I'm told that January saw a lot of pushback from the various guild members and even board members angry over negotiated terms of the IATSE/AMPTP tentative contract in advance of what will be ratification votes this month. The result is that leaders of the individual guilds that comprise IATSE may have to ram through the pact. For instance, I've been told that, at the Special Membership Meeting on January 24th for the Motion Picture Editor's Guild IATSE Local 700, Executive Director Ron Kutak stated that the union ultimately will rely on members' votes, once cast, " 'represented' as a sort of electoral college, instead of treated as a general election." So if ratification had to rely on one member, one vote -- it would fail.
I first disclosed the terms of the tentative IATSE/AMPTP pact over Thanksgiving weekend even before union leaders had bothered providing details to members. The most controversial rollback is still this: that, effective 07/31/2011, the Health Plan will change the standards for continuing eligibility from a change of 300 to 400 qualifying hours over a 6-month period. Even the union reps are admitting this will cause 7% to 15% of the various IATSE Guild members to lose their insurance. (And if these are the official figures, you can bet the numbers will be higher.)
It's little wonder then that the individual guilds that make up IATSE are having trouble spinning this to members. Several "No 400 Hours" websites started up like http://www.400hours.com/ and these two on FaceBook here and here. And suddenly circulating among the membership are emails opposing the contract, like this one: "IATSE Members from many of the locals are banning together for the first time, as a collective, to fight the proposed AMPTP contract. Our mission is to reach out to as many of the 35,000 members under the Hollywood basic agreement and let them know what this contract means. The increase of 400 hours will cause over 3,500 members to lose their health insurance. The 'New Media provision is the other main reason for a "NO!" vote. The terms weaken our Union's Basic Agreement and open the door to major losses in every Local of hourly rates and working conditions. Remember, what you give away today, you are not likely to get back ever.... We want our members to VOTE NO! We are GROWING and we are MAD!"
Meanwhile, informational meetings held by the IATSE Guild leadership have been angry and nasty. To answer the disappointed and disgruntled members' outcry, the Guild leaders have begun using their websites to post "Vote Yes" testimonials, like this one from the International Cinematographers Guild IATSE Local 600's national executive board member John Toll: "400 hours? Lets face it. It sucks, but what are our options? Voting 'no'? Even if all IATSE locals voted against ratification, then what?" I've already reported about fireworks inside the ICG meetings on the tentative deal's rollbacks. Now, at the Special National Executive Board meeting held January 11th, the NEB voted to recommend that members cast ballots to ratify the new contract. But 39 voted "for", and 18 voted "against", with 1 abstention. "The sole purpose of this bullshit 'special' meeting was to get the NEB's approval so that Local 600 can now start selling this piece-of-shit to its members," one angry member emails me. "I can only hope individual Local 600 members show more courage and backbone than their elected representatives showed that day."
There were just as many fireworks at the Special Membership Meeting on January 24th for the Motion Picture Editor's Guild IATSE Local 700 at the DGA. Although held at 7:30 PM (which makes it difficult for the working members to attend due to an editor's 12-hour day, thus ensuring a smaller and more controllable crowd), there still were plenty of members there. "Well, if we were expecting sympathy or even clarity from the leaders of our local, we got little," one attendee emails me.
"We members were far less interested in the numbers crunching than what will be the human cost. Ron Kutak, Executive Director, and the Guild president, Lisa Churgin, would not address that [400 hours] issue at all and got very defensive, even rude, to the members when asked questions related to that. Many of the Editor's Guild members said that they were willing to sacrifice some of the pay increase to maintain their health insurance as is, with no rollbacks. Ron was adamant that was not possible and gave no explanation as to why. We are not asking to re-negotiate our share of the pie with the AMPTP, we just want our union to divide our share so that we don't lose our medical benefits as they stand now. As we all know once you give in and lose medical benefits, we will never get them back.
"And Ron stated that our votes, once cast, will be 'represented' as a sort of electoral college, instead of treated as a general election, which is what the membership has always been led to believe." Indeed, each local has "votes" based on the number of convention delegates they are allowed, one for every 100 members. Whatever way the majority of members in any local votes, so go all their delegate votes on the contract. And even if all the locals vote "no", the president of IA can force the contract on members.
The problem is that, because of the way that IATSE is configured, each of the locals affected by this contract know little about where the other locals stand on this. But now the disaffected members are starting to communicate with one another, and even meeting together independent of their leadership. They're united in their anger that none of their leaders even discussed the 400-hours rollback with them while its terms were being negotiated. Instead, they were prsented with a fait accompli. "It is not that the Editor's Guild doesn't expect to make sacrifices in our current economic client. It is that the studios are trying to break us," one angry Local 700 member emails me. "We get no respect, are expected to work through meals, stay past our 12 hours, not put in for turnaround or overtime. This was the same union that gave up the right to have an assistant editor with every editor on a show. Now editors commonly do the work of two. We can't even get the equipment or staff we need to do our jobs. Or we will never work for that studio again if we ask! Yes, blacklisting still exists today if you stand up for your rights. I thought that was the job of a union."
Attempting damage control, Ron Kutak sent his Editor's Guild members on January 19th two emails -- see below -- explaining how the Health Plan is funded, and why IATSE made the deal it did regarding the 400 hours rollback. (It's very similar to this December 4th email I reported that ICG Local 600 members received from national president Steven Poster.) But as an angry member emails me: "Note the fuzzy math. In the past, we were asked to take minimal wage increases to keep the Health and Pension plans funded. (Ron alludes to this.) So we were taking net pay cuts (when inflation is factored in) during the flush times to head off just the problem the funds are facing now. Note also how Ron points to the 3% wage increase as a coup when in fact AFTRA, DGA and WGA all received equal if not greater wage increases."
