WATCHMEN RULING: Where Was Larry?
I’ve just learned tonight that the Fox Filmed Entertainment brass, because of the holiday, didn’t even know they had won! The New York Times’ Michael Cieply was first to get hands on today’s five-page written order issued by Gary A. Feess, a Los Angeles-based judge in the United States District Court for Central California, stating how he intends to rule soon in the closely watched case. I broke the news in August when Feess denied a Warner Bros motion to dismiss 20th Century Fox’s legal battle over the rights to develop, produce and distribute a highly anticipated film based on the graphic novel Watchmen written by Alan Moore and illustrated by Dave Gibbons. Fox was seeking to enjoin Warner Bros from going forward with the project and releasing it in March 2009, and Feess back then refused to deep-six Fox’s lawsuit filed on February 12th. Everyone assumed there would be a trial starting in late Janury over the legal issues because Feess at an earlier hearing said he believed one was necessary to settle the case.
But now Feess has abruptly done an about-face, saying he has reconsidered and concluded that Fox should prevail. So Feess intends to grant 20th Century Fox’s claim that it owns a copyright interest in the Warner Bros pic. “Fox owns a copyright interest consisting of, at the very least, the right to distribute the ‘Watchmen’ motion picture,” said today’s written order obtained by the NYT. (A more detailed order is coming soon, according to the court.) Such a ruling could screw up Warner Bros’ plans to release the pic as soon as March. Unless, of course, Fox is just looking for a single payout or share in the proceeds, either of which Barry Meyer and Alan Horn will have to fork over once all the legal fuss dies down. (Warner Bros had a similar problem with the Dukes Of Hazzard pic because of Judge Feess and had to pay tens of millions of dollars to release the film.) Indeed, the judge himself advised both Fox and Warner Bros to settle or appeal. “The parties may wish to turn their efforts from preparing for trial to negotiating a resolution of this dispute or positioning the case for review,” he said. But if WB goes down the appeal road, then Watchman may not come out until 2011 considering the glacial speed with which the court system moves.
This is a case where producer Larry Gordon’s hot property changed hands again and again since the late 1980s from Fox, to Universal, to Paramount, until finally to Warner Bros and Legendary Pictures which together went forward with the film. For some time now, WB execs have complained privately about what they say is Fox’s “opportunistic claim,” noting that 20th sat on its so-called rights for years while the property was developed by other studios. And that Fox even had an opportunity to re-acquire the project and passed. But 20th contends that it owns the distribution rights to any motion picture based on Watchmen and has held these rights for almost two decades based on agreements with producer Gordon and his related business entities. So Fox asserted claims against Warner Bros and its affiliates for copyright infringement and contractual interference. Meanwhile, the film moved forward. Warner Bros screened Watchmen footage at Comic-Con, premiered action figure toys, showcased the Nite Owl ship (photo right) used in the movie, and presented a panel with director Snyder, illustrator Gibbons, and the principal cast.
This isn’t the only controversy that in which Watchmen has been embroiled. Fans have long argued whether the comic series can even be called a graphic novel, since it was originally serialized in 12 issues. More recently, according to DHD’s geek entertainment expert, Luke Y Thompson (WARNING: SPOILERS AHEAD!): “All the footage that has been shown has garnered high marks from fans. But director Zack Snyder’s admission that he’s changed the ending has rankled many. The book culminated in a grand scheme to end the Cold War by faking an alien invasion, using a genetically engineered squid-like monster that generated a psychic shockwave and decimated New York. Snyder has confirmed there is no squid, and he’s also been slightly dismissive about anyone who considers that such a big deal. The new ending appears to involve framing Dr. Manhattan for an attack, which on paper doesn’t sound quite right. With the WB/Fox lawsuit over the property still not settled, and just over two months to release, that could be an even bigger problem than calamari tentacles.”
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Zack Snyder: Rosebud!?! F&*k that! I got one better!!
That is about as hilarious as scolding Neil Simon about comedy.
And the hell with the fans that initially drew exposure (and dollars) to the art (business).
This is as courteous as one KB who had total disregard about the fanbase several Comicons ago.
let me get this straight – snyder changed the ending of the best graphic novel ever?
i can’t wait to not watch this movie now – and any director so dismissive of such a plot change is an idiot.
Watch-ing Fox and Warner go at it over Watch-men is like witnessing two bald guys fighting over a comb.
The movie is a guaranteed DOA turkey because of hack Snyder and Alan Moore will be laughing uproariously into his brandy glass.
But I’ll say this for Warner…at least they occasionally get genre stuff right…Fox are just plain clueless, and are about to drop the ball on Wolverine. Karma’s a bitch, guys.
Please. It’s still the same damn ending, it just isn’t a giant squid. You know why?
A GIANT SQUID WOULD LOOK STUPID.
I don’t doubt that the movie will be basically just the comic, with a different monster, or something less dumb than a squid. It could still be aliens even. Or just something big and blue that they blame on Dr. Manhattan since he is an alien…sorta.
FOX has every right to sue WB. Would WB let go of the rights if it was in FOX’s place?
