UPDATE: Roger Ebert kindly posted this on his website tonight:
Monday p.m.: Nikki Finke says on her blog that the London Independent, and therefore me, incorrectly read what she wrote. I am guilty of finding the quote above on the Independent’s web site. When I went to Finke’s site, I found her “Live-Snarking the Oscars.” Finke explains she never said those stars wouldn’t be on the program [as presenters], but that they didn’t want to be. Point taken, although it was not expressed with crystal clarity. I was reckless in assuming her negative tone was inspired by pique at the show’s producers. I guess she was just genuinely pissed off."
PREVIOUS: There seems to be a reading comprehension problem among some media regarding what I wrote, and didn't write, in my pre-Oscars story. Specifically by UK's Independent newspaper. And also by Roger Ebert.
When I used as examples various celebrities, I never said they were not going to attend the Oscars or present the awards onstage. Instead, what I reported was that these actors and actresses like others gave the producers "reasons galore -- some serious, some trivial -- for why they didn't want to present awards, once considered a huge honor". Emphasis on the word want. Big difference. For example, I don't especially want to cover the Oscars every year. And, if I could, I'd come up with a good enough excuse to try to weasel out of it. But, ultimately, I do the reporting/commentary because either my editors and friends talk me into it. Or I suck it up and realize it's part of my job as a newspaper and Internet journalist and columnist. I also pointed out in my article that "these behind-the-scenes embarrassments are one reason why the Academy Of Motion Picture Arts And Sciences took the unprecedented step this year of failing to make public the list of Oscar presenters." No less an Oscars authority than Bruce Vilanch, who was integrally uninvolved in this year's show, backed up my reporting when he told The AP that at least some of the presenters who'd been lined up had backed out, emboldened by the anonymity they were afforded by the producers. (Vilanch didn't name names.)
Yet, for some reason, the usually well-informed Independent misinterpreted my post to mean that the celebs I named wouldn't be showing up to the Academy Awards at all -- and attributed that supposed news scoop to me. While the usually astute Ebert devoted several paragraphs of his review of the Oscar show (he liked it a lot) to inventing a conspiracy theory involving me and my sources.
Now Roger and I have a good relationship, mostly. Though I did chide him recently for negatively reviewing a film after only seeing its 8-minute beginning. While I'm flattered that Roger continues to read me, he should also have the courtesy to quote me accurately. He also accused me falsely. According to him, I was so enraged by those stars showing up to the Oscars, contrary to what I supposedly reported, that I decided to trash the show in its entirety just to get back at them. On what planet, Roger? I'm not angry at Ebert for spewing this nonsense, but I sincerely hope he corrects what he has written.
I don’t really care for your slanted comments about conservatives, Nikki, but I despise Roger Ebert, that fatuous, overrated “TV personality” who can’t even be bothered like the rest of us mere mortals to actually sit through an entire film before giving an opinion on it.
So…you have my grudging respect on this one. Oh, and Siskel was a better reviewer. Even dead.
I think the confusion may have stemmed from your suggestion that Hollywood didn’t want to “participate” in the Oscars anymore. Some might have taken the more narrow view that you intended, meaning they did not want to be a part of the production of the show. Others may have thought you meant that they just wanted nothing to do with the show all.
I’m pretty sure you also said you hate puppies and Christmas.
Roger Ebert…
He gave a thumbs-down to Full Metal Jacket and Blue Velvet…
He gave a thumbs-up to Cop and a Half and the Cedric the “Entertainer” remake of The Honeymooners…
Let that sink in a second…
What need for informed sources? The barfly sitting next to me observed extemp during the show: ’seems like none of the “big” stars are presenters this year.’
He won’t apologize. He’ll initially exacerbate the situation with stubbornness and when he realizes the error of his way in hindsight he’ll do an about-face and mention NF fondly in one of his reviews. That’s how he rolls.
After you and others excoriated him for reviewing a movie after watching only the first 8 minutes of it – something that I would have recognized back in my days as a college film critic as STARTLINGLY unprofessional – his defense essentially consisted of “but those first 8 minutes were really bad and my review was really good.” Nowhere does he admit, or even entertain the idea, that his behavior was intectually dishonest.
Then, by some random twist of the internet I came across Ebert’s review of Jurassic Park yesterday. The entire first paragraph depicts an absolute, documented falsehood as fact, and the first half or so of the review is predicated on it. That review is 15 years old without even a hint of a correction.
