It’s time to end once and for all the rampant speculation. Sony doesn’t want any info to leak but I’m told that both star Tobey Maguire and director Sam Raimi will be returning to make Zodiac screenwriter Jamie Vanderbilt’s script of Spider-Man 4. Sources tell me that Sony has recently locked in both veterans of Spider-Man 1 through 3. And I do mean recently because just a few weeks ago sources told me that Sony Pictures co-chairman Amy Pascal was openly discussing Tobey’s potential replacements with various Hollywood agents because Tobey was hanging tough about a deal. “She was looking around to cover herself because Sony wanted him badly and Tobey wasn’t sure he wanted to do it,” an insider explained to me. (Later today, a Sony Pictures spokesman claimed to me on the record, “There was never anyone considered for the role but Tobey.”)
There’s no deal yet for Kirsten Dunst but Mary Jane Watson will be in the movie again. I’m told Sony “would never recast her” despite her rehab problems. But expect another gal part, too.
Gone is the black costume from Spidey 3, even though “dark” is all the rage in superhero movies right now given the enormous success of The Dark Knight. But I’m told the filmmakers won’t be borrowing from the latest Batman installment because “Spider-Man is its own thing,” one insider tells me. ”Sam Raimi made the first serious superhero movie, and others followed. The difference between Spider-Man and Batman is that Batman is duelling with a dark side of himself, and that’s not what Peter Parker’s struggle is. Peter Parker has no dark side himself. In Spider-Man 3 it was the black costume. Peter Parker’s struggle is about sacrifice.”
Sony is taking its time officially hiring the movie’s villain since principal photography doesn’t start on Spider-Man 4 until next fall because of the recently postponed May 2011 release.
I am told, however, that “once you find out who the villain is, you’ll know who’s playing it.” That should lead to speculation that Dylan Baker’s character of Dr. Curt Connors will ultimately turn into The Lizard as he did in the comic books. There’s one other character that’s been set up but is a real longshot — Daniel Gillies, who plays John Jameson, the astronaut fiance of Mary Jane in Spider-Man 2. In the comics he becomes the villain Man-Wolf. Raimi has said in the past that he wants the best actors to play the villains in the movie, not necessarily the most famous.
I’m also told that, right now, the studio is trying to figure out if it can feasibly shoot Spider-Man 4 and 5 at the same time because doing that is so cost effective and ”it wasn’t so easy to get everybody back together”.
Meanwhile, Sony is moving forward on its Spider-Man Broadway musical with music and lyrics by Bono and The Edge of U2 to be directed by Julie Taymor, the Tony Award-winning director of The Lion King. I’m still in a state of shock that Amy Pascal and Julie Taymor are working together again after the knock-down, drag-out fights they had over Sony/Revolution’s Across The Universe. This is one of those showbiz moments when the Hollywood maxim, ”I’ll never work with you again until I need you”, comes true.
And Sony has hired a pair of screenwriters to get going on the Spider-Man 3 spinoff movie Venom. Given that comic book artist/writer and action figure maker, Todd McFarlane, who is one of the creators of the Marvel villain, doesn’t think a Venom movie could do well with a villain as the central character, my sources think Sony should let Topher Grace, even though he was blown up at the end of Spider-Man 3 (yet a portion of the Venom costume survived), stay in the role because the likeable actor could be a a sympathetic evildoer.
Meanwhile, you can snag a walk-on role on the movie via an eBay auction that ends at 7 PM PDT today. That’s an hour before the broadcast networks ABC, CBS and NBC collaborate to air a historic, live and commercial-free television event, Stand Up To Cancer. Yes, Sony is allowing the charity to sell off the “Spider-Man 4 VIP Experience” which includes: a visit to the set of Spider-Man 4 (one shooting day, location of visit will be determined by Sony Pictures based on scheduling of visit), a meet-and-greet with the cast (1 hour), a walk-on/extra role in the film for the auction winner only (role and length of screen time to be determined by Sony Pictures), a trip to the New York premiere (location of U.S. premiere may be changed at Sony Pictures’ discretion), designer outfits to wear to premiere for winner and guest from top designers (designers to be chosen by Sony Pictures; winner and guest may keep the outfits; winner and guest will walk the premiere’s red carpet).