I've excerpted what Kurak said in his emails to members about the Health Plan below:
From: Ron Kutak
Date: January 19, 2009, 8:01:47 PM PST
Subject: Part 1 - Basic Agreement SummaryHEALTH PLAN
We faced a $587 million shortfall projected over the three years of the new agreement.
$200 million will be contributed by the producers into the Health Plan based on the reserve levels during the life of the contract.
The reserves in the active Health Plan will be spent down from 12.5 months to 6 months. The retiree reserves will be spent down from 16 months to 8 months, contributing $189 million towards the shortfall.
Some benefits needed to be changed, including a participant out of network co-insurance increase from 30% to 50%, introduction of mandatory mail order drugs for maintenance medication, increasing co-pays on doctor visits to $30.00 for those in the MPTF area not using MPTF services, introduction of a $5.00 co-pay on MPTF services, and in the final year of the agreement, beginning August 1, 2011, an increase in the eligibility requirement from 300 to 400 hours.
The bank of hours is preserved at 450.
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Part 2 - Background and ExplanationThis entire negotiation was really about two things: first and foremost, our Health Plan, and secondly, securing the jurisdiction over new media work in the same way the DGA, WGA, and AFTRA did.
Our Health Plan is in severe trouble due to the so far unabated rise in costs. Over the last three years, costs to the Plan have increased an average of 9.67% compounded each year. While this was happening, residuals and hourly contributions, two direct funding mechanisms, were essentially flat.
The residuals income is always used to first fund the Pension Plan, and whatever is left is then given to the Health Plan. Due to the Pension Protection Act, recently passed by Congress, the rules surrounding pension plan funding have changed. One aspect of these changes requires us to count all participants who have had contributions made on their behalf counted as if they will receive a pension when they ultimately retire. This is different than it used to be for us, as we only had to count vested participants (five or more qualified years) prior to the enactment of the new law. This means that our minimum funding requirement has increased, and there is even less from the residuals going into the Health Plan.
So, with hours and residuals essentially remaining flat, and a projected 9% compounded increase in health costs going forward, we have a projected $587 million shortfall to the Plans over the next three years. When the negotiations started, the producers claimed we had a $780 million shortfall. Why the difference?
Due to an extremely poor investment climate, the producers claimed an additional $200 million was necessary to make up for the 20% in losses the Pension Plan incurred for 2008.
We managed to nullify that claim. Because the Pension Plan has different investment returns each year, we have an 8% projected return that we use each year to “smooth out” variations year to year. Looking backward, we have made our 8% to date, and on a go forward basis our investment advisors, employed by the Finance Committee of the Plans, assure us over time we will continue to meet our 8% number. Our Pension Plan, as I have written before, is secure, and our returns are in the top 1% of all Taft Hartley Plans for 3-, 5- and 10-year periods.
The producers have agreed to put an additional $200 million into the Health Plan over the course of the next three years by way of increased hourly contributions.
This, coupled with our wage increases, gave us a comparable money package to those recently obtained by the DGA, WGA and AFTRA.
This left us with $387 million still to “find.” The reserves in the Health Plan, currently at 12.5 months in the active plan, and 16 months in the retiree plan, will be spent down to 6 and 8 months, respectively. This will provide $189 million toward the $387 million. (1 month of reserves equals the amount the Plan would spend providing coverage if all contributions ceased.)
The rest needed to come from Plan modifications. (The main ones outlined in my previous email.)
No one likes this. For us to keep the Health Plan intact, we did what we could to minimize the effect on all the members. This is not a “give back” to the producers, but a deal crafted in the face of rising costs in a terrible economic environment, based on what the consultants and actuaries, employed by both labor and management, as well as the Plans’ administrators, told the bargaining parties they needed.
The economics of the negotiation was all about the Health Plan. We needed, in a sense, this $587 million before we started, while still retaining a 3% wage increase per year. With inflation abating for the moment (the government number is .1% for 2008), we negotiated this 3% a year to make up for the years in other agreements where we had a $.50 or $.75 increase, when at that time, all the other money also went into the Health Plan.
Members have asked if an increase was necessary in the third year from 300 to 400 qualifying hours, why didn’t we increase the bank of hours? This would have increased costs, not decreased them. Raising the bank to 600 hours would have increased our shortfall by an additional $150 million. Remember, in 2000, the bank was increased from 300 to 450. Likewise, a two-tiered plan, if this were instituted, would result in a higher number of qualifying hours to qualify for the Plan we have.
Hopefully, the badly broken health care system in this country can be fixed, but in the meantime, every available dollar we can find has to go into our own health care.
It is still free to individuals and families, requiring work approximately 30% of the year.
As a Trustee and Co-chair of the Finance Committee of the Plans, I struggle with the economics of the Plans on an ongoing basis and assure you we are doing everything we can on all fronts.
Is no one going to mention the permission given in New Media projects to the Media Corporations to conduct NON-UNION WORK?
If the New Media proposal to IATSE is anything like what the AMPTP has offered all the other unions, the Headline is: “How the hell can you expect these hard-working crew members to make this 400 hr requirement when much of the work (in TV at first) will be NON-UNION.” (And “giving permission” means you can’t go in and organize it.)
Watch pilot season morph into “internet production” and why not; 90% of pilots shot never see the light of day anyway.
FIGHT.
400 hours will be a big problem for many on the TV show I’m on at the moment including me but what I see as a huge problem is the New Media terms to this agreement- it is union busting without a doubt.
