EXCLUSIVE: It takes a lot to shock me when it comes to Hollywood business. But this is lunacy. I’ve confirmed that Lionsgate execs are calling Hollywood agencies looking for a showrunner to replace Matthew Weiner, the brilliant creator of Mad Men. The reason is that they think Weiner’s agents at CAA are asking for too much money for him. I hear CAA wants a multi-year deal that pays Weiner $10 million a year. (As opposed to what people tell me is the $2.5 million he should probably pocket…) Plus he wants control over promotion and advertising. Now that’s consistent with a big hit on pay cable and what Darren Star or David Chase made on HBO.
But it’s way, way rich for a Lionsgate show on AMC, and execs are telling CAA it can’t pay that. “The ‘ask’ was insanity,” one insider tells me. “It’s preposterous. AMC is a basic cable network. The economics don’t support this. It’s why Lionsgate is throwing their arms up in the air. And, remember, they got a two-year pickup for the show with or without Matt Weiner.” So Lionsgate picked up the phone and began asking the tenpercenteries for a “general list” of possible showrunners, and about the availability of specific names (like Aaron Sorkin). The agents’ reactions were exactly like mine: are these suits NUTS?
Of course, no one decent would ever trample on Weiner’s toes unless he blessed it. But this is also the surest way to fuck up the first basic cable program to ever win the Emmy for best drama. And let’s not forget that the AMC show ended its 2nd season Sunday with record ratings. Sunday’s finale averaged 1.75 million total viewers for its 10 PM airing, an 89% improvement over the first-season finale’s 926,000. Compared with Season 1, Mad Men 2.0 saw a 63% increase in total viewers (an average of 1.5 million viewers vs. 925,000), a 109% jump in the adults 18-49 demo (705,000 vs. 338,000) and an 81% increase in adults 25-54 (780,000 vs. 430,000). Those still aren’t great numbers even if every thinking person loves the series. When I asked a Lionsgate source about this situation, I was told, “We’re negotiating with Matthew Weiner. But we want him back…” Then why do this? My bet is it’s a reaction to having Carl Icahn crawling up Jon Feltheimer’s ass.
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i will be on suicide watch if ANYONE besides weiner is running that show.
this all sounds like dick swingin’. once both parties determine either who’s got the biggest or, more than likely, they’re both the same size, they’ll settle. weiner should ask for millions. that show put AMC on the map.
I totally agree. Take a perfect storm, and rather than run with it, nurture it, and grow it . . . just fuck it up by replacing the guy who made it happen and brought it to life.
That said, Nicki, you sure you’re not being played as a negotiating ploy by Lionsgate here? Doesn’t matter who tipped you (presumably someone inside CAA) – Lionsgate knew it’d get out…
I think they’re both being outrageous as part of the negotiation process. Both sides start by demanding too much of the other, then they argue, scream, threaten, and then come up with a reasonable number.
The only time a problem arises is when one side takes the outrage too seriously, and personally, and it goes from a negotiation to a vendetta.
Lionsgate has a billion dollar franchise (SAW) and going strong and they can’t give Mr. Weiner the $10 mil?
W.O.W. Daft punks — no doubt about it. MAD MEN has brought them acclaim and prestige which they can finagle into various other revenue streams and they can’t see this as an investment…?!!
Oh, I forgot — the guy’s just the show’s HEAD WRITER and EXECUTIVE PRODUCER. No one, really, in the scheme of things. Morons…
Nikki, we don’t always agree but you’re dead right on this one. Replacing Weiner, who is clearly a genius, would be insane. Just making the list of possible showrunners is hilarious.
However, I doubt they are seriously considering replacing him, it’s probably a brinksmanship maneuver with CAA to let them know that the offer they made would never work….
Ah, dealmaking. what joy, what joy…
Why is it that Hollywood can’t figure out that the person who created the show should stay with the show and that they deserve (basically) pretty much what they ask for?
How many shows have we seen get taken over by someone else and then utterly fail creatively? Too many.
Bleah.
They need to give Weiner the most they can possibly afford. MAD MEN is just too good to lose to less-capable hands.
If he’s really looking for $10 million per year then they should tell him he’s lost his mind. The finances of a hit network show don’t support those numbers no less a marginally rated cable show. Greed is not good.
It’s a great show and I saw every episode this season (and the finale wasn’t great), but the ratings are minor… this is no sopranos and the agents are nuts in their ask for weiner.
Well he shouldn’t be so greedy…10 million a year at AMC…yeah right!
It’s also a shame the show can’t be moved to HBO, it would do so much better in the ratings. But AMC won’t and should not lose this now, afterall they believed in the show when no one else did. And Matt should remember that…
I for one will never again watch anything on AMC if they mess with Matt Weiner. Hopefully it is just a negotiating ploy and they will come to their senses and give Matt what he deserves for creating the best show on television.
