED OUT AT the NEGOTIATION TABLE. And also in the CRUEL MARKETPLACE.
But… If you are going into a GUNFIGHT with a six shooter, and you only have THREE BULLETS… Shame on you…
I am reminded of a slogan the colonies used in shoring up their numbers to face the presumed overwhelming power of the British Army and Navy…
JOIN or DIE
As a dear friend of mine, Julie Michaels has said, Actors MUST form a LIKE MINDED FAMILY that SPEAKS with ONE VOICE.
Go Forward with Passion!
Congrats AFTRA on all your hard work and I truly believe that if you are a paid member of ANY UNION you have to right to vote on anything that comes to you for a vote
So stop knocking broadcasters and dancers they are major part of our industry too
Maybe SAG should conduct a poll to see how many dual members didn’t receive ballots.
PPS
I have to agree with those that believe that merger would have been the answer to this infighting nonsense. If all recorded actors were represented by the same organization, actors would have much more negotiating power.
Raymond Forchion for president!
Boo Hoo. Should of could of.
The me firsters put themselves first and the membership second. Justine must be cussing up a storm. Potty mouth to say the least. Where does Francis weigh in in all this bulls@@t. Silence is golden that’s why we don’t hear from them.
You know when you bluff and get called on it you either call or fold. I say ask your members for a strike vote and see if it’s call or fold.
To respond to various posters.
You don’t need to go HD to get a AFTRA contract. The very best HBO series were shot on film. It’s all about where it’s shown.
The AMPTP with a small modification of this new agreement with AFTRA can cover film and it will pass by the same margin.
The truth is that you will never know voted for this contract. It’s anon.
So smoke the herb and drink the kool aid
i’m sick to death of this insanity. i just don’t give a shit any longer about this fucking strike. nobody and i mean NOBODY can afford to stay out of work AGAIN. Other than the 6 or 7% of the top players in this business. I realize how utterly nonconstructive and selfish this sounds but there you have it.
this is a game that will never be won. the producer-company players are too deep pocketed.
flame away….
signed
long time cranky below the liner
It’s amazing how bad most people are when it comes to math.
“The American Federation of Television and Radio Artists (AFTRA) announced today that AFTRA members ratified a new three-year primetime television agreement (Exhibit A of the AFTRA Network Television Code) reached with the Alliance of Motion Picture and Television Producers (AMPTP) by a 62.4% margin.”
The margin was 62.4% Which means that 81.7% of the votes were to accept the deal. That means only 19.3% were against it.
Get this thing over with SAG. Some of us that actually work in this business, would like to sell our product.
Scott 6:55 p.m. said, “Don’t blame the DGA for being the adults.”
Scott, the DGA had to be adults, for the AMPTP’s sake. It’s illegal to bone children up the ass like that.
I truly haven’t gotten an answer to some things I just don’t understand:
Since the AFTRA contract doesn’t lock down clip consent, why do the AFTRA supporters think they have a good deal? There are already sites running online that show episodes of TV shows, without paying or asking the actors. How is the AFTRA contract going to stop what is already happening? They have agreed to a “mechanism” that will be discussed with the AMPTP to work clip consent out, and a “sunset clause” to go back and revisit the issue in 3 years. Do any AFTRA supporters really think, after the DVD debacle that cost actors hundreds of millions of dollars, that the AMPTP isn’t laughing because they got serious wiggle room on clip consent in the AFTRA contract? What if an actor doesn’t agree to clip consent when they sign on a job? What’s to stop the producers from firing him or her? Isn’t this really, really important for where ALL future residuals are headed, and didn’t AFTRA fail to lock this down? Why is AFTRA trusting these bottom line businessmen to play nice, given their precedent for screwing actors (dvd) out of massive amounts of money, as if “we’re in this together?” These are tough take no prisoners guys. Isn’t it naive to approve the contract by the vastly smaller, weaker union? Does anybody really think the producers won’t exploit that first chance they get?
