Amy Aquino and Arye Gross, Mike Farrell and Mike Hodges, Rhea Perlman and Danny DeVito, have all written letters in recent days opposing SAG's strike authorization vote and urging the board not to hold it and actors to vote against it.
From Danny DeVito and Rhea Perlman sent to SAG President Alan Rosenberg:
December 2, 2008
Dear Alan,
We feel very strongly that SAG members should not vote to authorize a strike at this time.
We don't think that an authorization can be looked at as merely a bargaining tool. It must be looked at as what it is – agreement to strike if negotiations fail.
We support our union and we support the issues we're fighting for, but we do not believe in all good conscience that now is the time to be putting people out of work.
None of our friends in the other unions are truly happy with the deals they made in their negotiations. Three years from now all the union contracts will be up again at roughly the same time. At that point if we plan and work together with our sister unions we will have incredible leverage.
As hard as it may be to wait those three years under an imperfect agreement, we believe this is what we must do.
We think that a public statement should be made by SAG recognizing that although this is not a deal we want, it is simply not a time when our union wants to have any part in creating more economic hardship while so many people are already suffering.
Let's take the high road. Let's unite with our brothers and sisters in the entertainment community and prepare for the future, three years down the line. Then, together, let's make a great deal.
Sincerely,
Rhea Perlman and Danny DeVito
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Sent to Unite For Strength members by Amy Aquino and Arye Gross:
Dear UFS Supporter,
Unite for Strength is a broad coalition of professional performers determined to unite SAG and AFTRA to gain the leverage we need to get the contracts we deserve. Your support of this growing movement helped us elect five candidates to SAG’s National Board in September. Not surprisingly, we’re now receiving many inquiries regarding SAG’s recent call for a strike authorization vote, and want to help clarify what has happened so far.
When the National Board held its first post-election meeting in October, SAG’s negotiating committee asked for an immediate strike authorization referendum. Because of Unite for Strength’s newly won board seats, there were enough votes in the room to prevent that from happening. The Board instead called for federal mediation (a move SAG leadership had rejected before the election) to try to jumpstart the stalled negotiations. On November 20th, the Guild and producers (the AMPTP) went back to the table for the first time in over four months – but after just two days, the mediator declared it was pointless to continue. SAG’s negotiating committee – in which Unite for Strength had no vote – concluded in a split vote that mediation had failed, which automatically triggered the strike authorization referendum.
In these historically difficult economic times, every reasonable possibility for making a deal must be explored before considering a job action, and based on the media reports we’ve seen, we’re concerned this wasn’t accomplished. Soon all SAG members will need to let the leadership know how they feel, through their strike authorization votes. The decision to authorize a strike is one of the most important choices any member can make. It should be made after carefully weighing all the issues and the potential consequences. In the coming weeks, Unite for Strength will work to make sure that all our fellow members understand how important it is to cast a fully and accurately informed vote.
Respectfully,
Amy Aquino and Arye Gross
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Sent from Mike Hodge to SAG members (contains Mike Farrell statement):
Hello fellow SAG members.
As you have probably heard we are about to be inundated with an Educational Campaign from the Executive Director and National President of the Screen Actor’s Guild. It will tell you that we must vote up a strike authorization. And that if we do, it doesn’t necessarily mean we will take a strike.
I don’t want to go into a whole lot of detail here. I will send something later. But I want you to know that I am in total agreement with everything the Mike Farrell makes in his open letter below. And also that the issue at had represents less than 2% of our income and we are losing $1.7 million a week plus the 14% in pension and health.
Oh and the two studies that the DGA did said that there won’t be money in New Media until 2012 or even 2014. Our contracts last for 3 years.
Please consider what is written below:Mike Farrell
THE GANG THAT COULDN’T SHOOT STRAIGHT STRIKES AGAIN
The Hollywood-centric “Membership First” faction that has controlled SAG’s National Board for most of the last five years chooses tactics - misinformation, tough talk, over-promising and ineptitude – that have run our union into the ground. Blustering and posturing instead of negotiating have clearly painted us into a corner. One would hope repeated failure might have caused a bit of light to dawn, but no. Today, with the country in the most catastrophic economic condition since 1929 and our entire industry reeling, they want you to vote for a strike.
A strike? Now? Don’t we look foolish enough already?
Do they think it’s a way to somehow save face?
What it looks like to me:
After realizing their dream of controlling SAG, the Membership First-led leadership fired a bright, capable guy who had only recently been hired. They insisted there would be no penalty, but they were wrong; it cost us a bundle. Then, after searching for months for just the right replacement, they hired an Executive Director who spoke their language and had no experience in the business.
Their team in place, they set out to realize their agenda, which included bringing the agents back into the Franchise Agreement, getting a raise in DVD residuals, and their long-sought dream of destroying AFTRA.
Their first step was a high-handed approach to the agents, asserting SAG’s authority over all actor’s contracts and threatening legal action if they didn’t toe the line. You may have heard the laughter. Needless to say, our leaders didn’t broadcast the humiliating rejection that ensued, but, as you may have noticed, we still have no Franchise Agreement with the major agencies.
Raising DVD residuals (labeled a ‘non-starter’ by the AMPTP) had to wait until the ’08 contract negotiations, so the next order of business was to Swift-Boat AFTRA and get it out of the way. Our leaders started by bad-mouthing the smaller union, criticizing its contracts and organizing methods. Then they tried to intimidate AFTRA into becoming the neutered bystander in the upcoming negotiations with the AMPTP, claiming that the 50/50 deal made between SAG and AFTRA under the Phase One agreement almost 30 years ago was suddenly unfair.
Using every trick they could think of, including attempting to muscle the NY and Regional Branches of SAG into line, they pushed AFTRA to knuckle under. To their great surprise, AFTRA’s leaders called their bluff, refusing to accept less than the equal partnership the long-honored agreement promised. Stunned by this surprisingly firm stand, SAG’s leaders backed down, claiming they hadn’t really meant it.
Subsequent disparagement and double-dealing by SAG leaders, however, resulted in AFTRA’s losing patience with the process. Deciding their negotiating partners were not trustworthy, AFTRA broke away and moved to meet with the AMPTP on its own. Caught flat-footed again, SAG quickly claimed the right to negotiate with the AMPTP first.
AFTRA agreed.
These talks, however, soon ground to a halt. Despite the fact that the WGA gave up on DVDs even before their strike and the DGA hadn’t brought them up, SAG negotiators placed the ‘non-starter’ DVD raise on the table. If that wasn’t trouble enough, they found themselves facing a complicated formula for New Media that both the DGA and WGA had already accepted.
Unwilling to acknowledge the years-long research on New Media done by the DGA and agreed to by the WGA, SAG chose to rely on tough talk and strident demands and fell on its face.
With SAG and the AMPTP now at an impasse, AFTRA sat down, worked with the DGA/WGA template and succeeded in negotiating a deal that improved on what SAG had been reaching for before their talks exploded, leaving SAG’s leadership with more egg on its face.
Still unable to see the rapidly fading light, SAG went back to the AMPTP and tried again to demand a deal that would have required the other side to renegotiate the agreements already reached with the DGA, WGA and now AFTRA. SAG would do anything, it appeared, but realize its mistakes.
Instead, it took the most illogical step available and tried to torpedo acceptance of the AFTRA contract by its members, most of whom hold cards in both unions. This involved spending a reported $150,000 or so of SAG dues money on a failed “educational” effort to interfere with the legitimate action of a sister union. They blew it again, the AFTRA contract was ratified, and the SAG leadership succeeded only in making themselves, and by extension all of us, look like bullies, and worse, fools.
