

2ND UPDATE (Writethru): The balance of power vis-a-vis Hollywood employer-labor relations shifted sizeably today. And suddenly SAG finds itself with tremendous contract leverage and Big Media not so much.
The Screen Actors Guild announced this afternoon that a postcard poll of its members shows 87.27% support for its negotiating team continuing to bargain for a better contract with the Big Media cartel's AMPTP and refusing to accept the AMPTP's June 30 offer.
This now becomes a huge problem for the Hollywood CEOs whose labor lawyers have been arguing for months that SAG's leaders pressing for richer New Media terms were acting against the wishes of the membership. Because now it's clear that the AMPTP was only deluding itself that there was some groundswell of SAG actors who would approve the lower-cost AFTRA-like version of the contract currently on the negotiating table if only it were offered to them. So SAG called the employers' bluff and postcard polled its members. It doesn't matter that the AMPTP today complained about the way the poll was conducted. Talk about sour grapes. Because the 10% responses from postcards sent to all eligible SAG members is objectively considered large for that kind of sampling (and only 15% to 25% of the membership vote in the elections themselves). Basically, the employers have been hoisted on their own petard.
Look, the AMPTP's divide-and-conquer strategy almost worked. It did manage for months to take the biggest, strongest and (to the employers) scariest Hollywood guild and almost reduce this proud pedigree to a cowering cur. But that was then, and this is now.
Oh, and did I mention that a giant loser in all this is the AFTRA national president Roberta Reardon who now looks like just a blowhard for boasting about what a great deal she got her actor members. She can spin all she wants, but here's proof that SAG members want better terms than the low-cost compliant pact she accepted from the AMPTP.
Today's pro-leadership development is a wake-up call for the intransigent but disengaged moguls to either send the AMPTP formally back to the bargaining table with a more conciliatory attitude (because the talks between both sides have never stopped, and I have proof...), or to take over the negotiations themselves like they did to end the writers strike. ("If they don't realize that, then they really do have their head in the sand," one SAG leader told me this afternoon. "We wanted to use this tool to make sure the CEOs get re-engaged, roll up their sleeves, and work with us to get the heavy lifting done.")
Not even the results of tomorrow's election to SAG's national board can now change the direction of the negotiations much if at all: they're irrelevant. Because the big actors guild membership is more unified over getting a better contract than anyone thought.
Remember, the postcard poll had nothing to do with asking for a strike authorization vote which isn't being contemplated now. Also remember that if SAG can negotiate for itself a better New Media contract than either the WGA or DGA pacts, then those guilds would benefit thanks to the favored nations verbal agreement made by News Corp No. 2 Peter Chernin.
What a big day in guild relations vs the Big Media cartel this is!
Here is SAG's official announcement, followed by the AMPTP's churlish response:
Los Angeles, September 17, 2008 - The Screen Actors Guild National Negotiating Committee met today and was given the results of the SAG mail-in poll by National Executive Director and Chief Negotiator, Doug Allen.
87.27% of the10,298 SAG members who responded to the poll said the union should continue bargaining in an effort to achieve a fair contract. 12.73% of those who responded said they would accept the terms presented in the AMPTP’s June 30th offer to SAG.
Postcards were mailed to 103,630 paid-up SAG members on August 28 with a return deadline of September 15, with a 9.94% return. Postcard return statistics matched almost exactly the geographic distribution of SAG members, with 56.07% of the responses from Hollywood, 20.83% from NY, and 23.10% from regional branch members.
The results of the poll indicate that members agree with the actions passed by SAG’s national board in July and August:
July 26, 2008: “It is a core principle of Screen Actors Guild— That no non-union work shall be authorized to be done under any SAG agreement and; That all work done under a Screen Actors Guild contract, regardless of budget level, shall receive fair compensation when reused.“
August 21, 2008 “To support the negotiating team to get the very best contract possible for our membership.”
Screen Actors Guild President Alan Rosenberg stated, “I am encouraged to see that members-at-large agree with the strategy of the national board and their national negotiating committee. This membership poll provides clear insight and direction concerning how actors feel about their futures. Clearly they expect Screen Actors Guild to protect them from exploitation in new media, and to preserve longstanding principles and contract provisions.”
