
Despite the AMPTP’s prickly statement tonight, and SAG’s terse one (see both below), I can tell you what really went on in today’s very crucial negotiating session… Today, SAG made a full counter-proposal to the Big Media cartel negotiating group’s supposed “last best final” offer put on the table June 30th.
I’m told SAG and the AMPTP “got closer together today” because the union worked hard to “remove some of the differences” and ”made a number of moves” in the AMPTP’s direction. “SAG is now engaging the AMPTP in the process of doing the same thing,” I’m told. Specifically, SAG moved closer on some economic issues, New Media issues, and some other bargaining issues not previously addressed.
In turn, SAG told the AMPTP that it had to move closer on these issues, too. The AMPTP “starts every negotiation saying they’re here to bargain for ‘your’ recommendation. And we say, ‘If you want our board to recommend an offer to our membership, then you’re going to have to do better than this. Because what you’ve given us won’t make it beyond our board.’ “
SAG’s national board meets on July 26th and the guild made it clear to the AMPTP that SAG “would like to have something ready between now and then that our board would be interested in unilaterally recommending to the membership.”
In all, both sides spent about 3 hours on discussion, first in a big committee group for an hour and a half, then in a smaller sidebar. Right now, the AMPTP hasn’t said yes or no or even maybe to SAG’s counter-offer.
But there won’t be any negotiations tomorrow, although both sides agreed to touch base. What’s cause for concern, however, is that no future meeting is now scheduled: instead both sides will get together, a source tells me, ”when there’s a reason to get together so we might have a productive meeting in future”.
What’s next? Here are my thoughts: Now that the Screen Actors Guild wasted its political capital by losing its campaign against ratification of the AFTRA-AMPTP primetime TV contract, the AMPTP will predictably be taking every advantage of what it sees as its upper hand with the big actors union. (Funny enough, I’m told that the subject of the AFTRA vote wasn’t discussed more than a couple of times today. And one insider suggested to me far too optimistically about the AMPTP, “I certainly think they understand that was no slam dunk for them.”)
But a loss is still a loss. And I believe that the AMPTP’s latest statement sounds as if it’s ready any moment now to walk away from the negotiations, blame SAG for the stall, and issue an ultimatum — just like the AMPTP did to the WGA. However, I can’t believe the Hollywood CEOs are about to let their negotiating panel make a bad situation worse with a de facto lockout. The moguls would take a lot of heat for that, much more even than SAG, because they control the production spigot.
UPDATE: *Which is why it’s nonsensical to think there’s been a de facto strike when it’s been the Hollywood CEOs who’ve made the decision not to put films into production even though SAG has said publicly it has no plans to even ask its membership for a strike authorization vote, Step One before a strike is even contemplated. Meanwhile, let me make it clear here and now that the moguls have told me the de facto lockout has nothing to do with completion bonds and insurance. As one mogul clarified in response to my question about this: ”Most studio movies are not bonded — those are indie films. And no insurance, unless separately bought for huge money, insures against strikes.” Another mogul emailed me when I asked if completion bonds/insurance were the studios’ reasons for the stoppage, “…That has not been the focus of our internal discussions.” So what has been? ”Firstly, our productions are coming to an end, as planned. Secondly, it’s only prudent to know there is an agreement before committing millions of dollars of production which you may not be able to get back.” Meanwhile, SAG has signed more than 500 guaranteed completion contracts with independent producers of films, the top of which boast budgets between $14 million and $40 million dollars and represent in total hundreds of millions of dollars. But pro-AMPTP factions are out and about in Hollywood claiming that SAG has shut down the town. *
As for TV production, it ramps up around July 25th.
That’s why I’m hoping that both sides stay put and negotiate with an eye to that July 26th SAG national board meeting. The goal now is to put a deal together that the panel can recommend to its members. That way SAG can save face. And the AMPTP, too, since it would meet the August 15th ratification vote deadline imposed by their “last best final” offer. As I’ve reported previously, the AMPTP offered the WGA a total 10 last best final offers, and one ultimatum (with 2 items to take off the table that the AMPTP negotiated back on the table for the DGA). So there’s no loss of face if the AMPTP tweaks the terms of its offer, and the two sides come closer. Then all of Hollywood can get back to work by the end of the month.
