I've been inundated with questions about Oliver Stone's W. biopic which is opening Friday. Some answers here:
How much money will it make?
According to MovieTickets.com, 5,079 people responded to its poll, "Do you plan to see the film W. - a movie about the life and presidency of George W. Bush?" No (63%). Yes (37%). And Fandango online ticketseller found that 60% of its respondents wanted to see W. only because of the controversy surrounding the film. In any case, Hollywood never bets the farm on political fiction pics because they usually don't attract crowds at the box office. Small budget Wag The Dog and Bullworth receved a lot of attention but not a lot of business. Studio pic Primary Colors disappointed. Stone's own JFK was wildly successful, but his Nixon underperformed. Of course, none of these pics were about a sitting U.S. president. Even though Stone's pic is opening Friday in wide release at 2,100+ North American theaters, Hollywood box office analysts are all over the map, telling me they expect anywere from a low of $5 million to a high of $12 million for the weekend. The movie's production company is hoping for at least a $10 million debut. Yet the negative cost of the movie is $30M mil, plus an outlay of $25M in marketing costs for a surprisingly aggressive TV ad campaign. Lionsgate, which is distributing the movie in North America and some foreign territories, are the same folks who released Michael Moore's self-described documentary Fahrenheit 9/11 which cost only $6 million and made on its opening June 2004 weekend nearly $24M from just 868 theaters. It went on to earn $119M gross domestically and $103M from international territories for a worldwide total of $222M. So, clearly, W is not even in the same ballpark.
Why is the movie being released right before the November election?
I've learned that, despite what he may say publicly, it was always Oliver Stone's intent to show the pic before George W. Bush left office. Stone has even blamed some of his investors for pushing for the pic to be released before the election. Insiders tell me that the "thought process" surrounding the release date looked at every possibility -- October, November, December, and January right up until the new president's inauguration when Dubya leaves office. But three weeks before Nov. 4th "was deemed the time of maximum interest," a source confided. "The political course of the country would be foremost in people's minds. And this movie could be part of that dialogue. So we decided that the timing would be best served now." It's interesting how liberals worry that the movie may make pro-Bush forces angrier and thus help McCain's chances at the poll. And conservatives worry that the movie will muddy Bush's legacy and thus help Obama's chances at the poll.
How accurate is the movie about George W Bush's life and presidency?
Stone is telling the press that Stanley Weiser's script based the movie primarily on materials in the public domain. But that only means that Stone, who's notoriously cavalier about using exclusively reported material from books and then claiming it's all public domain, didn't bother to buy the movie rights from any of the non-fiction authors (which would have been the incredibly expensive but also legally proper thing to do). Production insiders tell me that the key sources for the screenplay and film were all these books: Plan of Attack, Bush at War, and State of Denial by Washington Post investigative journalist Bob Woodward; The Price of Loyalty and The One Percent Doctrine by the former senior national affairs writer for the Wall Street Journal, Ron Suskind; The Family: The Real Story Of The Bush Dynasty by the queen of the unauthorized celebrity biography Kitty Kelley; Fortunate Son by paroled felon J.H. Hatfield (the book was eventually recalled by its first publisher and the author committed suicide); The Faith of George W. Bush by former Washington Post feature writer and biographer Stephen Mansfield; Oil, Power and Empire by the long-time correspondent for the Revolutionary Worker communist newspaper Larry Everest; First Son by Texas journalist and University Of Texas journalism professor Bill Minutaglio; A Charge to Keep written under George W. Bush's name by ghostwriter Michael Herskowitz; State of War by New York Times intelligence beat reporter James Risen; Hubris by liberal The Nation columnist David Corn and Newsweek correspondent Michael Isikoff; and The Greatest Story Ever Sold by New York Times liberal columnist Frank Rich.
Did Barbara Streisand have anything to do with the casting of her husband's son, Josh Brolin?
Nothing.
Is the People's Republic Of China really an investor in the motion picture?
