MONDAY: Now AFTRA has officially weighed in on the Interactive Contract and confirmed what SAG Interactive Committee chair Michael Bell told me — that AFTRA is starting informal negotiations on its own. Wheras in 2005 both AFTRA and SAG bargained the Interactive Contract jointly. See AFTRA’s statement below Bell’s…
SUNDAY: The Chair of the SAG Interactive Committee, Michael Bell, tells me that AFTRA is about to break with SAG on yet another previously jointly negotiated contract — this time the Interactive Contract affecting voice-overs. ”This has been disclosed to me by staff and discussed on Thursday by my committee. This particular email [below] is not SAG endorsed, however SAG will be sending out an email of their own regarding AFTRA’s meetings with the Interactive Producers and their obvious interest in negotiating without SAG. As a result, a notice from the guild will be going out to all its members (albeit targeting the voice-over community that works this contract), alerting them to a voice-over caucus on the subject. All will be welcomed to attend.” I haven’t heard back yet from AFTRA. Here’s the email which Bell has distributed:
ALERT TO THE VOICE-OVER COMMUNITY
“PLEASE FORWARD THIS TO EVERY VOICE-OVER ACTOR YOU KNOW”
It has come to the attention of the S.A.G. Interactive Committee, that AFTRA is about to negotiate the Interactive contract without the participation of S.A.G.
As you probably know, AFTRA and S.A.G. jointly bargained the Interactive Contract three years ago. Although the joint committees both agreed that RESIDUALS were the number one priority of the negotiations, the AFTRA committee members ultimately agreed to a contract with NO residuals. As a result, the S.A.G. committee members were left no choice but to accept the same terms.
In the three years since those negotiations, the Interactive industry has grown from $9 Billion dollars per year to $27 Billion dollars per year.
Also during that time, your S.A.G. Interactive Committee has been successful in organizing efforts that have turned a long time major non-union employer into a S.A.G. signatory with two huge projects in production.We have been informed that AFTRA claims to be holding Wages and Working Conditions meetings with Interactive actors in preparation for their negotiations (which are said to be imminent.)
We know for a fact that a majority of the top Interactive actors (those who record numerous games each year) know nothing about AFTRA’s present W&W meetings or AFTRA’s plans to go it alone in the upcoming Interactive contract negotiations.
Since AFTRA has not told the S.A.G. Interactive Committee anything about these negotiations, here are the questions all SAG actors that work that contract or expect to work that contract must ask:
1) Is AFTRA really holding Wages and Working Condition meetings with Interactive actors? And if actors are part of those meetings, who exactly has been invited?
2) What criteria did they use for their invitations?
3) Why have not all AFTRA members which are comprised mostly of VO talent been officially informed of these meetings?
4) Who is on the AFTRA committee that will be negotiating this contract?
5) What employers will be involved in these negotiations?
6) Why hasn’t AFTRA contacted S.A.G. to coordinate negotiations?
7) When are the AFTRA Interactive negotiations set to begin?
8) Are RESIDUALS part of AFTRA’s proposals?
9) And most importantly: Will AFTRA abandon RESIDUALS once again as they did three years ago?
You can write directly to the AFTRA Interactive negotiator Mathis Dunn.Please demand that AFTRA hold a caucus of the entire Interactive community of actors before beginning any negotiations.
Demand that AFTRA coordinate their negotiations with S.A.G. instead of de-leveraging S.A.G. as they did in the current TV/Theatrical negotiations.
Please send a copy of your correspondence to the S.A.G. Interactive Committee.IMPORTANT NOTE: The Interactive Contract is completely independent from the TV/Theatrical contract currently being negotiated by S.A.G. The outcome of those negotiations have absolutely nothing to do with the Interactive Contract. No job action, if any, will have anything to do with this contract.
In solidarity,
Michael Bell
S.A.G. Interactive Chair
Here is what AFTRA national president Roberta Reardon and AFTRA Interactive Steering Committee national chair Denny Delk responded on Monday to members:
We are preparing to address the AFTRA Interactive Agreement… The AFTRA Interactive Agreement has been in existence for two decades since AFTRA members first organized the area of interactive gaming to ensure that they, and the working performers that came after them, had the protection of union rates and conditions. AFTRA was the first performers’ union to organize and negotiate a collective bargaining agreement with Electronics Arts and since then AFTRA members have continued to expand union protections for performers working in this field. The Interactive Agreement is not now, nor has it ever been, a contract negotiated under the Phase One Agreement between AFTRA and SAG.