But, if the AMPTP walks away… well, SAG at this point doesn’t even want to consider that possibility. “We’ll cross that bridge when we come to it,” my source told me. “We’ll keep taking it day at a time.”
SAG’s statement tonight:
“Screen Actors Guild negotiating committee members presented the AMPTP with their response to the producers’ proposal made June 30. SAG committee members will meet Friday to discuss the AMPTP’s response. We will provide further guidance following that meeting.”
The AMPTP representing the Big Media cartel issued the following statement after today’s negotiations:
“Today’s meeting demonstrated that SAG’s Membership First contingent unreasonably expects to obtain more in these negotiations than directors, writers and other actors obtained during their negotiations. AMPTP has already achieved four major labor agreements this year with the DGA, WGA, AFTRA Network Code, and AFTRA Prime-Time. Our final offer to SAG members includes more than $250 million in additional compensation, important new media rights and protection for pension and health benefits. The refusal of SAG’s Hollywood leadership to accept this offer is the latest in a series of actions by SAG leaders that, in our opinion, puts labor peace at risk. SAG’s Hollywood leaders have already pursued a time-consuming, divisive, costly, and unsuccessful anti-AFTRA campaign. Any further delay in reaching a reasonable and comprehensive agreement does a disservice to the thousands of working people of our industry who are already being seriously harmed by the ever worsening de facto strike. We call upon SAG’s Hollywood leaders to put the AMPTP’s final offer to SAG members for ratification. The last thing we need is a long, hot summer of labor strife that puts even more pressure on a badly struggling economy and deprives audiences of the entertainment they clearly desire in such difficult times.”






I will be heartbroken……… if I don’t ride the crane.
This looks like some masterful strategizing and game-playing by the AMPTP. I applaud them for that. SAG’s contract talks, under that Rosenberg buffoon, has been abysmal and embarrassing. SAG should accept the offer. It’s still an increase. At a time when the economy is at near-depression levels and entertainment company stocks are tanking and other Americans are losing their jobs daily in the tens of thousands, it sure is strange that SAG is going to cost them and everyone else such grief. It’s not like “Big Entertainment” is “Big Oil.” If we were fighting Exxon/Mobil or Halliburton I’d be on SAG’s side. The should accept the damn offer and come up with a better, more unified strategy for the next round of talks. Enough already.
SAG=screwed.
The Allens=guilty.
Actors=paying the price for Membership First’s stupidity.
It’s time for them to go.
Put it to a vote. It’s the only thing left.
Rosenberg needs to nut up, recognize that he’s not going to “win”, take the contract and exit stage left. Quietly. WGA negotiated the actor’s contract already.
It’s summer, babe. Ain’t nothing going interfere with some studio exec’s summer vacation plans. Especially something as trivia as a SAG negotiations can’t delay that planned trip to southern France or that escape to Bali. Can you imagine the hell a studio head would have if they had to cancel a family getaway? No mere actor is going to ruin those plans.
Besides, there’s always those low paid AFTRA actors to fill in the gaps (you know the ones: Hanks, et al who pushed so hard for AFTRA and forgot everybody in SAG and how they were important to their career.) But, hey, they’re on vacation too, so what the fuck, let’s forget about these negotiations and let’s have some summer fun!
Regardless of how one feels about either side in this standoff, why are more journalists not calling the AMPTP on the erroneous use of the term “de facto strike?” A de facto strike would mean union members choosing not to show up for scheduled work without an official strike declaration.
Companies electing not to proceed with scheduled productions without a new labor contract represents a de facto LOCKOUT.
Well, thank goodness we didn’t play into their hands the entire way.
Per the AMPTP: “SAG’s Membership First contingent unreasonably expects to obtain more in these negotiations than directors, writers and other actors obtained during their negotiations.”
Well, I’m not “Membership First,” and I too expect more than “directors, writers and other actors” settled for in their negotiations. It isn’t enough and it never was. The contract gruel that was choked down by all the other guilds, that’s what’s unreasonable.