If you think you will be working in television or movies in the next two or three years you will live what a bad deal the New Media deal is for IATSE members. It will be like working on low budget indie features all the time and hey I have already worked for nothing in order to get to where I am now – working on a IATSE Basic Hollywood Agreement show that can pay me a living wage and keep producers from abusing me and my crew.
Check out 400hours.com for New Media details.
Looks like IATSE membership is finally waking up to the fact that their leadership is in bed with the AMPTP
I have very little sympathy for IATSE. They went out of there way to undermine the WGA during their strike
good, now all the kvetchers from IASTSE that whined heir asses off about SAG going on strike can eat their words, and bend over and take it from the AMPTP…enjoy boys and girls….and remember, its best to work for massa no matter what you’re losing
To all the IATSE Members — Shut up and take the deal already!!!
Oh, and if IATSE strikes (which I seriously doubt they have the balls for) I’ll cross their line in a heart beat just like those schmucks crossed mine during the WGA strike.
Teamsters, now those guys I respect and won’t cross their line. I saw many teamsters walking with me during the WGA strike.
We all need to start talking, fellow IA members. This is only going to get worse, based on how little work there was last year and going into this one. It is absolutely necessary that our bank of hours be increased. Let’s show those SAG members how we can actually work together, for our collective good.
Ahh there is justice after all. I bet all those who have been posting on this site (Under fake names) telling SAG to suck up and take the deal will now change their names and say how can IASTE take this deal.
Well the shoe is now on your foot assholes.
Ok. So, where are the comments from all of the btl’ers who have continuously attacked actors who agreed with holding firm? Where ARE you folks? It is now too close to home? Are you maybe understanding, now that it’s in your backyard, what we as actors have been saying all these many months? Do you get it now? Although some of you have been so vile with your comments, we actors are supporting those IATSE members who are waging a campaign to vote “NO” on this piece of crap deal. I doubt you’ll see the amount of hateful vitriol from actors as we have from some of your members. In other threads I’ve actually read veiled death threats and warnings of poisoned food or beverages to Rosenberg and Johnson based on their lawsuit today from those who claim to be below the liners. So, now that the horrible “no residuals for all original product made for new media and endorsement of non union work in union contracts ball” is in your court, what are YOU going to do? Are you going to just take the deal because you’re worried about the economy or caterers or limo drivers or gardeners or etc… Please, open up your eyes. Your one person/one vote is even being threatened based on Nikki’s story. What are YOU going to do? I know there are thousands of actors just here in Hollywood who will stand up for you if you all stand up for yourselves. The AMPTP is trying to bust our unions. It’s as simple as that. And it looks like, based on what I’ve been reading lately on this site (although many have expressed the opinion that some of you are hired to blog for the employers), that the AMPTP will be successful. WAKE UP PEOPLE!!! Nikki, thank you, again for some great reporting. That troll/ AMPTP mouthpiece Jonathon Handle can’t hold a candle to you.
“Oh, and if IATSE strikes (which I seriously doubt they have the balls for) I’ll cross their line in a heart beat just like those schmucks crossed mine during the WGA strike.”
Hey, WGA next time you strike why don’t you write a few more shows before you walk out.
“I have very little sympathy for IATSE. They went out of their way to undermine the WGA during their strike.”
Hey, I’m an IA member and I have NO sympathy for its leaders. It’s members, however, are another story, completely. Most are good people.
I’d also like you to know I and my entire crew walked the very morning the WGA strike began, and stayed gone until it was settled.
If IATSE has the balls to reject this obscenely shitty deal, I’ll be proud to walk with them, even if their members gave me the finger, told me to “get a life” and “fuck off” when I was walking last year for my union. I say this knowing fully that IATSE has no balls.
Prove me wrong, stand up for yourselves and I’ll stand with you.
A poster named “Vince” said, “I have very little sympathy for IATSE. They went out of there (sic) way to undermine the WGA during their strike.”
Vince, I have nothing BUT sympathy for IATSE members. The ones who work on my show were universally supportive during our strike. It’s their leadership who fought us, and their leadership pushing them to approve a deal giving up their health insurance.
The WGA contract has no provisions for sympathy strikes, but if the day comes when my BTL colleagues need to walk off their jobs to preserve their health benefits, my staff and I are going to come down with the worst case of writers block this town has ever seen.
This is another one of those “deals” which so many people are saying is “done and signed”. Uh, not really, as we all can see.
I, as a SAG member, would like to offer IATSE support instead of rancor. If SAG chooses to flip off our fellow guilds during this time of their contract negotiation problems, what does SAG expect in return?
Stop and think. Things need to change.
SAG has a huge opportunity here to show what we’re truly made of – to put into action something we’ve been talking about for months and months – solidarity. IATSE is going through some of the same bullshit from the AMPTP that SAG is. Yeah, the shoe may be on the other foot. And yeah, maybe IATSE members haven’t felt SAG’s position. Until now.
So, SAG members, let’s not rub IATSE’s faces in their plight. “Toldja so!” is a childish and ignorant response to their situation. We (SAG) all know what they’re going through, and this is a perfect example of why we should stand together instead of pointing fingers at each other and blaming each other for our political and industry differences.
We are the labor force of the entertainment industry – all of us – and we should all know by now who we’re fighting against. Our “enemy” isn’t each other. It’s the greed of the AMPTP.
IATSE is running out of pension and health funds because they squandered it in high-beta investment funds and when the market crashed, so did their cash/benefit reserves.
Where is the audit of these funds? There has been more than a little talk of some substantial kickbacks/”business gifts” being given to IATSE executives for keeping their money with funds that were too risky by their very nature to be bought by pension funds. Financial circles have been mumbling about this for over a year, BEFORE the market went South.