As far as crying over the internet goes… If Fanboys have any real power.. snakes on a plane, Grindhouse.. would all have made millions of dollars and movies like Beverly Hills Chihuaha, Alan & the chip munks… would have moved out of theaters in 2 weeks.
So stop crying foul and hope that the studios would come to a deal and release the movie on time.
Knowing Fox, they’ll get their hands on it, release a 90 minute version, make it PG-13, Zack Snyder will take his name off the movie, the actors involved will be dragged tooth and nail to pimp a shit product on all the entertainment news outlets and that will be that. So the real losers in this scenario are people who actually enjoy challenging material.
The first poster is right: As of right now, Fox has no interest in getting distribution rights or a portion of the money from Warner Bros. (and Paramount, who also has a toe in the film). Fox just wants to kill Watchmen, plain and simple. They don’t want to make their own Watchmen film, either. They just want this film never to see the light of day.
The comment about Harry Knowles was a joke. The fact that the Batman TV series is not available yet on DVD is a tragedy.
Yes, I do know the difference.
Oh, and BTW, the poster that uses the phrase “sucks like a one dollar crack whore” clearly hasn’t experienced enough one dollar crack whores.
Good job Fox! The WB were morons not to see this coming. The fanboy community aside, Watchmen looks completely awful. I’ve never read the graphic novel and don’t care to. Kudos to Fox for defending quality. Leave the silver screen for Marvel properties (and Batman) and stop this glut of indy crap from flooding the market and ruining it for the big guns.
Settle down people. Settle down.
Come March this film will be released in cinemas as scheduled.
Except when it begins it will bare the logos of..
Warner Bros.
Legendary Pictures.
Paramount Pictures.
DC Comics.
…..and of course Twentieth Century Fox.
Fox will then shameless start bragging that they have a great record with comic book movies by mentioning Watchmen right alongside the (first two) X-men films.
You know it will happen because it sounds like a money making solution for all.
Warners get their movie in cinemas. Fox get their ‘credit’ and a small back end of the gross.
And Watchmen will go down in history as the Hollywood studio feature with the most ‘stings’ ever.
End of.
As usual, Warner Borg is correct.
Next up: “Quatermass and the Pit”
a long-sought-after Hammer Films remake that had everyone and their mother chasing the rights (except Michael Bay’s mother — he doesn’t know who she is..) however the rights are held by “joint-blocking rights” by 20th and Warner Bros due a tv deal done in the 60s…..
While FOX may have a legal right to do what they did, I question the ethics of their actions. But then again, this Hollywood, so I’m not surprised there was no ethics involved…
Seems like this is the 3rd or 4th in a growing string of failures by Warners’ feature legal dept, including Dukes of Hazzard
gotmyjd2003,
Very well put. The blame, from a basic standpoint, is squarely at the feet of Larry Gordon. But a studio, the size of Warner Bros, should have had the brains to realize that Gordon was wrong from the get go and never have started principal photography until the rights issues had been resolved. The truth that none of the fanboys like Harry Knowles want to acknowledge is that prior to production, Fox did, in fact, contact Warner Bros about the rights issue and the WB scoffed at it and rolled the dice. So after being blown off by the WB, Fox took the only tact they could. They waited for the most damaging time they could to file their suit. The Wb had their chance and ignored it. So Fox did EXACTLTY what the WB would have done if the situation was reversed. Look at it like this:
The WB owns the rights to Batman distribution. Some douchebage producer who has some sembalance of rights to produce a movie, pitches the idea to Fox. Fox greenlights the film. Before they begin production, the WB contacts them and informs them that they have distibution rights. Fox tells them to essentially go to hell. Fox makes the movie. Does anyone here think that WB would file suit to stop production and not wait until after priciple photograhpy was finished so they can inflict the most damage and be in the best possible legal position? If you think otherwise you are dreaming. You better believe WB would have handled this in exactly the same way.
So the simple truth is this, the WB fucked up BIG TIME. They thought they could game the system and got screwed. Now all the crybaby fanboys are calling for the heads of Rothman and the higher ups at Fox. Why not call for the heads of the WB team that thought they could get away with this? Why not call for the head of Gordon who the judge in the case basically killed in his ruling. Something to the extent of “Gordon couldn’t recall the terms of his agreement with Fox. And he refused to answer any substantial questions on the topic. As of now, if he suddenly recalls anything that might aide Warner Bros in this case I will sumarily dismiss it all given his obvious lack of credibility.”
So fanboys, take your anger out on the real villians, Gordon and to a lesser extent, Warner Bros.
The reason this movie is so long is because they have to spend so much time going through the studio logos in the beginning.
I was part of the original fanboy rave of reading “Watchmen.” The ending’s premise was, by far, not a big hit with anyone that I can remember — reactions ranged from “meh, but everything else was great” to “what a letdown!”. In fact, I’ve always used it as an example of how hard endings are — the longer the build-up, the greater the expectation and truly great endings that successfully tie everything together (or successfully leave them untied without causing too many death threats) are few and far between.