We simply wouldn’t be here today if the DGA hadn’t taken cuts in line and negotiated a dog-shit contract which was then rubber-stamped in turn by every group of pussies that followed. Damn their eyes.
If they are all separate unions with different needs, and they all negotiated separately, why are they trying to make everyone take the same deal. In that, I mean jamming it down their throats.
SAG moved closer on some economic issues, New Media issues, and some other bargaining issues not previously addressed.
And the AMPTP did not?
Hey guys! I gotta great idea! Let’s blame the DGA! Let’s blame AFTRA! Let’s blame the WGA! Let’s blame the AMPTP! It’s simply not our fault.
I look forward to seeing next week my union (SAG) send me that AMPTP/SAG agreement so that I as a member in good standing can vote on it.
Trust me, if you are a good cold reader and have a decent agent you will be a working actor again in Hollywood.
Remember, if your type isn’t in demand then be the number one thug, pimp, mafia don, rapist on the central casting roaster… oh, yes and have plenty of wardrobe changes ready.
Rosenberg, my brother from another mother – please just swallow – gulp or slug it down – it’s taste better if you do it faster than prolong the inevitable –
It’s time to get back to work. WE all have dreams to put on film — don’t stop the love…
WOW…the AMPTP shills are out in fierce numbers tonight! Must be a full moon! Creepy!
I propose, with a fair amount of certainty, that one thing we would all agree on, (including Roberta and Alan apparently), is that it seems utterly ridiculous and nonsensical to have one class of labor, namely “PERFORMERS”, covered by multiple guilds. Of course, different types of performances should be covered under different contracts, but PERFORMERS as a whole should be under one guild umbrella. Not only does this make rational sense, it would increse the leverage that the “single guild of greater numbers” would have during the bargaining process. In addition, the fighting and bitterness that has arisen is a direct by-product of having two separate guilds covering the same class of labor – this type of situation is a natural breeding ground for bickering, battling for jurisdiction (even at the detriment of the constituency) and division. Going forward, we need ONE guild, with ONE elected board, negotiating ONE contract for each type of performer, that way there cannot be two boards who waste more time spiting each other than they do representing their constituency.
*** LETS EXACT CHANGE ***
LETS ORGANIZE OUR EFFORTS
LETS START A MOVEMENT NOW, TO EVENTUALLY REMOVE THESE TWO BOARDS, MERGE THESE TWO GUILDS INTO ONE, AND HOLD AN ELECTION PROCESS TO RE-ELECT A NEW BOARD WHICH WILL REPRESENT ALL PERFORMERS, AND HAVE “A” GUILD WE CAN BE PROUD OF.
IF WE START NOW – WE CAN MAKE THIS HAPPEN BEFORE THE NEXT NEGOTIATION COMES UP IN 3 YEARS, AND REALLY BE IN A PLACE TO COMMENCE A RATIONAL BARGAINING PROCESS THAT WILL BE ENTIRELY FOCUSED ON NEGOTIATING CONTRACTS THAT PROTECT THE WAGES AND WORKING CONDITIONS OF PERFORMERS, RATHER THAN BEING FOCUSED ON WHICH UNION DID WHAT TO THE OTHER, AND WHICH IS BETTER. THE BARGAINING PROCESS ***SHOULD*** BE ABOUT GETTING THE BEST CONTRACT FOR PERFORMERS, RATHER THAN BEING ABOUT WHICH GUILD CAN CUT A DEAL FIRST IN A RACE TO GAIN JURISDICTION FROM THE OTHER GUILD.
DIVIDED, WE ARE INDEED FALLING.
I really believe the root of all of these problems is that we have TWO guilds representing really ONE class of laborers – performers. Remove this problem, and 2011’s bargaining will be between ***THE*** performers guild and producers, NOT between TWO separate performers guilds battling each other while producers effortlessly win in the end.
By the way, I agree that we don’t want to price ourselves out of a job, but if media conglom profits and CEO compensation packages are any indication, I don’t think they are hurting all that bad.
All efforts have to start somewhere. ANYONE interested in potentially helping in the beginning ground level efforts to organize a process by which we can get this effort off the ground and taking shape, please email us at info@PerformersUnited.org. You’ll be notified as things progress and as efforts are organized.