Without a contract and looking more desperate all the time, SAG continued to talk tough and settled for a months-long period of stasis, during which production staggered, awaiting some resolution. This past fall, some new non-MF members were elected to the SAG National Board, which, as the economy began to crash around us, sent a Hail Mary to a federal mediator.
However, with the AMPTP sticking with its “final offer” and the same SAG negotiating team unwilling to let go of the DVD increase, the mediator made a stab, failed, saw the light and quickly headed back to Washington.
So now they want a strike.
A strike when AFTRA, with a contract, is putting its members to work.
A strike when TV shows are already moving to sign with AFTRA.
A strike that will put the few casts and crews now working on SAG projects out on the street with millions of other Americans.
A strike that, by stopping production in the middle of a collapsing economy, will condemn SAG, already a laughing stock, to the halls of infamy.
Why would they even think of a strike?
It be because winning that vote, no matter how devastating a strike would be, is the only way they can save face, the only way they can salvage the pretense that they actually knew what they were doing all along?
It appears that we’re now going to be paying for another “education campaign,” this time one that will explain how important it is that this strike vote succeed. Given recent history, I figure it’ll probably have something to do with the threat from hidden WMDs. And I’m sure there will be the admonition that “you’re either with us or with the terrorist AMPTP.”
Well I, for one, am not anti-union. God knows, as a member for over 40 years, I’m not anti-SAG. But I am anti-idiocy.
I’m voting no.
Good for them. More should do so.
NO MORE STRIKES!
Holy crap -
Those goddamn scabs! How dare they suggest that individuals who have either worked in the past or currently enjoy working might make reasonable compensation and might enjoy continuing such a practice?!?! Heresy! Blasphemy!
No, I say rise up! Let your voices be heard! Throw down your espresso tampers and raise high your picket signs! Count out your tip share and join us on the picket lines! Everyone will support us! Why wouldn’t they? These egregious practices can go on no longer!
I always knew why I loved Danny and Rhea so much. Now I have even more reason.
-BTL working stiff
Disappointing. A strike authorization vote is not a strike. It’s leverage. And judging by the AMPTP’s recent sweaty press releases and desperate full-page ad, the possibility of authorization was getting to them.
Leave it to some people to make the wrong move at precisely the wrong time.
Let us hope that these cooler heads are the ones who prevail. You sort of get the feeling that people like Rosenberg are so enjoying their chance to perform (literally) with all this grandstanding and posturing, that they don’t care if their strike will completely obliterate an economy already on its knees, they just want their close-up. I’m not discounting the needs of the actors. I don’t dispute that they deserve better than what the AMPTP is offering. BUT THIS IS NOT THE TIME TO MAKE EVERYONE ELSE SUFFER FOR IT.
No, Alan, you didn’t cause the current economic crisis. But if you strike, you will have caused a complete economic catastrophe for the entire region – that one WILL be YOUR fault. And do you honestly think that you’ll get a better contract by doing so? Let alone the support of the very public that you’re crushing the life out of with your work stoppage? The WGA achieved NEITHER by walking out. Think about that very carefully.
There is honor in living to fight another day. Wait three years, SAG members, then hire some hardcore labor lawyers to go do battle with the AMPTP for you. And encourage the leadership at WGA to work with you next time around, to chip in for the hiring of those top notch labor lawyers. Because we’ve all seen what happens when we try to negotiate for ourselves. There’s a reason we do what we do and Nick Counter does what he does.
Strike. FU Danny. You don’t need a fair wage and residuals because your a producer now mostly.
A No vote would cause the studios to just write the union out of the next agreement. All nonunion work in a union contract
We are still waiting for VHS to be reopened and it is being replaced.
LeVel head is a studio stooge.
These guys are scabs
Any no vote on the strike will make actors lose the crappy deal they have already. At this point there is only one option. The studios are scared and DeVito is a producer more than an actor these days
Level Head:
In three years new media will be old news. We’ve fallen into this trap before with video. We cannot afford to again.
And the fear that we’d send the economy into a downward spiral should get the CEOs to the table before a strike begins. They cannot afford an industry shut down either.
There is never a good time. There never will be a good time. We only have now. This is where we’re at and we have to plow ahead. It’s not going to be neat and clean, but it must be fought now. We need strength, not desent with our ranks.
Thank god not all actors are greedy ignorant idiots. There are too many SAG members living in a bubble that really don’t get what a strike will do to this town and are only thinking of themselves.
To Voodoo:
Precisely. “Leave it to some people to make the wrong move at precisely the wrong time” That’s what I’ve been saying all along about our negotiating team.
Make *no* mistake a *no* vote will empower the AMTP to further weaken the offer to SAG in the expectation of rolling back the other guilds next time round. It couldn’t be a dumber move.
If SAG vote “No” you might as well work as slaves.
A close friend of mine works for a company that delivers television content to the studios’ websites. In the next 2 to 5 years, he tells me that all of our television content will arrive via the internet and that deals are currently being forged between the studios and the telecom companies. The way we will watch television is about to change forever. If we don’t fight for this right now all of us who rely on acting as our one and only source of income will suffer, primarily because the tv shows we currently work on will be classified as “new media.” If we don’t stand up for our future now, we can kiss our residuals goodbye forever. Cool heads can prevail, especially when it comes to making a decision this important. Vote yes to authorize a strike.
Let the implosion begin.
I don’t want to see a strike but where was Danny De Vito six months ago? How was he trying to avert a strike then? And lets not forget Danny De Vito does more producing than acting these days.
Level Head, there is honor in waiting to fight another day, but now is not the time for SAG to lay down their weapons and accept whatever the AMPTP throws at them. There may not be another day. The AMPTP “Final Offer” includes massive rollbacks which were also proposed for the WGA contract and reversed. If these rollbacks are accepted by the SAG rank and file, it would mean the end of the SAG as we know it. The WGA may not have gotten a great deal, but they got a good one which includes entry into new media residues. Fighting for another day means that you pick your battles, and WGA did that with reality, animation, and game shows. These are items that aren’t critical to getting a deal done.
Voodoo-
Have you not realized that this entire year has been one gigantic scene with SAG on the edge of a rooftop, screaming at the AMPTP, ‘We’ll jump! Yes we will!’, and, unfortunately, they’re tied to a rope, and at the other end of this rope are grips, electrics, hair& m/u personnel, directors, writers, and lots and lots of god-love-’em-non union workers. And SAG keeps creeping closer to the edge, promising, “Oh yes, we’ll jump,” not realizing that the AMPTP is not exactly tied to the same piece of rope.
I know it’s an excessively elaborate metaphor. An authorization vote is little more than an attempt to show them that you’re serious, that you’ll jump. But they know already. It probably would be cheaper for them. If we all lose jobs, it could offer a chance for serious restructuring, for cutting fat, and things can possibly be much more difficult for the little guy in the end. Nobody knows. But the studios, ever able to save a dime, are pretty sure they’ll find the up side.
Go ahead. Jump. They’ll probably be happy you did.
But make no mistake. A strike authorization vote puts you that much closer to the edge.
Re: Cool Head
“A close friend of mine works for a company that delivers television content to the studios’ websites. In the next 2 to 5 years, he tells me that all of our television content will arrive via the internet and that deals are currently being forged between the studios and the telecom companies.”
Cool Head,
A close friend of mine works on the moon and he told me that in the next two to two thousand years all content will be delivered via hologram. The studios are currently negotiating with the Association of Holograms to CUT OUT residuals for actors and writers and clowns. Can we live with this? No. We must strike! Holograms are the new new media. I got screwed on home video residuals based on my one line part in Teen Witch and I will not get screwed again!
