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Pass.
Readon actually comes across far more articulately than Rosenberg. And much less shrill.
In fact, Rosenberg comes across like an idiot.
And for someone so opposed to qualified voters in SAG as Rosenberg is, he sure is for it for AFTRA.
He is an idiot.
Roberta killed him….. Why would you vote for Alan? Stuttering actor who wants to be a leader? What qualifies him?
coup de tet!!!!
Alan is brilliant – Roberta? Not so good… Go Alan Rosenberg – keep fighting the good fight!
http://www.sag.org
Summary:
I am not arguing: you are.
No, you are arguing.
Well, you started it.
No, you did.
You did.
You did.
Hey you two! You should have lunch! There is great salmon at (blank).
The End.
Part of the art of negotiation is the ability to listen.
Obviously, not Alan Rosenberg’s strong suit.
Allen came off really bad. Maybe he should have sent Justine. Oh that’s right she was the one that called AFTRA the scumbag union. Would have been a lot of beeps
“interesting”:
No, Roberta Reardon doesn’t sound more articulate than Alan Rosenberg. She just sounds calm and smug, because she’s clearly happy, like a toddler, at the stinky shit she just took in the living room.
Alan does get agitated that Roberta keeps interrupting and talking under him like a goddamned Phil Hendrie character, and the host is clearly grilling him harder.
Fuck this 50-50 joint negotiation NONSENSE. Stupid. AFTRA is not an equal union in size or in backbone.
coup de tat – What qualifies Alan? How about long list of Acting credits – someone who’s been a successful Actor for years. He’s a good man, fighting the good fight and for what – being SAG president is a thankless job.
My question to you – What qualifies Roberta? She has no credits in her field. Where did she come from and how was she elected? People are so hard on Alan, when Roberta’s resumes is nil.
Alan is articulate and so much Smarter than Roberta. Why else would there be so many AMPTP folks on this site trying to destroy him…
Actorjames-
Sag would be 50% smarter if they let it be 50-50 joint negotiation.
Dumb and Dumber 3! An embarrassmnet to REAL organized labor and unions everywhere. Better luck next time without these two losers.
This is the man representing SAG against the AMPTP? OMG. No wonder you guys are so fucked. He’s a blithering idiot. If we elect the government we deserve, then God help us.
I have it on really good authority that certain members of SAG are making a run at the Board with the hopes to solidify their stance when they make a run at AFTRA. The plan? AFTRA gets to keep News and Radio (if they’re lucky) soaps, but that’ll be it. The SAG plan, or more accurately these people planning on getting on the Board, don’t want AFTRA negotiating any contract for actors. Ever.
And really, who can blame them?
Actorjames-
well have fun, cause your top notch union boss just brought you a nice plate of that “stinky shit” for you to eat for the next 3 years.
The manner in which AFTRA is much bigger, both in size and backbone is their ability to seize the moment and understand the leverage they have and what it will get them in today’s market.
That ‘stinky shit’ actorjames refers to is a ratified contract — a contract made possible by the enormous sacrifices made by writers who struck for 100 days and the actors and below the line people who supported them. It’s appalling to see how someone who is supposedly a union member belittles such an effort.
Burt-
You must be on the SAG board because like them you missed the point. Im not asking what qualifies him as an actor, but rather, what qualifies him as a LEADER.
As far as his acting resume, that last credit will be his last credit, trust me.
The one thing Alan kept repeating over and over is the poor actor who can’t get a job. Could it be that all the Unions have made it too costly to make TV and Films in this country. So the evil moguls at the behest of their corporate boards move productions out of this country to locations more economically friendly. So if SAG gets all the concessions they want how will that encourage the studios to make more TV and Films here as opposed to Canada, Mexico, Bulgaria, England, Australia or anywhere but here.
