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SAG STATEMENT CORRECTING AN ERRONEOUS WIRE SERVICE REPORT
Los Angeles (January 22, 2009) – This statement is being issued to correct an erroneous wire report flashed today, January 22, 2009. Screen Actors Guild has taken no action to suspend the national board of directors’ October 19 resolution regarding the strike authorization referendum.National Executive Director Doug Allen has proposed to the national board that the strike authorization referendum be suspended and that management’s offer be put to the membership in a ratification vote after meeting with the AMPTP to determine to what extent, if any, they are willing to improve their last offer, to maximize its chances for ratification.
The National Board has not yet acted on Allen’s proposal.
SAG’s national board of directors has not suspended the strike authorization referendum and the board’s October 19 resolution is the last national board decision on this matter.
The resolution can be read here http://www.sag.org/press-releases/october-19-2008/sag-board-directors-votes-request-federal-mediator-and-send-strike-au.
Doug Allen’s compromise proposal can be read here http://www.sag.org/important-message-doug-allen.
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ARE YOU ALL HIGH?
You never had the votes for a strike, EVER!!! Before Doug Allen and his misteps, before UFS, before everything. That is why they kept having those town hall meetings, MF continually IGNORING the vast majority of the membership and pushing for a strike.
Now you all think the membership is suddenly having a change of heart and coming around? Who the hell are you talking to? MF that is who. NO ONE IS WITH YOU. Geez, I cannot believe how blind these people are.
I easily would have voted for a strike, 9 F#@$ing months ago. I think everyone would have been behind it. This theory that everyone is responsible for this except for the negotiators is a JOKE! Talk about drinking the koolaid. The people that arent with
you are not all UFS, they are everyday actors that are
so tired of all of this they could puke.
MF lost their ability to call a strike 8 years ago after the ill fated commercial strike. Every damn week it is something new, and no action. They cant even get a press release right, let alone negotiate a contract.
I am sure it makes for great conversation after your weekend production of Glass Menagerie at the Hudson on Santa Monica, but you NEVER HAD THE VOTES!!
I know, I know. I am just an absolute shill, idiot, nobody that doesnt agree with you therefore I should have no opinion. Someone like ACE is going to accuse me of not knowing how to debate. Someone like matt mulhern is going to insinuate I dont know how to read and couldnt possibly comprehend the “unsignable contract”. Go ahead, cut me down all over the place because I just dont care. That is the only thing they do know how to do, cut down call names and ignore.
This blissful idiot is heading to the gym, having a nice dinner with friends, shooting new headshots next week, and look so forward to the day that MF is out of there.
@ Ace and Matt Mulhern,
Thank you for being two sane voices in these comments. You are both entirely correct, no matter how much the other posters ignore your facts.
hank, you don’t need to be told who to believe. you need to read the proposed contract. do you really want your sag leadership to accept a contract like that? do you really think the amptp has honorable intentions? do you really believe the sag leadership is behaving irresponsibly for not accepting a deliberately horrible contract?
the contract speaks for itself. once you understand the contract, you’ll know who to believe.
Earth to Doug Allen: The Eagle has landed.
What the hell are they waiting for then?
Let’s get the party started (and over with!)
Joe Brown said – “The most absurd thing, is that most of this group from outside of Hollywood has never ever worked on a prime time TV show or a Theatrical Motion Picture in their lives, believe it or not.”
Wow… you’ve just described most of SAG. Just because we live in Hollywood doesn’t mean we have been on prime time OR in a major motion picture. But to say that just because someone ISN’T in Hollywood they couldn’t possibly have worked in prime time or on a major motion picture is ridiculous.
To equate being in NY and other areas as being a lesser member of SAG is just absurd. It’s the same anti-AFTRA crap that got us here in the first place.
STOP BLAMING EVERYONE ELSE!!!!
It’s time to STOP FIGHTING and GET SOMETHING THAT ALL MEMBERS CAN GET BEHIND!
Look what happened when MF took on AFTRA? We now have a competing union that USED TO BE AN ALLY. If MF and U4S keep fighting we will further be entrenched in the “divide us and win” lunacy that has been prevalent for 10 years.