The current AFTRA Interactive Agreement is set to expire on December 31, 2008. In June 2008, the AFTRA National Board authorized the appointment of an Interactive Steering Committee (ISC) to guide strategic approaches for negotiations of the Interactive Agreement in 2008. In authorizing this Committee, the National Board was keenly aware that the Commercials Contracts expire on October 29, 2008, (now extended to March 31, 2009), and wanted an authorized working group of performers invested in the Interactive field to actively monitor and ensure that progress towards reaching a timely successor Interactive Agreement was not overlooked during the intensive preparations necessary for the Commercials Contracts.
The ISC was appointed from among working AFTRA members who have substantial employment under, and working knowledge of, the AFTRA Interactive Agreement. The ISC consists of working AFTRA performers from the three major centers of AFTRA’s Interactive employment: Los Angeles, San Francisco, and New York. During the month of August, the ISC also met with groups of working members from these and other cities. Every one of these members has substantial work experience under the AFTRA Interactive Agreement, and is also a dual card holder.Members of the ISC and working groups have provided their talents on games such as Grand Theft Auto, Gears of War, Halo II & III, Final Fantasy, Trilogy III, Mercenaries, Metal Gear IV, Speed Racer, Godfather II, Batman, Unreal Tournament, Halo Wars, Spiderman III, Lord of the Rings, CSI 3, Kane and Lynch, Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic and Star Wars Force Unleashed, to name just a few. We are deeply appreciative to these working AFTRA performers who are volunteering their time to participate in and guide our process, and for sharing their extensive experience and understanding of this field on behalf of their fellow performers.
The ISC has determined that it is in the best interests of working members to attempt to resolve a successor agreement sooner rather than later, and it would not be in the best interests of working performers to delay our work and possibly compromise timely implementation of any wage increases and improved conditions that are ultimately negotiated. To that end, it is in the best interests of performers to hold off-the-record conversations with representatives of the AFTRA signatory employers in early September to determine if a framework for reaching a successor agreement in a timely fashion is possible. Once we have had an opportunity to determine whether reaching an acceptable framework is possible (or not), meetings will be held for AFTRA members working under the AFTRA Interactive Agreement for their information and input. Those meetings have not yet been scheduled, but we anticipate they will be held in late September.
The ISC members have also determined that, having successfully achieved more than 30% increases in base rates in our 2005 negotiations, establishing a structure for residual or “back-end” payments is one of the priorities that must be addressed in reaching a successor agreement in this 2008 cycle.
We are all committed to executing a sober, thoughtful and strategic approach to reaching a strong successor agreement for working performers. As such, AFTRA will not engage in any discussions in the press, on blogs, or viral e-mails nor allow the AFTRA Interactive Agreement, or any other contract, to be used for political purposes. Official notices of informational meetings where AFTRA members can receive accurate complete information and provide their input will be sent to interested members later this month.
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AFTRA’s 2nd abandonment of S.A.G. is more than justified by S.A.G.’s effort to institute proportional voting on S.A.G./AFTRA negotiating committees.
Or is it?
Unite-for-Strength’s dream platform of MERGER just retreated further into the future.
For S.A.G. members who haven’t filled out their ballots, here’s a revealing tidbit:
(San Marino, CA) The secretary of the
Unite-for-Strength party has revealed that the leader of the group, Ned Vaughn, is a registered Republican.
The setting was the San Marino estate of Bradley Whitford and Jane Kaczmarek. Kaczmarek hosted an event August 26, at which several of the candidates on the Unite-for-Strength slate were introduced. After the introductions, Vaughn and fellow-activist Amy Aquino made energetic appeals for funds to finance the group’s next mailing.
Unite-for-Strength’s secretary Todd Waring confided to one attendee that, in meetings of the group’s steering committee, he had learned that Vaughn was a member of the Republican Party.
Another member of the group responded to the revelation, saying, “It would be totally unethical to use that to smear the whole [UforS] slate.”
The crowd, which gathered on the grounds behind the Kaczmarek-Whitford home numbered between 85 and 95.
I long for…dream about…the day when ALL actors are in one union — the ACTOR’S union that actually cares about the membership: SAG.
And the selfish nightmare that is AFTRA…? I dream of the day when they become a distant, distasteful memory.
Anyone who honestly looks at what is going on sees that this must happen.
