There were no protests outside the Harmony Gold theater. It was standing room only inside the full room. A few people stayed in line for seats as they opened up. But many SAG members in good standing showed up for the limited 455 seating at the guild’s Town Hall confab about the coming Strike Authorization Vote and had to be turned away. They were told there would be another meeting in a much larger venue at the Hollywood Renaissance hotel next Wednesday, December 17th. [In NYC, SAG changed the date of its Town Hall meeting at the Westin Times Square to next Monday, December 15th, to accomodate those who work on Broadway.] Meanwhile, I’m told the Strike Authorization ballots will go out right after Christmas to SAG’s 120,000 members. More than 75% of those returned would have to vote “yes” to give SAG leadership the added negotiating leverage of a strike authorization.
I was informed by attendees that inside tonight’s session, the dais consisted of SAG President Alan Rosenberg, Executive Director & Chief Negotiator Doug Allen, Deputy National Executive Director for Contracts Ray Rodriguez, Hollywood Division 1st National Vice-President Anne-Marie Johnson, and Negotiating Committee chief David Jolliffe. First, there were opening statements. Then a question-and-answer session was held with the members in the audience. ”About 99% of those who spoke were exceedingly supportive and said ‘Yes, we need a strike authorization vote.’ I was shocked. The people on the dais even got a lot of standing ovations,,” one attendee told me. “But you never know about those people who didn’t speak.” One member asked SAG leaders to clarify why the WGA writers haven’t been paid their New Media residuals by the studios and networks. And an IATSE member who’s also a SAG member complained about the lousy terms including Health Plan rollbacks he thought IA had negotiated with the AMPTP representing Big Media. The SAG leaders responded by explaining the difficulties of dealing with the AMPTP which refuses to bargain in good faith with not just SAG but all the Hollywood guilds. Towards the end of the meeting, SAG board member Frances Fisher, who was the last speaker, asked those still present to raise their hands if they were going to vote “yes” on the strike authorization ballot. “Some people had already left but I think everyone else put their hand up,” SAG prez Rosenberg told reporters.
Among those attending were former SAG president Ed Asner, and board members Frances Fisher, Kent McCord, Seymour Cassel and former board members Sally Kirkland and Mike Farrell, who has spoken out publicly against the Strike Authorization Vote. Recently elected National Board member Amy Brenneman, one of the leaders of the Unite For Strength campaign, also was there as well as U4S member Amy Aquino. I’m told that no U4S board members spoke at the mike. One U4S Hollywood board member was overheard commenting to others that U4S will be staging “Vote No” alternative educational campaigns on the strike authorization although none have yet been announced.
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Please publish Jason Alexander’s awesome letter.
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The spirit in the room was good, I thought.
I was already prepared to vote YES.
But, after the negotiators’ presentation, and a lively Q and A, I was even more confident that a strike authorization is the right next move.
Alan and Doug were upbeat. They talked about the positive contributions of the new members of the Negotiating Committee, who were incorporated after the September Board elections.
Doug’s presentation included a point-by-point demonstration of why the AMPTP’s cookie-cutter drive to force their “template” on us is irrational and unfair.
One of Alan and Doug’s most telling points: S.A.G. doesn’t want a “better” deal than the other guilds. We have to have a DIFFERENT deal — one that addresses the specific needs of actors, which are very different from the needs of crew members or directors.
Alan said that he had contacted several high-profile members. He reported that, when he laid out the issues, most, if not all of them agreed that we have to give our negotiators the authorization.
One anti-authorization leader, Mike Farrell, was present. He left early, without speaking.
A former Board member made a point I agree with:
Even if we don’t succeed in achieving the super-super-majority needed to authorize a potential strike, WE DO NOT HAVE TO SIGN no stinking last offer.
I’m willing to work, indefinitely, without a new contract, if that contract resembles the S.A.G.
suicide note which the AMPTP left on the table for us to sign.
The overwhelming majority of the actors in the Harmony Gold theatre were very vocal in their support of strike authorization. I hope that will translate into an effective outreach to the whole membership, giving them the facts and winning their support for our Guild.
The IATSE health deal should be a wake up call to the membership. IATSE leaders have been in bed with the AMPTP for years. IATSE members deserve better.
The problem with the SAG leadership is that they live in an echo chamber. I knew this would happen. I knew this thing would be a farse.
This thing wasn’t an information session, it was a Nuremburg Rally: ministers preaching to the choir, trying to convince others — and possibly themselves — that they enjoy more support than they do.
120,000 ballots — 435 people in attendance. Do the math.
You won’t get 75%.
Peace out.
Wow. 450 out of 120,000 waiters. Sounds like a feel-good rally. Good luck jumping off your cliff, ‘actors.’
Idiots.
Does anyone know if they were passing around any grape flavored Koolaid while an organ played?
It was not a town hall meeting, or a debate. It was a ralley!!!
The few people who had any decenting opinion were heckeled.
The leadership acts as if we have only Two choices, “Strike” or “take the contract”. I belive thre is a third choice. …………”Do nothing”…………… work under the present contract until a solution presents itself. Do not take the shitty contract they are offering at this time and do not shut the town down. This gives us time to figure out another strategy and puts the ball in the producers court. By not takeing the deal we do not give them any footing on jurisdiction. We stay in controll!