National Executive Director and Chief Negotiator Doug Allen commented, “Our objective was to take the pulse of our members and I am pleased that the response reflects the resolve we have seen from SAG members around the country throughout this negotiating process. The AMPTP suggested we send their June 30 offer to our members to ratify. These poll results indicate that was wishful thinking on their part. We will now urge the AMPTP to roll up their sleeves and to put in the hard work required to bargain a fair, equitable agreement as soon as possible.”
The AMPTP issued this statement in reaction:
September 17, 2008 -- The mass postcard mailing by SAG negotiators was a farce. The questions were devised to give SAG negotiators only the answer they wanted to hear. The materials accompanying the postcard were hopelessly one-sided. SAG member votes were recorded by name, exposing those who opposed SAG negotiators to possible retribution. And some SAG members reportedly received multiple ballots. In short, this mass postcard mailing was another exercise in futility by SAG's negotiators, and the results are meaningless. We have made a fair offer, with significant gains in salary and new media. That offer remains on the table, for the time being, despite steadily deteriorating economic conditions. In the meantime, we and all of the other industry guilds have gone back to work, and SAG members continue to miss out on the benefits of a new contract.
The postcard “poll” really has no value or worth as it is not an official strike authorization, nor is it a vote of confidence in the current slate of SAG negotiators. That being said, look for Rosenberg and Allen to claim victory and support for their hopelessly weak negotiating effort. The real votes that matter are counted tomorrow and let’s all hope for a real change in the board or we all will be looking at another cold Winter even worse than last year.
OH NO!!! You mean the AMPTP is FURIOUS with us actors? How will we EVER sleep at night?
What the AMPTP doesn’t understand is that people can only be pushed so far. Producers have basically destroyed the middle-class actor over the past few years, rendering acting a “part-time hobby” to many thousands of actors who used to make a living from their profession.
The AMPTP forced most of us to go out and get part-time jobs outside of our profession in order to take care of our families with such tricks as squeezing guest star salaries into “one-day take-it-or-leave-it” barely-over-scale salaries and getting AFTRA to undercut basic cable salaries.
Where does that leave the AMPTP? With a GIANT group of actors who can now afford to walk.
A reminder to the AMPTP: Be careful what you wish for because you might just get it.
first of all – let’s see the numbers. however, if “overwhelming” is the correct word, then I think the current leadership of sag has been resoundingly vindicated.
the portrayal of this as a “push poll” by the amptp, by unite for strength, by jonathan handel – anti-mf attorney/mouthpiece, sagwatch.net – go to blog for mf haters blinded by rage and cynicism and completely unwilling and unable to consider the idea that membership first might be taking a principled stand on a watershed contract and that (apparently) they have the backing of their own membership – steve diamond, disgruntled ex-almost NED of SAG with a real ax to grind over being rejected for the job, and others including roberta reardon and kim hedgepath at aftra and many members of the regional sag boards and the n.y sag board who also wish membership first ill because of their own petty fears, insecurities and complete lack of balls in the face of this unsignable deal offered by the amptp – is a clear hedge: if the poll came back poorly for sag, all the mf-haters get to say “see I told you so – the sag membereship has no confidence in its current leadership.they have to go.” if it comes back positive, as it apparently has, they go right to “it was a ‘push poll” and it not only means nothing, it is “outrageous,” “a farce,” and so on.
well, unfortunately for all of the above – you can’t have it both ways and the membership of sag has spoken and they DO NOT AGREE WITH YOU. ANY of you.
now, it’s vital to remember what the poll said. it gave two choices:
a. do you want sag to sign the contract as is?
b. do you want sag to continue its efforts to fight for sag members for a fair contract.
now look mf-haters, aftra-huggers, and all those others who wish the current leadership ill, and have been so hateful in word and deed towards the sag leadership working round the clock under enormous pressure from their own membership and an arrogant and furious amptp that sag would have the TEMERITY to ask for a fair contract.