Didn’t AFTRA fail to lock down jurisdiction, giving producers wiggle room to make shows cheap on the internet using non-union actors? They can try out pilots this way. There are so many ways to exploit this to the detriment of the union actor.
And the free window? What if theaters begin taking feature films off a server (some theaters are already doing this) and screening them onto a traditional movie screen? If the free window is 12 or in some cases 24 days, don’t we stand to lose an enormous amount of money if we’re in a hit film?
Why would AFTRA give up on a DVD raise, since residuals affect actors so differently than the DGA (1 director) and the WGA (1, maybe 2 writers)? With actors, it’s 12 cents per DVD (?!) split between 10,20,30 actors,and the rate was agreed to nearly 30 years ago when the producers also promised to “revisit” the issue and never did, losing actors hundreds of millions of dollars in residuals. As you all know, actors LIVE on residuals. Can an AFTRA supporter make a fact based argument as to why the weak AFTRA protections on clips and the giving in on a long overdue DVD raise won’t really hurt actors? Why would you support these give-aways? I don’t get it.
A substantial raise in primetime minimums, which, as we all know, have become maximums. It’s overdue, and since producers no longer honor quotes, shouldn’t we be insisting on compensating by a substantial raise in minimums? The AFTRA 10% raise is less than the 4% per year consumer price rise. That’s a give-back, not a raise, yes?
Why would AFTRA supporters go for the weak product placement giveaways in the AFTRA deal? You’re on a TV set, or a movie set, and the producer wanders over and says “listen, we want to change your line – where it says ‘the wheels on my new truck are awesome!’ (stupid example, I know, but you get my meaning) to ‘the Michelin tires on my new truck are awesome!’ and we want you to be squatting by the tire so we can see the logo when you say it.”
What does an actor say to that? If he or she says “I’d rather not do that – it wasn’t in the script I agreed to and I feel stupid and exploited saying it,” what’s to stop the producer from saying “o.k. – you’re fired,” under the AFTRA contract?
Why, when SAG covers 100% of movies and 99% of primetime TV, would dual card holders go for the weaker AFTRA deal and not support SAG? Is it because people are still upset about merger being voted down? Twice? Is it because SAG suggested proportional representation, to change AFTRA having 50% of the seats on the negotiating board, when SAG has 100% of movies and 99% of primetime? Why isn’t proportional representation more fair and reasonable given those overwhelming numbers?
I honestly don’t understand the AFTRA supporters viewpoint. Anybody?
Yes, the work of anchormen & reporters is so demeaning to the craft of acting… The Fruit of the Loom guys must be especially insulted
Oye… what a mess. Why the DGA, WGA, SAG, AFTRA didn’t just wait until June 30th to jointly go out on strike, I’ll never know. This whole thing would have been over in a week. Can’t we all just get along? Yes, I know, I’m just a naive knuckle head. Guess I’ll never get elected a guild president either. We count our blessings where we find them.
What a sad, sad time we live in. We have to endure 8 years of a Bush administration and now we have to watch as the Hollywood system crumbles before us. Thanks to AFTRA. How much do you want to bet president Roberta Reardon will be working for a studio in the very near future. Can I say cunt on here or is that one of those 7 words you can’t say on DHD?
What happens now, Nikki? Can you save us?
The margin was 62.4% Which means that 81.7% of the votes were to accept the deal. That means only 19.3% were against it.
Yeah, that’s just wrong. Despite the awkward wording, it means that the percentage of those who voted yes is 62.4%. Which means 37.6% voted against. Not even AFTRA is disputing this.
Brick. you are bad at English, Math, and Show Business.
SAG is the largest union in the industry.
SAG can offer the AFTRA contract, but we will vote NO. If we accept it, we create a precedent the producers will not allow reversal of in future negotiations.