People say we, “need to have the strike Autho. as a tool”, I don’t think this administration can be trusted with that power.
The AMPTP has already voted to authorize a strike. Don’t be upset with actors.
This quote from the meeting pretty much says it all: ——Board member Anne-Marie Johnson said “most actors aren’t going to be particularly swayed by arguments about the poor economy. Actors have to spend 90% of the time not working as actors, so they’re used to having to deal with tough circumstances,” she added.————– So the fate of us all who make our LIVING working hourly and getting paid hourly only will be sealed by part time actors who feel they are above us. Ans she expects solidarity?? Happy Holidays from SAG? Vote NO!!!!
You just have to love the utter cowardice of UFS and all the anti-MF, pro-merger people. They bitch and moan on Showfax and Sagwatch and sometimes here – but their m.o. seems to always be “What just happened didn’t happen. It also didn’t mean anything even if it did happen. But it didn’t”
There are people on Showfax and Sagwatch actually saying there wasn’t a 15 to 2 vote to send out a strike authorization at the last negotiation. The “yes” votes included Richard Masur – THE biggest anti-MF officer in the union.
There are people on Sagwatch and Showfax saying SAG “didn’t exhaust all possibilities to reach an agreement” at the last negotiations, and that “SAG ended the negotiations” despite the fact that – the FEDERAL MEDIATOR ended the negotiations. They say “there was a side that wanted to make it work, and a side that didn’t want to make it work,” implying the AMPTP “wanted to make it work” and that SAG hadn’t bent over backwards during those two long days while the AMPTP didn’t offer ONE SINGLE COUNTER-PROPOSAL.
Complete opposite of reality.
And what I love the most is – where are these guys when they have their chance to speak? They’re all mouth on the blogs – all bluster and scorn and threats – but when they have the chance to step up to the mike, backed up by all their supposed supporters… where are they? Is it “well, there’s no point, we’ll be drowned out, we’ll be booed.” Even if that were true – when did THAT ever stop a person of courage and conviction speaking his mind? And if “Hollywood is divided” – where is the support at these meetings? Where was the support when the 15 to 2 vote to send out the strike authorization vote was taken. Where were the “moderates” in that room? I mean, we all know they are there, and have as much right to speak out or take action as anyone else. so – WHERE ARE THEY?
Now, of course, the blogs are already telling us – even people who were there – that last night wasn’t a show of solidarity, but, it was “preaching to the choir” it was “like a Nuremberg rally”
Wow. And where was Mike Farrel, Amy Aquino, Amy Brennamen, Ned Vaughn, etc., etc. – where were the UFS big guns?
Silent. What a farce.
I am sure everyone raised their hands in this meeting because they felt peer pressure not because they think a strike makes any logical sense. Seriously Alan R and croonies really think a strike is a good idea for their members. please! do they not see that the jobs are shrinking daily and they want to put their own people out of work. what a bad idea and what a ridiculous time to even suggest this madness.
Wow. The boo-birds will say anything to denigrate SAG and their efforts to protect actors livelihoods.
I wonder sometimes who is really out-of-touch…
what Jason Alexander letter?
Re: Mike Farrel:
I’m sure Mike’s heart is in the right place. But one reason I suspect he didn’t speak is he, like everybody who plans on denying the leadership we elected the strike authorization they will seek, is that there is no “plan” behind voting “no.” His only commentary thus far has been to bash current SAG leadership for what he perceives as past errors, and say “don’t do that” to every actual plan anybody proposes. This dwelling on past mistakes does nothing whatsoever to change where we are now. Denying the leadership authorization vote thereby guaranteeing producers we will do nothing they should rightfully be concerned about, followed by no further thought of what we do next if that happens, is not a plan. As I’ve asked over and over again, if anybody has an actual plan that starts with a “no” vote and leads somewhere potentially beneficial for SAG, please post it so that those who wish to consider it may do so.
“I’m willing to work, indefinitely, without a new contract, if that contract resembles the S.A.G.
suicide note which the AMPTP left on the table for us to sign.” [Dave Clennon].
Absolutely, Dave. It reminds me of the conversation I was having the other night with my girlfriend. I don’t understand for the life of me, in the movies or real life, why anybody is willing to do the work to dig their own grave so that they can then just be thrown into it and killed right after they assist their killers. If we should fail to get supermajority “yes,” I’m sure as hell not picking up a shovel to dig SAG’s grave and condone non-union work (among other deal killers) by approving the current joke of an offer. If the AMPTP wants to kill us (along with their 2009-2010 release rosters followed by their jobs), that’s what they’ll try to do. We don’t need to do their dirty work for them by committing suicide.
In solidarity.
Hey Dave! That’s great that you SAG peops wanna strike — so get used to it b/c you’re gonna end w minimal gains and then go right back and strike again in 3 years. This is EXACTLY why I didn’t want WGA to strike — I was the lone writer screaming how premature this all was. So I guess practice makes perfect b/c we’re all gonna go out and do it again in 3 years WHEN we have the hard, cold facts of how much the studios have made on new media and a much better idea of where it’s heading. Geniuses!!!!!