a deal that didn’t force the union to violate its own core principals and include a non-union space in its own contract and allow producers to steer residuals to the web (”move over” – which they are already doing) to phase out residuals as we know it. actors rely on residual for up to 50% of their income, and middle class actors – which this whole thing is about – would be essentially out of the business of acting.
the amptp has had the chance to behave responsibly from day one – aftra has had the chance to do the same. they have both acted irresponsibly, unprofessionaly and in a hostile and predatory manner towards the largest, most powerful actors union in the world – the proud screen actors guild – and they have done it brazenly, without remorse or conscience, and then stood around tapping their feet impatiently, using the mainstream entertainment media to make their case that sag MUST sign what the dga, wga and aftra, sag’s “sister” union had already signed,
well, sorry corporate reptiles – the answer IF this headline is correct is: FUCK. YOU.
if that is true, I have NEVER been so proud to be a member of the screen actors guild as I am today.
Heard a couple of “actors” talking about this this morning. Quoting them: “This will be the END of SAG.” To which, I as a writer who just suffered through a strike thought, “If morons like you are part of SAG then it deserves a painful death.”
Fortunately, SAG Leadership, many of whom I’m proud to call friends, know exactly what they’re doing and I damn sure wish our leadership had the balls to stay the course instead of caving in to a few hotshot TV showrunners who only cared about themselves and their TV paycheck. Almost every writer I know is struggling to get scripts sold and made. A lot of good selling out did us, didn’t it? I hope SAG gets everything they want and more–it takes real guts to stand up when everybody else in town is yelling “Sit down.”
When and if the time comes, I’ll be proud to walk shoulder to shoulder with them in protest against those greedy lowlife AMPTP bastards.
The poll probably doesn’t “mean” anything, but it’s good news. The problem is that these companies want to pay their CEOs $50m bonuses and hire stars and directors at 15% of gross. Of course there’s “no money” left over. The whole system has become a complete parody of Corporate America capitalism, which as we’re seeing this week is not a healthy place to be. Someone needs to slam these people down in Econ 101 and give them a three-day session on Efficiency Wage Theory. I.e. it’s profitable in the short term to screw people, but in the long term it’s better to have just treated them fairly from the start. Then you don’t, I don’t know, lose half your Spring/Summer 2009 slate because of a WGA strike and a de facto SAG strike. That could end up costing the studios a lot more than if they just negotiated fair contracts from the start.
LOL, AMPTP is whining like the little bitches they really are. “The poll was unfair, waaaaaa” Meanwhile,all they had to do was play fair. Not give away the store, but just play fair. Greedy, heartless motherfuckers..
The DGA dirtbags don’t deserve to benefit from favored nations.
SAG mailed out 103,630 postcards to paid up SAG members… ONLY 10,298 responded. Wow, all you SAG members must be so proud of how many people couldn’t care enough to send back a simple postcard.
Best of luck to those who care about their union and future. To the can’t be bothered crowd…I hope you never get an acting job.
To the 8,987 disrespectful wretches who voted for their Guild to keep on negotiating:
When your betters received their Emmy nominations back in July, they tried to give you the benefit of their accumulated wisdom, the wisdom that ALWAYS comes with being blessed with success in the acting trade (Hollywood Reporter, July 18-20).
KEVIN SPACEY told you to take the AMPTP’s “last, best and final” offer. He hoped that you would “have a level head about this and not fight for things in three years’ time (sic) that you can renegotiate.”
And GLENN CLOSE, of AFTRA’s “Damages,” told you to take the deal.
TED DANSON and KYRA SEDGWICK and JEAN SMART told you to take the deal.
In other forums, FORREST GUMP and HIS MAMA advised you to take the deal.
GEORGE LEATHERHEAD tried to warn you about Strike Fatigue.
And, only a few days ago, KATE WALSH (her husband is an EXECUTIVE at 20th Century-Fox! Think of the wisdom she has absorbed!) and Adam Arkin (his father, Alan, is one of the most VENERATED icons in your trade!) — Kate and Adam tried to warn you about the sinister BAR CODE printed on the very postcards on which you marked your ill-considered “X.”
I know you heard the advice and the warnings of these exalted personages. You heard it, but did you heed it???
Did you show the respect that is due to these NAMES???
