ThURSDAY AM UPDATE: Both Viacom and Time Warner Cable took their revenue battle to the brink. Less than an hour before TWC's 13.3 million subscribers were going to lose 19 Viacom channels at 12:01 AM today, the two Big Media companies came to an agreement. Here was their joint statement:
TIME WARNER CABLE, VIACOM REACH AGREEMENT IN PRINCIPLE
Networks Will Continue to Be Available On All Time Warner Cable SystemsNew York, NY - Jan. 1, 2009 — Time Warner Cable (NYSE:TWC) and Viacom (NYSE: VIA and VIA.B) jointly announced this morning that they have reached an agreement in principle to renew carriage for Viacom’s MTV Networks. The companies expect to finalize the details of the agreement over the next several days.
Glenn Britt, President and CEO of Time Warner Cable said, "We are pleased that our customers will continue to be able to watch the programming they enjoy on MTV Networks. We are sorry they had to endure a day of public disagreement as we worked through this negotiation."
Philippe Dauman, President and CEO of Viacom said, "We’ve been partners with Time Warner Cable for a long time, and we’re happy to be renewing that partnership for the benefit of their customers and our loyal viewers. It’s gratifying that we could reach an agreement that benefits not only our audiences but that is also in the best interest of both of our companies."
WEDNESDAY NOON: Viacom has rejected Time Warner Cable's request for a 15- to 30-day extension on the 12:01 AM January 1st deadline when the cable programmer
pulls its 19 channels off the 2nd largest cable system operator. I'm told Viacom and TWC had no contact throughout yesterday until news of the Big Media battle broke. Suddenly, at 8 PM, TWC came to Viacom with an increase offer and the extension request. But Viacom rejected both out of hand. "It was bogus. The low-ball offer was clearly an excuse to ask for an extension and then use that in their press acrtivity today," a Viacom source claimed to me. "After we've been trying to meet with them for several weeks, we won't consider an extension unless they're prepared to really negotiate and come across with a reasonable offer." Insiders say Viacom President/CEO Philippe Dauman stayed in his office most of today waiting to hear from his TWC counterpart Glenn Britt, but the situation remains stalled. This is turning out to be Big Media brinkmanship at its most brutal with 13.3 million cable subscribers caught in the middle.
WEDNESDAY 11:30 AM: Viacom has now answered the bashing by TWC's Britt:
Time Warner Cable’s continued rhetoric and posturing is disappointing and unproductive. We have made it clear that we welcome a credible and meaningful discussion that respects our viewers and the value our programming brings to Time Warner Cable. We remain ready and willing to engage. It’s time for serious talk – before the viewers become the victims.
WEDNESDAY 10 AM: Now it's all about the PR war between these two Big Media giants. To counter Viacom's 12-hour media blitz blasting his company, Glenn Britt, President/CEO of Time Warner Cable just issued this statement about Viacom’s "threats" to pull MTV Networks from TWC customers:
Christmas is over, but Viacom is still playing Scrooge, threatening to pull its MTV Networks off of Time Warner Cable at midnight tonight unless we ask our customers to pay exorbitant price increases.
Viacom claims their demands equate to “pennies,” but that is misleading and insulting to our customers, from whom Viacom is trying to extort another $39 million annually – on top of the hundreds of millions of dollars our customers already pay to Viacom each year. That doesn’t sound like pennies to us. Demanding that our customers pay so much more for these few networks would be unreasonable in any economy, but it is particularly outrageous given the current economic conditions.
We sympathize with the fact that Viacom’s advertising business is suffering and that their networks’ ratings have largely been declining. However, we can’t abide their attempt to make up their lost revenue on the backs of Time Warner Cable customers. We’ve negotiated in good faith and made several concessions to help reach a fair and reasonable deal. We’ve asked for an extension of the current contract while we continue to negotiate. But Viacom doesn’t appear to be interested in what’s fair and reasonable for American consumers – they’re only interested in propping up their sagging bottom line, and they are poised to pull their networks from Time Warner Cable customers tonight.
Huge price increases like what Viacom is demanding threaten the ultimate value of cable TV. Time Warner Cable is a retail distributor of products we purchase wholesale. Wholesale programming costs are rising dramatically every year, and, like all multichannel distributors, we have to pass on at least a portion of the increases to our customers. Viacom’s MTV Networks are just a few of the hundreds of channels we carry. If every channel demanded huge, double-digit increases like what Viacom is trying to force our customers to pay, it would be impossible to keep the price of cable reasonable for our customers.