SAG needs the threat of the strike to get anywhere. Mike Farrell — once again — proves himself to be a sweet naive fool. He falls for the CEO’s insincere bullshit just as easily as he does for all the child murderers on deathrow.
Duelcard, I hope you’re right. I really do. If the strike authorization will get the AMPTP to work something out, then great. But they didn’t budge for the WGA. They just waited the first strike out – and that first strike accomplished next to nothing.
I work on a show. I can’t afford to lose my job again. And it disturbs me greatly that people are so eager to go out on strike at a time like this. Again, I don’t dispute that SAG members deserve better. But how is a work stoppage that hurts everyone but the very people it’s targeting going to do any good right now?
Hey Voodoo,
You are dead wrong when you say, “A strike authorization vote is not a strike. It’s leverage.” Have you been to the SAG site lately or read ANY of the news regarding what SAG is saying about the recent negotiations??? Here is a cut and paste directly from the SAG website…
“As it happens, we have absolutely exhausted every possible opportunity to make a deal before asking for this authorization. We spent 42 days between April and July in hard bargaining with the AMPTP. In the months that followed, we bargained informally, met with CEO’s and educated our membership about the issues. Finally, we asked for a federal mediator to intervene. After nearly a month, management agreed to return to the bargaining table for a marathon mediation session that ran late into the night on two consecutive days until the mediator finally declared that it was pointless to continue.”
Now, I don’t know what that says to you (or any other SAG supporters) but to me it says STRIKE!!!! WHEN A UNION SAYS “we have absolutely exhausted every possible opportunity to make a deal before asking for this authorization” IT SAYS STRIKE…PLAIN AND SIMPLE. I don’t know how much more clear I can make it for you guys!!! I know most of you don’t give a shit because you are, for the most part, employed in other menial labor jobs when you are not accepting acting roles. But wait until the economy is so bad that even those jobs dry up…..then you’ll be sorry that you voted yes on the authorization.
Get real and accept the deal the other unions have taken!!!! Wait until the economy is rebounding when you will have a greater advantage in getting what you need. Not to mention YOU WILL NOT HAVE PUBLIC support like the WGA did. I HOPE YOU GUYS COME TO YOUR SENSES!!!
Dear WGA Writer.
Nice try at ridiculing Cool Head for pointing out where TV technology is going. Too bad Cool Head is right.
Cool Head wrote:
“If we don’t fight for this right now all of us who rely on acting as our one and only source of income will suffer,..”
Why do you believe that you are entitled to make a livelihood as an actor?
The rest of us have to take a second job if we can’t make ends meet.
Translation: “Accept the studio offer. It’s good enough for you little people.”
And correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t Danny Devito’s “It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia” an AFTRA production?
I have no great desire to strike-vote myself out of the 6-7 weeks per year of sitcom work I’ve been getting or the three lines I have in an upcoming feature, but I agree with our elected leaders that we need a better deal and they need the leverage a strike authorization provides. I’m voting yes.
To “Are We There Yet?” –
Precisely what strategy would you have employed to ensure no rollbacks and a fair stake in digital/streaming media? What strategy would you have used against an opposition that refused to even negotiate?
If you had a killer strategy that could have achieved a fair deal in the face of a total lack of willingness to bargain, you really should have said something. You could have saved us from all this trouble. If SAG has to strike, I’m blaming you for keeping quiet. Plus you could have made a mint in consultant fees.
“Rabble, Rabble” –
I disagree with your metaphor. I believe that authorization to strike equals leverage, and leverage is critical in getting a Last Best Deal that’s better than the previous Last Best Deal (because as the WGA learned, there can be many LBD’s.)
And the CEOs don’t cut fat. If they did, they would cut back their own inflated salaries and bonuses. CEOs cut bone – working class actors’ pay, benefits, and job security.
And as for the BTL workers, it’s an unfortunate fact of life that strikes damage many lives. But the fault isn’t with SAG, because what they’re asking for is reasonable. The fault for any collateral damage inflicted on BTL worker is strictly with the AMPTP, for being unreasonable and unwilling to negotiate in good faith (or at all, for that matter.)
To Another WGA Writer:
Cool Head is right? Studios are going to cut out the networks and make deals with telecom companies to show TV over the Internet? That doesn’t make any sense. Even if we buy that consumer habits are changing so that people want to watch “TV” over the internet, studios are aligned with networks (same corporate owners) and telecom companies don’t have executives to buy and program the kind of longform content that can attract real numbers. Now, if you want to say that reruns are going to be less prominent on actual TV and that the WGA and DGA didn’t make great deals on new media residuals, that’s another story. Not even close to worth striking over given the best case scenario of what SAG could hope to accomplish, but at least it’s an argument with some merit…better than Cool Head’s “I heard from a friend that…”
UGH….All you pro strikers make me, a working SAG member sick….
So what happens when the AMPTP realizes it is too expensive to use actors and helping Paris Hilton find a best friend is more cost effective.
Or Donald Trump having two hours of celebrity apprentice followed by a Howie Mandel reality show.
Or countless Z list actors Dancing on ABC five nights a week.
Or wannabe “singers” doing karaoke for Simon Cowell.
Or signing a contract with Ryan Seacrest productions.
Oh well, I guess I will just audition for Pushing Daisies….
CANCEL
Maybe Lipstick Jungle
Cancel
Im sure this strike, much like the commercial strike, will bring so much more work…
Oh wait, cancel that.
I dont know who these people have been talking to, but every actor I know is voting NO.
Just keeping driving that work away, price yourself out of the business, and backstab everyone who disagrees with you.
It’s all about timing. SAG had the opportunity to negotiate long before their contact was up. They chose to wait hoping that the end of the contract would be the leverage needed. Instead, time has ticked on, six other guilds have signed deals and the economy is in crisis mode.
Say what you want about the congloms but their stocks are in the toliets, their shareholders are demanding improved margins and they’re being forced to find new sources of financing just to get product made. Oh, I know, there goes the AMPTP complaining about the economy again. Really? In November, 250,000 people lost their jobs in our country. December is traditionally the biggest month for layoffs. And, don’t think that the car companies hanging by a thread doesn’t affect the scatter advertising market? The economy has everything to do with this and if SAG is smart, they’ll do all they can to save face to their membership and sign a deal.
I know I should have sold stock options a year ago, but chose not to. I could have done it on June 30 (the day SAG’s contract expired), but I chose not to. Now, the stocks under water. Who can I blame. Myself.
Same old talking points from AMPTP shills.
1) Put the caterers before your own economic survival. If the caterers go out of business, who will wait on the Chernins of the world at fancy dinner parties? And we can’t have that.
2) It’s crazy to consider insisting on a fair deal in this economy. If it was a strong economy? Still crazy talk by irrational tone-deaf greedy militants.
3) Why should actors get a better deal? After all, many dolly grips’ faces and voices are also used for clips and other repurposing that bring millions to the studios.
4) Actors are greedy. Opposing rollbacks is greedy. Producers are not greedy however, and certainly anyone who, purely in their own self-interest, opposes SAG from fighting for a fair deal is greedy.
5) No one is entitled to be an actor. Well, then no one is entitled to be a whiny AMPTP shill or weak-kneed BTLer. What actors are entitled to do is fight for a good contract.
6) Studios will just run 80 hours of Wife Swap. This includes “Wife Swap: The Movie”. If this was at all feasible, the studios would do it anyway, contract or no contract. There’s nothing stopping them. The only reason they don’t go to all-reality all the time is that nobody would watch it. There’s at least 529,696,290 reasons this would never happen. And that’s just The Dark Knight (so far).