The enlistment of risky funds and bribes/payouts/gifts/whatever you want to call it is something that should be explained to the entire union, and immediately. Pension and medical funds should be held in just about the most low-risk portfolios there are: Fortune 500 bonds, commodity bonds, T-Bills. Yes, all those took a hit in these last few months, but to the tune of 8-18% and not the 45-75% declines of real estate securities and insurance notes. The pension funds should still be solvent and be able to function. With even the remotest bit of lackluster financial management, there is no reason at all for pension and medical reserves/time to shrink to 40% of what they were a few months ago. EXPLAIN IT… and to the rank-and-file… DEMAND A PUBLIC EXPLANATION.
The current deal… well, it’s akin to IATSE being promised Net Profit Points for working for free on a production… and we know there are never any profits (according to SHAKESPEARE IN LOVE, they even knew that back in Elizabethan times.)
And now the same people who lost your money are going to give your labor away. It’s a great leadership strategy… if they really worked for Nick Counter.
IATSE has been in bed with the AMPTP for a long time. Your mediocrity is now entrenched; you had no integrity and now you have no muscle, no money, no faith, no position.
Welcome to the land of non-union freelancers.
I’ve been saying since the writers strike “if you think the writers are getting a bad deal, wait until they get to us”.
Carol Lombardini has engineered it so that the unions have done all the fighting for the AMPTP. They sit back, watch us and laugh and we all let it happen. The sad fact is that we are all unable to realize that it is the AMPTP that is the enemy while we fight our co-workers…
As a IATSE member, I am keenly aware that my union was founded by Chicago gangsters with the idea of keeping wages low and insuring there are no strikes. For a price, of course…
We’re all in this together. I am a SAG member and I will stand by any UNION brother or sister anywhere.
I’d love to see all the big star names like Clooney, Damon, Diaz, Alexander, Baldwin, Hanks and all the others come out for the children of UNION members who are about to lose health care rather than sidling up with the AMPTP multi-national conglomerates saying “take the deal.”
Shame on you George Clooney. Shame on you Matt Damon. Shame on you Cameron Diaz. Shame on you Tom Hanks. Shame on you Jason Alexander. Well, Alec Baldwin, we already know he has a problem with kids.
I have sympathy for the Iatse folks who now know what it feels like to have their union leaders turn on them, and sell them out, without their knowing.
SAG members who have been paying attention know that with the written assent from the thin majority of the SAG National board, the leadership of SAG is about to sell out it’s membership as well.
There are people in our organizations who are being paid to bust our union. We all know it. You know who they are: they are the ones saying, “Take the deal”.
Agreed with all SAG members who say we should show our SUPPORT for the IATSE struggles, with many of our concerns (e.g., allowance for non-union work).
C’mon, guys & gals. Take the high (and right) road. Lead by example. Put aside the insane anonymous name-calling vitriolic SAG bashing from many of these same people, and rather than “fire back” with the same disrespect they’ve shown us, wish them the best in standing strong.
Expressing crash and burn for IATSE because the nasty attitude so many have demonstrated for us, not only gets us nowhere … but in the long run undermines us as well. At the end of the day, we really are all in this together.
Best wishes for membership getting it together and not getting railroaded by their so-called “leadership” to accept any POS contract proposal.
best,
sterling
Lest we all forget: the TRUE purpose of the IATSE has ALWAYS been to supply the AMPTP with a “compliant workforce.”
Can’t WAIT to vote YES on their latest “fair and wonderful contract.”
Yeah right….
As much as I appreciate the irony of this shoe sliding onto the other foot, many IATSE members have been supportive of the WGA/SAG woes. Regardless of the very vocal and abusive contingent, this is really an opportunity for the guilds to work together for once and stop letting the AMPTP play off on-set feuds in off-set business. The enemy here are the people who want to cut your wages, take away your health insurance, and then break your union so you’re never able to fight back again.
What Justine said.
See? It’s the AMPTP against us. And who is us? All the brothers and sisters who do the work for the people who think they make the vehicles for Hollywood commerce to move forward. Damn, it’s just like years ago back east, the people in the offices thought they could manipulate those who did the work, gave the sweat, spent the hours. We need to work together to show them that we know what’s right and what’s wrong. It’s not that we’re asking for more pie than we’re entitled. We’re just asking for the pie to be cut fairly. And the way to get that is to join together, be strong, and stand up to their bullying ways. IATSE members, the clear thinking, proactive part of SAG is with you, if you’re with us. Together, we’re stronger. Let’s not be divided.
I really don’t appreciate the vitriolic tone from Me Firsters attacking IA crew with profanity. Our deal was just presented to us. Our contract is not up until next August. We are 8 months ahead of even needing to have a conclusive vote. Our situation and yours(8 months without a contract) are completely different. The only similarity is that they offered less than we want. That is the common thread in any negotiation for anything. Including when you go to buy a car, the dealer wants one price and you want a number lower. Our membership has not weighed in yet, and they will. We have not yet even begun to negotiate, and we will do so professionally.
So please, don’t take your history and saddle us with it as if we were a party to the infighting, bungled negotiations, letters of assent, replacement of MF majority, erroneous press releases, NY vs. LA lawsuits, and temper tantrums that have come to define SAG’s history.
To amalgamate the two issues as one is really narrow minded and shows no thought into the complexity of your own struggles.
Lest we all forget: the TRUE purpose of the IATSE has ALWAYS been to supply the AMPTP with a “compliant workforce.”