The point being, I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for Roger Ebert to admit he was wrong about something.
You’re definitely splitting hairs here about the word “want.” The tone of your original story was pretty intense about the lack of star participation, so it’s not surprising that the tone of the responses would also be intense. Maybe if your original story had used similar nuances about “want” it wouldn’t have garnered such a reaction.
Really it’s not a huge leap to assume “reasons galore — some serious, some trivial — for why they didn’t want to present awards” means the stars won’t be appearing. Especially as the presenter list was being kept secret.
Those people are all big stars – many people will assume they can’t be forced to appear by the Oscars’ producers, because most believe the myth about Hollywood stars always getting what they want.
I miss Siskel.
Since we’re keeping tabs, Roger also gave Thumbs Down to Benjamin Button and Thumbs Up to Mall Cop. He’s still a brilliant writer though.
Nikki, you protesteth too much. Bottom line, as any journalist knows, is the MEANING of the words printed, and the meaning gleaned from your piece was that Kidman et al would not be presenting. When you have to play semantics, you know you’ve lost. The other bottom line is that an own goal doesn’t cost you the match. You bring it in, and scoop everyone, regularly so, for God’s sake, don’t get all Hollywood and precious on us!! Just take the hit, get over it, and keep breaking those stories
but I despise Roger Ebert, that fatuous, overrated “TV personality” who can’t even be bothered like the rest of us mere mortals to actually sit through an entire film before giving an opinion on it.
So…you have my grudging respect on this one. Oh, and Siskel was a better reviewer. Even dead.
I’m not a huge fan of Ebert any more, but it is important to note here:
1) The 8-minute review was, he admitted, precisely the second time in his career he ever did that, after Caligula. It’s not like it’s something he’s done every week for 30+ years.
2) The man was the first (and until a couple years ago ONLY) film critic to win a Pulitzer prize. He’s a writer who used to be on television.
3) You’re a fucking idiot.
While it is true you did say “want”, the tone of your article most likely lead many to believe that the mentioned stars would not be giving out awards. Had you said that that they showed resistance to handing out awards or attending, it may have been clearer. Seems like it was a bit of miscommunication all around, and I’m not sure if anyone should be forced to apologize for a matter that was very unclear.
The simple fact that you have to explain what you meant shows that what you wrote was flawed.
Thanks, Del Coro, for yet another confirmation that name-calling (and vulgar name-calling, at that), is the first and last resort for extremists who dislike Americans expressing viewpoints other than their own. Don’t you think the numbered responses, with the final one consisting of calling someone a “fucking idiot” or “a douche,” as if that’s a devastating put-down, has been pretty much played out by now?
As for you justifications that he only did this twice: that’s twice too many times for just about anyone else in the profession. They’d be out on their cans for such a grievous professional blunder.
And as for the Pulitzer being some kind of “ultimate” honor that Ebert the movie critic alone has achieved, that only works if you believe the Pulitzer is truly unbiased…which is hilarious if you see the list of people who have won (and the myriad number of talented authors who have never even been nominated).
Siskel & Ebert single-handedly ruined film criticism by distilling it down to thumbs up & thumbs down. They dispensed with film analysis for puerile opinion of either liking or disliking a work, which should never be the dominant factor in a criticism. We’re meant to have differing opinions. Film criticism should be about understanding a work, not merely liking or disliking it on a popular basis. What S&E did was to give license to every idiot reviewer out there to rate artistic works as either on or off. It disgusts me.
The only redeeming value Ebert has is that he once worked as a produced screenwriter — and for Russ Meyer no less. For that he gets a point in my book. But nothing can undo the damage he did to film as an art form.
It seems Roger likely did not read your piece but just the Independent’s report on it. His blog is unedited, and this is probably something that would have been caught if he had an editor. I bet he will clarify. Whether he will “apologize” or not seems a silly question, and I’m surprised you even want one.
As for the original article, I see a couple of problems. First is the “cold shoulder” in the headline, which you probably didn’t even write. But it leads to some confusion. Second, while Ebert got it wrong, I think there is a pretty serious divide between what you wrote originally and what you are now claiming to have merely said. You’re putting more weight on “want” than it can bear.
Emphasis on the word want. Big difference. For example, I don’t especially want to cover the Oscars every year.