7) Live to fight another day. Revisit this in three years. Just like DVDs. Or New Media residuals in the contract the WGA JUST SIGNED. This is the most dangerous argument of all, because THIS DEAL ON NEW MEDIA will be the deal on New Media forever. Look at history. Anyone who isn’t is a fool. Point out all of the instances of the studios giving into union proposals that break precedent.
Devito is a producer. He spouts the AMPTP line, and is acting solely in his own self-interest. That’s okay for studios and producers, you see, but not okay for working actors, writers, and BTL’ers. They are selfish and out of touch for acting in their own best interest.
Every SAG member I know is voting yes. And it sounds like the IATSE membership is finally coming to its senses too.
While I respect the work of the writers of these letters, I must disagree with their recommendations.
Mr. DeVito asserts that a strike authorization is not merely a bargaining tool, but “must be looked at as what it is – agreement to strike if negotiations fail”. With respect, sir, have your apprised yourself of the history of the negotiations over the past year? Have you not noticed that the AMPTP has stuck to their “last best final” offer in the face of continued efforts by SAG to negotiate, including the use of a mediator?
Ms. Aquino and Mr. Gross try to assert that there is some negotiation-related recourse after a professional mediator has clearly judged otherwise. That it took only two days for him to make this judgement is irrelevant. He’s experienced; he knows utter recalcitrance when he sees it, and he called it like it is.
As for Mr. Farrell, rather than addressing the specifics of the negotiations, you, sir, choose to baselessly attack your elected SAG representatives. I will leave it to others to pick apart the specifics of your erroneous charges. Suffice to say I for one was repulsed by the personal and vindictive tone of your missive.
What all of the writers here have failed to grasp is that SAG has patiently exhausted every last possible avenue for winning the contract we need to remain viable as a creative guild short of authorizing a labor action. There’s no “if” to it, Mr. DeVito. Negotiations HAVE FAILED because the AMPTP has refused for the past year or more to negotiate in good faith. It is the AMPTP that has left SAG no choice but to seek a strike authorization vote.
Mr. Farrell, spending a small sum on an educational program (or campaign) to apprise members of the gravity of the issues at stake is entirely appropriate. SAG leadership would be remiss in their duties if they didn’t fully inform members of the implications of a strike authorization, as well as the serious rollbacks and breaking of precedents going back seven decades or more that the AMPTP is now demanding.
Cool Head correctly reiterates what many of us have been pointing out for the past year or more – the moguls are migrating all content distribution to the Internet as quickly as they can. Content (television shows, news, movies, so on) will go straight from the Internet to the big screen in the living room via IPTV (Internet Protocol for Television). Netflix and Tivo have already made moves in this direction. Microsoft is looking to leverage its XBox for content delivery. Other companies – even in the porn industry – are moving in the same direction, while some television companies are already building ports on their televisions to accept Internet-delivered content via IPTV.
This is not just happening in the United States. Much of Europe – where I’m traveling right now – has higher broadband saturation and better residential bandwidth than the US. The moguls would love nothing better than to be able to bypass the scads of middlemen in various parts of the world and reach their customers directly through the Web, and that’s exactly what they’re already starting to do, through Hulu and similar sites.
The moguls want actors to accept lower residuals and a non-union production exemption for new media so they can keep billions more over the next two decades or more and make the creative guilds irrelevant shadows of their former selves. In the face of these kinds of potential losses from the rollbacks the AMPTP wants, Mr. Hodge’s and Mr. Farrell’s fussing over numbers in the six to low-seven figures is lamentably short-sighted.
I urge the writers of these letters to reconsider their position, and I urge all SAG members to vote in favor of authorizing a labor action.
Mike Farrell was quoted as saying, “Despite the fact that the WGA gave up on DVDs even before their strike and the DGA hadn’t brought them up, SAG negotiators placed the ‘non-starter’ DVD raise on the table.”
In fact the WGA leadership gave up on DVD residuals in the early days of the strike, not before it. And many if not most WGA members are still bitter over it. I believe that if the WGA had it to do all over again, abandoning DVD residuals is not an action we’d repeat, according to statements Patric Verrone has made.
And “working with the DGA/WGA template” as AFTRA did has only resulted in more entertainment professionals taking a bad deal. The Screen Actors Guild is right to work to better it.
Well it’s obvious that all of the shills were immediately sent here upon the news of the dissenting actors. Damn, you people are fast when you need that paycheck before Christmas!
All of this “cooler heads” talk is a pile of crap. It insinuates (again) that SAG is the hothead in this issue. Same old AMPTP talking points, same old scare tactics, same old spin. And it is old – and getting very stinky.
I don’t know where Mike Farrell gets off making public statements against his own union – again (see the U4S debacle). I guess his panties are still in a wad that Unite For Strength didn’t completely obliterate Membership First and take over SAG in some coup de grace in his mind. Does anybody really give a left-handed shit what Mike Farrell thinks? He’s become the “Screech” of the M*A*S*H television cast legacy.
But I’m not surprised that DeVito (mostly a producer) is spouting off, and his wife Rhea (her livelihood is their production company) is right to support her husband. Okay, whatever. Actor/Producers shouldn’t even get to speak publicly as they’re in a conflict of interests, and using their celebrity status to attempt to sway their fellow actors is shameful. Yeah, a strike would be hurtful to the DeVitos – the producers, not the actors.
Arye Gross? Amy Aquino? Wait – lemme get out my TV Guide to find out who these people are… (Yes, I know who they are. Barely.)
I would love to hear from some star actors who are not producers, or who have nothing to gain financially from speaking out against SAG’s endeavors. What say you, rich people? Dare you show solidarity with your fellow SAG members? Against? Either side – c’mon. A well though-out, constructively criticized argument against passing a strike authorization, please. Let’s have it.
*crickets*
And again, I have to reiterate (no matter what you blockheads try to spin from SAG’s statements): a strike authorization is just that – it’s not a strike. A strike authorization is a [very effective] negotiating tool, NOT A STRIKE! It is a step away from a strike, but NOT A STRIKE. A strike authorization does not mean SAG has to strike. Stop saying that SAG wants to strike. We don’t. How many times do we have to say or write it? You’re like little children arguing with mommy that you didn’t eat the cookies, but you have chocolate all over your mouth.
And if the AMPTP’s lack of good-faith bargaining in fact leads to a strike, the authorization will have been the last step before said strike. Which is what Rosenberg is talking about.
Other than the letter writers, no one who commented in favor of a “no” vote had the courage of their convictions to sign their real names. I will assume these are not real people, but shills of the AMPTP.
If I am wrong, prove me wrong and identify yourself.
DANNY DEVITO is a PRODUCER on over 30 films and television shows in the last 15 years– so on average he produces at least 2 projects a year.
While I appreciate RICH producers telling me how to vote, it’s only because I know to do the opposite.
He’s certainly entitled to his opinion, but how is it worthy of a news story? Oh, because he’s famous…Pppppppplease.
If you vote NO you’re fucked. That’s it. You’ll get nothing. Stand up for something. Back down now and you are fucked!!
Oh, and a strike vote isn’t the same thing as a strike. Some of you all need to get yourselves a dictionary.
An engagement doesn’t mean your married, buying life insurance doesn’t mean you’re suicidal, a law against murder doesn’t mean we’re all going to be arrested, and a strike authorization doesn’t mean we’re on strike.