Yes, this occasion certainly calls for a history lesson, and there is no better place for that than here:
The Sixtieth Anniversary of the "War for Warner Brothers"
Folks wake up – the leadership in IA -Mr Short and cohorts have already sold us out. If every member voted NO, it would be overturned, our union is not concerned with protecting its members or standing up and supporting each other. What happened to us standing up and supporting other Unions- backing each other and creating a strong brotherhood?. Infighting and complacency have whittled us down. Hell i get better service and support from AAA and it only costs me $40 a year!
The AMPTP calls the shots, its time to “unionize” and band together, get some leaders in that can negotiate, stop giving and get fair deals, after all its not a negotiation if one side is dictating to the other, both parties have to get something out of the deal.
Stop bickering and lets support each other, talk with each other…..unite. (its nothing new, just forgotten)
Dear BTLer’s…
How do you like it now that the shoe is on YOUR foot?!
Is working 8 weeks out of every 24 instead of 6 really that much to get upset about? I have the sneaking suspicion that as bad as this deal may be, it’s a million times better than most people outside of the entertainment business will be getting over the next couple years and we’re liable to get zero sympathy from the public and press when the signs start going up.
-IATSE Member who will probably vote for ratification
Nobody is answering the real question about the 400 hours question… why is someone entitled to 6 months of full health insurance coverage for themselves AND their families when they only work @ 7 weeks out of the 6 months? (for editors, 60 hrs per week = 6.7 weeks to get to 400 hours)
How can anyone expect that kind of system to sustain itself when health care costs are going up 9-10% per year?
You’re not putting enough money into the system when you only work 6.7 weeks. So it has to come from somewhere. Nobody likes it, but it’s the real world.
What you forget is that the MIGHTY OBAMA said that he was going to fix the health industry. The studios are only helping him out. Anyone who thought that the studio complex would not take advantage of this doesn’t know the studios very well. After al, why would the studios pay for your medical when the government is planning to do it. So this is only the beginning. Any cost that the studios can get someone else to pay they will be all over it. Obama-Biden 08′–you suckers!
Nobody is answering the real question about the 400 hours question… why is someone entitled to 6 months of full health insurance coverage for themselves AND their families when they only work 7 weeks out of the 6 months?
They are our union brothers and sisters. When work is slack for some, the rest of us should help out.
You’re not putting enough money into the system when you only work 6.7 weeks. So it has to come from somewhere.
It does. It comes from all the money those of us who work more than 300 hours every six months pay into the system.
How can anyone expect that kind of system to sustain itself when health care costs are going up 9-10% per year?
Well, gosh – why do you think labor unions even exist in the first place? Everything is going up – including our employer’s profits…
For every dollar the Studios earn from home video sales, they currently kick in ONE CENT toward the health and pension plan. On their current take of over $30 billion a year, that amounts to $300+ million.
The shortfall in funding is projected to be $580M over three years, or $193M a year.
By increasing their contributions by ONE CENT per dollar, they could guarantee the plan for decades to come.
The time is long overdue for the working members of this industry to join forces, sync up ALL contract expiration dates, and negotiate from a position of strength.
The WGA’s fight is the SAG’s fight is the IA’s fight is the Teamster’s fight.
We must support each other and educate the pathetic “go along to get along” types in all the unions. They are as dangerous to our future as the bean counters.
It always surprises me how several people can read one sentence and all walk away with different interpretations.
I for one have always believed that what SAG is fighting for is right and fair- but that the way it has been ‘handled’ has been embarrassing to watch.
I also believe that IATSE is pretty much owned and operated by the AMPTP- but since SAG, WGA or DGA didn’t have sections for BTL crew, we had no choice but to join the union that would accept us and give us health insurance.
Now- when the WGA went on strike- my crew stood outside and held fists in the air out of support as they all drove away. SAG- hasn’t actually done anything but fight with each other- so we have gotten a little frustrated with the stagnation of an entire community because SAG can’t get their own ducks in a row. And now to add insult to the delays- SAG members who are frustrated that IATSE members are frustrated- want to wish us ill will before we have gotten to our signing date?
This treatment from some SAG members started long before anyone got frustrated with your negotiations- it happens during production all of the time- you treat us poorly- but we should support you. We get treated poorly by our own union, and you think that saying ‘I Toldja’, will inspire support now?
I think that SAG should clean up its own mess- and then maybe if they can do it by oh I don’t know… AUGUST- ask us to stand with you- when you can all stand together, maybe someone else might want to stand with you.
As for IATSE, we will be lucky to get a vote on our contract at all- you see we don’t have the option of getting rid of people that botch our negotiations- because we didn’t get to choose our leadership in the first place. We are held hostage by our union more than any of you, we get paid less, treated with less respect and we have more members- however, our past President Mr Short made sure that we could do nothing about it- ‘no-strike clause’, loop-holes for non-union members to work and join, and of course the fact that you can’t work on a project that pays a liveable wage without being IATSE.
So, excuse IATSE members for having been frustrated by the things that we don’t understand… choice of leadership, being paid multiple times for a single days work and oh yeah a little RESPECT.
zackery,
Getting tired of kissing all that ass yet????
“Eric” nailed it.
Lombardini is pissing in her panties with glee as we fight among ourselves.
Hell, I support IATSE 100%, even if some of them want to roast Alan Rosenberg on a spit.(who I support 100%).
I’ll walk on any picket lines they set up, if they’ll have me.
And I’ll only cross an IA line if by some chance I get hired on a show they’ve struck and I’m threatened with a lawsuit for not showing up. (Sorry — these no strike clauses are a bitch).
But that doesn’t mean I can’t forget my words, blow some takes, and join crew Members on a picket line before and after I work.It also doesn’t mean that I can’t smuggle out a call sheet so the IA folks can try and i.d. any scabs working on their shows. It also doesn’t mean that if I’ve got money in the bank I can tell my Agent I’m taking a vacation while the IA is on strike.