SAG members and SAG BOARD MEMBERS need to find COMMON GROUND. U4S can’t fire Doug Allen and MF can’t get a strike authorization. But as long as MF remains in control of the negotiating committee THE CONTRACT STANDS A MUCH BETTER CHANCE OF PASSING because there are enough people who don’t trust MF to get the deal done at all.
We are in a stalemate position. If MF and U4S can’t come together, the AMPTP wins and actors lose.
ACE – God bless you for being a true believer but what fight has SAG got left that anyone can respect? This concept of SAG not going down without a bloody, messy fight is a truly disgusting proposition.
When all this blood that you’re so comfortable spilling might’ve been spilled to some purpose, our leadership was…get this…trying to defeat AFTRA’s deal. Why? Because SAG’s leaders were too incompetant and ideologically entrenched to find common cause with our sister union (but hey, like everything else it’s THEIR fault).
Now that all that is in the past all the deals with all the guilds long signed, NOW we’re going to spill blood? NOW?
And btw, if you think those TV shows were “going AFTRA anyway” you are living in an echo chamber. Talk to some TV studio execs. No one had any real interest in rocking any guild boats until SAG gave them the opportunity. People fear SAG now, not because they’re strong, but because they’re volatile and out of touch with reality.
What’s with SAG doing their Keystone Cops routine? Pathetic. And what a bunch of drama queens. Too busy throwing a I’m-off-to-my-trailer tantrum to do their job.
Hey Ace…..rehearse these lines…..”would you like to Super Size that?”…..I hear they are hiring…..bring on the Working Actors Guild….rip SAG.
I find it amazing that Limbo Again still wants to “Imagine” that we will “come together right now” or the AMPTP wins…
This is ludicrous. Either let SAG vote or not.
Why are you fixated on “coming together?” It ain’t gonna happen. And no one cares whether the board comes together or not.
Let the membership have the contract, review it, and vote on it…
Get over it, Limbo. This is not The Good Ship Lollipop.
As a non-actor non-SAG member who’s been observing this issue, I want to compliment Matt Mulhern, Sue West, Sterling Wolfe and the very few others who SIGNED THEIR REAL NAMES to their posts.
The rest of you, whatever side you’re on, are sniveling gutless weasels. If you’re so impassioned about this issue, SIGN YOUR NAMES! Stop with the idiotic monikers and nicknames you sign by. AMPTP will never take any of you seriously when you hide in the shadows like a bunch of spineless cowards. There are actors who sign their names to letters sent to the studios yet you chickens won’t even sign your names to a post on a blog.
Why is that? Why can’t you say “I’m (insert name) and this is how I feel.” It’s so easy for most of you to post some insulting diatribe yet never include your name.
Do you think the studios are going to fear and respect a bunch of whiny twerps who don’t even have the guts to identify themselves? You all shred Nick Counter for being a thug but at least the man signs his name to every dictum he issues, no matter how unfair it is.
As far as I’m concerned, everyone of you Nikki Finke readers who rabidly follow her blog and then eagerly post your opinion without SIGNING YOUR ACTUAL NAME are just a bunch of bitter frustrated cowards.
Grow a pair and SIGN YOUR NAMES. Not signing proves to the studios that you’re afraid of them and would rather sling insults at Messrs. Allen and Rosenberg than get in the executives’ faces.
Losers.
Below is my real name. If anyone of you wants to attack me, feel free. But if you don’t sign your name, you’ll just prove my point.
freddy,
stop spewing you’re propaganda and go back and read what i posted again. i never said, our leadership should accept the proposed contract, I SAID THEY ARE FAILING TO LEAD. i have read the contract, i know it sucks…..EVERYONE knows that it sucks. i think everyone pretty much agrees on that. what they can’t agree on, is how to proceed. and instead of dealing with it internally, the civil war in the media continues-which is dividing and killing our union.
hank
Request to SAG Leadership:
Being an actor, I can see the reasons why the current contract is dangerous and career killing — especially with its unacceptable commercial conflicts. But, please give us some immediate leadership and be firm in the direction we’re taking. Since you are not going to be able to please everyone no matter what you choose to do, then choose to firmly do something — take your best shot, and let people deal with it from there.