Learn something about the issues. Read the NY Times article from July 12, 2007 when the producers bragged of their plan to do away with Hollywood residuals all together in the upcoming contracts. Changing the definition of words because you’re frustrated isn’t really the sturdiest platform.
The scariest part is the pride some of you take in your ignorance.
Out of the 24 comments left on this post, does a single person know what ‘better deal’ means? For the 15% of SAG members that earn more than $5,000 a year for acting services it means a couple hundred bucks. For those who work regularly on network shows and make $100,000 + per year it means a couple thousand dollars.
Alan Rosenberg is going to get his face on the cover of the LA Times at the expense of an entire industry. It’s insane. If you want to know why this strike is happening, seriously happening, go to SAG.org and take a peek at the mug staring right at you. Alan is getting top billing and that’s why everyone is going to strike.
Meanwhile, AFTRA has just taken over jurisdiction of television. So, whether or not SAG stikes, I hope everone’s AFTRA memberships are current if they want to work in TV.
Seriously folks… how can SAG even contemplate a strike right now with ZERO leverage?
Facts:
1. The studio heads are thugs.
2. SAG is getting screwed.
3. The threat of a strike by SAG has not one studio or network exec worried in the least bit.
Clearest fact of all:
1. the studio heads are not going to give SAG a better or different deal then they gave the other unions. They’re just not. Period.
If SAG goes on strike (which WILL happen if a strike authorization is voted on), the studios will use it as an opportunity to reduce their output even further and the networks will use it as an opportunity to put on even more crappy reality shows (or shoot shows under AFTRA jurisdiction). Audiences will take a hike and things will continue to suck for years in a business that’s already been decimated.
The SAG strategy (if you want to call it that) has been flawed from day one. It really is the gang that can’t shoot straight. They’ve been threatening a strike from the beginning. The AMPTP didn’t care about a WGA strike and they certainly feel they can ride out a SAG strike. They’re schmucks. They’ll hold the actors out of work for 101 days just to make a point. It scares the hell out of me the likes of Alan Rosenberg hold the fate of our industry in their hands.
Sorry guys. You have no leverage and this ain’t the year to make your stand. The sooner you realize that, the better we’ll all be. Swallow the bitter pill and hire some real negotiators to help you out in three years. that’s the best you’re gonna be able to do.I’m sorry and it sucks, but that’s the reality of the situation.
GuysYouHaveNOLeverage,
After you finish posting today, don’t forget to get my dry cleaning and get the Benz washed.
- Nick Counter
PS: Keep up the “no leverage” bit. Let’s hope they buy it because as you know my corporate masters are shaking over the possibility of a strike, especially since IATSE seems to be waking up. Why else would they be fighting so hard to avoid a strike authorization vote if we weren’t scared? Because we care about the economy? HA HA HA HA. Plenty of leverage to go around, but we can’t have those mouthy actors knowing about it!
Go ahead and strike SAG. By all means, if you feel you’re getting short-changed, you have every right to.
Meanwhile my friends and I over here on the east coast, like during the Writer’s Strike, will be watching BBC programs, maybe some Anime too, we’ll be playing a whole lot of video games and maybe even picking up a book.
And then when the strike is over and you’ve won your battle (or lost it, as it seems WGA has), there won’t be any new episodes of any of our favorite shows for us to watch which means… we’ll be watching BBC programs, maybe some Anime too, we’ll be playing a whole lot of video games and maybe even picking up a book.
In other words, don’t think for a second that you aren’t replaceable. You are. And the longer TV stays in limbo, the less we twenty-somethings will care to tune in.
Yes, you know it’s rabid, foaming at the mouth time when people start trotting out that tired old “AMPTP Shills” rhetoric against anyone who opposes them. Mend fences with AFTRA, hire the biggest ballbuster lawyers you can find, clean some serious house and raise hell in three years. Because right now, you guys — and everyone else in town — are screwed if you walk out.
Hey SAG, it’s time to put up or shut up…call for the strike vote already!
I actually hope the verdict is “yes” and SAG actually strikes.
Then I’ll get hours of entertainment reading the posts on this blog on how people are losing their houses, their cars, declaring bankruptcy, (basically admitting they made a huge mistake,) all because a majority of union members don’t understand basic economics or buisness.
So, “bring it” idiots. I’ve got my popcorn ready.
Curious wrote, “Out of the 24 comments left on this post, does a single person know what ‘better deal’ means? For the 15% of SAG members that earn more than $5,000 a year for acting services it means a couple hundred bucks.”
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If the “better deal” were truly this puny paltry amount of a few $200 payments you pretend why wouldn’t the AMPTP give over to SAG’s demands instantly to avoid this labor dispute. Are you suggesting the AMPTP conglomerate is SO penny wise and pound foolish?
Ppppppppplease.
I’m not on the wagon that suggests everyone with differing opinion posting here is a shill for the AMPTP, but you raise an argument that is so alarmist, far from the the truth, and exactly in tune with the absurd letter you, rather they, wrote in the LA Times you make me curious, Curious.
Are you all aware that while SAG watches midwilshire burn, the networks are all signing all their new shows to AFTRA? Where will the revenue base be in three years with that? SAG can open a new branch on the moon to service puppetry and holograms.
Danny DeVito is right… vote NO.
Alan Rosenberg just wants his face out there in the spotlight. He has no career in acting so he has nothing to lose. Beware a man who enters a fight with nothing to lose.
Membership has to give SAG the vote to strike and then pray to God they won’t use it. But before then, someone needs to step in and try to get SAG to sign the contract because the producers have the bunkers and the rest of us are on the front line hoping a war is avoided.
If SAG strikes, I’m gonna be auditioning for a whole lot of AFTRA pilots in February and March.
A strike by SAG would eliminate it from primetime television. Think SAG’s percentage of network programming is bad now? Wait until next season!
I hope Richard Masur is getting some pleasure from knowing he was correct in predicting what would happen if our two unions refused to merge.
I’m opting for the least bad of two bad choices and voting no on the strike authorization.
Membership has to give SAG the vote to strike and then pray to God they won’t use it. But before then, someone needs to step in and try to get SAG to sign the contract because the producers have the bunkers and the rest of us are on the front line hoping a war is avoided.
Lauren
“And then when the strike is over and you’ve won your battle (or lost it, as it seems WGA has), there won’t be any new episodes of any of our favorite shows for us to watch which means… we’ll be watching BBC programs, maybe some Anime too, we’ll be playing a whole lot of video games and maybe even picking up a book.”
No you won’t. You’ll come right back lol!
To all these alleged vote NO “working actors”–
You understand that by accepting the deal on the table you will get a one-time buy out for all future airings of any show or film you work on–and that’s it forever? There will be no residuals for you while the producers make money in perpetuity off your image on any and every film and TV show.
You understand in this new media age all TV will be watched on the internet. The internet cable is already in your living room bring you the internet and TV. BUT soon it will all be delivered with a slight reconfiguration through the internet. It’s there already in that cable.
Sure the new internet TV bill will look the same, the TV will act the same, but the feed will not be to your “cable box” it will be to your “internet box.” And that little adjustment–through the technology that already exists– will mean on your TV in your own living room you and the family are watching new media.
Same for DVD– click your TV’s internet box menuy and have a movie streamed to your TV with no hard copy DVD and no residuals because it is, you guessed it, New Media.
The new technology will seamlessly deliver TV and film on demand to your TV through your internet box and it’s all new media. You got your few hundred bucks for your buyout under the new contract and it will run and run and run and you, like Gilligan, will get nothing, nada, zilch.
That’s the future. And the future is here today. Are we really to believe all you “working actors” are so willing to sign that away forever? Right now? Really?