This explanation does not make sense, for the very simple reason that stars’ not “wanting” to be presenters but doing it anyway is simply not newsworthy in the least, anymore than is your not “wanting” to cover the Oscars but doing it anyway.
keep telling it like it is, lady….ebert sucks at the tit of beelzebub
“Del Coro” it is small minds like yours that make the world a dangerous place. Just because someone has a Pulitzer, or an Oscar, or went to this school or that, or has this degree or that, does not make that person a master or even necessarily competent. Hilarious that you are defending Ebert for his dishonesty not once but TWICE.
People need to stop relying on empty symbols to signal to them who is good, and rely upon their own judgment and intuition. You’re probably the kind of person that picks a doctor because he/she went to Harvard. We’re all suffering the consequences of blindly bestowing confidence and admiration on those who use their “respectability” to perpetrate fraud.
I didn’t take your comments to mean that those celebs wouldn’t show up, and I’m surprised that Ebert did. I thought the show started off fine (cheesy, but fine) but gradually got worse and worse. As for your being enraged and trashing the show–well, Nikki, you gave us the snarkiness we were looking for!
Very often those with the most impressive credentials are the most heinous because they feel free to hide behind their resume to cover their misdeeds.
Ebert is, and has always been a self righteous jerk. His thumb belongs up his ass. YOU, Nikki, are the future, babe! Siskel was the coolest, nicest family man with a true love for ALL cinema, not just specific films that fit his opinions and lifestyles.
Ebert is now the Charlie McCarthy of reviewers and Queen Latifah is his Edgar Bergen.
Final Nail
Hi, Paul. It’s nice to know you’re as ignorant as your brethren.
Ebert was the first (and for thirty years) winner of the Pulitzer Prize for CRITICISM. Not film criticism. ALL criticism.
If you think that’s some kind of black mark against him, you’re dumber than you sound. That’s actually fairly impressive, since you sound pretty goddamn dumb.
If the Oscars are Irrelevant, than Film Critics like Ebert & Film Bloggers like Nikki are 1000X more irrelevant than the Oscars
All those who post on this thread have no ethics. That’s a shame, because the entire post is ABOUT being ethical. Some things were misquoted, Nikki found out, and instead of getting hot-headed about it, she simply awaits fixation.
You commenting on the other hand, have no remorse for your words. I see this more as an Ebert-bash fest, rather than a discussion on ethics. Some posted that Ebert had a different opinion than them on movies like “Full Metal Jacket” and “Cop and a Half.” Listen, if a movie is good or bad, anyone can either like or dislike it….THATS HOW IT WORKS.
So for all those out there who feel that you are being ethical by bashing Ebert and totally skewing yourselves from the original idea of the blog, then pi$$ off. There’s a reason your on the computer right now, and not in direct contact with Ebert, telling him how you really feel.
As for you, Nikki, your right. I hope Mr. Ebert does get back to you, because I just can’t see him saying inaccurate things without getting back to them. Just like with “Tru Loved,” he went back, watched the entire film, and wrote another review/blog about it. I understand he’s a cat with a lot of work on his hands, and it’s good to know there are people out there to keep his work in check.
I used to get excited when he gave my previous films ‘Two thumbs up’, but it’s stopped meaning anything after the 8 minute movie review.
He should definitely apologize about that. Heck, he apologized about one of my films when he questioned something…he even did it on his website.
Curt
I find it ironic that Paul is castigating someone for vulgarity after posting his initial thoughts. You don’t need to use f-bombs to be judgmental or insensitive, and dismissing the entirety of the man’s work because of two bad decisions is a sad, oblivious reflection of the way that our country thinks about people. There’s a startling lack of empathy in the language used that does not account at all for the fact that first and foremost, we have ALL made bad decisions, cut corners, short-cutted to our desired destination on at least one or two occasions. That does not diminish the fact that we all have valuable contributions to make, and in the case of Ebert, he remains one of the absolute best writers in the history of criticism, Pulitzer or no, because he beautifully articulates why it is that he likes something. I admit that I don’t always agree with his opinions, but I respect them, and recognize that they are always well-articulated and thoughtful.
If you really believe that Ebert is a TV personality, you clearly don’t read his reviews (he hasn’t been on TV in years), which means that you wouldn’t have known about Ebert’s 8-minute screening/review without someone like Finke telling you about it, which means that you are in no way informed enough about his body of work and his contributions to the medium of film criticism to make judgments about his his writing, his career, or his character. While I don’t condone Del Coro’s use of profanity, it’s an equally empty and ignorant reaction to offer a reactionary and amorphous generalization about the way Americans react to differing opinions, especially after offering mean-spirited and vitriolic opinions about a the work of a person about whom you clearly know nothing.