No, somehow the deference you surely MUST feel toward these higher beings was overwhelmed by your hard-nosed, crafty, cunning assessment of your own selfish, selfish, selfish SELF-INTEREST!
When respect for the aristocracy of acting declines, what will become of the awe which is due to Chernin, Gray, Iger, Lynton, Meyer, Moonves, Sloan and Zucker?
What will become of the fear inspired by their Samurai Militia of the AMPTP?
Shame on you, ungrateful rabble.
Efficiency Wage Theory??? to a bunch of NON WORKING extras? are you for real?
@Comment by Proud SAG Actor — September 17, 2008 @ 2:57 pm
Pleae stop the bullshit line about poor actors working part time jobs etc.
I work for a talent management company and am in charge of logging all the checks before they hit the accountants and we have PLENTY of actors who you wouldn’t be able to name even if you tried unless you had befriended them at an audition.
‘middle class’ actors aren’t a thing of the past. If you find that you are only working once a year and need to work part time to make ends meet, then you probably are a type that is very similar to a ton of actors or, dare I say what mommy wouldn’t say to you, you probably just aren’t much of an actor and have to pick up the garbage time jobs on shows that have run for 10 years who can’t use any of the other 4000 who have already worked on the show (’ER’ anyone)
Sorry but an actor who works as a guest star on a show gets roughly $6K for working the show and AT LEAST triple that once residuals are factored in the first year. That is roughly $18-20+ thousand for 1 week of work. Most assistants at your agent and manager’s offices (ya know, the ones you call 19 times a day with inane requests and ask to ‘mapquest that audition for me’ because you are too effing stupid to use the internet. The one who’s name you refuse to learn. That one?) are making $20K for working 352 days a year and far longer hours than you work on any film set.
Care to continue bitching about how little you make?
The AMPTP knows in its charred little black smoking heart that the 10k+ actors who sent their cards are by and large the same members who will vote in favor of a strike authorization. They’ll carry picket lines and storm the Internet with videos, websites and blogs.
The best thing the moguls can do now is finally get reasonable with SAG. The last thing they want is a charged-up unified SAG membership to demand even stronger deal points than our leadership has already negotiated up to this point.
PS – Dave Clennon rocks!
AMPTP says,
“The questions were devised to give SAG negotiators only the answer they wanted to hear.”
Agreed. The SAG negotiators wanted to hear how the membership felt. They did.
This line in the AMPTP statement shows they still believe the SAG membership is a bunch of morons who could be easily bamboozled by cleverly worded statement. Believing this, the AMPTP would like to capitalize on it by trying to create it’s own cleverly worded statements to sway our feeble minds their way. Unfortunately all they come up with is a reminder that their crappy offer is still on the table “…at least for now.”
Ooooh…scary. That’s a scary threat. You mean you might take it off the table. Then what? Well, then there won’t be a crappy offer on the table that we won’t accept.
While I applaud the AMPTP’s effort to use their slightly reworded Dear John letter from an eighth grade break up to really show us what’s what, we’re just not morons. We get it. Even through your hard-hitting statements written by that jilted middle-schooler with heady ideas about, “retribution,” and an “excercise in futility,” with “multiple ballots” that are “meaningless” and even “hopelessly one-sided,” we still respectfully need to remind you we’re not interested in your crappy offer.
We don’t won’t your crappy offer and in the most straight forward way the membership has shared its support for our leaders and negotiators to work out a better deal. We did it by checking one of two boxes. We can handle stuff like that.
This really cracks me up. Hardly any of the SAG members actually sent the cards back, and SAG is claiming a victory. Classic.
I hope the Producers and Studios lock your pathetic asses out.
Go back to waiting tables…it’s what most of you do best.
Hook,
line,
and sinker.
Would you like a nice turkey dinner with all the trimmings,
or would you like a dish of moist cat food?
Tell us how you feel.
I’m only sorry that all of the weak ankle grabbers and the selfish “Take the Deal” crowd are going to benefit from the efforts of those who are willing to fight for a fair deal. Solidarity my ass.
Dave Clennon is fucking awesome.
Zackery: “We did it by checking one of two boxes. We can handle that.”