If Snyder can come up with a better ending that accomplishes the same tasks, I say more power to him. If it’s not better, well, that’s why they call them “creative risks.”
Besides, whatever he has in mind will, I’m sure, at worst be absolutely noting compared to the creative rape that Frank Miller just perpetrated on the corpse of Will Eisner in “The Spirit,” who turned a sweetly optimistic, deeply moral piece of work into an anti-humanist blending of Mickey Spillane and…Frank Miller. Eisner…who’s he?
MrJeff: Let’s change the ending of MOBY DICK so that the whale lives. Hey, a hot director can do whatever the fuck he wants to a script, right?
I guess you haven’t:
a) read the book
b) seen the film
c) seen the mini series
Just a heads up – the whale does live.
Mr. Wein,
I was indeed misinformed. Thanks for setting me straight.
And thanks for all the great stories over the years!
Why is it different if Fox had done this rather than WB? Because WB actually made a film and it looks like they’ve tried to do a good job of it.
Fox sat on it for years doing nothing with it. Yes it’s their right, and yes WB’s legal team screwed up, but this is where things are now and since a lot of people involved in the making of Watchmen are innocent of the screw-ups then it shouldn’t be canned.
A solution should be found that meets everyone’s needs.
Oh, and if Fox hadn’t been such a shitty studio over the past few decades, I’d have a lot more sympathy for them. WB, on the other hand, made Batman Begins.
From watchmencomicmovie.com on the screening of the first 22 minutes of watchmen:
“Reports of what was seen have been overwhelmingly positive and all commenting on how the new scenes show that this is not a typical Zack Snyder action film, and something with a lot more cinematic gravitas than the visceral “This is Sparta!”
Rodney Perkins from TwitchFilm.net, who attended this year’s BNAT, had this to say about the look of the film in the 22 minutes of footage that was shown:
The complex mix of effects and sets featured in Ridley Scott’s Blade Runner immediately come to mind. This approach always grounds the action and performances, thus enhancing the believability of the narrative… Snyder seems to have made the best possible use of the source material… if the entire film locks together like these sequences, Watchmen will be worth every ounce of hype that precedes it.
AICN’s own Nordling shared similar sentiments when he explained:
…if I was a little worried before I’m not at all now, squid or no squid. This felt very much like Moore’s and Gibbon’s WATCHMEN with chunks of dialogue taken directly from the book.
Devin Faraci from CHUD.com, who in my opinion understands Watchmen more than any other entertainment site owner (myself excluded), said it best:
It will look and feel like a real movie. That’s a weird thing to say, but there are lots of people out there who… are jumping to the conclusion that Zack Snyder has made a Watchmen filled with speed ramping and flashy money shots. From what I’ve seen this isn’t even remotely true at all. The footage is stylish… but it looked more like a modern take on a noir film than anything else… Snyder allows his takes to be long, eschewing a quick cut style that many seem to think would rule the day in this film. The 22 minutes I saw didn’t feel like an action film at all.
Not an action film? This is what director Zack Snyder has been saying for a long time, but many fans just wouldn’t believe him. Maybe after these reports his stock will rise a little with the die-hard fans who have been some of his harshest critics. Either way, fans will definitely be getting a Watchmen film in March they will likely never forget.”
Excuse me for being naïve, but isn’t there some sort of written agreement between Gordon and Fox, and isn’t that what the litigation should be about? I can’t see why this isn’t cut and dried — an oral contract is worth the paper it’s printed on, especially in Hollywood.
To all of the childish fans who feel Warners is in the right just because they make movies that please them: isn’t this the same studio that gave us WILD,WILD WEST, THE AVENGERS,SUPERMAN RETURNS, and Joel Schumacher’s Batman? (And didn’t Fox make your cherished X-MEN films?) Never give a corporation too much credit for “caring about the fans”… not that this is relevent in a legal case like this.
Having attended a Q&A with Zack and a sneak of about 30 minutes worth of footage, I can say I’m really surprised he’s changing the ending, after vowing he wouldn’t “pussy out” to a geek who asked him if he would regarding the ending.
That being said, the end of the book in general is one that will piss off/confuse tons of traditional moviegoers had it been translated exactly (I won’t spoil, but those who read Watchmen know what I mean if you look through the lens of an average moviegoer).
Unfortunately, as someone pointed out earlier, fanboys make up a demographically small — albeit vocal — percentage of moviegoers.
In the book, the “giant squid” that kills Manhattan with the hope of shocking the world into unity is designed to evoke a giant vagina and anus–a commentary on a patriarchal society’s terror of women, as well as a sly, slightly paradoxical reminder that there’s nothing like discovery of girls to make boys put down their superhero comics and toys. (Or nukes, as the case may be.)
Replacing the “female” alien with the decidedly male, quite phallic Dr. Manhattan entirely flips the thematic point of the story’s climax. While I understand the concern about “giant squid” not testing well, this change makes me think Snyder fundamentally didn’t understand the story he was adapting, or didn’t care. Or that Watchmen, which is a meditation on the specific (often absurd) themes and processes of comic books as much as anything, is essentially unadaptable.