Karl Rove recently criticized W. as being financed by "suspect Chinese investors". The truth is that the film's U.S. producer QED International found financing and marketing money from companies in Switzerland, France, Germany, Australia, and Hong Kong as well as the United States. (For instance, the state and cities of Louisiana gave the film deep tax rebates and hefty financial incentives to shoot there.) But what Rove seems to be referring to is the involvement of the flamboyant and controversial Hong Kong businessman Albert Yeung Sau Shing. He began his Emperor Entertainment Group in 1986, well before Hong Kong transferred to the People's Republic Of China in 1997. EEG was incorporated in 1999 and listed on the GEM of The Stock Exchange of Hong Kong in December 2000. The Group is principally engaged in music production and distribution, artist management and event production, and its Emperor Motion Picture Group is mainly engaged in film and television production and distribution, and has a joint movie venture with Jackie Chan among other Hong Kong film stars. I'm told that Emperor paid less than $5 million for W. but that also included payment for the distribution rights for China, Hong Kong and Macau. "I've always admired Oliver Stone's work. I'm very excited to work with him this time," Yeung was quoted as saying at the time of his W. investment.
It's certainly correct to say that Yeung is a "suspect" character since he has been the target of several investigations by Hong Kong's Independent Commission Against Corruption for his alleged connections to Asian organized crime. He also has been arrested, jailed, involved in a series of high-profile court cases spanning a 20-year period, but also cleared of crimes. Yeung himself has said all these charges stem from enemies "jealous" over his business success. But Yeung's actual ties to the People's Republic Of China are said to be no more and no less than those of most successful Hong Kong businessmen straddling the communist and capitalist worlds where they do business. So it seems ridiculous for anyone to seize on some Oliver Stone-worthy conspiracy theory that the communist government there is out to "get" GWB through this movie. Besides, as America's envoy to the People's Republic during the Ford administration, Dubya's father George H.W. Bush played a major role in encouraging better relations between Beijing and Washington DC. And under George W. Bush, U.S.-China relations have been mostly friendly, and criticism over human rights mostly restrained.
I do hope it stink and bomb at the B.O
Isn’t enough we had 8 yrs of him and losing our homes and our economy and now we are going to watch him on the big screen paying additional 10 dollars?
Are we really-really THAT stupid Americans?
If it is true it’s funded by the PRC, then good for them. They can watch it and laugh at so called ‘World Leader’.
Heck! Maybe they would not make a pirated copies of this movie, print the blue-ray dvds n give it to their people for free…to spread the message of ‘How to trick the world into thinking you can do the job and then failed miserably’.
That should have been the title of the movie.
How can you steal information about a PUBLIC figure?
Please,
Ollie would take money from Osama Bin Laden if it meant he could do a film to malign the Republicans. Forget the conspiracy theories. They are all true.
I FOR ONE CAN’T WAIT TO SEE W. I THINK IT LOOKS AWESOME. OLIVER STONE HAS MADE SOME REALLY GOOD FILMS. THE WTC MOVIE WAS GOOD. AND BROLIN IS GOOD TOO.
I THINK IT WILL MAKE GOOD MONEY CAUSE IT IS ABOUT CURRENT EVENTS THAT PEOPLE REMEMBER, Y’KNOW? EVERYONE REMEMBERS THE FOOL ME ONCE INCIDENT. HAHA.
ANYWAY, I THINK IT LOOKS LIKE PURE AWESOMENESS!
Okay, let me just start this thread off by reminding people that the Chinese Government OWNS AMERICA to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars in Fed bonds, debt, etc. (Thanks to both Bubba, W and their respective dynasties.) So to get snarky about partially funding a dopey little movie is senseless. BTW, I think Nixon was a brilliant movie. Ol’ Ollie shocked me with that one, especially Sir Tony’s portrayal of a man I deeply hated. I did NOT end up liking Milhouse, but I truly saw him in a different light.
I saw the movie this last weekend at the Directors Guild and thought it had terrific performances, but overall I thought it a tad light. I was expecting more, not that I wanted it to be ruthless in it’s representation of the man, just that I wanted it to be more insightful. I could get as much from a show on him on the Biography channel… and I was a little dumbfounded in regard to Ms Rice’s character, why was it that every time she opened her mouth the audience laughed, was it meant to be that way? If it was intentional then bravo. If not then, eh?, ah?, hmmm??
