UPDATES SURPRISE! NBC Will Give Leno 10 PM Slot
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So this morning, NBC finally got around to officially announcing the Jay Leno move to primetime at 10 PM starting Fall 2009. "Do we expect to beat CSI? No," Leno admitted. "Originally I wasn't going to stay at NBC. But I remembered something my parents always told me, 'Whatever I do in life, make sure I come in fourth.' " To which his boss Ben Silverman responded, "You're in the right place." Leno went on to to talk about his reputation for loyalty. "My mother is from Scotland, so we tend to die in the mine. It's nice to be wanted at my age..." Everybody congratulated each other, Jay told more jokes at NBC's expense (but, shockingly, had praise for Jeff Zucker), all while Ben Silverman and Marc Graboff downplayed their or Zucker's accountability for NBC's primetime failure or programming layoffs. "We are thrilled to keep Jay in the family. We've been very focused and very vocal about how we are looking to change how broadcast television looks," Graboff began the press conference. But Leno later quipped, "What they haven't said is that I'll be on right after The Today Show from 8 to 10 PM... I just heard that CBS is putting David Letterman on at 9:59 PM."
Leno explained that this new primetime deal only came together last week. " 'See what the affiliates think. Try it out,' " Leno says he told NBC about stripping his show. "When we came up with it, it happened very quickly," Graboff told reporters. Silverman said keeping Leno helped secure "NBC's comedy brand" -- to which Leno responded, "What Ben means is that NBC barely has 6 hours of programming". Leno said he called Conan O'Brien about it last night. (I hear Leno also picked up the phone yesterday to Disney chief Bob Iger to say sorry but the No. 1 late night host won't be going to ABC.)
More info came out today about the show Leno plans, including that he'll tape in front of a live audience but probably earlier in the day, stay put at NBC's Burbank studio (whereas Conan O'Brien is moving The Tonight Show to the new studio on the Universal lot), and be off the air for just three months instead of the six dictated by the non-compete clause in his existing NBC contract. Estimates are that Leno 2.0 may only cost $2M a week and result in 46 weeks of original shows, compared to the average $3 million per episode pricetag of scripted primetime dramas that air on average 22 original weekly episodes. But the real question is whether the 58-year-old can attract more eyeballs than just the 4.8 million he averages now on The Tonight Show -- measly by primetime standards, especially in the advertiser-coveted 18-to-49 demographic. But Jeff Zucker will try to explain this away by repeating his mantra that he's managing for margins instead of ratings in this lousy economy. Still another issue is how much Leno's new show plans to rely in his tired Tonight Show segments like "Jay Walking" and "Headlines" which have barely been freshened since 1996 when then NBC West Coast head Don Ohlmeyer helped revamp Leno's struggling Tonight Show to take on and beat David Letterman at CBS. (Oh, if only NBC had a programming general like Ohlmeyer now. Instead it has bumbling Ben Silverman in charge...)
Meanwhile, NBC affiliates board chairman Michael Fiorile told Broadcasting & Cable that the beleaguered affiliates asked NBC last summer to give back time and maybe even days and give local content a shot. So he expressed surprise that Jeff Zucker had not brought up the possibility of scaling back network programming sooner. (Fiorile thinks Saturday night seems like a logical place to start...) Among those hurting NBC affiliates, few get a substantial boost from the network’s primetime offerings. Zucker does say the affiliate model is overdue for an upgrade. But despite what Jeff may claim, don't for a minute think the affiliates' first-choice scenario isn't for the network to finally deliver some primetime hits. Failing that, expanded local news or local ballgames might hit a higher number than what currently rolls on the weaker nights, they told B&C. “I’d much rather have NBC give me a program with strong ratings,” says KSHB/KMCI VP/General Manager Craig Allison. “But if that doesn’t happen, I think this does present an opportunity. We’ll take it and make lemonade out of it—we know how to do that.” Now, isn't that a ringing endorsement of Zucker's track record? Sheesh.
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This does seem a short-term fix for NBC. Not sure it’s good for Jay, nor for Conan. Jay’s risking a lot, if he can’t bring in a substantially larger audience. But perhaps Conan may appreciate having Jay as a lead-in of sorts, and not having to compete head-to-head with him if he’d gone to ABC, I suppose, but it still feels like he’s playing second-fiddle to him once again (granted a very well compensated second-fiddle.)
