The AMPTP today sent the following message to its employers:
“We are disappointed to report that the federal mediation efforts between SAG and AMPTP failed in the early morning hours of Saturday, November 22nd, when mediator Juan Carlos Gonzalez ended the process.
“The mediation failed for one fundamental reason: SAG continued unrealistically to insist on a substantially better deal than all of the other major Hollywood Guilds and Unions have negotiated so far in 2008.
In the end, it was clear that SAG was not serious about using the mediation process to make a deal. Instead, SAG appears to have manipulated the mediation process in an attempt to achieve precisely the result it has wanted all along: A strike by SAG members.
“SAG has not justified why it deserves to be treated differently than the industry’s other Guilds and Unions – particularly at a time of extraordinary economic distress for both the country and the entertainment business. SAG refuses to deviate from its unrealistic position, even continuing to cling to its proposal to change the DVD residual formula.
“AMPTP has already negotiated six major labor agreements in 2008 alone, including the pact just concluded with IATSE. We are prepared to conclude an agreement with SAG, but we simply do not see any justification for SAG receiving more than we have offered – a deal that is every bit as good as the ones the industry’s other Guilds and Unions have negotiated in far better economic times.
“AMPTP’s offer to SAG members is fair and strong – and at least until now, we have kept the offer on the table despite the precipitous economic decline of the last several months. Whether we will be able to continue to do so in the face of the economic downturn remains to be seen. We are now prepared to continue explaining the merits of our offer in every way that we possibly can. The more SAG members understand about the fairness and strength of our offer, especially during a time of historic economic distress, the less likely they will be to authorize a strike.
“We will also continue to place the burden squarely on SAG to explain why it deserves better deals than the other entertainment Guilds received earlier this year — particularly in light of the fact that the earlier deals were negotiated during better economic times, and SAG is attempting to reach a deal now during a period of tremendous economic upheaval.
“Finally, and most importantly, SAG should understand that a strike would be economically devastating to the entire industry, including its own members, as well as to the overall economy. The unreal timing of the call by SAG for a strike in the midst of one of the worst economic crisis the global system has ever faced, demonstrates once and for all that SAG is completely out of touch with reality. A SAG strike in this financial meltdown would be like pouring gasoline on a fire, and it is astonishing that SAG would call for a strike vote when the rest of the country is reeling from an unprecedented financial crisis.
“Make no mistake about this: If SAG members authorize a strike, then a strike is all but guaranteed because SAG has shown no willingness to compromise on its unrealistic demands. Simply put, a vote to authorize a strike will lead inexorably to a strike, and a strike would cost SAG members far more than they can ever expect to gain.
“In short, over the coming days and weeks, AMPTP will continue vigorously to communicate our fundamental position: The six other labor agreements Producers have made this year couple significant economic gains with groundbreaking new media rights. The new media template simply cannot be abandoned at this point because it will undermine our industry’s ability to compete in this new market. The bottom line is clear: No strike authorization – and no strike – can change these basic facts.
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Basically, the AMPTP’s position is that they ran over the other unions, so they should run over SAG?
Now I am not on the studios side never have been, but right now simply isn’t the time to strike. Right now people should be thankful they have jobs and are able to do what they love and get paid for it.
Granted SAG doesn’t want to strike, because if they did they already would have done it last summer.
Granted were only hearing one side of the story the studios right now, like they always tell the truth *LAUGH*
Still SAG didn’t handle this situation the best, and had too much inner fighting going on, and wasted their energy on such drama. Instead of dealing with the studios.
My theory is wait until March/April the end of television season then full on strike. Maybe get the WGA out there with you, because of the studios not honoring their contracts. By then the economy is bouncing back *hopefully* and you will get the public’s sympathy on this.
What I don’t get is why the actors WANT TO BE IN STRIKE AT THE TIME OF THE OSCARS, AND THE GLOBES…. I GUESS THEY WERE WAITING FOR THEIR MOMENT…. WILL SEE WHO WINS AT THE END
Can’t the WGA strike with SAG now that the studios have broken the MBA?
Just a side note on all this:
Why doesn’t the DGA ever get into these skirmishes?
Because the DGA is the model for the AMPTP as far a unions go. And no it’s not because they are smarter than other unions.
The DGA is controlled by a small, elite group of members who instill fear and envy in all those beneath them. Because directors hire all those other below the line, everyone is whipped into by fear.