The AMPTP is the bad guy — not the other Unions.
The real question is this: In the unlikely event the contract is voted down, and in the equally unlikely event negotiations are reopened, and in the further unlikely event the Hollywood locals that opposed keeping the number of qualifying hours for healthcare coverage at 300 withdraw their preference, then can a better deal be worked out?
The history of this round of contract talks points to consistant “pattern bargaining,” so if there is any rejiggering of this deal it would, at best, shift the terms, but not increase its value.
I call it a long shot with a considerable downside. What if the membership votes down the contract and the AMPTP refuses to reopen negotiations? Not a pretty picture. Then we’d probably continue with our current contract and suffer with the plans being grossly underfunded. Remember, the AMPTP is injecting $200 million new dollars into the plans.
Don’t listen to the Chicken Littles. Vote for the contract.
As an IATSE member, and the only one I know that actually supported the WGA and supports SAG, it is shameful to me that the divisive strategy employed by the AMPTP actually has worked to keep our unions and guilds apart. I am keep reading all the statements in these comments that say, “Now see how YOU like it,” and don’t expect any support from us.
I know there are clear headed IATSE, SAG, DGA, and WGA members out there who actually can see past all of this. I appreciate their kind words and support. But, the voices of the mob mentality are drowning out what really is the problem here.
Our leaders are telling us to take a bad deal. Every contract for us has been a step back. HBO is STILL getting a sweetheart deal (pay off). There create this gigantic Safety Passport machine and yet there is no mention of severe financial penalties for long days or an enforced weekend turnaround so that we can enjoy some semblance of quality of life.
Finally they have gone far enough that I hope it enrages enough of the IATSE membership to vote NO and remind these IATSE negotiators that we ELECTED them. And they work for us. And if they can’t get the job done then we’ll get someone who can.
P.S. Vote Killface for President. Unrelated.
Isn’t this the same IA that:
Accepted a 30% pay cut for Movie of the Week’s?
Accepted a 3% pay cut for 1st year 1 hour shows?
Accepted giving up vacation/Holiday pay for some shows?
I remember one show that got the 1st year deal for 5 years running. It was called Strong Medicine.
Don’t listen to the Chicken Littles.
You write a 100% Chicken Little note, and then suggest we don’t listen to the Chicken Littles?
Duh!!
What if the membership votes down the contract…?
Let me predict the future for you. Since democracy does not exist in the IA, its president will sign it anyway.
WHAT IT ALL BOILS DOWN TO IS: SOMEONE MUST LEAD. WHO SHALL STAND AND SPEAK? WHO IS WILLING TO BECOME A LIGHTNING ROD FOR THE FEAR AND HATRED THAT HE OR SHE WILL INEVITABLY FACE? AND WHO HAS THE COURAGE TO FACE DOWN THE ARMIES OF LAWYERS, THE VINDICTIVE EXECUTIVES AND THOSE MEMBERS, LIKE EDITORBOY, WHO SOUNDS A LOT LIKE MY GRANDMA.
THERE ARE SO FEW OBAMAS, KINGS, GHANDIS MANDELAS. FORGIVE THE HYPERBOLE, THIS IS NOT ON THAT GRAND A SCALE. BUT WE HAVE A PRESIDENT WHO MEANS TO STAND AND FIGHT FOR ALL AMERICANS. BUT WE MUST ALSO FIGHT FOR OURSELVES.
DOES SOMEONE AMOUNG US HAVE THE COURAGE TO TAKE COMMAND? OR SHALL WE FOREVER AGREE WITH EACH OTHER ANONYMOUSLY WHILE THE AMPTP AND THE IATSE LEADERSHIP SCOFF AT US? IT WOULD BE EASIER FOR THOSE WHO ALREADY HAVE POWER. YET MOST LACK THAT COURAGE. THE RED SCARE OF THE FIFTIES PROVED THAT.
IF ONE STANDS, MANY OTHERS SHALL FOLLOW.
IT IS NO SMALL THING TO MAKE THAT CHOICE.
Dear Backbone who does not leave his/her name. (odd)
There doesn’t have to be a leader!
What is needed has ALREADY taken place. It’s a movement, An awareness or perhaps an Awakening of the IATSE members!
Folks are, for the first time getting the idea of what’s going on. WE ARE MAD AS HELL AND WE AREN’T GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE! (Seems to be their moto.)
Remember the 60’s? I don’t because I’m too young but I remember what it was about.
It was about CHANGE and what has happened is, members from different locals are really talking to each other now. It’s amazing! They are organizing.
400hours has email blast going out to thousands.
They also have people emailing in and saying that they have emailed 50 to 100 of their co-workers.
MEMBERS are spreading the word about how horrible this contract is and to vote no. No one is telling them to do it. It’s an organic being all on it’s own Member for members!
That’s all this thing is about. It’s about the members not about 1 person. (thats why we are in the mess in the first place.. )
The campaign is already on man, it’s happin’n, they are on the case.
That movement is http://www.400hours.com
400hours.com is the captain and she’s taken us to the promised land Hallelujah!
Peace out!
Until recently we in the IATSE had an International President who very publicly trashed other Unions (and some Locals in his own jurisdiction!), and was on record as saying that the IATSE would never strike. He is gone, but nothing has changed. Therefore, when your negotiators sit across a table from the AMPTP, what you are engaged in can hardly be termed collective bargaining. It is pleading, with hat in hand. How far have we come, then, from our historical beginnings as a “company union”, making sweetheart deals?