Time Warner Cable has reached hundreds of distribution agreements with other networks. In fact, we currently have deals with every other cable programmer. The negotiations aren’t always easy, but we work hard to reach agreements that are fair to our customers and to both businesses.
We hope Viacom won’t pull the MTV Networks from Time Warner Cable customers, and we’ll negotiate up to the last possible minute and beyond. But ultimately, it is Viacom’s decision. We implore them to join with us to reach a fair resolution or grant an extension, and we hope they won’t carry through with their threat to take their networks away from our customers tonight.
WEDNESDAY 7 AM: It appears Time Warner Cable customer service was unprepared for the onslaught of complaints from subscribers flooding into call centers. Anecdotal evidence suggests that many reps were unaware of the dispute with Viacom, which began running news crawls below its programming that 19 channels would go dark on the cable system operation at 12:01 AM on January 1st. Viacom also placed full-page advertisements in some major market newspapers today featuring protests by its media characters, including Dora the Explorer who is shown crying because she is being taken away from her fans, or SpongeBob freaking out. Viacom is even telling viewers they can get Dora or SpongeBob back by signing onto Time Warner Cable's competitors DirecTV or Verizon. Meanwhile, Time Warner Cable is prepared to refund customers for the lost programming if a deal can't be reached by New Year's, though the amount hasn’t been determined yet. (story continued after video...)
TUESDAY: What an awful way to ring in 2009. It turns out that Viacom claims it has been trying to negotiate a "fair" renewal of its prized cable channels for months and months, but reputedly Time Warner Cable has been unresponsive and "unreasonable" so talks have stalled. The nation's 2nd largest cable system operator, in turn, claims Viacom is asking for "exorbitant" increases in carriage fees which would have to be passed along to the customer. So now this fight between the two Big Media giants will hurt cable viewers. At 12:01 AM on January 1st, just after the ball drops in Time Square, Time Warner Cable's 13.3 million subscribers will lose 19 Viacom channels -- Comedy Central; CMT: Pure Country; Logo; Palladia; MTV; MTV 2; MTV Hits; MTV Jams; MTV Tr3s; Nickelodeon; Noggin; Nick 2; Nicktoons; Spike; The N; TV Land; Vh1; Vh1 Classic; Vh1 Soul. The howling starts here, especially by parents home for the holidays with children who won't have access to their favorite shows like SpongeBob Squarepants and Dora The Explorer, and tweens/teens wanting to see new episodes of those new unreality Reality TV series The City and Bromance, and twentysomethings and older who get their news from The Daily Show With Jon Stewart or The Colbert Report.
This affects all U.S. Time Warner cable subscribers including those in New York and Los Angeles. Alex Dudley, a vice president at Time Warner Cable, the nation's second-largest cable operator, is telling reporters that the dispute with Viacom "is that they have asked for an exorbitant increase in their carriage fees and their network ratings are sagging." However, Nickelodeon is 2008’s No. 1 basic cable network, drawing the largest audience in its history. MTV, on the other hand, has seen ratings slide. Time Warner Cable claims it's "trying to hold the line on fees for our customer" -- but it's really worried that if Viacom gets its raises, then every cable programmer will want them. TWC claims Viacom has asked for fee increases of between 22% and 36% per channel, but Sumner Redstone's company maintains the increases would cost less than $.25 a month for the package of channels per subscriber who spend a fifth of total TV time watching Viacom shows but its fees make up less than 2.5% of the Time Warner cable bill. (Sports channels are paid the biggest cable premium). But Time Warner Cable also is complaining that Viacom's popular shows are rerun on Web sites where Viacom collects advertising revenue that it does not share with Time Warner. On the other hand, Viacom has staked much of its revenue-growth prospects on squeezing higher carriage rates out of its cable and satellite affiliates despite an ad slowdown and weaker ratings.
Such negotiation battles between cable networks and cable system operators have happened before and lasted merely hours. In 2004, for example, Viacom's cable channels disappeared from EchoStar's Dish Network for two days while both sides fought over the terms of a new contract. And Time Warner blocked ABC from its cable systems in New York during a breakdown in contract negotiations with parent company Disney. So this one will either end fast or go on forever. It probably will depend on how many subscribers start flooding Time Warner Cable with obscene calls or, worse, switch to satellite. Viacom has already started a hardball campaign to "Call Time Warner Cable and say 'NO' " starring The Hills and South Park.