Is it that you are ill-informed about the future, or that you are not really “working actors” at all?
is there any sense of how this vote will go? i mean, they knew down to the electoral vote how the election would play out. i guess they don’t do polling for strike authorization votes.
So let’s do our own poll. How are you voting? yes, YOU?
Do you even listen to yourselves, stop acting selfish for five minutes, and think about what the strike would do to small mom and pop shops who depend on the acting business to keep them going. If you strike most of them will go out of business.
Oh wait you don’t care about that, it’s all about #1, sticking it to the “MAN”
Do you all live inside a bubble? Do you not care about the economy? We are in a recession, now is not the time for strike.
Geez, you guys are sounding more like the Big 3 automakers. “Please Sir can I have some more.” With your hand out, we can’t take what all the other unions get, because were SAG, better than everyone else.
With your militant attitude towards anyone who isn’t on your side, to your inner fighting, and to your holier than thou attitude, it’s no wonder SAG is where it’s at.
What makes SAG so special, not to take the original deal? SAG hasn’t explained that, they haven’t made a clear valid point, all I see is it’s about ME ME ME!
Maybe if Hollywood made decent films and TV shows I might agree, most everything is crap.
Maybe when SAG finds actors that can actually act, other than look good, I might understand, over half of Hollywood can’t act worth shit, especially those on Television. There are only a small handful, that really have talent. Jensen Ackles, is one of the few who does have talent.
Most just read from a script and pretend they have talent. Patrick Dempsey anyone!
Can you all just stop thinking about yourselves, and think about others for a change. Be thankful you have a job you love to do.
Now hear this. All SAG actors on this board, and in the United States, must vote no on the Strike Authorization at once. This includes you mheister. I don’t know what you are thinking, but the SAG isn’t your friend. You can trust us because we are your friends. Super big media has always been here for you and that was true since the beginning of time. If you don’t like it, sorry but there will be no jobs for you. Finally, you are destroying my retirement by fighting like this. Give up at once. There is no hope. The way you are fighting us, I have to cut my $3 million per year pension down to a $2.5 million a year pension. That stupid idiot Patric Veronne already cut it from $5.5 million simply because my dirt poor members have to pay 5 cents everytime a show or movie is broadcast over the internet after 17 to 24 days. I am crying poverty here. Give the old man a break and let him retire once you accept our final offer. If you don’t accept it, SAG will be toast anyway because we will funnel money into AFTRA and they will become the only actors guild. God bless patron saint Roberta Reardon.
Nick Counter out!!!
Couple of points here:
1. DeVito and Farrel are not “scabs” for writing the letters, a scab is one who crosses a picket line and works during a strike – Mike and Danny are actually good union members excercising their right to expess their opinions in the union process.
2. If SAG’s board truly believes in the “educational” process before sending the vote out for ratification or rejection, they should make the same amount of Union time AND money available to opposing opinions just like this country does with voter pamphlets which show rational arguments from Both sides – fair is fair, right?
This is about educationg voters, right?
I love Danny Devito as an actor – no respect for him as a PRODUCER. But just one respectful question Sir…
if you are such a SAG supporter….and afterall you have benefitted so much from SAG & SAG residuals…why is the show you are producing under an AFTRA contract? BUCKS $!
Why don’t you donate the money you made from TAXI residuals alone to our Union? That would be nice….and where would you be today if all those TAXI episodes where not re-run on tv/cable but HULU….
how would you have lived then?
Put your money where your mouth is and donate all TAXI residuals to SAG.
End of Story….
Hello Enough:
Don’t you think we’ve supported your mom & pop stores enough?
It’s you who want to live off actors…get lost.
I’m sick of us actors supporting you and hearing this shit in return.
go away you leach.
Stubborn SAG has a 20th century mentality in a 21st century world. The world will leave you behind.
Adapt and change, or die.
It took me about 10 seconds to spot the flaw in DeVito’s argument:
“if we plan and work together with our sister unions we will have incredible leverage.”
My prediction for next time: DGA sell out, WGA push to the absolute minimum, followed by bounce SAG into a crappy deal.
I think I’ll refrain from jumping into the major points of the conflict except to make one quick to to all the well-meaning folks who continually argue that a strike authorization vote does not mean a strike will occur. I keep getting struck by how familiar this argument sounds, and then it hit me last night while watching Olbermann: in 2002, the US Congress did NOT vote to invade Iraq. They merely authorized the president to use force if he felt he had exhausted all other means to negotiate settlement.
Understand: I’m not making a pro or con argument as to the efficacy or moral legitimacy of a strike here. I am saying, however, that if you are a SAG member and you vote for authorization, the justification that you are only voting for authorization is a fallacy. You will be voting for a strike, and that is exactly what will happen. Now, if you believe that a labor action is the right thing to do, by all means have at it.
You should not buy into the argument that an authorization is merely a bargaining chip. That is a Rovian piece of political misdirection meant to make a positive vote easier for people on the fence to swallow – John Kerry & Hillary Clinton in 2002, say. If you vote yes, you are voting to shut down the industry in order to get yourself and your peers a better deal. Nothing more, nothing less.
I’m with DiVito on this. The only way to battle AMPTP is to merge, witht he three years when all the unions will be negotiating at the same time and then join forces to face AMPTP. Isn’t it curious that so many who post hear are afraid to own their own opinions and post anonymously? In particular, the most vehement ones are the most cowardly. If you feel so strongly about this matter, why not put your name to your words?
does anyone know how to connect to a site that is organizing to opppose this stupidity of a strike?
GuyYouHaveNoLeverage -
Au contraire, so long as SAG has solidarity it has a lot of leverage.
If the BBC, Canadian, Aussie, and “reality” programming were all that, the networks would have dumped their more own more expensive scripted programming long ago. Fact is, a lot of that foreign product is either not up to American standards or doesn’t have enough of an American sensibility to draw eyeballs in the States in the numbers the networks and their advertisers are accustomed to. Also, “reality” as a genre is getting quite tired overall. It’s cheaper to produce, but it has almost no second-run or syndication value, especially compared to CSI, Law & Order, Trek, and a bevy of sitcoms.
The studios also have quite a few features currently in production and more in the pipeline. They can’t exactly turn to AFTRA to get those done. Also, they can’t convert current successful shows like CSI from SAG to AFTRA either.
While we all hope it doesn’t, it may take a work stoppage and some solid labor action work to bring the AMPTP to their senses. But SAG’s back is to the wall, and the moguls are giving the actors no other choice.
MILLIONAIRE ACTOR/PRODUCERS PRESCRIBE AUTO-CASTRATION FOR LESS FORTUNATE SAG MEMBERS. “WE don’t worry about residuals or new-media jurisdiction. Neither should YOU!”
Question for those who are beating the drum for strike authorization, but claiming it will not lead to a strike. Does SAG have smaller ego and balls than most unions?
I ask that as someone who lives in union labor country. I can recall perhaps a half a dozen times when a strike authorization vote has not led to a strike, damned near all others have. Some of them have been short, less than a week, others have lasted until the company goes FU and closes the shop and moves to Mexico.
Looking at the egos and issues involved in this I doubt that it would be a weeklong strike and then a return to negotiations. Which is SOP for some unions here in the Rust Belt, it looks more like one that will ugly and long.
Just an observation from someone who has seen these actions repeated for years. Even if you win you need to prepare to have gained the hatred of those who took it on the chin due to your guild’s actions.
I have seen it happen in the steel, construction, and transportation industries. The block layers who used to be willing to help out the electricians now calling the general contractor and stating that they had to work OT due to the electricians screw-up, or the tow-motor (fork-lift) operator who will no longer help the teamster shift his load around to make the truck-driver’s next couple stops easier.