Lets stop arguing about what isn’t working, and instead bring about change to build something that ***WILL*** work.
Best,
Chris
Scott, what’s your point? We’re being asked to accept unacceptable contract terms on the basis that they were good enough for the other guilds. Had the WGA not given up on DVDs, or the DGA negotiated a shorter reuse window, or had AFTRA not broken off to negotiate its contract separately, we would not still today be trying to negotiate up the threadbare hand-me-down of a crappy offer we got.
If you’re suggesting that the actions of the other guilds had no bearing on our contract remaining unsettled at this late date, you’re wrong.
Let me put it this way: with SAG meeting next on the 24th, the Friday of Comic-Con in San Diego, any negative outcome that affects the panels at Comic-Con is going to hurt the studios whether there’s a strike or a lockout.
Us fangeeks aren’t stupid. Whether or not the contract dispute gets settled by then, word will get around the con that it’s the Studios treating the actors the same as they treated the writers.
Let the studios think that Comic-Con doesn’t mean anything for their prospects for, especially, television shows. If actors don’t show up for any reason other than getting stuck on the 405 (this means you, Kevin Smith), we already know why and the word will spread like a flashfire. Except without all the physically burn-y damage stuff.
— Rob
The grand majority of SAG members get their income from non-acting work. Since they have other income to support them, they’ll vote to authorize a strike with little hesitation, if they feel a bad deal is being shoved down their throats. The current deal would qualify.
If the AMPTP is smart, they won’t give SAG’s leadership a reason to ask for a strike authorization vote. It will light a fire that will extremely difficult to put out. And what small increases SAG is asking for will be nothing compared to what the studios and their shareholders will lose.
The blame here is all about self importance. My guild is better than your guild. You know what the WGA beef is really with the DGA is, when a film is made and the credits are rolled it’s a film by whoever the director was. That’s the truth of the matter ask any writer.
Allen is not a stutterer. He suffers from ADD and when pissed off the thoughts come faster than the mouth can say. I suffer from it and I have empathy.
What I did see was David Allen unshaven going to a negotiation, how shabby. Even I know to shave before I try to make a deal.
Allen is surrounded by sociopaths that made him believe that he could make a difference.
When the man holds the cards and we are slaves to the cards, all you can say is can I have a little bit more. Copperfield I think.
Look. SAG had its chance back in the fall and they blew it. As did the WGA. The WGA’s move to strike was the most foolish, myopic thing they could have possibly done. Why? Because that’s exactly what the AMPTP wanted.
Ask yourself: what would have happened had the WGA worked on their expired contract, shown some patience, and then went on strike simultaneously with SAG at the end of June? And if they’d gotten together with the DGA as well? And AFTRA? That was precisely what the AMPTP did not want. So they shoved the most insulting offer they could possibly keep a straight face with across the table and the WGA took the bait. Cooler heads did not prevail and the strike happened. It was a brilliant strategy by the studios, thus mitigating the financial damage they had to endure in contractual concessions to each union.
SAG members: what’s done is done. It sucks, I know, but it’s time to cut your losses and move on. The key will be to organize in three years, upon the looming expiration of the new contracts. Secretly approach the WGA, the DGA and maybe even AFTRA if you and they have leaders who can sustain a civil conversation with each other. Talk to them, discuss a radical plan — exercising patience and, rather than allowing your own creative (but nowhere near business savvy) leaders to negotiate for you, have the unions pool their resources to hire professionals. Professional negotiators. Because the people sitting across the table at the AMPTP do this for a living. They’re highly skilled at screwing people over for the sake of corporate profits. And while your leaders have grandstanded away all your political leverage over the past few months, the AMPTP has won this battle.
There is nothing left to gain by going on strike. Nothing. Because no matter how committed you are, no matter how determined, you simply cannot outlast the studios’ financial reserves and their capacity to endure a strike. And in the end, once you finally demand that your leaders go back to the AMPTP and just take the damn offer because you can’t afford to buy food, you’ll have accomplished nothing but the disruption and destruction of lives (as the WGA did to this city) and public opinion will be turned against you.