This is Viacom's just issued statement:
This move by Time Warner Cable to force such channels as Nickelodeon, Comedy Central and MTV off the air is another example of a cable company overreaching for profit at the expense of its viewers.
The renewal we are seeking is reasonable and modest relative to the profits TWC enjoys from our networks. We have asked for an increase of less than 25 cents per month, per subscriber, which adds up to less than a penny per day for all 19 of MTV Networks’ channels. We make this request because TWC has so greatly undervalued our channels for so long. Americans spend more than 20% of their TV viewing time watching our networks, yet our fees amount to less than 2.5% of what Time Warner generates from their average customer.
Throughout the country, we have negotiated equitable license agreement renewals, or are in the final stages of renewals, with virtually every cable and satellite carrier. Nevertheless, Time Warner Cable has dismissed our efforts at a fair compromise and has effectively chosen to deny its customers some of the most popular TV shows on the air.
As a result, we are sorry to say that for Time Warner Cable customers our networks will go dark as of 12:01 on January 1st, denying Time Warner customers shows like Dora the Explorer, SpongeBob SquarePants, The Daily Show with Jon Stewart, The Colbert Report, and The Hills.
Ultimately, however, if Nickelodeon, Comedy Central, MTV and the rest of our programming is discontinued – over less than a penny per day - we believe viewers will see this behavior by their cable company as outrageous.
Time Warner Cable subscribers who are being handed a January 1st $3 monthly increase in Raleigh, Orange County, Los Angeles, and New York City are simultaneously facing the removal of beloved shows across 19 channels.
We find it a shame that Time Warner Cable remains unreasonable at this time. We hope its leadership will have a change of heart and will seek to negotiate a fair renewal agreement.
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Now that’s what I call a Christmas present. I can’t think of a better gift for America’s families than to yank MTV and Comedy Central out of everyone’s home. MTV has degenerated into exploitive reality television and bears little resemblance to its original brilliance. Comedy Central is populated by personalities that are loud, filthy, obnoxious and generally void of talent …much like the rest of television. All I can say is, “Hooray!”
I agree let them go black maybe then they will look at a bright red bottom line and think better of their blackmail.
is viacom sending out a strike authorization vote?
Balls to Time Warner! No more Colbert Report. Oh well, maybe I should go read a book instead.
Oh, just GIVE ME A REASON TO DROP YOU, TIME WARNER.
oh great. We won’t possibly get to see Watchmen until 2010 and now we might lose our TV channels, too?!
I’m switching to DirecTV if they can’t resolve this quickly.
I’m in New York, but not a Time Warner subscriber. However, I know several people who are. I’m looking forward to seeing how this all plays out… surely Time Warner will give in…
Sure, viewers will howl to Time Warner. But who can hold out longer?
Time Warner, with the many alternate channels still running.
Or Viacom, with a substantial chuck of its audience disappearing. How long before advertisers bail on Viacom programing?
Time Warner is nothing short of highway robbery. They should be outlawed! I grew up when you buy a TV and watch it. Screw this 3-4 billing each month.
You know, this could be a whole new business model for cable companies. Think of the money they’ll save if they charge people the same amount, but drive away all the major channels!
Or they could be shooting themselves in the foot at a time when a lot of people will be canceling their cable to save money.
I get the feeling that this decision was made by the same guy who told the Warners legal department to not worry about that “Fox-Watchmen nonsense.”
WOW THAT REALLY SUCKS!!!!
They won’t “bargin in good faith” ………………….. Shoes on the other foot now. Viacom will be the looser. The stock can’t take the hit. They need to take in more cash so they can continue too “NOT” pay the animators residuals.
I believe this is the first, and perhaps will be the ONLY time that I am (gulp) “happy” to have Verizon service…
I was freaking out about this until my enlightened 8 year old just reminded me that you can watch a lot of the shows mentioned above online and “whenever you want to”. Out of the mouth of babes…
On a serious note though, if I were a Time Warner customer, I would be raising hell at 12:01 and until I got my channels back. Then, I would ask for a prorated refund for the time period I didn’t get my channels that I was promised.
I want my MTV!
I already sent my complaint email to Time Warner (and Viacom) and I will start calling TW tomorrow. How insane! And I guarantee if they take away 19 channels my bill will not go down. But I watch Comedy Central every day (love “The Colbert Report” and “The Daily Show”) and do not want to watch shows on my small computer screen. So let the complaints begin.
Mark this moment. It’s the first time I have been glad to be a Comcast customer.