The current limbo-land makes things worse, not better, for your membership.
Thank you.
Well, Rabble and CTSadler… My discourse about the use of the words “suspension” and “delay” illustrates a very interesting point throughout all of this rhetoric – point of view, or rather prerogative. SAG-bashers choose from a certain list of vitriolic words to amplify their negative comments. I liken that to “spin”. But in the end none of those cheap shots matter. Very few, if any, of you bashers will have any say-so whatsoever with regards to this contract negotiation. Is that why you sound so damned angry? Some of you refuse to aim your frustrations and blame where it should be – on the AMPTP. And because you choose to take the simplest course and blame SAG for the current industry woes, your point of view(s) are stilted from their inception. And still, they don’t matter. Kinda makes you guys feel a little impotent, huh?
The truth is, the relative minuscule number of us who post on these DHD topics are a very, very small segment of the industry and an even smaller slice of SAG. What we write, positive or negative, has little or no impact on the proceedings and subsequent vote. And our opinions are nowhere near an accurate sampling of real-world views. If I believed, even for a second, you anti-SAGgies (thanks again, CTSadler) were either honest or accurate with your claims of “industry-wide hatred for SAG”, I would do something different than post support here, or have a different point of view. But I do know better. Smart people know better – those people who take the time to educate themselves with facts before sharing their “views” online – and can see why SAG is in the predicament we’re in. Admittedly, some of it is because of current infighting, but I’ll deal with that later.
As for me personally, I have had words put in my mouth (again, on this topic) and have been impersonated (in obvious ways) on other topics. To argue with those who have no dog in this hunt is futile – when it’s not your money your views are not only different, but irrelevant. But they are entertaining. All I attempt to do is to stay with the facts (which are readily available to anyone who goes to the SAG website) and to support my guild’s leadership. And I counter the BS statements that some of you are so anxious to spew at SAG. But I do that with facts, not with emotions or cheap shots at people who have an extremely difficult job to do.
I am a SAG member, and I support my elected officials. That seems so difficult for some of you other SAG members, but that’s what “membership” in a guild means. It ain’t always right; it ain’t always pretty; you don’t always have to agree with other members – but you DO have to support the majority voted-upon referendums, and not subvert SAG management’s attempts to better our guild just because a certain vote didn’t go your way. Union members understand the power of unity to achieve (or perpetuate) fair compensation and working conditions. Why would you be a member of a union/guild – except for a paycheck and benefits – if you’re not willing to fight for those things?
For example: if the NegCom (including Doug Allen and Allen Rosenberg) had the full support of SAG from July 1, do you think we’d be in the predicament we’re now in? With the membership completely behind them, the NegCom could/would have fought for (and won) a much better offer from the AMPTP. (We may have had to strike, and it would have been as costly then as it might be now.) But no, the whiny U4S brigade didn’t like it that they didn’t get their way (win enough seats) on the board elections. So they chose, as a group, to dismantle SAG and the contract negotiations, along with attempting to discredit our own – their own – elected officials.
Some of you who are (literally) screaming at SAG to stop the infighting and “do something” – who are you screaming at? See, it’s easy to just scream at (and blame) SAG as a whole without thinking too much about it. As if your need to thoughtlessly place blame trumps consideration of some obvious facts. You want answers. You want results. Well, me too. But I also know why we’re where we are – which makes it more clear whom to blame (if I had a need to do that). U4S and NY don’t like the path the negotiations are on? They VOTED on the friggin’ negotiation path! They don’t like sending out a SAV? They VOTED to send it out! They wanted the SAG membership to vote on the contract offer, but now they’re holding that up as well!
I think (and hope) that it’s obvious where ALL of the infighting is coming from – and it isn’t the NegCom, and it isn’t the Membership First body. They’ve all been on the same page since day 1.
Look, I’m as frustrated as some of you are with all of this. But instead of ignorant slurs and cheap shots, let’s keep our eye on the ball and remember the larger picture – getting a fair contract from the AMPTP. Okay, so it will take more time. But we’re not striking, are we?