Dali Hammer:
“should sag take steps to neutralize aftra as an actors union because of aftra’s repeated, longstanding history of undercutting sag. YES!”
What are you talking about? “Neutralize AFTRA?” WTF?
So if Interactive is neither television or radio, why is AFTRA involved with it??? There’s a screen, it involves actors. Shouldn’t all of this work be SAG’s?
Why isn’t Interactive part of Phase 1? Is it because the first Interactive contract was negotiated after the beginning of the implementation of Phase 1? And if the goal of both unions is merger, why wasn’t Interactive brought into Phase 1???
Now that we see that AFTRA’s insisting on shunning SAG on Interactive, even though the two unions negotiated together three years ago, are we going to hear a hue and cry from the merger-obsessed United for Strength slate about AFTRA’s unwillingness to work with SAG???
This is a direct result of MF’s war on AFTRA. And it’s not going to get better unless the war STOPS.
I’ve asked all over this board about the plan for MF to win the civil war it’s started. I’ve not heard ANYTHING. They believe they can just beat AFTRA into giving up 75% of it’s membership. Does anyone really think AFTRA will just capitulate? Really? I think it will take YEARS.
As long as MF persists in it’s civil war against AFTRA, all Actors will suffer. We can’t fight each other AND the AMPTP.
Doesn’t anyone see that AFTRA has represented Actors for over 70 years? The Actors are an intricate part of their union AND a significant MAJORITY. Ripping 75% of their membership away would RUIN AFTRA and the remaining 25%, and they will not let that happen. Nor should they.
The only way to ensure that actors get gains is to work TOGETHER. The more divided the unions are, the better it is for the AMPTP and WORSE it is for ACTORS.
VOTE!
If you think a civil war and continued jurisdictional battles with AFTRA is the way to go, vote MF.
If you think that we must UNITE together then vote U4S.
Everything else is secondary to that.
Dali Hammer,
Exactly HOW will MF beat AFTRA into submission? I’ve been asking and asking. Please do enlighten me.
The fact is that AFTRA is 63% SAG members and we are FIGHTING OURSELVES. That is completely irrational and counterproductive.
You seem to think SAG can take on everyone and win. But if SAG is fighting itself (Hollywood MF vs. NY and regional branches) and AFTRA, how in the world can it fight the AMPTP?
Unless actors stand TOGETHER, we will all lose. And a civil war only hurts ACTORS.
As to a strike authorization, do you really think SAG will get a 75% authorization with the factionalization within SAG right now? They know they can’t. MF may run Hollywood, but they don’t run the other half of the guild. And as long as they continue to DIVIDE us, our clout is GONE.
VOTE –
Civil war with AFTRA – vote MF
Unite against the common enemy – vote U4S.
Don’t let anyone tell you actors don’t make the show work. All the other negotiations were dullsville, even the WGA, compared to this absurdist farce.
been there
“beat aftra into submission?” I don’t believe I said that.
the are two alternate, completely separate realities here:
1. aftra has been abused by sag, and is doing the best thing for its members by negotiating apart from sag and by making deals that undercut sag deals to keep those aftra people working. aftra should continue this practice and do what it needs to do, and not let sag bully it or influence it in any way. and, aftra should merge with sag to create one union.
2. aftra has abused sag. aftra complains of slights and disrespect, but the fact is, despite an agreement NOT to undercut each other (cvr-17) aftra has consistently done so, most visibly by breaking from sag on the tv/theatrical contract, and accepting the template deal that allows non-union work in its own contract for new media. now, it is beginning negotiations on a vo actor interactive contract without alerting sag, let alone negotiating with sag (despite this being outside the phase 1 agreement). sag should not merge with aftra, but, rather, encourage sag/aftra actors to begin phasing out working aftra contracts so all actors can come under the protection of sag’s better deals.
well, I gotta go with 2. I see lots of aftra dirty moves, undercutting sag. I see them violating agreements not to do that with sag. I myself, as an actor, have firsthand experience of the vast gulf in money and residuals between aftra and sag contracts. and know, from my point of view, aftra has taken a step that violates sag’s core principals (no non-union work in any sag contract, fair pay fro reuse of actors work) and brazenly made a substandard deal with the amptp on tv/theatrical that compromises sag’s ability to get a decent deal.
so, from my point of view – why should I have any affection for a union that is consciously driving down actors wages and residuals, and want to merge with them? I have no affection for aftra. they are acting like an enemy to sag. and they should be, for self-preservation, treated as such. this is a conflict stoked by aftra, not sag. the actions I list above are afta’s moves, not sag’s, and until we can agree on just the basic facts, there’ really not much to discuss. we’ll see how the membership votes, and go from there.
