UPDATE: Tonight, the SAG National Majority-controlled actors guild finally sent out its first statement regarding the current AMPTP negotiations standstill, and the AMPTP responded. (See both below) The rejection of the AMPTP’s “last best & final” offer made Wednesday was not a unanimous vote — 73% to 27% — at today’s Special Meeting of SAG’s National Board. And the panel refused a Membership First-sponsored motion to both reject the AMPTP’s “Last Best & Final” offer and in addition send out the Strike Authorization Vote to members. “The majority of MF didn’t believe just a rejection was strong enough,” a source tells me. But the board also refused to let SAG members choose whether to ratify the AMPTP’s proposed TV/Theatrical Contract as is. (FYI: I urged the previous leadership, and I’ll do it again now, to send out the contract to SAG members as soon as possible. They need to have their voices heard.) So, once again, the SAG-AMPTP negotiations for a new pact are at an impasse.
It continues to amaze me how the SAG National Majority and their handpicked new Interim National Executive Director David White and Chief Negotiator John McGuire have no immediate plan, no blueprint for the future, no even suggestions, as to what to do next now that the SAG-AMPTP talks are stalled yet again. Especially since the coalition-in-charge of Unite For Strength, the New York Division, and the Regional Branches kept complaining about the exact same impasse under the previous leadership. “Considering how they behaved today, they’re not just still in shock from Thursday. They must be in a coma,” my source said.
Several sources tell me that White himself told the National Board today that the AMPTP’s offer “sucked” — then apologized for using “such inappropriate language”. (I’m pretty sure SAG members have been using way worse words to describe it.) But White offered no guidance to the board as to what to do next. Nevertheless, his new $400,000+ contract as Interim NED was approved at today’s plenary. But it was done without any board vetting. “The New York Division denied the board any opportunity to ask questions regarding White or the contract,” one of my sources fumed tonight. “So SAG just hired its highest paid executive without an interview.” (One question would have been why White is receiving the equivalent of former NED and chief negotiator Doug Allen’s salary but doing only half the work.)
So now the SAG National Majority has put the Guild into an awkward “wait and see” position, naively hoping against hope that the AMPTP will take pity on it and offer better terms. As if. Even the previous leadership only faced a “last and best” offer, not a “last, best and final” offer which is even more unmoveable in labor negotiations. Especially with the AMPTP threatening to withdraw it or offer worse terms if the LB&O isn’t approved within 60 days. ”Things are at more of a standstill than before,” a source tells me. My own guess is that the AMPTP will laugh in SAG’s face. One SAG National Majority member told the meeting she thought SAG should just stay with its old contract — which would mean absolutely no pay for New Media at all for the actors for another two years at least.
Here’s the SAG statement tonight:
STATEMENT FROM SAG NATIONAL BOARD OF DIRECTORS
SAG NATIONAL BOARD REJECTS AMPTP LAST, BEST AND FINAL OFFERLos Angeles, (February 21, 2009) – The Screen Actors Guild National Board of Directors today voted 73% to 27% to “reject the AMPTPs last, best and final offer dated February 19, 2009.”
We entered this round of negotiations sending an unmistakably clear message that we were ready to make a deal. In an effort to put the town back to work, our negotiator agreed to modify the Guild’s bargaining position to bring the Guild in line with the deals made by our sister unions.
The AMPTPs last-minute, surprise demand for a new term of agreement extending to 2012 is regressive and damaging and clearly signals the employers’ unwillingness to agree to the deal they established with other entertainment unions. The demand for a new term of agreement was not part of their final offer of June 30, 2008; it was not part of the federally mediated talks of November 2008, and should not have been inserted into the discussions when we returned to negotiations on February 17, 2009.
What management presented as a compromise is, in fact, an attempt to separate Screen Actors Guild from other industry unions. By attempting to extend our contract expiration one year beyond the other entertainment unions, the AMPTP intends to deleverage our bargaining position from this point forward.
Screen Actors Guild’s goal is to successfully complete these negotiations and get the industry back to work as soon as possible. The AMPTP has clearly stated their need and desire for financial certainty and industry peace. This new proposal does the exact opposite, and will only result in constant negotiating cycles and continued labor unrest.
So the SAG National Majority now admits it rolled back the previous leadership’s bargaining positions. Yet see how the AMPTP tells the so-called “moderates” that their terms are still too militant. Here’s the AMPTP statement:
The Producers’ offer is strong and fair – and has been judged to be strong and fair by all of Hollywood’s other major Guilds and Unions. We have kept our offer on the table – and even enhanced it – despite the historically
unprecedented economic crisis that has clobbered our nation and our industry. The Producers have always sought a full three-year deal with SAG, just as we negotiated with all the other Unions and Guilds, and have offered SAG a way to achieve an earlier expiration date without contributing to further labor uncertainty. We simply cannot offer SAG a better deal than the rest of the industry achieved under far better economic conditions than those now confronting our industry.






I know precisely how to proceed.
FULL SPEED AHEAD!!
We will merge with AFTRA in record time!
Pay no attention to those giant white things on the horizon.
We are unsinkable! It says so in the brochure.
No clue huh? Imagine that… Maybe the U4S’s can give back their seats. Give us back our duly elected president and voice, Alan Rosenberg along with our proportionately representative negotiating committee and last but not least our “hard nosed” negotiator Doug Allen and let the grown-ups get on and back with the union buisness of securing working actors a FAIR contract!
let me guess…sag thinks they have a good shot at getting bailout money from the Obama administration…
When I’m stuck like this I usually call someone who has more experience and understanding than me. Maybe they could call Doug Allen.