These two sound like bitter exes going through a divorce..and the union members(especially us dual-carders) are the children in the middle. As far as qualified voting goes, under the plan put forth by Amy Brenneman, et al, that native american actor than alan mentioned would only need ONE DAY OF EXTRA WORK IN A YEAR TO KEEP HIS VOTE. Fuck, anyone can do that..Both these motherfuckers need to go.
Being articulate and concise in a radio interview is important. rosenberg was stuttering and, at times, all over the map. that is extremely unfortunate. maybe he’s so pissed off he can’t see straight, let alone speak, so I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt. debates are funny things. did anyone think al gore would come off like a pompous asshole in his 2000 debates with bush? I was SURE gore would make him look like a fool. didn’t happen. did we elect the “right” person? 2004 – did anyone think john kerry, a genuine war hero and extremely bright harvard educated man with years in the senate, with all the tragic mistakes that had been made by bush in his first term, think kerry would come off as an elite, fuddy-duddy who was about as spontaneous as a north korean border guard? did the country elect the “right” person in 2004? this “debate” was a setback, in a series of setbacks, for sag. rosenberg needed to calmly and clearly lay out his case. he did not. that’s a shame. however, does he have the issues on his side? without a doubt. my advice to him, if he truly has the actors best interests at heart, is, next time? let doug allen do the talking. we needed david boise, we got yosemite sam. reardon gets away with murder in this interview, and the fucking clueless host asks the most inane questions “will you have lunch?” “can you agree on that?” “let’s move on to the commercials contract – can you make an agreement right now to bargain together?” what a fucking moron. claude? how about discussing what just happened and why? it’s not that complicated, his listeners wouldn’t have been swamped with arcane byzantine details, as he kept intimating. how about being prepared, ready with well formed, specific questions to one, then letting the other respond. control the interview claude – that’s your job. don’t get into YOUR suggestions (qualified voting – good!) who gives a shit what YOU think? the whole thing made me fucking pissed. rosenberg needs to get the fucking marbles out of his mouth, get his facts into bite size understandable answers, as well as challenging questions. he needs a murder board, and the shame is – it’s too fucking late!
To “Another Working Actor”: A ratified contract it may be, but it isn’t a very good one (and neither is the writers’).
Did I hear the same interview?
Alan was expressing the frustration of all of us actors that a phantom Union is taking increased jurisdiction over more of the field of entertainment by GIVING away the cow’s milk.
We’d all be a lot better off if there were one union for all the above-the-line creatives (the W,D, and A Guild?).
That union would have REAL leverage.
If I were a member of SAG, after listening to Alan Rosenberg defending my interests, I’d be looking for another line of work.
llen came off more like porky pig at the end of a loony tune
Why did Allen use an Indian as a example, I’ll tell you it’s baiting at it’s worst plain and simple. He use it to invoke that image of the Indian with a tear over littering. What an asshole. Do I care if sag gets a better deal yes I do. Do I think you will get one no. The WGA and SAG need to get professionals to work their deals, If you think that the AMPTP is laughing try all the labor unions in this country. God bless you and god damm you, labor has been set back 50 years because of this.
Roberta: “All of us… all work for the same six employers…the broadcasters are all owned by the same people… It make absolutely no sense at all to ghettoize…”
SO, by that logic, Roberta, IATSE, WGA, DGA, 399, SAG, etc…should all merge…into AFTRA.
How can you seriously argue this point?! To say that broadcasters not voting on actors’ contracts is the same as qualified voting is simply disingenuous, to say the least.
Let’s be honest. You rushed in separate from SAG and accepted a horrible deal in order to expand your jurisdiction.
Hang tough SAG.
It’s Nixon vs. Kennedy. He’s sweating and yelling and stuttering and she’s cool as a cucumber. I hate admitting it. This must be how Bush voters feel when they see him speak. “Oh, God. Just shut up and govern.”
It doesn’t instill much faith in the current negotiation process. Maybe SAG should be run by professional business people and not actors. Who’s running the NFL? Not it’s players. Rich, White men. Hey, they run the studios too! What’s going on here?