Time Warner Cable blows…I dumped their ass years ago for AT&T Uverse. Directv and/or Dish are all much better options.
So long Time Warner. Hello satellite or FIOS.
I am a Time Warner Cable customer and I am on their side with this one. I am sick of all these stations demanding more money that is placed on the customer. In Ohio the Big Ten Network did this at a threat we would lose the OSU games. Then it was the WWHO and PAX channels. Now this? I’m sorry but I hope Time Warner Cable doesn’t give in and Viacom loses out or stops asking for more money. Stop making the customer foot the bill because these companies want extra BILLIONS of dollars from us. Viacom probably already makes BILLIONS as it is. What they want an extra company paid vacations and company paid vacation homes to add to their already exhuberant lifestyle. Find your money elsewhere and not us. We already have to bill out the banks and autodealers because they can’t manage their money and want more of it. We already pay ridiculous amounts for gas prices because the oil companies are greedy. Until there is a stop to it the selfish rich will continue to get richer while the poor continue to pay for it all. I am tired of having my 9 to 5 40-hour a week job pay for everybody elses expenses. What about my own thankyouverymuch! Enough already!!!!!!!!
Bring on the heat! If individual consumers want access, bring down the monopolies in those cities. In Orlando Fox Sports Net is not carried by Brighthouse Cable–consumers have no recourse. We now have ATT rolling out new services in portions of Orlando–there should be 5 or 6 companies coming in. I am sure NYC is wired enough to support that! What say you Mr. Mayor Bloomberg (and owner of a highly respected and run CONTENT PROVIDER)?
Time Warner is an absolute RIP OFF! Every year there are increases without the increase in programming and customer support. My advice is spelled, “Satellite”, you know, “The Dish?” I remember all of the PR T-W aired here in Texas but I knew better (I’m from PA) than to believe the horror stories just to continue getting mounds of $ from us every year. I SWITCHED and I’ve never been more satisfied w/ channels, pkgs and price!!
Time Warner will be shocked at how quickly people like me will dump their service.
It’s really hard to take the side of one of these media giants over the other… either way… consumers loose.
Cable subscriptions will never be in the consumers favor until subscribers have the ability to pay individually to see the cable stations they want, so that they can pay for what they want, and not what the media giants want them to see.
Will we look back at this as the shot that started the downfall of cable distributors? Time Warner makes an interesting point that they don’t get revenue from what comedy central posts online. And while i’d rather have the Daily Show on my tivo, I could make do watching on the laptop. Not too long from now TV’s will have an internet connection (not needing appletv, etc) and what will be the point of ordering cable and when you can watch it online through your tv?
Time Warner’s only future may be to focus on being an ISP as that will soon include television broadcasts.
Didn’t Time Warner Cable remove the NFL Network for similar reasons. We in LA have zero options for cable supplier and TWC’s arrogance caused me to drop them a couple months ago. Recently they shuttered all public channels and studios save one, how much did profits rise with that action? No competition, no avenues of redress and this is supposedly capitalist economy. I choose to go dark. My money stays with me till they collapse. Goodbye NBA commercials, goodbye car commercials, goodbye to all those that now so desperately need me to by their products. I will not be treated like a Russian.
Personally I love watching corporations cannibalize each other.
I have TW here in NYC and I couldn’t care less if i have only 180 channels instead of 200. So many channels and so little good product.
The ratings for Viacom’s shows are down and they want customers to pay more for them anyway, despite the worst economy since the 1930’s. Don’t blame Time Warner in this case folks…this is greed from Viacom.
A la carte programming. The answer.
Would make these petty fights (to the viewers) and greedy wars (between the congloms) a thing of the past.
I don’t need 50 other channels to go with the 5 or 6 I actually get value out of.
Hah, they’re going to hemorrhage a tenth of their customers on Jan 2. I predict they give in to Viacom on the 3rd and have to lure their customers back with freebies.
SCREW TIME WARNER!!! THRY HAVE GIVEN NEW YORK DICK FOR DECADES. I HOPE THEY CRATER WITH NO BAILOUT! PLEASE CABLEVISION OR COMCAST COME TO NYC, PLEASE WE BEG YOU!!!
this solidifies it for me:
I’M CANCELING MY TIME-WARMER CABLE, AND REPLACING IT WITH THE DISH.
i’ve wanted to do this for a long time now.
Goodbye Time Warner, ya dumb greedy f*ckos.