Those st the top get the big bucks and everyone else get the shaft. And if you complain, you don’t work. Period.
Hey AMPTP, this might help:
ne·go·ti·ate (\ni-?g?-sh?-??t, ÷-s?-\)
intransitive verb
: to confer with another so as to arrive at the settlement of some matter
transitive verb
1 a: to deal with (some matter or affair that requires ability for its successful handling) : manage b: to arrange for or bring about through conference, discussion, and compromise (emphasis added)
Source: © 2008 Merriam-Webster, Incorporated
Thanks for playing.
Didn’t we just finish 8 years of being lead by fear? The producers have to come up with a new dog and pony show. We just fought for change in our government, do they really think we’re not going to fight for changes in our income too?
united we stand divided we fall. The nature of these unions are divide.
We need an umbrella union to rep all the unions and only as one creative power do we fight, demand and strike.
I would love to vote to strike against these fuckers but I can’t. too many good people will suffer and what did the writer’s strike give us? was it worth it?
As when a military defensive is failing, we need to retreat, regroup, retrain, restrategize and come back stronger or we hurt ourselves and our loved ones in this industry more than our enemy.
Don’t those so called SAG “moderates” feel stupid now!
The AMPTP will never negotiate in good faith. Rosenberg et al. had a good strategy with dealing with them — by acting strong. They would have gotten the deal of all deals. But AFTRA undercut them with a rotten deal that got rid of ALL RESIDUALS (work on an aftra 1 hour yet? You’re in for a treat!) and the Mike Farrell contingent of SAG poo-poo’ed Rosenberg for wanting dual members to scuttle the deal.
SAG membership — you pussed out and didn’t back your leaders. Now you’re about to receive the mother of all screwings.
Wow. They’re actually getting worse at their statements since our strike.
“In the end, it was clear that SAG was not serious about using the mediation process to make a deal.”
Followed two paragraphs later by:
“…we simply do not see any justification for SAG receiving more than we have offered…”
So, SAG showed themselves to not be ‘serious’ about the mediation process by actually expecting the AMPTP to negotiate as part of it?
These are evil little fucks, SAG. Look at what they are already doing to us as far as not paying what they agreed to pay. Go get ‘em.
By the way, just what the hell use is a federal mediator? Can someone explain to me this monumental waste of time?
To Get Real, I have got some news for you. Actors only make up about 10% of the AFTRA. The rest are Local and National TV and Radio Personalities and Syndicated or network talk or game show hosts with a few minor exceptions.
Also, to those of you that believe that only 35% of WGA membership voted for the deal the ended the strike, I am guessing that the strike affected about 35% of the membership. Guess what, WGA membership covers more than just scripted network programming and all movies. There are guild members working all over the country for broadcast news organizations as well as all daytime talk shows where the only one that was affected by the strike was Ellen Degeneres’s show. On its own, ESPN employs thousands of writers just to do research for live game broadcasts while others process highlights for Sportscenter.
The best part is that Hollywood “dealmaking moguls” outsource their negotiations to a Nick Counter-type because they can’t actually do real business deals like the ones with SAG and the WGA.
Ironically interesting…in the way that makes short sellers of stocks salivate.
I’m against a SAG strike, but I have to admit that the AMPTP statement reeks of strike fear. The way that statement stumbles over itself in repetition is like barely contained anger or fear. It’s almost despondent.
Despite being against the strike, that statement begins to make a case for giving SAG the authorization to call one. The statements leading up to, and during, the WGA strike were much more emotionally detached – as one would expect them to be. This one is nearly panic-stricken.
I hope SAG doesn’t strike, but I can understand how its confidence in doing so may have increased after reading that statement.
The AMPTP has not been paying the New Media residuals to the WGA and thereby violating a contract. Why? Could it be that they are larger than expected? Could it be that do not want SAG to see those numbers – it would require opening part of their books – so they can continue to plead poverty?
The studios and networks should be ashamed of themselves.
Wow. It’s funny, things had calmed down for a while, and I thought all the empty rhetoric might be a thing of the past.
I can’t describe how much this board looks EXACTLY like it did during the WGA strike.
I guess no one has any interest from learning from the past. What was the old rallying cry? ‘Won’t be fooled again?’ Because of one story lacking detail regarding non-payment of residuals, you’re certain the AMPTP has been twirling their mustaches and plotting the demise of unions? Yeah, you got their number, guys. Change is gonna come.