But for NBC in the long-term wouldn’t the next Law and Order or ER be worth more than the money saved by Leno? Those shows (the former especially) are monsters in the syndication market. AND they sell worldwide where they are hits. Leno’s show won’t syndicate, and while maybe it can sell in England and Canada, most markets prefer domestic talk shows. I don’t see how the money saved by putting Leno on right now, makes up for the potential hundreds of millions of dollars lost in future syndication money. (Not to mention a hit show brings new — young — viewers to your network. Leno, while he’s the king of his demographic — does not.)
Five days a week which, for the most part, have been programmed by one hour dramas which typically include ensamble casts. This is a big blow for SAG. There are a lot of potential jobs that just got taken away. Consider that when deciding if now is the time to go on strike.
I enjoy Leno and find him much funnier than the moron Letterman. I also like that this sticks another fork into SAG if the show is on 5 days a week that’s 5 hours less for the expensive drama’s that are becoming untenable with the declining audiences and rising costs.
Nikki,
Your Anti-NBC, Anti-Leno, Anti-Zucker routine is getting OLD. We get it, you don’t like them…move on.
Do the math…at only 2 million per week, the new show WON’T need to get more than the 4.8 million viewers he currently gets to make money.
No more crappy scripted shows…no more residuals, no more WGA, no more SAG…perfect move by NBC. Hey, FOX does it, why can’t NBC?
It might actually be a great move. Every other network is geared to 18-49. Give 49-65 one option, and that’s where they all go. The other nets split the “key” demo, but Jay gets everyone 50 and older. And think about it, 50+ are people more likely to be established in their careers, with consistent, reliable viewing habits. They’re less faddish customers, but they’re more likely to purchase luxury goods, like Cadillacs. And I’d be curious to see how hard 18-49 has been hit by the economic downturn. How much disposable income do they have right now? How established were they in their careers before the economy started to tank? My point is, perhaps the older demo that Jay most appeals to will be better positioned to spend money.
It’s just stupefyingly weird. You can’t blame Leno for taking the dough and staying put, but the NBC that many once loved is now gone forever. And the destroyers of it are actually proud of what they have done! NBC is now #4 – can anybody say #5 or #6?
“KSHB/KMCI VP/General Manager Craig Allison. “But if that doesn’t happen, I think this does present an opportunity. We’ll take it and make lemonade out of it—we know how to do that.”
Does NBC and Immelt realize affiliates in Kansas City are saying they can program better than Jeff Zucker?
Of course my Grandma can program better than Zucker and she’s dead. But at least she’s not rubbing it in, right Jeff?
Poor Conan- Conan must be feeling real anger at this- The competion for guests is bad enough already and now Conan can’t be “the man” because Leno is still “his lead-in” and Leno has a bigger podium then ever. I guess that Conan got “Zucker-punched.” In the end Conan is the loser not the winner with Leno sticking around.
Which Howard Stern bits will Jay be stealing for this new version of his show?
this is such a big mistake. i am not sure what the hell is going on over at NBC but work doesn’t seem to be a part of it. With Silverman worried about his new contract and everyone trying to figure out what everyone else is doing….it is no wonder the “amazing” idea they came up with was this swill.
why you would not just leave things alone while the dust settles is odd. this fall has been highly unusual with the election and the amount of politics that was on – it was no wonder no one watched anything. I see this move a bit insulting. the cable channels should have a lot of cheer for now….this just opens everything up for them do continue on with their great programing!
So, Leno at 10p. Local News at 11p. Conan at 11:35p. Fallon at 1:05a. Then, sleep. Hmmm? Sounds like lots of fun and this idea does make NBC more attractive. Great guests every weekday. I’m getting excited…
I meant, Fallon at 12:35a. I was thinking about SNL…
The pilot free pilot season worked out so well for NBC last year. I expect this to do just as well for them.
With no Olympics and no election next year, who will GE blame when NBC starts falling behind The CW?