I was needing an excuse to switch.
RE:AaronSch
are you not aware that there are such features that allow you to block such channels that you wish not to view?
How nice it must be to live in your holier than thou small minded world. It’s people like you that give people like you a bad name.
Oh how nice it will be when you and yours realize that not everyone else should live a life YOU think everyone else should. The term Fascist comes to mind when someone like you decides to give your opinion.
I would dump TWC but since I have no clear line of site, I am stuck with lousy programming, bad service and poor reception…I have only one choice…no TV.
I do not watch the channels they are dropping so I won’t miss them, but where does it stop?
More increases for less, way to go TWC…you get yours while we as consumers get ours right in the “END”.
To heck with ‘em all! We got a Wii for Christmas — who needs any of their crappy channels?
I put up with Time Warner’s continued battle with the NFL but with the added loss of these channels it is just too much. They used the same excuse then regarding holding down costs. They are just too willing to let their product to me suffer to ensure their profit margins remain unaffected. DirectTV and NFL Sunday Ticket here I come. I’m now looking forward to the season next year.
Perhaps NOW we can start offering ala carte service on cable. If Viacom raises its price, and the market accepts it, then Time Warner wins. If the public says no, then Time Warner and Viacom lose!
The terrorists ARE winning! OMG Bush was right!
Cable lost me a long time ago. And so, I raised my 2 kids without TV. Now, they are both A students with scholarships at major colleges.
Think you can’t live without TV? At first it is hard. Then, it is not. Ultimately it becomes, allowing it back into your life is unimaginable.
Viacom and Time Warner are two sides of the same shit-covered coin. TW refuses to carry NFL Network and NBA Network here in LA and we the customers get screwed. And Sumner Redstone is an insane crazy old loon that needs to be taken out to pasture like any old stupid, saliva-spitting plow horse. But the real question is, how long will shareholders of both companies allow this lunacy to continue? Thank God I sold my shares in “Via-gone” years ago. Hello, DirectTV!
I watch The Daily Show & Colbert online anyway. As long as I have hulu who cares.
Thank God that I have Cox. I would kill myself without Comedy Central and Spike.
This from the Viacom press release:
Throughout the country, we have negotiated equitable license agreement renewals, or are in the final stages of renewals, with virtually every cable and satellite carrier. Nevertheless, Time Warner Cable has dismissed our efforts at a fair compromise…
Eerily similar to the AMPTP press release regarding the current SAG standoff (or any union standoff, actually):
The last year has surely been a challenging one, but after long sessions of hard bargaining, all of the Guilds and Unions in our industry, except one, have reached new labor agreements.
I’ve been looking for an excuse to drop Time Warner and get AT&T Uverse or some other FIOS. TWC is truly the WORST. Absolutely. The HD package blows, and now that Dexter is off the air for the season I have no reason to keep watching the free Showtime they’ve been giving me for years because of the terrible service.
So I have to continue to watch the Daily Show and Colbert Report on hulu because when I try to set a season pass for them on TWC, my DVR records 10 runs per day? Or reruns/originals of South Park I can just watch on southparkstudios.com? Or reruns of Futurama I can just load a DVD into my player and watch?
As long as I get a new service before January 16 so I can watch BSG’s final season…
I will dump TWC if this is not resolved very quickly; however, I have had satellite before and despised it. If it rained 500 miles from my home, I lost service. I kept track and in the month of July 2005, I only had 4 days without an interruption in service.
But I will not hesitate to drop them if they don’t get my Daily Show and Colbert back.
Well, put it this way:
Time Warner owns the majority of voting shares in Time Warner Cable, i.e. it is owned by Time Warner.
Hmm. What a SHOCK that Viacom and Time Warner are trying to screw each other. What a shock that having a handful of giant media companies controlling everything is always a losing proposition. What a shock that deregulation once again screws the customer.
Newsflash: YOU the customer will lose in this battle. Time Warner Cable will give in to the cries of customers and pass along Viacom’s exhoribant rate increases to your monthly bill. And the next time Time Warner has a chance to sock it to Viacom, they’ll say “here’s mud in your eye.”
The end.
Thank God I switched to AT&T!
Whew!
I have Time Warner. Since MTV doesn’t actually show music videos any more, there’s no reason to watch MTV. I listen to Time Warner’s digital music channels instead. As for Comedy Central, you can catch stuff on the internet — this will give me more time to do things around the house (while listening to music) or reading a book or watching something else.