Get real. If anything, the WGA screwed the pooch by striking early, instead of waiting for the actors. When that happened, it sent a clear message that it was every man for himself, and the DGA let it be known that there are people in Hollywood still interested in working for a living. I know, it’s an outrageous idea, but humor us.
But no, have fun on your picket lines. And please, strike captains, please keep the populist nonsense to a minimum. I know you’re excited to have whistles and cowbells, but some of us are trying to work, please. And a reminder, as so many of your WGA brethren were oblivious, the cops can AND WILL come and tell you to shut up when we’re on location. Thanks, and have fun. See you on the other side.
I’m putting my faith in my union to hold firm. This is the latest attempt by the AMPTP to break the union(s). They’ve already done it with the WGA. Do you see the WGA doing much of anything about their signed contract already being broken? If the WGA really wanted to do something that would have a very real affect on both their union’s future and help SAG and future negotiations, they would call a walkout right now! But, they won’t. The AMPTP figures that since they already got the WGA to wimper, they can get SAG to crawl and beg, then they will no longer have to worry about any entertainment union…ever! It’ll be all over but the memories…
I’m sure that the strike will go forward, and I’ll just have to deal with not seeing this season of Supernatural play out the end. Oh well. I hope SAG gets what they want and that all of the members in the long term end up feeling that the damage its going to inflict now will be worth it in the end. I say that sincerely, I really do hope that a couple of years down the line everyone feels that they’re getting something that was worth all the pain. Actors provide me with a lot of entertainment, so they should go get their money. I’m really not looking forward to seeing American Gladiators resurrected again, though.
DIS 21
TW 8
CBS 5
VIAB 13
GE 15
Billions in profits?
The unions are killing the American auto industry. (You don’t see Toyota/Honda/BMW/Mercedes jetting to DC with hat in hand, yet they employ a growing number of american workers.)
The truncated tv season created by the strike killed nearly all of last seasons scripted shows.
I agree, talent needs their fair share, but at what cost?
And what is a fair share when the corporations that own the production companies are worth a small fraction of their former value? A few decades back, the shares of these entertainment companies were skyrocketing. Doubling, tripling in value. Now, the entire business is on shaky ground. DVD sales are dropping. Attendance is going down. TV ratings are plummeting.
Is it better to kill off the companies altogether so no one works?
Get real, “Get Real” -
AFTRA did not make a “deal that got rid of all residuals.” The AFTRA Primetime (Exhibit A) residual schedule is EXACTLY THE SAME AS SAG’s Primetime.
It is Doug Allen, Alan Rosenberg, and Membership First “leadership” that maneuvered SAG into it’s present lose/lose position. Disaster either way. Congratulations.
Mediation was a gift to UFS – who wanted to give Membership First a chance to settle. The rest of the non-MF coalition would have canned Doug Allen right away.
Yeah – I worked on a “AFTRA one hour” and have qualified for medical and added a pension credit because of it. And if SAG goes on strike, there will be lots more “AFTRA one hours” to work on.
Bottom line – we’e all screwed beyond belief. Tough enough to figure out how to survive this economic climate. A piss-poor strategy by SAG has resulted in a lose-lose scenario. And we will all now pay the price, as studios ramp down production in anticipation even more than they already have.
What a horrible mess. And namecalling and finger pointing isn’t going to help.
SAG is unreasonable. AMPTP is outrageous in their deceit and hyperbole. And everyone is going to lose.
Nice work, dickheads.
@Keven:
Part of me thinks you have it exactly right. Until actors, writers, directors and crew are able to negotiate as a single entity — and threaten work stoppage as a single entity — the producers will always win out, because they’re too big for any single group to successfully challenge.
On the other hand, though? If SAG and AFTRA can’t even hold together as a collective bargaining unit, how could SAG, AFTRA, WGA, DGA, and IATSE possibly cohere? And even if they could come up with a list of demands that every division agreed to, what would happen when the AMPTP agreed to grant them to some but not all (which is likely what would happen)? One of the groups would want to strike. Another group would say, “No, we’ve got what we want, let’s move forward.” Bad blood would start brewing across the guilds, the AMPTP would do everything they could to exploit it, and the situation could get even worse than it is now.