How can SAG’s “leadership” prevent stars/currently-employed/castable Guild Members from dishonoring picket lines under FiCore, or an AFTRA contract?
The “solidarity” argument will fail, in my view, to persuade actors whose allegiance is first to their family’s hungry mouths, and mortgage payments.
Rosenberg et al.’s “professionals do not work nonunion” simply reflects the thuggish small-mindset of a bygone/fleeting union era: also unpersuasive to free-thinking employable actors.
Cut a deal now Alan/Doug/Ray/Anne-Marie/David, or you’ll destroy what’s been left to your “leadership”, and the workers will abandon your little self-centered ‘revolution’ as assuredly as the workers abandoned Lenin for capitalism.
never gonna get that 75%
We are going to make sure of that.
Thank god these 450 people can teach the rest of us idiots what to do.
Sterling wrote: “there is no ‘plan’ behind voting ‘no.’”
The plan behind voting ‘No’ is, obviously, to maintain gainful employment in our struggling industry/economy.
With all due respect, hyperbole such as “We don’t need to do their dirty work for them by committing suicide” is distracting at best.
A strike is SAG Suicide. Wake up people.
I think SAG will get the 75% “YES” vote for one reason — THEY HAVE TO. If SAG members don’t vote “YES” then the AMPTP will know they have SAG by the balls, pull the current crap offer and hand them a even crappier one like IATSE’s, which is what you get when you don’t ask for anything and take whatever is offered to you.
Any of you “NO” voters consider that?
“Anonymous” above is operating under the misperception that somehow a big-name actor can instantly convert a television show from one union to the other. Or maybe shoot a feature film under AFTRA??? Simply not the case.
Going Financial Core is not the most attractive option either, as most big-name actors are interested in actually having a shot at an Oscar or a SAG award (note – actors have egos). I thought the improbable happened when famously Fi-Core Jon Voight’s name popped up as a SAG awards nominee a couple of years ago. I knew there was no way he’d win because no union loyalist was going to vote for him, no matter the quality of his performance. Voight has, in his own way, black-marked (not blacklisted, as he still gets work) himself out of an important type of respectability amongst his peers. Unless something has changed that I am unaware of, this is still the case.
And by the way, if you’re a multi-millionaire actor, how do you justify pleading the financial hardship you have to plead in order to sign the Fi-Core paperwork?
Go ahead SAG, strike.
can’t wait for Aftra to take their place.
twilight anyone?
ps. if an actor only works few days of a year and expects to survive with residuals, then he’s delusional.
no one, no even big CEOs, have the luxury to work few days and be paid for the entire year.
get a real job, since obviously you are not good enough to get booked.
“anon” you asshole.
Many actors work 360 days of the year and only get paid for a few days of work a year.
Actors don’t get paid to audition and all the other shit (work) they have to do to try to land a paying gig.
and it usually has nothing to do with an actor being “good” at their job. it is far more political.
I, for one, worked as a regular on a series for a year and a half, got great reviews, and the following year, every part I was up for went straight offer to bigger names.
it’s hard as hell for actors to “book”, unless you’re a major star.
So with all due respect, go fuck yourself.
It’s in the best interest of all SAG members to attend the next informational meeting. It’s also important to know the specifics of this contract that effectively does away with residuals no matter how the AMPTP spins it to try to make you believe it won’t. Check sag.org
The short of it is producers will do away with residuals all together and you will see how the contract they are offering does this. (SEE NY Times article 7/12/07, “Hollywood Officials Seek to End System of Paying Residuals.”)
The AMPTP will not accept any negotiation on any points in the offer. It is take it or leave it.
The contract is not the same as the WGA or DGA contract. That is a false statement being presented by the AMPTP. (Are you surprised?)
If producers don’t see we have the solidarity to back our leaders in negotoations with a YES vote on the Film & TV Strike Ballot they will also do away with all commercial residuals in those contract negotiations in the next few months. Why woudn’t they if the see we lack a united front agaisnt them? What to stop them? Do you think they want to be fair all of a sudden?
That’s it. A “no” vote will mean no residuals, PERIOD–not in commercials and not in TV and not in film. Watch it all fall away.
This is our fight. Seek information from your union and not from producers. Don’t be bothered with those who rant here. They do not know the facts. This is YOUR future. Find out your facts.
FIND OUT THE FACTS.
NOW is always the right time because later never comes.
gee, kevan, did I hit a raw nerve? are you reacting so violently because your subconcious agrees with me but your ego can’t?
I do pray for the end of residuals to be near.
studios should pay a compensation PLUS contribution for health and pension, like any other business, and that’s it.
no personal residual checks, like the three guilds are now receiving.
residuals and gross participations are the reason budgets are skyrocketing, therefore studios are cutting back productions.
and it seems that this is the direction the studio are heading. thank god.
and for the strike happy individuals that that think that the AMPTP is shaking in their boots… ah! how delusional.
like with the WGA, they want you to strike. so they can get rid of you.
so, go ahead kevan, show your carusel of insults. I like to see you squirm.