Del Coro,
It’s not that the Pulitzer Prize isn’t an achievement; it’s that being awarded the Pulitzer Prize doesn’t give someone free reign or the justification to do whatever they please. To review a film, you must watch it in it’s entirity. Otherwise, you cannot make an accurate judgement or form a valid opinion of the film. People read movies reviews to get opinions on films, not opinions on the first 8 minutes of a film. To review a film based solely on the first 8 minutes is not only ignorant, but incredibly arrogant.
It doesn’t matter if the reviewer won a Pulitzer Prize or if he’s still living in his parent’s basement: reviewing a film based on the first 8 minutes is wrong.
Ebert’s an amazing writer, hence the Pulitzer Prize, but he’s let it get to his head. The fact that he initally tried to justify this 8-minute debacle is ridiculous, but the fact that he never admitted he was in the wrong is repulsive. Same goes for that instance where he continuously harassed Lou Lumiceck (or whatever that critics name is) by poking him in the back, then played the victim would Lou finally swatted his knee in an attempt to stop him. Of course all the Ebert fans defend him no matter what display of arrogance he’s gotten himself into.
I wholeheartedly agree Blotto.
BTW Nikki, you need to pay more attention to how you write.
And one other thing: Ebert didn’t apologize for his mistake, just made excuses…once again.
yeah – Ebert’s a sell-out – Finke is the source now.
Ebert’s mea culpa (of sorts):
Monday p.m.: Nikki Finke says on her blog that the London Independent, and therefore me, incorrectly read what she wrote. I am guilty of finding the quote above on the Independent’s web site. When I went to Finke’s site, I found her “Live-Snarking the Oscars.” Finke explains she never said those stars wouldn’t be on the program [as presenters], but that they didn’t want to be. Point taken, although it was not expressed with crystal clarity. I was reckless in assuming her negative tone was inspired by pique at the show’s producers. I guess she was just genuinely pissed off.
Well considering Kidman’s less than stellar performance during the Best Actress skit, I would say it’s not unthinkable that even though she was there physically, she didn’t WANT to be there.
Nikki has every right to object to being misquoted and misconstrued. Words are important in journalism. Actors are always whining about how journalists misconstrue them.
The whole actor presentation as performance art strikes me as an interesting idea but its execution was at times embarrasingly bad for both the past-winner and the nominee. Maybe that’s what the big names were balking at.
Ebert’s a tool. Once mildly entertaining, until he felt the need to wave his self righteous political views in everyone’s face. Over and over and over.
Roger, your 8 minutes are up.
Here’s to hoping you are still waiting.
You fucking idiot, Nikki! That’s NOT an apology!
ebert is a great man.
Nikki deserves her apology
Well, at least Roger wears a SAG/INDIE ball cap…
That’s pretty cool!
Cheers,
SAG MEMBER
“Yet, for some reason, the usually well-informed Independent-”
You don’t live in London, Nikki
Yes, “kindly posted,” after Ms. Finke basically bullied him into it.
I’m guessing most of the Anti-Ebert people here are Los Angelenos, through and through, and just can’t bear the thought of someone so steadfastly Midwestern being the nation’s authority on film.
Roger Ebert inspired me to be a better filmgoer, a better writer, and a better person. Finke, Wells, Poland and the like inspire me to hurl obscenities at my computer screen. I’ll settle for the Midwesterner.
Del Coro wrote:
excoriated him for reviewing a movie after watching only the first 8 minutes of it – something that I would have recognized back in my days as a college film critic as STARTLINGLY unprofessional…
I reply:
Really? I make no apologies for walking out of ‘Hostel’ — which I make no apologies for regarding as a sadistic, misogynistic pile of shit made by a mental midget for mental midgets. After forcing myself to watch the whole thing on DVD a year later, I remain unmoved.
I wrote my review, made it perfectly clear in the lead that I’d NOT seen the whole thing and left it up to my editor to decide whether to run it or not.
Having authored the opus “Beyond the Valley of the Dolls”, Roger Ebert can do no wrong in my eyes.
That isn’t an apology, it’s an admission of guilt. But if it’s all you’re going to get, there it is.