And finally, Rabble, just because one person lost their breakfast while reading your, uh, “humor” doesn’t mean you’re funny. Don’t quit your day job, Shecky.
Mr. Limbo Again and others like him state,
“Blah, blah, blah, blah… we must come up with something the entire membership can support.”
Translation:
“We’re not going to let the membership vote.”
Et tu Brutus?
So, ‘love’s labors lost’, you seem to be unhappy with how the current negotiations are going. And since you sound like you are, and have claimed to be, a SAG member, I’ll respond to your personal response to my comments.
You’re in italics below – I’m not.
ACE – God bless you for being a true believer but what fight has SAG got left that anyone can respect? This concept of SAG not going down without a bloody, messy fight is a truly disgusting proposition. Did I say that SAG wouldn’t go down without a “bloody fight”? No, you’ve misquoted me – you didn’t even paraphrase me well – and it’s obviously to support your next statement:
When all this blood that you’re so comfortable spilling might’ve been spilled… I’m not comfortable about any strike, much less one that turns ugly. But again, it makes me sound eager to shed blood so you’ve misquoted me again. At the very least, you’ve read something into my statement that wasn’t there.
…to some purpose, our leadership was…get this…trying to defeat AFTRA’s deal. Why? Why? Because if AFTRA got their (misrepresented) deal ratified, it would leave SAG weakened and vulnerable. Which has proved true. In hindsight, this tactic has proven to not be a good idea because it didn’t work. But isn’t hindsight always 20/20? As a dual cardholder, I voted ‘no’ on AFTRA’s contract, as did every other SAG member I know or talked to. (I still don’t know who counted those votes.) But despite SAG’s efforts, the thing passed. Water under the bridge.
Because SAG’s leaders were too incompetant [sic] and ideologically entrenched to find common cause with our sister union (but hey, like everything else it’s THEIR fault). Who’s blaming anyone? I’m sure I stated that I wasn’t busting on AFTRA. And further, finding “common cause” has been a continual problem – on both sides. In fact, the last proposed merger with AFTRA had well over 50% of the vote, but it needed another of those super-majority votes to pass. So as you see, most (voting) SAG members do want a merger. Even Alan Rosenberg said publicly he supports it. But no two sides can find “common cause” when one side is intent on capitulating to the merest hint of aggression from a bully. But I digress…
Now that all that is in the past all the deals with all the guilds long signed, NOW we’re going to spill blood? NOW? More with the blood? Seriously? A bit dramatic aren’t we? Also, you may want to check your facts on “all the deals with all the guilds” being long signed. That’s a pure AMPTP spin statement, and it’s false. You’re a SAG member, right? Promise?
And btw, if you think those TV shows were “going AFTRA anyway” you are living in an echo chamber. We’re talking about NEW shows going AFTRA… Talk to some TV studio execs. Have you talked to some TV studio execs? Really? How many? I mean, more than overhearing one conversation in the WB cafeteria? Studio execs have proven time and time again that they will do anything to save a buck – even if it means sacrificing the quality of their TV shows. If they have the opportunity to do a new show under the ridiculously cheap AFTRA contract, there’s no way they’ll choose to go SAG unless the show’s star demands it, or it must be shot on film for some reason. You can’t push that on SAG’s current holdout position. That’s just an inescapable outcome.
No one had any real interest in rocking any guild boats until SAG gave them the opportunity. There’s no “rocking of guild boats” going on. More drama from you. SAG shows cannot be changed to AFTRA. New shows are up for grabs.
People… What “people”, the AMPTP? …fear SAG now, not because they’re strong, but because they’re volatile and out of touch with reality. I don’t believe anyone really “fears” SAG anyway – not that we should be “feared”. We should be respected, though, especially by our own membership. But people like you, over-dramatizing what is not an unheard of contract negotiation impasse, are helping to keep SAG publicly divided. Which weakens your own (stated) union/guild.
I’ll bet that you’ve always been a U4S supporter, right? Who are you really? Sally? Kate? Amy? Mike Farrell? Oh god, you’re not Ned are you?
(Hell, if you are Kate, then you really have been talking to TV studio execs – in bed – haven’t you?)