Realize that if you vote a strike authorization, more than likely you will strike. So plan ahead, not just financially but professionally and try not to allow others to burn your bridges.
PS: Keep up the “no leverage” bit. Let’s hope they buy it because as you know my corporate masters are shaking over the possibility of a strike, especially since IATSE seems to be waking up.
Comment by Venice — December 3, 2008 @ 6:09 pm
Venice, what exactly are you hoping the sleeping tiger of IATSE membership will bring to the table? With a no strike clause, and no ability to actually influence the contract negotiations, any membership discontent is just that.
My guess is that most IATSE members won’t even be bothered to return their ballots, the same locals that had a decent “no vote” turn out last time will again this time (44, 728 and 600,) the contract will still pass, and the majority of the membership will complain about it.
Company town, company unions, all of them. It will take more organization and unity than anyone has demonstrated to date to change that.
BTW, this new IATSE contracts has some stiff roll backs in the Health Care area, but arguably no stiffer than the last one.
In support-
Dude, I don’t own a shop you idiot. I was talking about those who make costumes/sell them, catering jobs and stuff you need for movies and TV.
This is the type of militant attitude I was talking about, either you have to be for SAG or you’re considered evil and bad. *rolls eyes*
At least I don’t live in a bubble, I see what’s going on in the real world I know we are in a recession. Hell maybe I should head to Washington and demand a hand out, because that’s all everyone seems to be doing, instead of taking responsibility for their own failures.
SAG failed to get a contract, the leaders failed because they spent too much time bickering and fighting among themselves. Instead of dealing with the studios like they should have been.. Stop blaming the studios for being the assholes they are, and start putting the blame on SAG leaders and the studios, both parties are to blame.
At least I felt sorry and supported the WGA, they made a good case.
Nobody cares what Mike Farrell thinks.
We want to know what Wayne Rogers thinks.
Vote YES or you will NEVER, EVER GET ANYTHING FROM THEM! I’m telling you, hurt them now anyway you can. Cancel award shows, hurt them. I worked for these people. I heard what they say about you behind closed doors. They think you’re a joke. And they will never, ever give you anything unless you put a gun to their heads and cock it and fire! You have to break their ankles and put a horse head in their beds. That’s the only way you will EVER get anything from them. Their plan is always to lie, lie, lie, lie, and get you to fold. We were told that all the time. Spread lies that cause fear. And sorry, but this waiting three years thing won’t work either. They will be entrenched by then and have a new and better plan to take you down. And, they will have figured out how to completely cheat you out of your new media money by then. You’re only chance to get anything is to step on their throats. That’s all they respond to. Until, you do that, you’re wasting your time. They won’t sweat until you get some serious BALLS and step on them. It’s up to you.
‘To those in favor of strike action’, I think you need to open your eyes to the bigger picture here and give the gung-ho mentality a rest.
‘Stand up and fight for us! Don’t give in! Get us what we deserve!’ are words that frankly sicken us given that we are OFFICIALLY in a recession.
Crews and rental houses can only sit by and watch these egomaniacs snatch our bread & butter from under our very noses with no way of ever being able to recover it. We deserve a break and are the silent victims of greed and the obvious quest for greatness by SAG hierachy.
Bitten by the WGA, thankful to the DGA, pleading to SAG………NOT NOW!!
Producers DeVito and his wife want actors to make as little money as possible. That’s why they produce under AFTRA. They want to produce TV and film under SAG jurisdiction by paying actors as little as possible as well, so would like actors to forget about residuals, payment for promoting product, or anything else that would cause them to have to reach into their pockets and give money to actors.
Farrell gets off on criticizing current SAG leadership, including “not having a plan.” He offers absolutely nothing, however, as an alternative plan to authorizing work stoppage. He’s like the bitter spouse who belittles everything you do, and says “no” to every alternative you lay out. Yet when you ask him what he’d like to do, he has no answer. His only wants to say no to all alternatives anybody else comes up with, instead of setting forth any positive constructive options. He’s like a political opponent who’s only stance on everything is “no, to whatever the other guy says,” and offers absolutely no constructive alternative.
Aquino and gross say vote “no” because they “read the press” and don’t think SAG has exhausted all alternatives to a work stoppage. Apparently they have some brilliant way to get producers to negotiate and/or can note some specific way to get producers to the table to negotiate, but don’t wish to share with the rest of us what that alternative is. Instead, they tell us to vote “no” without a moment of reflection of what a “no” vote will trigger.
I have yet (despite having asked many times) for no voters to say with specificity what they think will happen if we promise producers we won’t strike with a “no” vote. They all imply (though why they won’t simply say it) that they’d like us to accept producers’ current ungodly offer. Yet, not a single one of them acknowledge the fact that 87.5% of those who cared enough to answer the poll believe the current offer is absolutely unacceptable. Nor do they tell us any means by which membership is ever going to get the chance to accept producers’ disgusting non-negotiable offer, given that the board is never going to put that one up to membership vote.
Nobody can think of any logical reason whatsoever of why producers won’t pull the current piece of garbage non-negotiable offer and offer something far worse if they’re assured we won’t strike.
So I’ll ask again, though I expect no thoughtful response. For anybody who thinks they’ll vote “no,” thereby guaranteeing producers there’s nothing we will do that would concern them, what exactly do you think is going to happen?
Of course a strike authorization vote may lead to a strike. During another SAG negotiation a couple of years ago, the authorization vote did not lead to a strike, so, yes, a strike authorization vote may be an effective bargaining tool. OTOH, we must be prepared to walk off the job, staff picket lines, and do the other demanding work involved in a 21st century labor stoppage.
A lot of actors have recent experience with this from the WGA strike. We have some idea of what will be required of us.
President Rosenberg has said time and again that nobody wants a strike. The AMPTP is forcing this. To reiterate, when the rollbacks the AMPTP is still demanding are seen in light of their headlong efforts to move all content delivery to the Internet, this becomes the most important negotiation for SAG since Jimmy Cagney was leading the charge.
We’re not the ones throwing the first punch here, but for the continued viability of the guild, and acting as a profession, we must put ourselves in a good position to be throwing the last punch.
Spin-free analysis of strike authorization versus strike.
Fact: L.A. Film production has come to a near stand-still because producers fear a SAG strike will halt productions.
Fact: Various reports indicates that studio heads believe that the 2009-2010 film roster is in deep trouble because of their unilateral defacto lockout; They are demonstrating this belief by apparently seriously ramping up film production in early 2009.
Fact: You don’t buy $100K ads if you don’t fear a strike.
So as I see it, if AMPTP is unwilling to risk their jobs over a film roster disaster for 18 months which will get them tossed from their prospective jobs, they will finally negotiate.
If, on the other hand, it’s important enough for studio heads to make the full run at breaking SAG — with all unions to come later, and if they don’t care that it will be their successors reaping the benefit of their strike breaking activity, because they will have been fired for decimating film profits for 2009-2010, we will be left no reasonable alternatives than the call their unfortunate mexican-standoff and strike.
And if that’s the case, it will be long, and it won’t be pretty.
For me personally, with my vote, I will not sanctify our union formally allowing non-union shoots within our jurisdiction. I will not willingly march around prominently displaying a can of Pepsi so that they can have their promotion for free and a SAG member will lose the job for the commercial they no longer need. And over my dead body will I go down any road to the eventual destruction of residuals.
I hope producers don’t choose to risk the financial solvency of the studios and consider it more important to break SAG now in return for decimating film profits for 18 months.