My son lives in Beijing, he tells me he can no longer get DHD there. What would be the reason? How has your blog become a threat to the Chinese?
Oliver Stone makes amazing films, and even having to put my political beliefs aside, i am going to see this film. This crack pot so-called journalist “Nikki Finke” twists everything to get people to come to her site…. Bravo to Stone, I heard that its very fair and even depiction of Bush.
If you’re going to post opinions on public spaces, learn proper grammar people.
I saw W, and found it very entertaining……
If Oliver Stone ends up on an episode of CSI, we know who did it.
To Huh–I’m not sure about the circumstance here so I can’t say if this is the case, but there are a lot of possibilities. It could rip off dialogue, for example.
It will BOMB big time. See any recent movie based in “reality” for the reasoning.
Oliver Stone is in all of your heads. As long as the conversation is about him, It Certainly isn’t about any of you.
Is there anyone who doesn’t think the timing of the release of this movie was done to make the Republicans look at bad as possible?
Whereas Wag the Dog was released after Clinton had already won a second term.
And how come there’s been no Monica Lewinsky movie? You would think the material would be irresistible.
As for the current banking crisis, five years ago the Republicans tried to rein in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and the Dems voted it down.
Meanwhile Dems have been running those institutions for decades. We had Franklin Raines, who is Barrack Obama’s economic advisor and Bill Clinton’s budget director, make millions as the CEO of Fannie Mae from 1999-2004, and Roger Mudd’s kid as president and CEO finally ruin the institution and was forced out. And on the Freddie Mac side we had Richard F. Syron, who was Paul Voker’s assistant during the Jimmy Carter years, check out with millions while destroying that organization.
But, of course, this is all George Bush’s fault. So let’s make fun of him in an Oliver Stone movie while at the same time try to get more Democrats in office so they can ruin the economy even more.
Personally, I’m looking forward to it and actually think that despite Stone’s previous outings, this won’t turn out to be as controversial a film á la JFK as most seem to expect.
Josh Brolin is an awesome actor and I’ll always hold a torch for Stone because of Natural Born Killers (awesome movie!).
I do think there is nothing funny about Bush– he was a liar, a crook and a murderer. But maybe I’ll go watch W and be happy that he’s gonna be out of the White House soon.
I’m looking forward to “W.” It looks like an epic tragic comedy, which is really the only way to tell the story of George W. Bush.
get ‘em Nikki!
get those liberals makin’ fun of W with their dirty Chinese money! I’m with you, Nikki!
you don’t take it from those liberals!
You took it to the only black owned studio in the country too!
You are so cool, Nikki.
DIABLO, PLEASE STOP YELLING.
I think this film looks excellent. Brolin nailed it.
“Due diligence” for reporters. It’s a good thing.
Well done. Especially in reference to the prickly issue of perquisites of copyright material vs. public figures.
Remember the name of the “script” from Mamet’s “Speed the Plow?”
It’s title : “Public Domain.”
It’s nice that someone still makes movies for adults.
Thanks for a (surprisingly) even handed and non-judgemental piece. it was refreshing.
love this piece. Nikki terrific reporting. Now it all depends what films W is up against this weekend.
I actually think this is going to come in on the high end of the Iraq/terrorism movies and will do better than Body of Lies. Perhaps in the domain of a $15-16 mil opening. The trailers and commercials have been pretty damn good and seem to play well to audiences in the theater.
Also there is a market for presidential parody and current events humor right now (as opposed to self-important Iraq/terrorism dramas), just look at the ratings when Tina Fey is on SNL (then everyone turns it off after the first ten minutes) and the strong performance of You Don’t Mess with the Zohan a few months ago (despite miserable reviews and a fishy concept).
I just wanted to say great article Nikki!
Hmmmm.
@ Mr. Chow
“BTW, I think Nixon was a brilliant movie. Ol’ Ollie shocked me with that one, especially Sir Tony’s portrayal of a man I deeply hated. I did NOT end up liking Milhouse, but I truly saw him in a different light.”