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More proof that studio suits are idiots.
“Peter Parker has no dark side himself.”
Umm, what was the third movie all about, then?
Hopefully, Sony won’t ruin 4 and 5 like they did with 3. They shoe-horned in Venom, which made the film try to do too much. The stuff with Sandman was great, and that was the movie Raimi wanted to tell, you could see it. The studio stuffed too much in it. Plus, the whole movie needed editing — a result of trying to get it out the door to make its release deadline. Less would have been more. Some of the Peter Parker scenes were embarrassing.
Superhero movies need to be more focused. Look at Raimi’s own Darkman. Darkman spends the entire movie going after the people who hurt him. The movie ends when he succeeds. He didn’t have to fight other villains or spend time introducing new characters. Spidey needs to fight one villain, with some spectacular fight scenes, take care of his personal business, conquer the villain and get the girl, and end of movie. They’ve beat the “with great power comes great responsibility” garbage into the ground. Let’s get on with it!
Also the track record of shooting two movies together has been spotty. Back to the Future 2 & 3, and the Matrix 2 & 3 were really director’s cuts of sequels broken up into two parts. They should have been a single movie. Let’s hope Spidey 4 & 5 don’t suffer the same fate.
Just when I was starting to think Tobey Maguire was finally rid of his Spider Man responsibilities so he could go back to real acting. How unfortunate that such a talented actor who kicked ass in the likes of Wonder Boys has been reduced to playing a superhero geek.
In regard to Kirsten “snaggletooth” Dunst, I doubt too many people would miss if her she wasn’t in the next two movies. She was a pain in the ass in the last one especially.
There’s no deal yet for Kirsten Dunst but Mary Jane Watson will be featured. I’m told Sony “would never recast her” despite her rehab problems.
But what about her acting problems?
“Umm, what was the third movie all about, then?”
It was about Parker getting turned dark by an outside force that took him over. That’s not the same thing as fighting your inner demons or negative impulses.
And for the record, no, I’m not defending that turd of a movie.
After the cinematic abomination that was Spiderman 3, I have little to no faith that this franchise can be fixed with the same director/actor team. If they can find a way to make it more of an entertaining action romp with MINOR doses of melodrama, and totally free of crying & dancing emo Peter Parker, that’s a good place to start. Short, snappy and to the point if you MUST continue to milk this tentpole (how’s that for a mixed metaphor!).
I’m not excited by a new Spider-Man film. Not at all.
But that Spider-Man musical excites me! And here’s a video with director Julie Taymor talking very enthusiastically about. Shot it during an interview in Sweden.
Actually the Sandman character was handled far worse than Venom. They awkwardly retconned the killing of Uncle Ben to shoehorn Sandman into the story, in a forced effort to make a “personal” connection between Sandman and Peter Parker. Then they made Spidey “forgive” him at the end of the movie, in a very sappy copout that is not true to the crimefighting nature of the character or his origin. Awful, awful, liberal-tinged rewriting of a comic book legend there. Not to mention they were very unimaginative with the Sandman action scenes and effects. He could have been as creepy and threatening as the T-1000. I could even show you a Spider-Man cartoon from the 1980s that got better action scenes in that vein out of Sandman. Venom, on the other hand, was handled fairly faithfully to the comics. His connection with Peter wasn’t forced and he was allowed to be a genuinely evil villain. Thank God Marvel “forced” Venom into the movie or it might have been more of a washout.
One huge bummer is that James Franco’s Harry Osborn won’t be able to be in the sequels. He really pulled together a fantastic performance in the third movie, one of the few actors in that trainwreck that did.