Actually, with only a voting return of 9 percent & change, it seems that a little over 90% of your union CAN’T actually handle that.
So, with a roughly 10% return rate, what we actually have is 8.7% of the total membership willing to go on-the-record (even anonymously) as supporting SAG’s negotiating position. Only in the Bizarro-World inhabited by Rosenberg and his cronies would an insignificant MINORITY represent VICTORY!
No wonder the AMPTP isn’t exactly quaking in its boots over these results.
Can’t WAIT to see the results from the national council elections in the next few days – THEN we’ll see what the rank-and-file REALLY think about how their leadership has handled these bargaining talks.
Mssrs. Rosenberg and Allen might want to consider updating their resumes…
“Efficiency Wage Theory??? to a bunch of NON WORKING extras? are you for real?”
Well … yes. Believe it or not, there are more people on movies besides the extras, on camera and behind the camera. I suspect this was a throwaway “I don’t agree but can’t/won’t come up with a real response” response, but it’s never productive in the long term to consistently underpay or overpay someone/a group. re: underpaying, constant unending labor unrest is never good for any industry for reasons that are too blindly obvious to go into. Plus if they keep playing their hands as hard as they have, one of these days someone in antitrust is going to look into the organization of the AMPTP and then it’s going to be no fun for the studios. re: overpaying, everybody always complains about star behavior, be it an actor, producer, director, whatever. Well when you’re telling someone that they’re worth $20m upfront to this movie and $40m on the back, how do you think they’re going to behave? Poorly, and then next time they’re going to come back and ask for $25/50, because why the hell not?
@Proud SAG Actor: To be fair, you sound like you’re whining too. I do make a living as an actor, and have managed to do that 5 years running, no regular job, and I’m enormously grateful and lucky to be able to say that.I’m not famous, but I do work on-camera in films too(not as much as VO though). I’m one of those middle-class guys, basically..we’re here, and we’re working. It’s not ALL AMPTP’S fault if you’re not. Take some responsibility.
“Only in the Bizarro-World inhabited by Rosenberg and his cronies would an insignificant MINORITY represent VICTORY!”
No, that’s your country, every single election cycle.
“8.SAG mailed out 103,630 postcards to paid up SAG members… ONLY 10,298″
LOL, whut!?! How pathetic. Clearly the members of SAG give even less of a crap than I do about these negotiations.
I’ve been waiting for those who claim that it’s not much of a victory to have only 10% responding or getting over 80% of those responding isn’t much of a victory. It echoes the politicians who claim that big vast silent majority is on their side. Which they never are… that’s why they are silent.
What it does show is that 90% are not so fired up to change negotiators or to set a precedent which they won’t be able to get out of that they will demand the guild give the AMPTP what it wants… even in these times of economic hardship. For even if the actors are working as actors only part time, chances are they are working in a part of the industry or business that is also adversely affected by this industry slowdown/lock-out, etc. Unless their part time other job is studio exec, in which case, they are probably doing well enough to buy that new Jag while they lay-off more and more staff, or hire temps so they can save on all the benefits.
If they are 90% silent, they aren’t fired up to make the changes UFS, AMPTP, and AFTRA has been attributed to them. Yes, it is pathetic that they don’t have the gumption to stand up and get counted, although their silence is kind of a backhanded endorsement of the status quo, meaning continuing negotiation and no merger until at least after the negotiation has finished. But I suspect that many of them were scared off by the barcode business and I doubt many of them were dumb enough to think that the current guild leadership will use it in retribution against them. I suspect that the fear is that the studios and producers will get hold of the lists and use it to blackball future employment. After all, isn’t that more the reason so many people are afraid to use their real names on sites like this?
@ manny
Ass-istants like you are why lots of talented actors can’t get through the door – talented actors who won’t do drugs with you, or sleep with you, or get you drugs or someone to sleep with. I never have this problem with agents or managers – only with their tiny-minded power-hungry high-school cliquish ass-istants who couldn’t cut it as any other part of this industry. I love good help, and in terms of an assistant who does their job and doesn’t try to usurp their bosses’- hard to find in this town.
SAG the strongest?
DGA.