You realize that practically nothing in “Nixon” was actually true. Right?
Probably safer to comment on the WAY this article was written as opposed to commenting the lack of substance of the latest Stone flop, great job, Nik! I’m sure this will be an incredibly accurate and deep, meaningful film, like all the other “gems” this second tier writer/director would have us suffer through. Your’re a sad panderer, Stone.
W will probably have a fair weekend. I noticed nobody is calling ‘W’ a docu-drama. Next weekend High School Musical 3 comes out, and it’s the furthest movie away from politics, and it will probably blow all competitors out of the water. $$$
This is a movie by Hollywood for Hollywood. As such, it will be considered a huge success and an important film, despite the fact that no one will pay money to see it.
The list of source material is rather staggering. The movie has train wreck written all over it, but the curious will probably flock the first weekend. I’m betting that the DVD will be out just in time for Christmas.
what are these pathetic liberals going to do without george bush? and who would want to be married to barbara streisand? YUCK!!
After reading the names of all the the writers and books that Ollie supposedly “borrowed” from the first thing that comes to mind is “they don’t have a biased agenda do they?”. Come on the Revoluntary People’s Newspaper? A guy who wrote a book, a book his editors withdrew (why?) and then commits suicide. What wonderful source material.
I already know the president is a idiot and our government is corrupt and I didn’t even have to see the movie!
I will be going to W, but I will buy a ticket to American Carol. Thank God for the Multiplex.
Hey Stone, Hey Stone investors… how you like that?
this movie will rock, only because W is the single most awesomest totally coolest President in US history. I wish we had 4 more years with W.
they’ll never make an obama movie…..hahaah.
As if hollywood is a good example of proper behavior or good judgement of any kind. Those baffoons are indeed the ones to point out others faults. priceless
There’s is no way a director could capture all of Bush’s failures in 129 minutes.
At worst, Bush was terrible. At best, he had tremendously bad luck with everything.
Oliver Stone imagines himself to be a “historian” when all he actually does is be a “teller of fables.” I will not waste my money on his trash that he calls historical movies.
Stone couldn’t even make a movie about The Doors without making crap up. Hired to “advise” him, the band ended up walking off the set in anger. Stone is a compulsive liar.
Oliver has not made a non-fiction film yet. Every film was made from his twisted mind. As a black hole, no rational thought escapes.
He is actually on the Republican payroll. Progressives appear small as they sip from his empty cup.
He makes people feel comfortable with their prejudices against rationality, and sober thought.
Please avoid gushing for this lackluster trivial film maker.
Natural Born Killers a testament to what?
He cheapens life.
Stone and the libs stink
God Bless George Bush
I wonder if Ollie will ever make a true biography of anyone. For ‘W’ he didn’t even use family members for facts or fact checking! He appeals to all the drop-outs in this country who don’t know any better or can’t afford to go to a movie..
Let’s see, we have a movie about a president who is loathed by the left, a group who can’t wait for Bush’s term to end. Are they going to spend money watching the cause of eight years of pure unadulterated hatred? Nope.
And then we have the other side of the aisle, the people who support Bush. Are they going to pay to see another Hollywood hit piece on a Republican? Nope.
So, to answer the question as to how will this movie do at the box office? Another Hollywood bomb is the answer.
People laugh at Thandie Newton as Condi Rice because people laugh at Condi Rice. Talk about a Republican woman the Dems salivate about running for public office. An admissions provost was her main credential in the paying job marketplace. And her defense of Bush (always admirable to support your boss) is cringe-worthy, especially the criminal behavior.
People with the ability to process logical thought will not waste their time with this movie. It will tank.
Ever since Stone’s horrible movie “The Doors” I won’t go see anything he does. He’s a second rate director and an oppourtunist. He needs to go back to film school.
So Oliver Stone makes a movie about George Bush, starring Josh Brolin, whose father played Reagan in another anti-republican movie. What an ingenious idea! Is Hollywood stupidly predictable, or what?