The Lizard/Curt Connors would be fantastic.
Maybe Sandman can make a cameo, as he is still out there.
Also, it could be possible that another villain could be none other then Bruce Campbell as Mysterio.
Here is some info on that character:
“Quentin Beck was born in Riverside, California. Before becoming Mysterio, Beck was a special effects wizard and stunt man who worked for a major Hollywood studio and had dreams to make a name for himself in the film industry. However, he lacked the looks and talent to be a star and the patience to be a director, and saw his career in special effects to be a dead-end job. When a friend jokingly suggested that the quickest way to become famous is to take out a costumed hero, Beck realized that his expertise in illusions could make him an effective supervillain. Choosing Spider-Man, a relatively weak and inexperienced target, Beck prepared his resources for a few months before attempting to eliminate the wall-crawler. Mysterio, his chosen identity, became one of Spider-Man’s most elusive and persistent foes.”
And hopefully, Raimi will feel no need to add any dance /musical numbers…I mean, there is a real musical on the way…heh
Worst casting ever… and now it continues. Everyone bought Raimi’s snow job that Tobey was a slam dunk as Peter Parker, but that couldn’t be further from the truth. Peter Parker wasn’t a 5-foot-tall ugly nerd. His character was insecure and a walking target for bullies, but he was a good-looking kid who hadn’t grown into himself yet. And he ALWAYS had a great sense of humor and a knack for one-liners, something Tobey can’t pull off to save his life. Perfect casting would have been Seth from the OC (Adam Brody) — goofy, handsome, hilarious. Not the troll Sony sold to America as the “perfect” Spidey. But there was no arguing with Spider-Man’s box office and now that ship has sailed for the worse, with Raimi getting far more credit than he deserves.
I don’t understand all the hate for Spiderman 3 among the comic fans. While not quite as good as part one and two, Part 3 is still a solid entertainment despite director Raimi juggling to many characters. Im glad Mcquire and him are back, because there two very talented guys who are great for this franchise!
As long as Spidey swings around and shoots webs it doesn’t matter who’s behind the camera or who’s pretending to be inside the CGI suit.
GREAT NEWS!!! We get two more shitty Spider-Man movies!!!
For starters, SM3 was awful. The movie completely lost me when Mary Jane was forced to break up with Peter in the park by Harry because he threatened her.
Seriously? Any real girl, knowing her boyfriend is Spiderman (a man who saved her ass from far worse things in two previous films) would have told Peter that Harry was threatening her from the bushes nearby. Also why didn’t Peter’s “Spidey Sense” kick in?
Anyhow the movie just kept upping the shenanigan level as it went on. Culminating with a half ass fight and a rooftop crying fest. How stupid.
The only way to bring this back is to reboot it as a fun simple action movie. Hire an actor who won’t portray Peter the way Reeves portrayed Clark Kent. Hire a beautiful woman to be Mary Jane. And while I love your site Nikki, Eddie Brock aka Venom was a big bodybuilder of a jock in the comic. Not the dude from That 70′s Show with highlights. So no to him returning.
And a Venom movie is a dumb idea. The name recognition of the Venom character will do nothing to distinguish him from second rate comic book movie fare like Spawn. Sony played themselves with the hopes of making an easy buck here and they are in for a surprise when the backlash earned from part 3 makes people tune 4 and 5 out.
I know the first Spider-Man was excellent. But the first serious hero/comic-book movie was Superman. Richard Donner took the material seriously and all comic book movies follow its template.
Aren’t there any other comic books we can make into movies?
Tobey McGuire puts me to sleep – he’s the most boring superhero ever!
These movies are cheesy and the CGI in them has never impressed me.
Just let Spidey go with *some* dignity (ok, it might be too late for that, but let’s pretend).
Netflixed “Spider-Man 3″ out of curiosity (after making a marathon of the previous two), tried to get through the first 20 minutes, fast-forwarded through the rest, stopping for a few seconds in between to see what transpired, but that was enough.