Smart move for Leno, time will tell if it is a smart move for NBC. Losers are the creative community looking to produce shows for NBC, as five hours of time for scripted shows vanishes. Does this mean ABC and CBS will have a stronger pool of shows to look at for the 10pm slot? It will be interesting to watch how aggressively the 10pm slot is counter-programmed. Let’s hope Leno puts out a show that’s not as predictable as Tonight Show has become.
I seem to recall reading someplace today (LA Times? NY Times? DV?) that Leno’s primetime show will air in originals for 46 weeks, not for 46 shows. Which certainly is more logical. Leno gets $2 mil/week x 46 weeks = $92 mil/yr. Nice work if you can get it, sez me.
NBC is creatively bankrupt. Can’t believe the spin they’re putting on the massacre in programming. The fish definitely stinks from the head. The sole progenitor of all their recent problems is Little Jeffie, yet the man still has his job.
I’ve watched the value of my stock drop from $34 to under $18 and that miserable little troll is still wreaking havoc. Why is that exactly? Who does he have pictures of and what are they doing?
Actually, Nikki, you have a really good point. If the local affiliates don’t like Conan, they can always pre-empt Leno for local programming, and then put him in his traditional slot…
Wow. What a move. NBC is freed up from the expense of programming for primetime. Locals get to do their own thing and keep their ad revenue, and Leno is still on in his old spot.
Pretty clever, even if they didn’t plan it out that way. Clever in an ass-backward sort of way.
Generally have been amazed that Zucker has continued to fail upwards – BUT – you are missing this one NF. It’s a brilliant move. Ahead of the curve. Networks are in a declining business. Fox 10p advantage. Now no Leno for ABC. Takes the pressure off Conan. Across the board – considering how badly they had f**ked the Leno thing up – this is a great move.
I used to think Leno was a shmuck but now I think he’s a genius. Not only does he screw over Conan by stealing guests (if you were a star promoting a movie would you rather be on late night or prime time?)he also screws over Silverman (who he was clearly uncomfortable sitting next to) by killing late night television when the ratings drop, thus ending Silverman’s reign.
Nikki have you been able to get a comment from Dick Wolf on this…the schedule change means the venerable Law & Order will not be aired at any of the desirable 10pm Monday-Friday time slots and we fans of the franchise shows all know that this move could f*** with Wolf’s attempts on behalf of the mothership to get take the longest running TV drama record away from Gunsmoke. Wolf’s got a *lotta* money and the single-minded determination to get that record by any means necessary (ask a Criminal Intent fan like myself about how our show got bounced to USA and a lower cable budget about how initially our show looked as if it lost Wolf’s Sophie’s Choice but is now USA’s crown jewel while Zucker & Silverman seem to be doing some kind of painful & long-running Who’s On First routine with the NBC schedule and causing all kinds of pain to other fans of NBC scripted shows). I’m dying to hear what Wolf has to say about this (especially given that Silverman blew Wolf off in their first ever scheduled meeting).
I think Zucker & Silverman should start taping themselves & air a show called The Biggest Yutz. Tough to tell who is Dumb and who is Dumberer in this one but I can tell them that they better give Wolf the Sunday 10 pm slot for the mothership to placate him unless they want to launch a jihad on the L&O franchise. And they better keep SVU on as late as possible or else the conservative types will have a cow over ’sexual’ stuff being on when the kids are awake.
This is not good…
Poor bastard, Conan. What prestige does The Tonight Show hold anymore with this move by NBC and Leno?
Conan should sue the bastards, get out of his contract, and move to ABC just to F’ with NBC…
…of course, he could lose his job in the process and ruin his career. There is that.
Amazed at how JZ has failed upwards over the years – incredible he still have the gig – BUT – this is a brilliant move. Ahead of the declining network biz curve. Turns his Leno debacle around. The Fox till 10p game sort of. ABC gets nothing! Takes the pressure off Conan a bit. Across the board great play.
And I hate to mess up the NBC 2.0 math here but…. $3 million an episode does get you 22 programs but they are rerun so you get 44 weeks filled. More importantly the $3 million per episode gets you a show with potential in syndication or DVD season sales ala LAW & ORDER or LOST. That’s where the deficit financier (studio) really makes their money. A Leno 10pm show has no syndication back end or DVD potential so you have to live off your ad sales on it like other reality shows. Is it me or has NBC forgotten the basic business model of a TV network/studio? They are wasting their Fin/Syn profit potential because they don’t know how to develop hits.