I’m not going to miss any of the Viacom channels. I agree with other posters that this nickel-and-dime s**t has to stop.
This is why I have Direct TV!!! Cable sucks, only their VOD is cool.
And THIS is why I switched to DiercTV last year. Congress needs to get back into regulating cable.
“Mark this moment. It’s the first time I have been glad to be a Comcast customer.”
Well, Comcast is always more than happy to pass down increased fees to their subscribers.
And then a service fee for doing it.
CBS/Viacom posted something like $8 billion in losses for one quarter. Everybody’s hard times are showing up everywhere.
I dumped Time Warner two years ago because ATT Uverse carries NFL Network standard. Hubbies a football fanatic. Time Warner wants to charge extra for NFL, NFL Network refuses. As much as I dislike ATT, I get more channels, broadband is just as good and I pay less. And now you only need one DVR to record as you can watch anything recorded on any box in the house.
Well, considering nobody watches MTV, I don’t think it will make much of a difference!
If I get no Daily Show, I leave Time Warner.
I won’t miss Viacom, but I am on Dish Network and they have gotten involved in a deadlock with Fisher Broadcasting, so we have lost all of ABC – which means no Nightline, no Good Morning America, no Charlie Gibson, no George Stephanopolous, etc. I hate, as a customer, being held hostage by long term contracts, and then deprived of the programming I signed up for. Grrrr!
This and their dispute with NFL Network are making me wish TV was offered on an a-la-carte system. That way I could choose to have Comedy Central, ESPN, HBO and trim away the garbage I don’t watch like Fox News.
On the plus side, I think we all benefit by losing MTV.
Big companies still haven’t gotten it yet. We are in a recession, heading for a depression. Do they not understand that people are going to have to go back to antennas on their roofs. When people are afraid of losing their jobs and not being able to put food on the table, they are not going to pay for cable or satellite.
Folks, you can watch all this stuff online for free. I’ve already decided, before this news, to drop down to basic cable and watch everything I want online. Screw ‘em…
Ok..so I pay for TW Cable IN ADVANCE every month and they can pull channels? On the only service the city of Los Angeles allows in my area? Hang on, let me grab my ankles…..
I hope TW tells Viacom to pound sand. Colbert and Jon Stewart are the only shows I care about…well…and Reno 911. But I am willing to give them up. The whole cable model needs to be changed. I’m sick of having to surf through 50 shopping/spanish/religious channels to see the 4 channels that I watch.
Crap. That means we’re going to see those annoying crawl messages saying “Call TW and tell them…blah, blah…” on Comedy Central. Wake me when it’s over.
I am delighted it all boils down to the almighty buck as soon entrepreneurs will step in and use cable systems much in the same way the telephone companies were made to give over their systems to the MCI and Verizons,etc. Cable desperately needs competition as Americans have been gouged long enough.
Paying $52.00 per month for basic cable and then another $5.00 for HD that is given away by some national channels and then $15.50 for HBO and then another $7.00 as an intro price for Showtime? That’s 80 buck with premiums and $57.00 without. Keep it all.
Americans took down oil from $150 a barrel to less than $40 in 4 months. Watch us do the same with cable prices. The time of the Madoff type Cable Systems is over.
Viacom took MTV, a once proud icon and turned it into a cesspool. MTV is a prime example of what Corporate America thinks is good for you. Those people have no taste, no class, no talent.
No big loss for Time Warner that I can see.
Except for the Daily Show not so much of a loss and you can get that next day on the web. I say good riddance.
So glad i have direct TV, hope this buries time warner!
You think this is bad! Try figuring out how to access the local ABC affiliate in the Pacific Northwest to get local news and prime-time programming ( http://blog.seattletimes.nwsource.com/brierdudley/2008/12/18/dish_network_in_contract_spat.html ).
They can’t do this to me — Rock of Love Tour Bus premieres on Sunday! What am I going to do without my Celebreality trash? Thank god VH1 broadcasts full episodes on their website.
Suck it up, Time-Warner: just like we accept those little nickel-and-dime surcharges that keep sneaking into our bills.
Much as I love NY1 and “that little time-temperature thingie in the corner”, you drop Comedy Central and the Nickelodeon channels, I’m gone.
I live in LA and TWC sucks big time, the amount they charge for the little they offer is ridiculous. I dropped them long ago…..so I think I will go up to the roof and kiss my DirectTV dish.
Well, That sucks! those are the only channels i actually watch on tv!! the channels that are going to be left all suck! i just got a new flat screen tv for christmas… guess i can take that back to the store. i wont need it now!