Truth is that’s that’s their call. Not ours.
I will not tempt producers to stick it to us further by denying the union leadership we elected the possibility of calling a strike, thereby guaranteeing producers they can fuck us as hard as they want with no repercussions.
Over my dead body will I give up residuals, a.k.a. profit sharing, without a fight for absolutely as long as it takes.
I suspect with a “yes” vote, we still have a hell of a fight in front of us. It won’t be pretty.
I suspect that with a “no” vote, we get the same fight, only we will have unilaterally and voluntarily put down the only weapon our contractural adversary takes serious, as demonstrated with their actions.
We’ll see if the other membership feels the same. But I do feel we know the consequences of a yes vote, and it isn’t necessarily pretty.
But I feel more strongly that a “no” vote equals negotiation suicide, with no upside of which I’m aware.
When producers fear strike, as they do, we have no better than a non-negotiable offer many of us (but not all) feel is completely unacceptable. Ask yourself, if you were a producer, what on earth would motivate you to not offer SAG LESS after they promise you they won’t strike? If you feel the currently unacceptable offer is on the table for any reason but fear of a strike — instead of less — we simply strongly disagree based on what I’ve seen from AMPTP negotiation tactics, past and present.
In Solidarity
There’s been a lot of talk about “egos” aimed at, in particular, Alan Rosenberg and Doug Allen. Another attempt at divisiveness and mud-slinging at SAG.
In case you people haven’t been reading, a SAG Negotiating Committee is making these decisions – a committee including newly elected U4S people (hello, Mike Farrell) – and are overwhelmingly in favor of the current strike authorization vote. As is the SAG National Board – 100% in favor of the work of the NegCom.
Nice try (again) smearing hard-working people with an unbelievable difficult task. Which is bullshit. Which is why we call you people “shills” for the AMPTP. I also don’t believe that every one of you dissenters is a shill. But when these baseless “opinions” are spouted with no other intent than to breed discord within SAG’s ranks (which is AMPTP’s #1 goal at the moment), it’s pretty clear where some of you are coming from.
Should the authorization vote fail (which I seriously doubt) and SAG is forced to take some form of the current AMPTP offering, I hope that in three years Mike, Danny and Rhea are the first to sit at the bargaining table with the AMPTP, and then bring up the things we’d have to give away today – so that the AMPTP could laugh them out of the room.
“Fight another day”, my ass.
A strike authorization vote should be sent out soon! A lot of studios have big features that have re-shoots scheduled for first thing in the new year. I’m sure it would put a dent in things to not have those completed and ready for their scheduled 2009 releases. There are TV Series planning to start back up again in January as well instead of their usual spring starts or summer starts. I wonder why? Concern over a strike maybe? Or just coincidence? I would guess it must be the former, not the latter.
does anyone know how to connect to a site that is organizing to opppose this stupidity of a strike?
Comment by kathy joosten
Absolutely, Kathy. With two emmies under your belt, I am absolutely positive that http://www.amptp.org/ would graciously post any testimonials you wish to give them to help organize the “no” vote against any ridiculous strike. There is absolutely no reason that any well known actress such as yourself who hasn’t worked for scale + 10% + residuals for years should rely on any better contract to get her quote price. And I don’t mean to be offensive, Kathy, but with your mortality table, I cannot image why you care about residuals anyway. Honey, I love you, but you’ve lived a long and productive life, and there’s no reason you should care about deferred compensation you won’t live to see.
Since we both agree that a strike is stupid, and the “no” vote is being organized, I hope you don’t mind that I contacted the ad agencies and the manufacturers of the products in the several national commercials that are currently starring you. Since we’re on the same page, and the producers are Desparate Housewives are dear friends of mine, we all agree that you’ll be all too happy to promote those products within the show and allow the producers to keep the product placement compensation for themselves without burdening your mailbox with complex compensation checks. Having known you for years, I know your time is valuable. Why have to take days off to shoot national commercials when you can just promote the product during the show? It’s a silly use of your time, and I’m glad you want to convince the membership to vote “no” rather than fight to be compensated for “in show” product placement.
I’ve heard rumors that Mrs. Landingham will now be wearing “Depends” outside of her normal clothes for the entire next season, to add an extra dimension to the mental deterioration of your character. We’ll all have fun with it, without having to free up your schedule to have to shoot any silly national commercial campaigns separately. Win-win.
Regardless, I hope a person in your position will indeed join us and lend your support to the most organized “no” campaign on the planet: Ours. You’ve long ago earned the right to not be concerned with what rank and file SAG members make, and not to share their concerns. A strike will not help you or those who have earned a position of prominence in the acting community such as yourself. We encourage you to convince all other above-scale actors whom the strike would not benefit to work with us to put a ridiculous end to this “strike” foolishness. Why should emmy winners have to degrade themselves to the concerns of those who haven’t made it to the level you have? It’s absurd.
We congratulate you on your success at such an ripe age, and agree with you fully that a strike would waste a disproportionate amount of the limited time we are going to be blessed enough to have you among us. After you’re gone, it will be much easier for us to enjoy your fine work for dozens of years to come, via internet streaming, without getting caught up in such time consuming nonsense as which heirs of yours to which we would otherwise have to disburse residuals for many years.
Thank you for the opportunity to join us in organizing the “no” vote. We look forward to you lending your “name” voice to our sensible cause, against the bunch of losers who’s acting efforts are not recognized like yours. You are the cranky old hag gossipy bitch of our generation, and we feel that you lending your logical arguments to our organized “no” vote is a real godsend, especially since no actor of note has lended theirs to the “yes” vote.
Let cooler and more mature heads prevail. Bless you, my love.
Wow Shrew Runner, disrespectful much?
Maybe Joosten doesn’t care to go on strike because unlike most of its supporters, she actually is working.
Most working actors I know think a strike is a bad idea. I think the best solution was suggested up above – organize with the other unions to get everything right in 3 years, rather than screwing everyone else.
Screw Runner:
In 3 years? Get it right? hah! that sounds like a pipe dream if I ever heard one. I’m sure the AMPTP hopes you, and anyone else that thinks the same – keeps on smokin’ whatever it is you’re smokin’! Must be some really good stuff!
It is so great to see the letter from Danny DeVito and his wife. Finally some smart actors who realize how terrible it would be for their fellow actors to be out of work right now. Any actors that are currently working should consider themselves extremely fortunate. A strike would be a disaster for everyone….the actors, the city, the state, people that make their living in the entertainment industry, etc, etc….
STRIKE = big mistake, utter stupidity & ignorant leadership by SAG
Wow! SAG wont settle because they think they deserve more than the rest of the Unions in Hollywood.Once again they are proving what the rest of the industry already knows. SAG is a bunch of vain, undeserving crybabies who do NOT deserve the respect from the rest of the entertainment community that they obviously think they have earned. Go ahead and strike. I hope you all lose your homes. Solidarity my ass.
Oh by the way SAG- If you strike you better not count on the rest of the Unions in this town that normally look out for you. Your gonna look like crap on camera and nobodies going to be there to care. You obviously only have your interests at heart so why should any of us care about you anymore. See ya in the unemployment line.
For everyone saying an authorization to Strike is not a Strike, I remind you of the last time I heard such a ludicrous remark. The Senate did a similar thing authorizing Bush to go to war if all negotiations failed, How long did those negotiations go on before our government went to war with Iraq. So don’t kid yourselves that this vote is anything but a vote to go on Strike. I think it is disgusting to willfully put thousands of people who have no vote out of work in a worldwide economical crisis. Who are you people anyway.