As long as the Studios show a profit margin, we who create the wealth should not have to give back wages, conditions or benefits. But we need a position of strength, of solidarity – foregoing infighting, internecine warfare, and fear of standing up for ourselves when confronting both our employers and our own hired staff. Sometimes standing up also requires some walking, with a picket sign in your hand. At the very least, it requires the balls to leave the possibility of striking ON THE TABLE.
A couple things:
The IATSE is made up of more than just the 18 locals whose contracts are negotiated as the Hollywood Basic Agreement. This means that the leadership isn’t very interested in our contract – and they’re especially not interested because they’re not elected leaders. There’s no democracy in the IA.
In my opinion, the vitriol towards SAG from the other guilds has to do more with the fact that the SAG leadership has failed to bring the actors union together, as well as the lack of preparation and strategy that, from the outside, seems to be clearly plaguing the SAG, and preventing them from making a deal. The reason for the ‘take the deal’ stance is that we’re ne 7 months past the expiration of the contract and the lack of a SAG contract has all but created a de facto strike. Most IA members, although they may make a decent living, can’t afford to weather a WGA strike, a de facto SAG strike, a potential real SAG strike, and then their own potential work stoppage. The idea of not working, and giving the producers even more of a reason to take the work out of town and our of country, terrifies those of us who could be wiped out financially by the time all of this is settled. We just want to get back to work, and the perception is that if SAG signs, and our own contract is worked out before it actually ends, then the rest of the year should be smooth sailing.
Thanks to all of the commenters who have pledged to stand with the IATSE in this fight. Thank you for recognizing that we deserve the support of the guilds, that we aren’t just laborers and do highly skilled work that allows the ‘talent’ to work with as little interference from the process as possible. We try to make your job easy – help us keep doing that by convincing your guild to stand with us against the AMPTP.
I still remember IATSE’s incredible support of the Writer’s Guild when we were on the picket line. Those HONKING HORNS were deafening!!!! Karma is beautiful, huh?
There was a popular saying many years ago. I’d like for us to apply it to our current situation regarding IATSE/SAG/WGA/DGA vs. the AMPTP:
All for one, and one for all.
We need to vote as a solid, single entity. We are a large powerful group of people in this town and we know who needs to hear us express our dissatisfaction with the problems across all contracts. They will not concede anything, unless we speak with one voice.
BTW, I fully support the idea of making all the contracts expire on the same schedule.
Every contract for us has been a step back. HBO is STILL getting a sweetheart deal (pay off).
The IA has made more than 1000 of these “sideletter” deals. One member sued to get copies, but only managed to obtain slightly less than 300 of them.
An interesting question amidst all this is who owns,
say, HBO, and are they a signatory to the Basic Agreement?
There [sic] create this gigantic Safety Passport machine and yet there is no mention of severe financial penalties for long days or an enforced weekend turnaround so that we can enjoy some semblance of quality of life.
We once had them. Double time after 12 (still a California state law), nighttime differential pay, double time on weekends, significant meal penalities (also still a state law), etc. The list of things lost is long, indeed.
The main function of this program is to limit the liability of the employers. That’s not to say it’s all bad, but to explain why things like Brent’s Rule (regarding an IA member who died from lack of sleep) have not gotten any traction.
Until recently we in the IATSE had an International President who very publicly trashed other Unions (and some Locals in his own jurisdiction!), and was on record as saying that the IATSE would never strike. He is gone, but nothing has changed.
Short remains “President Emeritus.” Those of you unfamiliar with the term would do well to look it up.
Speaking as a member of local 600, it would be great if all of us (and I mean ALL of us – SAG/AFTRA actors, DGA directors/asst directors, IATSE editors, crew) were represented by the teamsters. We could finally have some actual collective bargaining power. Unfortunately, it’ll never happen. As long as the AMPTP keeps our different groups squabbling amongst ourselves, they will keep laughing all the way to the bank, and canada, and right to work states…
But the unemployed actor can still feel a little more important than the unemployed AD who can feel a little more important than the unemployed editor who can feel a little more important than the unemployed grip – after all, we’re not working class – we’re in a GUILD…
Equally egregious is the following provision (copied from Ron Kutak’s first e.mail to Editor’s Guild Members):
“Some benefits needed to be changed, including a participant out of network co-insurance increase from 30% to 50%, … increasing co-pays on doctor visits to $30.00 for those in the MPTF area not using MPTF services…”
To illustrate what this means: The MPTF medical services do not include pediatric and there are few in-network participating general pediatricians (let alone specialists). A visit to a “non-participating” (out-of-network) pediatrician usually runs around $100. With a 50% benefit (50% of $100 = $50.00) and a $30 co-pay ($50.00 minus $30.00) a member will be reimbursed only $20 for a child’s visit.
The fantastic health benefits IA members have enjoyed have long mitigated the less than stellar wage base and the lack of advantageous benefits other craft guilds have been able to negotiate for their memberships. We need to raise a stink.
As a SAG actor I will stand with the IA members though they’ve not supported us until now. We all must unite to save our livelihoods from global corporations.
I agree with all the dissenters. The IA looks ridiculous & has almost no power/position unless the actual working IA members show it (btw, re: wga support etc–plenty of IA crew showed WGA support–including many reality shows I was on–IA isn’t one entity).
As it stands now, I have very little reason to work under IA if most of the shows go Non-Union–with the added rainbow of 400 hrs tacked on–that is simply called “union busting”. There is no reason to have a “union” negotiate terms like that. and especially so now that the Locals don’t even have elected officials representing them, nor is there any collective bargaining (or strikes) with the other guilds.
What’s worse is that the tighter these Union belts get, the more expensive the dues/fees become—w/ less and less benefits. That creates a vacuum of “freelancers/vendors” doing a majority of the work–sometimes paid less, sometimes more. Buying their own health insurance–etc. Why would you organize if you’d just get something worse?