I have Direct TV – so I am NOT affected by this dispute. However, I can not see that it will be any kind of great loss. With the possible exception of Gunsmoke, Leave it to Beaver, Andy Griffith and Bonanza on TV Land plus an occasional Dora or Little Bear episode on Noggin – not a single one of these channels has EVER delivered ANY of the programming promised in the advertising brochures put out by TV Guide to lure you into paying extra to have the ‘family pack’ of programs. When I first started watching TV Land, TV Land was running a commercial which claimed that ‘Beaver and Andy will always have a home so long as there is a TV Land!’ Now you can barely find either show in the line-up. Seems like all of the good shows get moved every couple of days. We have rarely, if ever, watched any of the other channels. Small loss – not worth crying about!
A pox on both their houses. Time Warner delivers a technically inferior service here in Los Angeles with numerous interruptions and drop outs. They seem to take their business model from the post office: raise the rates for poor service and less of it. A pox on them.
Viacom is quickly proving to be one of the most bumbling companies around. I know Nikki is giving up on reporting on Redstone’s debt negotiations but riddle me this: at a time when Viacom needs to show the best possible balance sheet and income statement, why is it going out of its way to alienate its largest cable customer? Somebody has a screw loose there.
My wife told me about this and I was worried, but when I saw the line-up of channels, I, too, was thinking “No great loss here.” I can watch Colbert and Stewart on my laptop whenever I want. MTV and the other trash can go broke. Nickelodeon has good stuff, but my kids are grown. I say, let the free market decide — cable should go a la carte. I would love to pay for only the channels I watch. History, Discovery, PBS, CSPAN, MSNBC, CNN, Science Channel, NatGeo, FoodNetwork, TLC, HGTV, A&E, Ovation, AnimalPlanet (for dog shows), TCM — maybe Spike for CSI reruns. Dump the religious garbage and sports. Can ya tell I’m the 50-65 demographic?
Please people stop writing loose, sounds like goose, when you mean lose, you are driving me frigging crazy.Anyway Time Warner sux it always has and Sumner Redstone, head of Viacom, how pretentious is that name, is a gold plated nitwit.
I don’t watch MTV anyway, so I don’t care at all. Good riddance to that crap show called the “The Hills.” Nothing but a bunch spoiled, white bitches famous for being nothing.
If Time Warner loses The Daily Show and The Colbert Report, we will lose Time Warner.
THIS IS BS
Viacom’s a bunch of bastards anyway. I hope TWC doesn’t give in.
*isn’t in a TWC area*
well all i got to say WTF why cant the cheapskates at time warner just pay up i mean dang its not like they will goo into debt
From an insiders perspective I work at a certain cable company and unfortunately most people want to blame Time Warner Cable because they are the direct interaction with the public. But what you don’t see is that this is an MSO that is trying to keep rates ffrom increasing in the subscriber. Not only that but the FCC vastly more involved in the cable industry than regulating (look up OCAP and “must carry rules” that are vastly unfair) direct satalite distributers or telcos. Cable Co. have “must carries” and local franchise fees above and beyond having to bend over backwards (I know because I am one of the ones doing the bending) to keep local channels happy. Cable Co. also have to build equally in the areas not just the higher revenue areas like the telcos are getting away with. The Cable Co that I work for prides ourselves on our local involvement that we get no revenue from because we live here too. We give away free service calls. Just like when diesel prices drove up the price of groceries, this will drive up the price for the customer. This is no prblem for sat (except for Dish Network that dumped CBS for this same reason) or telco to take up because they dont have to pay these FCC fees! If you want to pay higher cable prices than pressure the MSO’s to settle. If you want to make this a fair enterprise than blame the networks. Either way you lose and I am at work at 12:00 on New Years shutting these channels off.
Bull**it if you shut those channels down shut all my stuff down. With those channels gone it should drop our bill 50.00 a month!
Seriously, this crap again? They did this with the CW…19 channels, give me a FREAKING break
My poor son will have nothing to watch now…until we dump TW’s stupid crap and get a dish or satellite, if I can talk my hubby into it of course.
Viacom might end up thinking twice about this. The only major loss in my opinion is Comedy Central. That can be easily replaced with the wonderful Hulu.com. Too bad all Cable operators weren’t forcing down time on these channels. It would maybe force Viacom to spend more time on CBS. It would be interesting to see if they could come up with an original plot for a show instead of another retread of the same crime procedural to feed to the masses.