Leno’s and Silverman’s first exchange up there? Bizarre… Making lemonade out of NBC’s mass failures of late…Bizarre… Conan now STILL playing second fiddle after orchestrating a presumptive career promotion? Bizarre. Conan has GOT to be pissed. But somehow, I don’t think he has the balls that Letterman had to give NBC the figurative finger and walk. And Leno clearly doesn’t, either. Bizarre…
Nobody’s talking about the damage this does to late night as the daypart that is the exclusive home of topical comedy, talk, variety. This dilutes the whole idea of late night television (in the summer months, in the central time zone, Jay will come on at 900pm when the sun is still high in the sky) and you got to believe Conan is looking for the out — rather than go down as the guy who was standing there when late night died.
Not for nothing is Leno craftily hanging onto the Burbank “Tonight Show” studio. The 1000pm product will be perceived as “The Tonight Show” moved to primetime. Burbank is intrinsic to the brand. Conan’s 1135pm entry will be seen as a new franchise, from a new studio @ Universal, with no history/equity/franchise power and featuring leftover B-list guests.
I fear this move only looks smart in the short term… and will prove stupid and destructive over the long term.
Dittos on NBC needing a prime time general like Don Ohlmeyer right now.
As for Jay’s “Headlines”, my TiVo Season Pass for that weekly segment has given us more out-loud laughs than anything else on NBC since the final season of Frasier.
Suppose you are NBC affiliates. Now suppose that a group like PTEN or other syndicators offers you prime-time 10 pm scripted shows at a cheap price, made in Australia, or New Zealand, or Canada, or Ireland.
With sci-fi content, or action, or what have you drawing a male audience, who Hollywood has abandoned on TV.
Would you not move Leno to 11:30, pre-empt Conan, and run the scripted shows across 10 pm? Heck something will have to fill that slot and I doubt Leno will get the ratings needed to make running his show a money maker at that hour.
This is an invitation to run more syndicated stuff across network affiliates. Particularly in a recession where there is scrabbling for viewers.
Hey, don’t you all get it? When Conan who has been losing share and gaining an older demo bombs Jay will move back into that slot.
It’s amazing that they planned to boot Jay due to demos, now have Conan in the same boat….then move Jay to 10 where Geritol will once again be back in Primetime with ads and all with the MBA speak of “managing margins!.
Imelt doesn’t have to clean house; it’s cleaned.
5 less SAG eligible hours a week at the Peacock as Leno moves into primetime. Add a few new shows and pilots that go AFTRA and you can see just how much SAG is losing in TV. The pieces of the pie are rapidly shrinking for SAG as the stalemate continues, but the number of SAG members has not. Expect to see a whole lot more dual card holders as the survivors jump from the sinking SAG ship.
I have a question and maybe someone can answer this for me. What happens if Leno’s primetime show bombs? If I were Conan O’Brien I’d be royally pissed off right now.
“BleedsInColor” has raised an interesting theory. Is it, in fact, possible that Zucker has pictures of Immelt “in flagrante” or some other equivalent and Silverman, in turn, has the same that he’s holding over Zucker’s head? That’s the only explanation I can think of as to why these three clowns (with apologies to Ringling Brothers’ Barnum & Bailey Circus) keep their jobs and have failed so spectacularly upwards.
The real winner in this equation is Letterman… if Leno gets all the choice guests (which he will), Conan will just have his scraps AND will be off-putting to the 11:35p audience… Letterman stays The King of Late Night, but know he has the numbers to back it up.
So big deal. TV is ratings. If Leno’s 5 night a week doesn’t pull in the audience, it’ll be gone like any other show. Anybody remember how ABC put Jerry Lewis on Saturday night with 2 hours to fill? It went down, and in it’s place we got “The Hollywood Palace” a fine little show that lasted quite a while. So don’t panic, folks. This too shall pass. Come 2010, all will be back to normal.
“I fear this move only looks smart in the short term… and will prove stupid and destructive over the long term.”