Again–what does that look like? A busted union is what.
As someone said above, it’s either “all for one, one for all”, or welcome to the world of freelancers.
Equally egregious is the following provision (copied from Ron Kutak’s first email to Editor’s Guild Members):
“Some benefits needed to be changed …”
Speaking of egregious and benefits and less than stellar wages, the Editors might be interested in Mr. Kutak’s compensation, and comparing it with their own. Thanks to the Labor Management Reporting and Disclosure Act, this is not very difficult. It can be done by going to the US Department of Labor’s Organization Query Page and looking up both the International and Editors Guild forms LM-2 (because he gets paid by both entities). Here are the file numbers to enter for each (this has to be done one file at a time):
000-172 International
541-305 Editors
Then, on the page this brings up, click on the 2007 Report link, then search for Kutak after the LM-2 itself comes up. Add the numbers in his right hand (Total) column for each entity, and, well, there you are…
Data for 2008 will be available in a few months.
Ron Kutak has bent over and taken up the arse for years…and now this..thanks Ron..you fucked up 776 and now 700 ..you are useless
I’d also like to add that Ron Kutak enjoys his 5 to 8 hr days in his office while getting full guild benefits. He has never busted his ass in a cutting room for 80 hours a week for a movie and then missed his insurance hours by 2 hrs. The guy is so worthless…he has been for the last 20 years. The guild itself has been a joke for the past 10. The assistant editors jobs have been handed to the labs on a silver platter with no consequence other than a loss of hundreds of jobs and no more clear classifications in the rooms. He and the “elected” board are a joke and now the union is being busted and it is their fault..
I was in that guild for 18 years. The best people there have died literally. That place is a perfect example of those who can work..those who cant…work at the guild. I hate them.
Please, please – - – let’s not eat our own. Ron Kutak and others on the IATSE side of the table are doubtlessly very able negotiators, with long experience. But without an absolute threat in their pocket, which they can make if they are stonewalled in all demands and when asked to give back wages, conditions and benefits previously negotiated…what are they supposed to do? We need to form a shoulder-to-shoulder line with all the other laborers and creators and artists in the Industry, and demand both that our own union officials know our will and stand up for us; stand up for each other; and be willing to walk out in solidarity to counter the greed and arrogance of the AMPTP.
Let’s not make the corporate entities any more gleeful then they are about the dissension and dysfunction in our ranks. Let’s change things by respecting Labor and uniting to shift the power.
Thank you unionfan…. until we recognize that every one that gets a check for working in this business ,that includes the SAG WGA DGA teamsters and the IA , is viewed by the check writers as a btl person… the writers produce the words that the directors give the actors that the camera opps shoot with the light that the electricians shine on the set that the carps built with the supply’s that the teamsters hauled so the …… and so on…. divide and conquer, that’s the goal of the check writers
Thank you so much for letting the “Hollywood community” know about our plight! You are the only press that is interested in seeing who and what is being done and how it is affecting the crew members who support Writers Actors, DGA members. Thanks so much again! A below the line crew member! You are a star!
I heart Justine Bateman
$ 200 million.? a drop in the bucket for the “corporation’s” [amptp]
this contract sucks. read it close.
i have worked 20 years in motion pictures and television>
what happened to the statement..” WE TAKE CARE OF OUR OWN ” ??????? Lets close “The Home”? and Motion Picture Hospital ?, oh, and get rid of [ what i have read , would be 12% of the current health care membership???...THIS IS ALL WRONG! we make actors and coporations[ I dont call them studio's anymore] and advertiser’s = $ MILLIONS’s
I am voting” NO” wake up IATSE!
Hey brothers and sisters. When the contract negotiations were split up from each other years ago we were all doomed. As an IA member I fully support SAG in their demands and really wish that they had called a strike in July before the economy really took a dump. It would all be over by now because it would have killed the money maker, TV. Now I haven’t worked for 10 months because nobody could make up their mind and still can’t. It is unfortunate that there are so many union leaders out there that none of us trust and so many great members that listen to their vitriol. We are all film makers and fellow humans and we should spend a bit more time trying to support each other rather than demonizing our various organizations, we all have families to feed and we all have friends that are in each of these different organizations…remember that before you start using the blanket attacks and generalizations about the other guilds and unions around you.
Come meet this Saturday in Santa Monica at (Pacific and Ocean Ave 10am-Just South of the Pier-
We will meet with our Signs and Rally at the Independent Spirit Awards-
COME OUT !
UNITE IN THE FIGHT !
Make a sign to bring! Wear Red !
This is a great chance for us to meet and unite and show OUR STRENGTH!
And media will surely be there!
Thanks for the Coffee and Donuts at the Rally at the Spirit Awards!
It was a shame that no one came out to “meet and unite and show our strength”???
But We had loads of fun talking to Justine B, Mickey R, Mariah C, Melissa L, Teri, H
That is the 5 OF US !
Apathy is alive and well in IATSE and SAG
Of course there’s also the awful New Media “all conditions negotiable” (minimum wage??!!)and the new
Medicare Part D for prescriptions, but here’s the worst part:
ALL OF THIS EGREGIOUS CONTRACT LANGUAGE WAS SUBMITTED BY THE IA AS THEIR PROPOSALS. THE AMPTP MERELY SAID YES.
The IA leadership is using scare tactics to ensure ratification. They’ve twisted the arms of all the BAs to get their endorsements, and they’re threatening dire consequences to the rank-and-file.
Fuck them.
This qualifies as Failure of he Duty of Fair Representationon the part of the entire IA leadership.