Like him or not, he is the President of the United States. What has successfully been done the last 8 years by the media and hollywood to belittle the President will make future Presidents less able to command the respect that goes with the office. The office has been marganilized and we will soon see the dangers that come with that loss of respect I fear.
Oliver Stone making a movie about GWB is like Rush Limbaugh making a movie about Bill Clinton. It is about as likely to be fair and balanced.
Stone is a joke and so is this ‘movie’. Dan Zee, you called it perfectly. The Jackass Party created this affirmative action mortgage mess and Hollywood still doesn’t get it, and never will. And don’t forget that Clinton created Enron, Worldcom, and the dotcom meltdown in 2000. History will celebrate W’s courage and Hussein Obama will get crushed simply because the wisdom of the American people will speak loudly in November. It’s about Joe The Plumber, Stupid.
I saw a sneak preview of this movie and it SUCKS!! Don’t waste your money.
This is a movie made for a self congratulatory circle jerk of liberal Hollywood types who think they are Americans. They are really under educated narcissists living out their fantasies with a bunch of smug co-dependent losers.
I will say a prayer for them and put a couple of extra bucks on the plate this Sunday at church and call it even.
Why would anyone in their right mind be interested in what Oliver Stone or Hollywood have to say about GWB? It’s not like they actually know anything about the subject is it? Isn’t it about the most predictable fable you could imagine?
Losers!
It’s stated that this movie is “based on a true story”….what a bunch of crap. This movie is based on Oliver Stone’s warped sense of reality. If Stone wants to make a documentary, then make one. Instead he makes his version of history. There’s a whole generation that believes JFK happened the way Stone says….how sad.
History is history….Fiction is FICTION….Stone makes FICTION.
How can you steal information from a public figure? That is the single dumbest comment i have read all morning. You cannot just take credit for something someone else wrote in a book or in a speech (just ask Joe biden, he had to bow out of the 1988 election for doing such a thing).
Facts are not protected by copyright. The selection and arrangement of facts can have copyright protection. The greater the number of sources used, the less likely it seems that the selection and arrangement of facts infringes on a given source. Securing film rights to every book sounds nuts to me.
“W” will do for Josh Brolin what “Gable and Lombard” did for his dad.
I’m sure it will tank just like all the other liberal conspiracy theory movies did. I thought Hollywood told you losers to stop making these crap movies. The real problem is that Hollywood is completely bankrupt on any original ideas. They’ve pretty much given themselves to sequels and remakes of Japanese movies at this time.
Of course this movie will tank. The only people that would watch it are democrats and most of them will just steal it off the internet. I say good. Stone lied about what soldiers did in ‘Nam and cause generations of people to look down on our soldiers. Unfortunately, he won’t go broke from this since he doesn’t even have the balls to put up his own money. Heck, even his mother doesn’t like him and calls him “venomous.”
For a Hollywood blog, most of the commentators seem to really hate Hollywood. Is Free Republic still nesting here?
Why are you folks trying so hard to destroy a good man. Mr. Bush went to D.C. out of love for country not to get rich. I understand opposition to war because nobody likes war except those that seem to start them and Mr. Bush did not start a war. A leader will often make choices that others do not like but that doesn’t make the leader dumb it makes them a leader. I for one thank Mr. Bush for his service and I wish him and America all the best!!
The damning thing for the flick is that no one close to “W” was interviewed. Not one in his administration, not one family member. Stone based his “fiction” on reports that one, are already available, and two are mostly written by people with their own agenda. Stone is supporting Obama. He supported Kerry. He supported Gore and so on. If anyone believes that this is anything more than a hit job on McCain, trying to tie him to Bush right before the election, you deserve to waste $10 on this rag!
Runyon is right on. The presidency has been marginlized and now when we need leadership we cannot have it because you Bush hating Democrats have marginalized him. You should all be ashamed of yourselves. Give it up! The malignant hatred you have for Bush is not healthy for you. Grandma Lucy
President Bush has protected all you left wing ungrateful scumbag rears for 7 years after the worst attack ever. The left wing hacks also attacked Ronald Reagan and history has shown him as one of the most beloved Presidents ever.