Without a doubt Weiner has created a fantastic show but for CAA to ask for so much dosh is just crazy. The show is good, but it’s not that good. If this is the gun put to Lionsgate’s head, they are right to walk away.
Mad Men is a brilliant show that garners very low ratings, even by basic cable standards. While its creator should certainly be rewarded for creative success, the fact is that the ratings barely support even getting picked up let alone giving out huge raises . I hope Weiner stays with the show and realizes that a creative gem with terrible ratings on a tiny cable network isn’t going to be his big pay day. He should guide the show through another couple of seasons and then take a massive overall deal somewhere where he can develop for networks that get the kinds of numbers that can support his ask.
Sorry, but ten million a year is nuts. What’s the justification here? I’m betting David Chase didn’t pick up that much dough in his third season.
Neither the show nor Weiner are worth that much money Nikki.
Look at this way — basic economics are that consumers are pressed, don’t have much money, and will curtail spending wherever they can. Basic cable will likely be the last cut, but it will be cut unless there’s a huge hit.
A paltry 2 million viewers are not it. If the show was pulling in 4-5 million maybe it’s worth fighting over. But let’s be honest — you Nikki are not most consumers. Nor am I or anyone else here.
The economics of a prolonged recession means that niche shows have to be done dirt cheap, no matter how much publicity they get. Hits can pay for expensive talent.
Look at what CBS and NBC are doing — as much broad, 4 quadrant shows as possible. People will cut back on entertainment, and broadly accessible TV shows are the future. Sopranos, Shield, and yes Mad Men are the past.
This is agenting insanity. How can a Basic Cable network pay that kind of money. Even a network wouldn’t. Taking into account that AMC was the only one to give it life, they owe each other for the success.
Is even $5MM insulting?
Greed is good?
CAA’s demands on this one are outrageous as anyone who works in basic cable can attest to. And the POV that its Lionsgate screwing this one up is so obviously slanted towards the creative side. Its bad business. You are talking about a great show that gets OK ratings (nowhere near a David Chase or Darren Starr show) at an ad supported, evolving network that gets little ratings halo from Mad Men. Also, why should the stellar award winning marketing team from Lionsgate get dictated to from someone with no marketing experience? Also, moving money from the Saw franchise to pay for this deal speaks to a naivete that makes me cringe. And no, I don’t work at Lionsgate.
btw, $10mm/year is NOT outrageous. the economics have NOTHING to do with the ratings the show gets in its domestic first run. this thing is going to be a long term, global monster in syndication IF they do it right for at least another 2 (and preferably 3) seasons. $10mm/year for matt will seem like chump change to Lionsgate – and the rest of us – when the syndie money starts flowing in….
By the way, just emailed my agent to say that if they can’t get the dough for Matt, I’ll take the show, and the blame, for half that amount. Okay, one third. A tenth and I’m in!
1.75 million viewers for a season finale, and the star gets to host SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE?
Don’t get me wrong, Jon Hamm did a great job, but… STARGATE: ATLANTIS gets more viewers than MAD MEN. Let DAVID HEWLETT host SNL already! He’d be just as good if not better.
lionsgate is crazy weiner deserves every penny and more!!!!!!!!!! this is the best show i have ever seen on tv cable or no cable even surpassing the sopranos which i loved !!!!!!!!!!!! breaking bad is great too but mad men is the perfect bergman piece !!!!!!
I’ve met Matt and he has fought tooth and nail for this baby. He SHOULD get paid alot to keep on it. After all, it put AMC on the map as a network. Regardless of small ratings, just HOW MUCH extra cash have they made in advertising revenue from this? And Lionsgate should go after some of that if they are crying poverty – after making a zillion dollars yet again on SAW [insert number] that is. Perhaps $10M a year is high (thanks CAA!) but somewhere in that 7-fig territory has got to be possible.
Love the show, think Weiner is amazing, period. But $10M/year to run a show that does 1.75 million viewers on a good day is a crazy CAA ask.(Not that they haven’t asked for crazy $$$ before.)
Level heads need to do the math and pay him what he’s worth, but get real. (or is this just a sign that bonuses at CAA are going to be miserly this year?)
Can we all discuss casting directors. Wow! I have dealt with casting directors for almost 20 years. What is mind boggling is the power they have that goes wasted. In today’s climate casting directors only see either people they know or those who suck their balls (that goes for the woman too.) It’s a shame. They have the opportunity to discover talent and I find the fastest way to get new talent into auditions is to go around the casting director straight to the director. Sad but true. Long gone are the days where casting directors were looked at as an important part of the creative process. Today the are treated and garbage and it seems to be their own fault. I have worked with some of the top talent in the game today. I cannot point to one that was discovered by a casting director. Why? Because if it was up to casting they would never be seen. Hmm.