This only looks smart until you start really looking at it, and get beyond the immediate money savings, which would be impressive at first sight. Lower ratings (not expected to beat CSI) equal lower advertising income, and lower ratings for the affiliates’ newscasts. (There will be certain episodes that pull in good numbers but there won’t be any way to actually capitalize on the random rating grabbing Leno. that will only be a bonanza for the advertisers.) Then there is the dilution of the brand and the impact of new ‘Tonight Show’ and the subsequent lower ratings for it, and for the new Fallon show in late night. Something that shoots the cash cow of late night of those programs. Now would the current plan lend itself to any reruns, syndication or dvd sales, thus eliminating the seconday market income. And with the possible giveback of prime time hours to affiliates more income disappears from NBC and NBC/Universal. Anyone see a trend emerging here…
Admittedly when you develop programs with the taste, ability and track record of a Jeff Zucker and his various minions the less time you have to program the better. But that doesn’t lend itself to a healthy network. Nor does that serve the interests of the affliates and the stockholders.
I’m not in the industry, so I’m speaking as a viewer only….I’ve never really like Conan, in fact he irritates me. However having found my way to the Late, Late Show I will stay up to watch Craig Ferguson (and even watch reruns when necessary) and I think I’m not alone since I read that Ferguson’s numbers are better than Conan’s….and because I like the into, I tune into to Letterman’s show…so his ratings benefit from the Ferguson link…which may apply to others as well.
I like Leno but don’t watch him that much…I would certainly choose a drama program over a show of his at 10 pm…and yes, I’m a L&O fan from way back.
Since I think Letterman still has a sense of humor, I wonder if he’s planning on bowing out and leaving Ferguson to destory Conan….payback for the way NBC treated him way back when?
Here we go again. This is the future: no scripted shows. is SAG listening? Strike? What a stupid idea. They’re trying to get rid of us actors anyway, so why not help them by striking? Is Alan Rosenberg completely brain-dead??
Much like Chevy Chase, who bombed guest hosting the Tonight Show for Carson prior to doing his own show, there is a track record for prime time here. Leno has done prime time specials back in the early nineties, and they failed…NBC no longer gives him an anniversary show in prime time because…you guessed it. He’s prime time poison. Even Johnny Carson avoided prime time because he knew that late night fans and prime time fans are two very different groups.
The Sarah Palin of TV moves.
Leno has never failed in primetime. But five nights a week is a different story. Conan, however, in an earlier slot for anniversary specials has been a dismal failure. YEs, please, Dick Wolf needs to be interviewed!!!
Raymond Dupar hit the nail right on the head. Jay will bomb out doing this show at 10 pm and will do so horrible that I’ll bet that NBC would have been much better off letting Conan walk for $50 million. Face it, lets say that you are Jim Carrey and there is a chance to do Jay’s show at 10 PM Monday night or guest star on CSI Miami as the murderer If I were Jim, I would guest star on CSI Miami as the murderer. In Jim’s case, it would be him murdering his competitors in a comedy contest, yet the victims die in horrible ways that cause the team to suspect a serial killer at first. Of course, CBS would have to air a TV spot concerning the movie and/or have Jim appear on the Late show as well. This is a move that is stillborn. The logical move would be to give Conan $50 million to walk as I said, and give Dick Wolf the 10 PM hour prying Law & Order CI away from USA in the process. Of course, Jeff Zucker and Ben Silverman don’t do logic.
Hey, here is NBC’s new slogan (my entry if you want to do a slogan contest Nikki): No Logic Here!
“No more crappy scripted shows…no more residuals, no more WGA, no more SAG…perfect move by NBC. Hey, FOX does it, why can’t NBC?”
Frank Grimes gets it right. I keep saying since september that the problem for the networks is the relevance of continuing to show fiction series in an environment where the offer has radically changed the tastes of the viewer. Less series hours, more co-production with Europe (XIII is damn good, you know…)Maybe NBC is a laboratory.
I am not happy about this move. I really don’t care for Leno. 5 nights a week during primetime. So boring. TV is going downhill. I hope this fails miserably. I know I won’t be tuning in to NBC at the 10pm time slot. I will go to cable or the other networks. All these people who keep saying that this is great because they are sticking it to SAG or the WGA. Well those are the minority. They are also hurting the crews. The people you don’t see but help make the shows. This means there are going be 5 less shows for people to work on. It’s not just about SAG and the WGA. This is a bad day for the industry.