Please REBOOT this tired franchise!
Tired of the look and sound of the Spiderman films in general – SPIDERMAN 3 pretty much killed the franchise for me: the cliched repetitive music, the Emo-Saturday Night Fever scenes showing how cool (or uncool)Parker is, one-dimensional villains who morph into Godzilla at the climax, Sony’s insistence on taking Parker’s mask off for many scenes, Raimi’s interruption of action scenes ny inserting lame comedy and characters such as TV reporters, the same Spiderman gliding/flying angles, the infuriatingly boring love triangle with a most irritating actress Kirstin Dunst – I could go on but a reboot is in order.
They better get someone else too to direct, Raimi has kinda lost his edge on these films, they all look like carbon copies of each other.
And I’m tired of numbers behind the titles; why can’t they make sequels called THE AMAZING SPIDER MAN, THE SPECTACULAR SPIDERMAN and so forth. Sony is trying to milk the franchise but by sticking to the same formula, cast and director it is killing it.
I’m pleased to hear that Maguire and Raimi are returning for “Spider-Man 4″ (and possibly SM-5). Personally I thought SM-3 was enjoyable but absolutely reeked from studio interference (too many villains was the problem). Perhaps Sony will take a hint from the fans and actually let Raimi tell his own movie without interference? It worked brilliantly for the first two.
And I find this mighty concidental, especially the following days after TDK broke $500 million domestically. It probably accelerated Sony’s desire to get SM-4 on the fast-track and get the movie out to theaters before a third Batman film in summer 2011.
Spidey 1&2 two were EXCELLENT. I don’t understand why everyone hated #3 with such venom (har!), though it was inarguably the worst one. Blame the fandom for demanding that the studio squeeze venom into it, that was what brought the whole movie down, not doing the character any justice.
Am I the only one that thinks Tobey and Kirsten were well cast in this franchise?
I know most of anyone who visits this board actually has read the book over the past three years, but you wouldn’t believe how bad it’s been.
The guy that Babylon 5 had been writing for years and made Spider-man an essentially magic-based character. That’s not the bad part. He made Spider-man die by some guy in a trench coat, shed his own skin and come back to life in a cocoon. Don’t believe me? Believe this, it was the begginning of the end for this book. This is how the book spiral into oblivion. After that he got a new job working for Tony Stark and a new costume to go with his new powers which were never mentioned again. Then the Super-Hero Registration thing happened and Peter Parker revealed his identity to the world. This is all withing about six months of each other and at this point you think this would be a big event that everyone suddenly knew who Spider-man was would be a big story, right? Wrong.
This is when I knew the powers that be at Marvel didn’t really ‘get it’. They did the last biggest thing with their most famous character and didn’t really care about making ‘the’ big story. It was a back story in their mega-crossover Civil War-which wasn’t very good.
It doesn’t matter, I’m not going to continue other than Peter made a deal with Mephisto (Marvel’s Satan) to end the marriage and save his Aunt May.
The worst part is… well, that it’s the worst comic of all time. The main hero does stupid and extremely questionable things and it doesn’t matter, they still right him like he’s the same guy and no one knows who he is… not even the Venom symbiote or Norman Osborn (who has been back for a while)….
Yeah, it’s that bad. I just don’t care about Spider-man 4 while this horrible ‘style’ of writing goes on in the comic book. It doesn’t matter what he does or what’s happening, all that matter is where it’s going.
Nowhere.
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When venom was first introduced, he wasnt a big body builder. He was a photographer, just like in the movie. While not quite as skinny as Topher, he didn’t get big until he went to jail and got separated from his suit.
In 3, which was definitely the worst of the 3, they should have focused less on the woes of Mary Jane and her broadway career, not had Sandman in it at all since they completely butchered his character completely, and they should have set it up for Carnage. It would have been a whole lot better of a movie and a much better setup for a sequel if they made arch enemies have to team up to take down a mutual enemy. Now that the Green Goblins are out of the picture, they needed someone to come in and save spidey before he gets killed.