I don’t know what’s worse, the AMPTP offer or those idiot Allens trying to spin their way out of their own foolishness.
Hello! The SAV *IS* dead.
The majority doesn’t support it. Even MeFirst doesn’t support it any more.
That means it has a constituency of one – Doug Allen. And how long is he going to be around?
My take is that, with AFTRA making its own deal in new media, it cut the legs from under SAG getting the deal it wants in new media. And the AMPTP knows it.
Even if SAG were to get a better deal in new media, producers would just run to produce new media projects under the cheaper AFTRA contract…which is what I understand they are doing RIGHT NOW as AFTRA has a deal in place and SAG does not.
By AFTRA negotiating separately from SAG, the unintended consequence has been to strengthen AFTRA. I don’t think that’s what MF wanted.
It’s unfortunate, but I don’t see that SAG has much negotiating leverage at this point.
“Hey” back at ya’, McHiring. “Hey Ace…..rehearse these lines…..”would you like to Super Size that?”…..I hear they are hiring.
Comment by McHiring — January 23, 2009 @ 4:42 pm
I’d love to rehearse and say those lines – in a national McWhatever commercial. You know why? Because national commercials pay SAG actors very well. And why is that? (Follow along with me here…) Because SAG fought for those rates and conditions, and didn’t just bend over and accept the first shit contract offered by management. The outcome of that contract negotiation is/was that everyone in the ad world is still happy and still makes a tidy profit – on-camera talent included. Exactly the same thing that SAG is standing firm on with the AMPTP’s offer.
So thanks for coming in! Enjoy those McNuggets(tm) with my special dipping sauce…
Ace -
Will you be working on AFTRA shows this spring?
McHiring writes, “Hey Ace…..rehearse these lines…..”would you like to Super Size that?”…..I hear they are hiring…..bring on the Working Actors Guild….rip SAG.”
It’s sad to me that some Americans like McHiring feel comfortable using one persons job to make fun of someone else- as if there is shame in working for a living unless you’re making a multi-million dollar CEO’s wage.
And while I realize it’s more of a window into those person’s slinging the insults self hatred than it is to the person they’re trying to insult, it does bring up an interesting topic.
When did it become shameful to be a working American? When did it become shameful to go to work, work hard, and to be willing to fight for fair compensation for your work? To be able to support and feed your family, afford health care, and hopefully afford an education for your children, is, to some, laughable?
I get that the economy is tanked. I get that the CEO’s, let run wild by the Bush administration, have undermined the banks and the auto industry. What I don’t get is how one department in the film biz blames another for those failures.
What I guess I will never understand is how people like McHiring can be so short sighted and so glib as to not realize we are all in the same boat. And when one group agrees to roll over and take an unfair deal, to give up a fair wage, to give up health care, like dominoes the rest of us will give up out health care and our fair wage. As precedence is set, corporations follow with “The BLANK worker’s union agreed to no health care. We need to take it from your union to stay competitive.”
And we’ll all look back on the days when people were lucky enough to live and work in an America, whether it was in McDonald’s or whatever McHiring thinks is more noble (would being a carpenter be OK, or and RN or a teacher?) and get a decent wage and health benefits. We’ll remember an America where working was admired but then standing up for yourself was so frightening to those like McHiring who laugh at people who work for a living– we all took what was offered and dream of a day when Americans could work at a fast food restaurant and get a decent wage and health care. The kind of compensation unions have fought for and has trickled down to even those without a union.
Make your jokes. But professional actors work hard. Some of you may not understand the daily life. Some of you may use a distant cousin who calls himself an actor but hasn’t worked since the high school play as your example of lazy actors.
But if you open your eyes you’ll see that actors are not only an important part of the biz just like the others who work in other departments, they are right now fighting your fight–the working person’s fight- for fair compensation and benefits.
helenofpeel said “Why are you fixated on “coming together?” It ain’t gonna happen. And no one cares whether the board comes together or not.”
Wow. So I guess we are doomed to fail no matter what. Don’t forget that the MEMBERSHIP voted in U4S over MF in an attempt to CHANGE DIRECTION that is killing all our careers.