We can and must STRIKE, thereby denying all SAG and AFTRA productions of SAG actors, then and only then will the AMPTP see that AFTRA cannot carry out what it promised when selling actors out, because dual union cardholders (who voted against the contract) will not work ANY bogus AFTRA production. A strike will not only shut down Hollywood, it will shut down AFTRA in prime-time. We still have the power, AFTRA can NOT end run around SAG, because they CANNOT populate thie sets without the all important dual union cardholder (who will be on strike for a month to prove it to them). In a SAG strike, we can picket every AFTRA production studio, picket Central Casting for trying to shaft SAG background actors by hustling up as many AFTRA clones as they can, and show the town AFTRA is nothing when it comes to trying to operate without SAG. If we settle for a crap contract, SAG will instead be breathing life into AFTRA instead of choking it out of prime-time as we need to. And we will give up too easily on the important issues of residuals and new-media, when SAG is the ONLY union that can win them. If we don’t strike now, no future strike will ever reclaim the lost territory.
Sorry, I had a typo. It’s 81.3% to 18.7%.
AFTRA National President Roberta Reardon made the following statement:
“Clearly, this was not a typical ratification process, and it would be disingenuous to pretend otherwise.”
YEAH! EXACTLY. FIRST BIT OF TRUTH YOU’VE STATED. IT’S DISINGENUOUS TO HAVE REPORTERS AND WEATHERMAN AND DISC JOCKEYS VOTING ON A CONTRACT THAT HAS NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH THEM!
“To those of us for whom labor solidarity is more than just a slogan, the idea that politically-motivated leaders of one union would use their members’ dues to attack another union is unconscionable.”
SPARE ME THE FALSE CHIVALRY ROSIE. I SUPPOSE THOSE PRETTY COLOR FLYERS THAT WERE SENT OUT TO COUNTERACT SAG’S “ATTACK” WERE ALL BOUGHT WITH MONEY DONATED FROM NORMA RAE AND SGT. JOSEPH GETRAER? YES, THAT’S IT- ALL THE MONEY YOU AND AFTRA SPENT ADVERTISING FOR A “yes” VOTE CAME FROM UNUSED SAG RESIDUALS THESE ACTORS JUST HAD LYING AROUND WAITING TO BE DONATED FOR YOUR USE?! PUH-LEASE.
“Working people do not benefit when their union is under attack.”
NOR DO WORKING PEOPLE (WE’RE KNOWN AS ‘ACTORS’ ROBI!) BENEFIT HAVING TO PAY DUES TO A PATHETIC SECOND RATE UNION THAT THROWS ITS MEMBERS UNDER THE BUS IN ORDER TO GAIN POWER.
CONGRATULATIONS ON HELPING ST.NICK COUNTER MAKE THE FINAL TWIST OF THE KNIFE IN ACTOR’S BACKS COMPLETE.
Both of these shows will likely fail. I don’t know about Diva, but I believe the only person crying out for a new 90210 was Dawn Orsoff.
Besides, all is not lost. Radio DJ’s and hosts should be in their own union as should be weathermen, dancers, and newscasters. Finally, SAG could ask for a recount and ask for a rep to be there when the recount happens.
Buy the way math is math 63 up 37 down what does that tell you. 2 to 1. Two thirds passes a constitutional amendment. so where are you.
what an idiot jessy. why can SAG ask for a recount when it isn’t their union?
So when can we get to the brass tacks and focus on the negotiations between SAG and the AMPTP instead of trying to place the blame on the WGA, DGA, AFTRA and any other organization/guild that isn’t SAG?
Negotiations are tough, across the board whether you’re a performer, broadcaster, hotel employee, farm worker or teacher. No employer just gives out of the goodness of their hearts. I’m sure SAG as an employer were tough in negotiations with their staff employees who are members of the Teamsters and the Office Professional Employees International Union. Doug, Alan and the board should’ve stayed focus on their negotiations instead of wasting time and money fighting another organization’s deal. They can still stand firm on their commitment to strike—but not in a way that will affect those waiver agreements that they signed because we don’t want to weaken our stance, now do we?