P.S. Maguire is not a horrible Parker. Adam Brody would have been way worse. Watch him in his Smallville episode. The problem with whoever is playing Peter is that the writing for his character is stuck in his first becoming spider-man time frame. He quit being so insecure a while back. They don’t let the personal move on, its like a WB drama.
Mary Jane too is written so horribly. They should just leave her out of these next movies and bring in Black Cat. She was a much better love interest of Peters and would be better suited for the movies since they are probably never gonna bring Venom or Carnage to the movies again.
Just my 2 cents
I loved Spiderman and Spiderman 2, but Spiderman 3 wasn’t that good. However, I think it is foolish to compare the Spiderman movies with the Christopher Nolan/Christian Bale Batman films. The Spiderman movies are bright & colorful movies, while the Batman movies are dark and compelling character driven films.
Frankly, they are a reflection of the actual comic books. Spiderman is MARVEL and Batman is DC. Hey, it’s no crime to like them both!
I’m actually a bit sad to hear this news. I think Raimi and Tobey should have both moved on and passed.
The last one was awful and borderline unwatchable. It’s on cable all the time and I have never rewatched it after seeing it once in the theater. Just a bad movie. No desire to see it ever again.
Tobey is so much better than this part (or at least how it was written in 3).
I would love to see him in more comedic roles with heart. I think he has that earnest quality as an actor that is rare in this day and age.
Spiderman, after 3, feels like it’s sorely in need of a reboot. The cast of regulars just aren’t that inspiring.
I know there are cool villains to use in the next 2 films, but we already know where the movie is going with the Raimi formula and the ride has lost its fun.
3 really sucked the life out of the goodwill 2 brought in.
My advice to them would be to definitely take a page from the Dark Knight and give us something full of suspense and find a way to make the audience believe that Spiderman can’t save the day this time.
A truly formiddable villian is needed.
For some reason, all of the previous villains weren’t that scary and Raimi really sought to make the villain’s sympathetic. Bad move. It’s good vs. evil. That’s how this works.
Give me a psychopath who doesn’t care about taking human life and I’ll root for Spidey to win.
Don’t give me a guy who’s pissed because of his Dad (Goblin Jr.) or wife (Doc Oct) or is trying to get money for his kid (Sandman) or wants to be Peter Parker (Venom)….I think too much thought has gone into making the villains human.
Sony should not be asking Raimi for more of the same.
They should be challenging him to make these next 2 films truly epic.
And DO NOT make a Venom standalone movie. The studio is completely overestimating the fanbase’s love for that character.
The fans like Venom because of his design and videogame presence, not his storyline.
A Venom movie would be a huge flop since there is hardly any worthwhile mythology to pull a decent story from.
I don’t know how much of Spider-Man 3 can be blamed on Raimi, since in his script the villains were Goblin II, the Sandman and the Vulture (the Vulture was the main villain, Sandman was being manipulated by him. Obviously Green Goblin II and Spider-Man team up to take them down). Raimi never wanted Venom in the film. It was forced on him (only a few months before filming too) by Avi Arad (insane producer… in the commentary of Spider-Man 1, he says he wanted to make not 3, but 15 Spider-Man films). Mr Arad announced it publicy at a comic convention that venom would be in the film… without clearing it with anyone first (this is also part of the reason Mr Arad no longer works at Marvel). Venom was written into the script in about 2 months and it shows. Not only that, but Sandman’s story suffered, as his motivation (Vulture manipulating him) was gone. Still, Spider-Man 3 was a poor script, with flimsy motives for the villains. So, I’m willing to give Raimi another chance to make a good Spider-Man film now that Avi Arad is gone (thank God). But if 4 sucks, I’m writing off the series from film 2 onwards.