“I think every post here makes your choice crystal clear:
Vote MF – continue with the war on AFTRA and try to FORCE AFTRA to give up the Actors to SAG, which are 75% of it’s membership.
Vote U4S – Stop the war with AFTRA and get all Actors UNITED against the AMPTP.
“United we stand. Divided we fall.” That has never been more true. If you are on the fence, just look to that one extreme difference.
Comment by Been There — August 31, 2008 @ 7:59 pm”
Here’s what I think:
We need a fresh prospectiveFighting among our self’s during contact negotiation is insane. Slate vs. Slate, member against member, all of this and more while contract negotiations are going on are not in our best interest.Do you really think that two warring factions in the boardroom can function while protecting your interest? If no, then vote Independent
Vote for a Independent candidate, Vote for Gary Watts #43 on your ballot.
‘Been There’….
There’s no Civil War. It’s SAG trying to stand up for actors, while AFTRA does what serves the institution. We’re freakin’ tired of it. We’re all united as performers. Wanna know how SAG can destroy AFTRA in about 6 months? Easy… Close all joint branches that SAG is paying the lions share to operate… Kick them out of Museum Square (I think AFTRA leases space from SAG there too)… SAG then dumps AFL-CIO and joins Teamsters, allowing them to legally poll every AFTRA show and ask the performers if they would rather be represented by SAG. Most will choose SAG… game over, AFTRA.
Chocolatewolf,
“I long for…dream about…the day when ALL actors are in one union — the ACTOR’S union that actually cares about the membership: SAG”.
Interesting. SAG is only ACTORS? Right now, SAG represents Background, Stunt Performers, Voice Over Artists, Puppeteers, Dancers, Singers and…. oh yeah… Actors. And over 1/3 of SAG members are ALSO AFTRA members.
Can anyone tell me WHY there is such a fear that a few Broadcasters, Musicians and Radio Personalities would change the mix so much??? I can’t see any rationale for that.
Do the math – there are currently 120,000 SAG members, 70,000 AFTRA members and 44,000 dual card holders. A combined union would consist of 146,000 members of which 83% would be CURRENT SAG MEMBERS. And another 7% would be ACTORS who are AFTRA members only. That leaves about 10% Broadcasters, Musicians and Radio Personalities.
THAT is what we are at war about? 10%? C’mon…
Continue the WAR – vote MF
Unite against the common enemy – vote U4S
SAG and AFTRA are at odds because of a fundamental difference: SAG is financially sound and AFTRA is not financially sound. SAG has been managed well and AFTRA has not been managed well. SAG makes decisions that benefit the members, while AFTRA makes decisions that will keep it afloat as an organization.
It does not make financial sense for SAG to merge with or absorb AFTRA. AFTRA would have to dissolve for this to make financial sense, and AFTRA does not want to dissolve.
Take the personalities of each union’s leadership out of the equation and look at the root of the conflict. You can plug ANYBODY into this equation and you’ll always come up with the same answer: The only way SAG can merge with AFTRA is for SAG to become financially unsound.
been there
we are sorry to have to inform you that your dream of a sag/aftra merger has passed away.
it was nearly 70 years old. there is no actual birth certificate because its parents are unknown. the sag/aftra merger was found in a dumpster in glendale california at the age of approximately 1 month.
it had a sickly childhood and as a result, it rarely left its room and spent a large part of its life in the hospital.
as a result it had very little knowledge of the real world, how it works, and sag/aftra merger’s place in it.
the process of at least trying to lead a normal life was threatened over the years by aftra’s insistence on going its own way, without the consent of it’s attached other half, sag.
despite the deformity and it’s overall health consequences, merger struggled on through the decades, hoping somehow for an advance that would make its weaker malnourished side – aftra – able to function on it’s own, without negatively effecting the health of its strong, healthy side – sag.
finally, last july, aftra made a full break from sag. those who care about the merger were devastated as aftra stumbled badly without sag, and began accepting advances from a club of enormously wealthy men, otherwise known as “the amptp” to “come to their apartment.”