WHAT THE FUC* I can’t believe this is happening how much extra do i need to pay to clear this. Time Warner should stop crying and get rid of channels that serve no purpose, like lifetime, Zee tv, cspan, and other filler channels to make up the losses, honestly who the FUC* can survive without their daily needs, like the daily show and spongebob, what are we going to do with 5 different womens channels and no channels geared towards men. Time Warner is going to be the cause of thousands of new gays, and how will the world be able to sustain itself if every guy is is wasting their sperm in another dudes lower digestive tract. either there will only be amish people who don’t have tvs ruling the world, or the world will be made of all females.
Time Warner BETTER GET THIS FIXED, BECAUSE THEY HAVE ALREADY SCREWED US!!!!
Taking away ESPN Classic (used to be on channel 32) and now put it on only Digital. They have been taking away more then giving.
And losing 18 HUGE channels is not a good way to get the year started
FUCK TIME WARNER and their fuckin bullshit….just sign on for the extra 25 fucking cents
FYI, Viacom is running a crawl line along the bottom of their networks right now; however, the number to call has so-called ‘technical difficulties’ so it’s inoperational. Any other ideas for getting a hold of them?
Just wanted to point out that the “watch anytime online” option isn’t there for us deaf viewers… because very very very LITTLE online content has the captioning carried over and enabled.
So when those channels disappear from my cable in 2 days… I’m shut out as that’s my only way to get the shows with captioning.
!!!!!!!!!!!! WTF !!!!!!!!! DO EITHER OF THESE SON OF A BICHES HAVE ANYTHING TO DO BUT FEED THE ON GOING ECONOMIC PROBLEM OF CORPRATE GREED. DO EITHER OF THEM NOT GET ENOUGH MONEY FOR THE TIGHT WAD BOARD MEMBERS TO GET THEIR VACATION TIMESHARE IN BERMUDA (I WOULD LIKE ONE THERE) GET THE F OVER YOURSELFS AND TRY TO REMEMBER THE MILLIONS OR CenturianS, BillionS, Oligarchs, OR TrillionS OF PEOPLE THAT PUT THAT MONEY IN YOUR POCKETS…SUCH A WASTE
just wait till families such as mine have to try to tell their kids where dora,spongebob,wubbzy etc went to!
This is F*cking bullsh*t. Im switching to At&t. i wonder how much customers twc is going to lose. this fucking sucks!!!
i dislike timewarner cable and love hulu… no loss on my end
this does not effect cablevision users rite? cuz i hve cablevision nd they had the alert message on my tv…if ne1 cud reassure me..it wud b greatly appreciated..thnx
I have to say I agree with what many have been saying above; with the crap unpredictable wireless internet service, and ever increasing prices, I have been looking for an excuse to can TWC for 4 years. Goodbye time warner it’s been (un)fun . Oh but I don’t put this all on them, Viacom make billions on ad revenues from the internet, and with the dwindling economy and millions getting laid off across the country, they choose NOW to force rate hikes on cable companies and customers alike, screw you Viacom.
I was thinking about switching to TWC, but channels like MTV and VH1 are the main reasons I have cable. Guess I’m going to stick with my DirecTV then…
Now that Time Warner sees revenue going to Viacom via the Internet (which is where everything will be soon), maybe Time Warner will start to be a SAG ally?
First of all I can’t understand why time warner…and other people too…are talking about the .25 cents a month getting passed on to the customer I pay 160 dollars a month for my cable through them and the internet barely every works and the cable goes out all the time…usually when there isn’t a cloud in the sky and then they have the audacity to jack the bill up about 5 dollars a year without any warning until you get the bill that’s more than it should be, so since they are obviously raking in the bucks by charging people for sucky service and they obviously have little cost because they don’t keep up with the equipment and no one is ever working at the office TIME WARNER should pay the extra quarter a month out of what they already overcharge their current customers.
These two companies both suck. Frankly, Viacom spews garbage out daily, so they won’t be missed. However, Time-Warner Cable is terrible. They are greedy jerks and I guess it’s time for the Dish.
Bye, bye TWCable!
This is bs. My kids are the ones losing the shows they watch. My kids love noggin and they really like watching Dora and diego. This better get resolved or I will be switching to satellite. I am so irate right now
If TWC allows this to happen and allow Theese channels to dissapear from the current line up then they will have proven they are no longer a “valid” means of recieving my TV entertainment!