That said, I think the best of all worlds would be if SAG and WGA could have coinciding contract deadlines without being explicitly beholden to one another. (The DGA doesn’t need to be part of the equation, since their strategy seems to be “act like we’ve won no matter what we get.”) AMPTP would be harder-pressed to screw them both at the same time, since a strike by both guilds would be impossible for them to shrug off.
The BOTTOM line:
The threat of a strike has already lopped off about 40% of the staff jobs (with benefits) at my post-production facility. We have all had to take significant cuts in numbers of hours worked. When former employees come to work, they do so with no benefits, hourly pay only, and no job security now or in the future.
Whether or not SAG is getting screwed by AMPTP (not offering an opinion here), not whether the studios are greedy or not, profitable or not, morally bankrupt or not…Actors have a great career when it goes well – good pay, benefits, residuals, free time when they’re not working
Other professionals in the motion picture and television industry:
decent pay, no job security, no residuals…
The potential for a strike is driving me and my co-workers out of this industry, into foreclosure, into bankruptcy.
While I generally support unions and strikes, this IS NOT THE TIME !!
If SAG failed to make a deal when they could, I’m truly sorry, but PLEASE, don’t destroy the lives and livelihood of all of the rest of us in the industry !!!
Can I ask someone who KNOWS to explain this to me about Force Majeure and French hours…
If that is taken out of the SAG contract that means that in the case of work stoppage from strikes or acts of god (like a tornado destroying the set) I could be held INDEFINATELY without pay until the project starts up or the studio releases me? Or I could be held a certain amount of time without pay until the project starts up or the studio releases me – if so, HOW LONG?
And why wouldn’t it be illegal to be prevented from seeking work for extended periods of time without compensation? Am I just supposed to file for unemployment, because they base that off of some previous 12 months base or something, which doesn’t really apply to actors or creatives.
Also, this thing about French hours – I would still be protected by california labor law to get my lunch break at 6 hours in of at least 30 minutes and my two 10 minute breaks during the day, right? Or if not, why wouldn’t that apply? And would that mean that people would shoot more outside california in places with bad labor laws? And the French hour thing, does that apply to all levels of production and everyone on cast and crew? Or would certain people get a normal lunch time still and the rest have to make do? And does that just mean that the craft service is contantly serving up freshly cooked food thorughout the day – or do you get whatever is there whenever you can get away from the set?
And to be clear, the writers, directors, and AFTRA accepted the removal of force majeure, or they never had it? And they have accepted the french hours?
ALSO, What if we just don’t negotiate a new contract for a year or two or three and see what happens, would the AMPTP just shut us out? SAG can enforce its no non-union work in new media rule to its membership as they are planning toon Jan 1, and so studios would still have to abide by SAG rules if they want any SAG talent. If we go ahead under the old contract which at least has force majeure and we get to control our image etc. Is it in our power legally to say we are just going to continue to work under the old contract?
Sure we wouldn’t get residuals from new media (but it’s not like the writers are collecting that now).
If we just say, we are extending our contract for another 2 years, there would be no reason for a de-facto “strike/lockdown” because there is 2 years of safe production. And AMPTP would have to deal with the fact that they could either continue to pretend there is no way to make money in new media and hold up their new media plans or go ahead and then when the contract extension runs out we will see how things have been going for teh DGA and WGA and AFTRA in their payments and ability to earn a living, and what the new media situation is like in general.
And of course we insist to get paid the 60 million in money owed to SAG members.
If we say we want to work under the old contract and the AMPTP says no because they think they can strong arm us into the same bad deal as the other guilds – that would mean they are creating a work stoppage. THEN THEY ARE THE BAD GUYS NO TWO WAYS ABOUT IT – they are the ones shutting down the town and we can sit back and say “what is the problem, we are happy to go to work under a contract which you thought was fair 3 years ago and we think is still better than anything you are currently offering.” As the AMPTP keeps insisting they are offering us raises in pay of sorts – all their “200 million in whatever over the next three years type announcements…” How can they argue if we say we want to work without a raise?
“Can’t the WGA strike with SAG now that the studios have broken the MBA?”
We writers had our strike. Whether you supported it or not, whether you think the deal was a good one or not, it’s been done. We’re done. I didn’t blame the actors who believed in the stand we were taking, but crossed our line and went to work anyway because they were contractually obligated to do so. Hopefully, if the actors do go on strike, they’ll feel the same way toward me.