Don’t you see??? If we can’t get the board to come together, we can’t get the membership to come together. If we can’t get the membership to come together then we have absolutely NO POWER and will be forced to take whatever crumbs the studios throw our way. Our ONLY power is in UNITY, so yeah, I sure as hell care if the Board can come together.
I’m not saying to NOT let the membership vote. But any vote held without doing SOMETHING to bring the membership together will cast us into FURTHER DIVISION AND LIMBO. I believe that if nothing changes the contract as it stands from the AMPTP WILL be voted in because, and I’ll state it again:
Most SAG members have NO FAITH that we can get a better deal.
So sure, let them vote with the huge divide in the Board. THEN WHAT???!! It’s that lack of vision that has doomed us to limbo in the first place.
So here are the options of putting it to a vote as is:
Put it to a vote, contract voted in, actors miss an opportunity and get what EVERYONE agrees is not a great contract.
Put it to a vote, contract NOT voted in, strike authorization IMPOSSIBLE because there is no way in hell of getting 75% of the membership on board and NOTHING CHANGES.
The coming together isn’t just for THIS CONTRACT, it’s FOR OUR FUTURE. It’s not about NOW, it’s about next year, next contract, next decade and about healing the divide that is KILLING SAG. If we don’t change, Actors will all suffer from the ongoing lunacy.
So go ahead. Put it to a vote. No matter what happens we are still screwed unless we can get our shit together. And if you are right, that isn’t going to happen and that’s a sad thing because I used to be proud to be a SAG member.
Dear Mr Limbo Again,
Has it occurred to you that if the members vote no on the contract it gives the board a certain direction in which to move? That it gives the AMPTP a clear stance of how the members feel, instead of having to watch the comic-tragedy of the board? Has that occurred to you?
I’m just glad you admitted you really don’t want the membership to vote! Finally, someone told the truth.
helenofpeel said “Has it occurred to you that if the members vote no on the contract it gives the board a certain direction in which to move?”
Your mistaken assumption is that the board CAN move in a direction. Problem is they are so deeply divided, like the membership, that they HAVE NO IDEA WHAT TO DO NEXT. And therein lies the probelm.
There is no VISION, no LEADERSHIP behind this change in tactics. If the contract is voted down NOTHING CHANGES and you have offered nothing in terms of a solution the problem I outlined.
True leaders will bring people together. They will unite them in a common cause. They will offer VISION as to where the path will lead. They will work WITH opposing viewpoints to bring the majority into play for the betterment of the people.
Current MF leadership is Hollywood is great and screw the rest of the country. Screw AFTRA. Screw the AMPTP. Either do what we say or we will force you to capitulate.
And obviously you didn’t read my post. I’m not against the membership voting. I’m just against continuing the war with ourselves. Pitting SAG member against SAG member is sheer lunacy.
What I DID say was that UNLESS you can offer a vision for what you will do AFTER a NO vote (other than go back and yell and scream some more) then the contract stands a VERY good chance of passing.
However, if MF can work WITH U4S and find common ground, such as reconstituting the negotiating committee with a more acceptable mix to shake things up or a clearer path to victory, THEN the membership may unite behind it. Business as usual WILL NOT FLY ANYMORE.
I know many people who will vote for the contract because the thought of leaving the current negotiating committee in charge is simply not an option. They have failed miserabley and extending that failure is pointless.
I only ask that Doug Allen, Alan Rosenberg and the rest of the MF come forth with a clear “what happens next” scenario that brings IN U4S and will UNITE the membership, not continue to pit fellow actors against each other.
Is it too much to ask for actual LEADERSHIP from our President and NED? I don’t think so. If we don’t get it, my money is on the contract passing.
Ace, “comments by people that have no stake on this fight”? Really? meaning less productions doesn’t mean less work for the crew, less ancillary jobs and less people with money to spend on restaurants (yes, the one you work when you’re not booked) and clothes and whatever? Really?
But one thing I HOPE YOU’RE RIGHT: you will keep this impasse or go to strike. Please, please, go to strike.
I want to see SAG dead.
(Long live AFTRA)