You all make me sick.
I wonder why Oliver Stone has never done a movie on Bill Clinton. There is tons of material there for a really juicy movie. Since Oliver wants to psychoanalyze George Bush and his relationship with his father, perhaps he could psychoanalyze Clinton and his relationship with his mother. There are all kinds of scandals, Waco, Monica, sex addiction, etc. that would give lots of material to Mr. Stone.
Do you think we’ll ever see an Oliver Stone movie about Clinton? I won’t hold my breath. I doubt if he’d want to be-smirch his hero in a movie, and he certainly didn’t do it while he was still in office. Mr. Stone’s agenda with “W” is quite clear.
I had planned to go see An American Carol this evening with my wife, but the local theater (in a very conservative area) has the last showing scheduled for 2PM this afternoon. The Schedule for Saturday is the same and on Sunday there is only one scheduled showing at 2:00 PM. I wonder if this is being done to make it appear that W was a bigger draw this weekend by denying folks the opportunity to see the “conservative” comedy they want to see? Fortunately, a theater just up the road (in a more liberal area) will have the movie playing on what appears to be a regular schedule…I have already ordered my tickets (in case they sell out!).
It will bomb just like all of stones fantasy. You ungrateful a$$wraps, I just hope the next President keeps my family safe (and yours) as GWB has. Get a life, go waste your money on this bomb. Vote for McCain/Palin for more of the same, yes more of the same instead of communism.
Stone is a douche plain and simple.
Would not waist my time or money on this POS movie, not going to spend 1 more dollar supporting the Hollyweird culture. Stone can kiss my azz
Can’t wait till Stone make a movie about President McCain
I wonder if this is being done to make it appear that W was a bigger draw this weekend by denying folks the opportunity to see the “conservative” comedy they want to see?
My guess is that it will do far, far better than An America Carol did.
Of course it’s hard to do worse.
Last Monday it only made $89 per screen.
I just got home from seeing the film. Oliver Stone did a great job directing “W”. I wonder where my head was at voting for him twice. I’m now going to vote for Obama.
Bush never ever had a vision for this country, or an end to the Iraq war. McCain would really be more of the same. I’m not a liberal, just someone who wants a change.
Hey fly -
Bush has “kept us safe” – except for that incident 7 years ago that got us here.
Call a spade a spade. You can’t have it both ways…
I could be wrong, but I can’t imagine who would want to see this movie. I dislike George Bush and can’t even stand watching him on the news, why would I want to watch a movie about him – even if it’s making fun of him. And obviously pro-Bush people won’t see it. On the other hand, even though I generally like Michael Moore’s documentaries, I do plan on seeing An American Carol – simply because it looks more entertaining. I just wish it was playing at more theatres (An American Carol – Not W).
I understand that the events surrounding 9/11 are not included in the movie. If this is true, I find it an interesting choice by Stone as they were a touchstone for how/where Bush took our country for the next eight years. Perhaps this was because Stone felt 9/11 might be too “controversial”. Whatever the reasons, I am interested to know what they are/were.
Yawn, I’d rather stay home and clean the toilet than waste good money on an O. Stone movie.
Stone, who’s notoriously cavalier about using exclusively reported material from books and then claiming it’s all public domain, didn’t bother to buy the movie rights from any of the non-fiction authors (which would have been the incredibly expensive but also legally proper thing to do).
Is it the “legally proper” thing to do? Or is it only the “customary” thing to do?
You can’t copyright facts, so why should a screenwriter “buy” facts, even if they’re “exclusively reported”?
Copying fiction is infringement. Copying facts is research.
I saw it yesterday. Josh Brolin is stunning as GWB,
an Oscar worthy performance. Richard Dreyfuss as Cheney is chilling and dead on. Ditto all the principal players. It doesn’t slam GWB – he comes across as a decent, well intentioned fellow but not smart enough to grasp the consequences of what he decides. Highly recommended.
Terrific film! Very well done and got the point across that W was totally unprepared and igornant to be POTUS, plus he was not the brightest light in the forest.