finally, upon the advice of its thousands upon thousands of supporters, sag made a full break from aftra as well. sag thrived without the health problems aftra had consistently inflicted on it, and is now enjoying a normal, successful life in a healthy relationship with those around it.
aftra, ironically, was found dead in a dumpster in glendale california. it had apparently died from a lack of residuals, and it’s inability to refuse the advances of the amptp, which spread it’s diseased values to aftra through repeated forced intimate contact.
an autopsy revealed that aftra had no brain and apparently reacted to any stimuli, like a child offered candy until it succumbed to diabetes. it was the opinion of the final medical report that aftra “simply couldn’t help itself,” and eventually ingested a toxic, and finally fatal combination of bad advice, amptp bullshit and cheap whine.
in lieu of flowers please send a a very large contribution to the aftra survivors fund care of the amptp.
Red Eye,
AFTRA is financially unsound??? Sounds like an unfounded rumor floated to do fear mongering to me.
SAG (i.e. MF) makes decisions to help it’s members??!! I will take that to task:
A civil war is helping it’s members? Now we have AFTRA with a competing contract for Primetime and SAG with NO contract for Primetime. It will happen with the Commercial contract as well.
MF has put off the Commercial contract for 5 years! That is helping it’s members? So much for getting significant increases for Cable, which is why they started in the first place 10 years ago. The Commercial strike was all about signficant increases in Cable, yet we got the standard increases for that and the last contract, which was 5 years ago.
MF has no agency agreement with the ATA. Now every actor has to start their relationship with their agency by fighting for items that used to be standard. Many GSA’s have sub SAG Franchise terms, but the actors cannot do anything about it without risking losing representation.
If you think that is putting members first, great. I don’t.
to been there:
i do believe that the department of labor documents filed by SAG and AFTRA for the last fiscal year show SAG to have taken in more money than it spent and AFTRA having operated at a loss.
isn’t this something that we went through right here on DHD
a couple of weeks ago?
i’ll look for those documents in my files. if anyone else has them
handy, please post them for Mr./ Ms. Been There’s edification.
Harry isn’t the point one guild representing all performers. There are ways around the pension thing . It’s called a buyout for aftra and make them start over in a sag pension. As for the representation of Aftra on your board, don’t you have elections every three years. Vote them out,nothing is forever. There is logical choices to be made here. This contract may be gone but cleanup the house and yourself cleaner and stronger. Get a strike vote before you go into negations. They will know you mean business. You can’t use what happened to the writers, because as urban legend has it they had a deal at the eleventh hour and jumped the gun in New York. A fat show runner said the strike would only last two weeks. Well two weeks and eighty six days. I guess he’s not Karnac
For the record, I’m a SAG member and have nothing to due with the gaming industry other than being a game junkie, but OMG, gaming is where SAG is SO incredibly far out of touch with reality it frightens me.
For ages, I’ve been saying all the the reasons Kwest cited, and I’m an actor, not a Dev. I have several actor friends who are gamers and I haven’t found one yet that doesn’t agree that SAG is stark raving MAD, if they think actors ever will or that they should ever get residuals for VOs in games.
The Devs might work up to 24 hours straight at crunch-time and SAG thinks some actor who wanders in for a few hours and does few lines ought to get residuals – PLEASE!
I was at E3 the year when SAG sent us all e-mails asking us to come out a show our support for SAG – I was there, but inside the convention center salivating over all the games. I think I was the only one inside that was even aware SAG was supposedly protesting.
Kwest:
“I am just saying it does not add to the sales. And the reason it seems like 2005 all over again with the ‘we don’t really need you’ thing is because, in essence, it is true. It is not negotiation tactic. Truth be told, our industry is not mature enough to- in my mind- utilize negotiation tactics.”
So TRUE – Just look at MxO – or for all the SAG people that wouldn’t have a clue, The Matrix Online, it had all the biggies from the original movie except Keanu who died in the last movie. No doubt they were all getting BIG bucks plus the Wachoski doing the story line YET it was a dismal failure.
Actors don’t make or break a game, Devs do! Good voice-acting is a plus sure, but some of my favorite games had the worst acting ever and were HUGE hits. Final Fantasy series anyone!?!? And as in MxO great-voice acting can’t save a game that has major developemnt flaws.
E3 was the one time I was actually embarassed to be a member of SAG, well that is up until now, trying to decide between which is the lesser of evil of TWO idiotic, self-serving and irrational factions warring to lead my Guild …………. right down the shitter.