I plead with you — don’t allow another strike to happen. We’ve all just been through a living hell thanks to the WGA’s lack of impulse control and foresight. The city’s economy is already on its knees thanks to the recession (and the fallout of the WGA strike).
We simply cannot afford another strike.
There is no honor in forcing others to suffer just to prove a point. But there is honor in learning from our mistakes and living to fight another day.
Alan Rosenberg:
I’ve never met you, but as a WGA member I had the pleasure of hearing you speak at several of our events, and I shared the common reaction that you were far more nuanced in your thinking, and trustworthy in your commitments, than the WGA’s own leaders (if that isn’t damning you with faint praise). Please stand firm. SAG needs to strike, and not return until there is significant movement on DVDs and all the other stuff that the Neville Chamberlains of my own guild–the Verrones and Bowmans and Youngs–so blithely gave away. A SAG strike will be punishing for me, and for so many of us. But it will bring brighter days for sure, and nothing else will.
The only people that are getting screwed here are the hardworking below the line people, you remember them right? Those technicians, teamsters, camera people. In this day in age in the economy we are suffering when there is no work available.
@Comment by DLW — July 10, 2008 @ 8:08 pm
Probably the same reason political grandstanding and ‘buzzwords’ aren’t ever called out by the media: they sound good.
@Comment by I SEE YOU — July 10, 2008 @ 10:21 pm
last lament of the lost. this site is RIFE with UNION shills (the blog author included) but nothing wrong with that I guess right? When was the last time SAG was challenged on this site? You won’t find it.
I have nothing to do with AMPTP, if I did I’d probably have an assistant to type these comments for me, I work in talent rep and I just happen to think SAG is being utterly stupid (same as I though the WGA was being moronic)
Risking losing $15k+ in lost wages over a contract that expires in 3 f’ing years is just beyond dumb. It can’t even be fully fathomed how dumb of a strategy that is.
Well SAG needs to get over themselves real quick, and take the deal. Try again in three years. All the other guilds are taking the deal, in the end this will make SAG look greedy…
SAG is not the holier than thou Union they think they are. They are bullies, mean spirited and negative. They are hurting the entire industry at this point, just because they don’t take the deal.
Not accepting the deal makes them look bad in the eyes of the public, well those that are smart enough to know better.
Granted the studios aren’t nice either, but the ball was in SAG’s court they could have ended it today. But no they wanted to continue their fight just so they can say were the bigger better union.
Stupid idiots!
*shakes head in shame*
CONTRACT NEWS OF THE FUTURE
DEADLINE-HOLLYWOOD-GHOST-TOWN
24 JULY 2017
In yet another advance for creatives planet-wide, after years of ‘New Media’ study, the AMPTP announced their last, best, final ultimatum to the Creatives Guilds Alliance. The CGA, composed of reps from the WGA, SAG, IASTE, DGA and AFTRA, were gifted at the confab with a 55 gallon drum of Kentucky jelly, to be liberally shared among the members.
With the contract due to run out on 31 July 2017, AMPTP spokesdevil Santa Spawn commented, “This is a back-breaking opportunity for these unworthy creatives. In the darkness of our hearts we have decided to give up our claims on all of their children, only demanding their first-born. Further, we will now increase their already bountiful rations to include bread with the recycled sewer water we now provide them.
Asked for comments, at their idyllic island retreat on Alcatraz, a lone dissenter demanded to ask a question. He was immediately shot and run through the Ferti-Loamer machine.
When questioned, Santa Spawn admitted the incident, “It’s sad, but we must keep the creatives isolated from society, rather than chance that they infect the loyal, orderly, working drones. After all, once they reach 27, 28 years old, they’re over the hill and really only good for plant food. A bit acidic though, I might add.”
A creatives bystander shook his head and remarked, “He knew better, they told us they would review the New Media provisions back in 2008. Don’t people realize this stuff takes time?”
Santa Spawn smiled and slapped him on the back, “Sheeply, you’re great! We’re still working on that DVD formula from back in the ‘80s and hope to have it figured out by the next contract.”
Rumors that Santa Spawn danced off singing “My North Pole Is Gonna Be In Your South Hole” could not be confirmed.