Fuck me…there you go Matt…you got your wish. Enjoy watching the town shut down. Fuck SAG.
Let’s see – both MF and UFS think the offer sucks, MF is under the delusion that a SAV is still possible and UFS KNOWS a SAV would fail leaving them forced to take the offer. Yet NEITHER side trusts the judgement of the members enough to send the offer out for ratification, MF because it might pass UFS they think it might not. All this and as the terms of the offer stipulate, the deal can be withdrawn completely or a lesser offer can take it’s place if action is not taken in 60 days. The AMPTP may be approaching a time where they are no longer bound to remain signatory to SAG as the exclusive actors union for feature films leaving AFTRA with a contract in place to fill the void. Think it can’t happen? It already has happened in the history of labor in America. RESPECT THE MEMBERS AND SEND THE OFFER OUT FOR RATIFICATION!
Oh, for GOD SAKES!!!
Well, since you have correct information, what the hell. The extremists on both sides, and after this missed opportunity, I have no hesitation saying that, have blown a chance to find SOME common ground and MOVE the union forward.
White was approved without ANY vetting. The NY contingent made that possible.
White DID say “this deal sucks.”
So – the HANDPICKED guy by UFS says that, and, in the Hollywood division, everybody breaks into spontaneous applause – EXCEPT UFS members, all of whom seemed stunned THEIR guy said the truth.
There WAS an opportunity between the two Hollywood factions: UFS and MF to POSSIBLY form some sort of consensus around “reject the contract, and send out the SAV.” The squabble was over “Wait 30 days? Wait 45 days? (to give the AMPTP, after the contract had been rejected, time to perhaps respond to the contract being rejected with a better offer)
But – who put the kibosh on ANY SAV talk?
New York. Specifically Richard “I’ll never strike” Masur. NO SAV attachment, with 30 or 45 days – period, end of story.
This union is being run by extremists – on both sides – New York AND L.A.
People who are SO consumed with revenge and hatred for the other side, they have lost ALL perspective as to what is needed to do SOMETHING.
MF HAD the chance to send out the SAV, OR send out the contract – either one. They did neither. They “waited” out of fear they wouldn’t get the result they wanted.
New York HAD the chance today to send out an SAV and cut to the chase – they dind’t do it. ANYTHING that allows an SAV to get into the hands of ANYONE – even “their fellow moderates – UFS” is off-limits. They don’t trust Hollywood – whether it’s UFS OR MF – to send out an SAV, because Richard Masur is afraid it might pass, along with a number of other NY people – but he is the ringleader, the bully who talks loudest and runs roughshod over anyone who disagrees with him.
On the MF side – it’s David Jolliffe – he shouts, he’s angry, sometimes rightfully so, but he gets us NOWHERE. It’s all about how NY has screwed them in the past, told them one thing – PROMISED them one thing – and then done something else.
It was said openly today “we don’t trust you” and “yeah, well, we don’t trust you.”
SAG needs to throw ALL these people out on both sides of the divide and get some sensible adults, without the baggage, and make some fucking decisions.
Right now? SAG just officially voted to reject the contract, nearly unanimously, the only people who voted no, where the usual suspects on the MF side, who wanted to vote ON PRINCIPAL so as not to agree in ANY WAY with UFS or USAN or NY or RBD. The few MF members who voted no, voted so simply to express their REJECTION OF THE REJECTION of the contract MINUS an attached SAV.
How’s that for the train wreck the leadership of SAG has become?
So – no to the contract. The membership? Doesn’t get to vote – AGAIN. Not on the contract. Not on an SAV – nothing.
The membership votes on nothing with UFS in charge.
The membership voted on nothing with MF in charge.
They plan to turn to the commercial contract, and then, at some later date, return to the TV/Theatrical.
How is that for completely inefficient, emotion and ideology driven non-leadership?
Is there ANY way the membership can take back this union from these people? NOW?
Because we can’t afford any more or this behavior – that’s for damn sure.
LET the membership vote on an SAV, OR, let them vote on the contract – but let them VOTE.
YOU serve US – NOT the other way around.
Pop the champagne… we’ll worry about this on Monday morning!
The only hope this business has is for hypocrites like George Clooney to take a break from his photo ops with impoverished children overseas and take a stand on the children of his coworkers and fellow union members and demand the AMPTP offer a fair deal so we can get back to work.
When these stars suggest SAG take the offer they are threatening not just their fellow SAG members, they threaten everyone who relies on the entertainment industry for their survival. Because this contract offer is FORCING US TO VOTE YES ON THE STRIKE BALLOT.
The AMPTP is the enemy for sure, but as these stars sidle up with the AMPTP they screw the livelihood of everyone who works for a living in this town.
Unless Clooney, DeVito, Hanks, Alexander, Diaz, and the rest of the self-serving millionaires reconsider their stand to support the conglomerates who deny Americans fair pay and health insurance for their children this thing will drag on FOREVER.
SAG members will not approve this contract. Sop let’s start the strike now instead of watching a pushing contest in the SAG board room that today cost the membership $400,000. C’mon!
On a side note, that moron Ned Vaughn at the last meeting I attended made a statement before the Board introducing himself as “Ned Vaughn, a member of Unite for Strength…” Other UFS members introduced themselves the same way. What??? Is this a game to these morons?? They should be SAG Board Members PERIOD. Petty. “I’m Alfalfa, a member of the He Man Woman Haters Club.” C’mon people. Grow up!!!!
Now back to the celebs who really run the world:
The short-sightedness and self-serving of these fellow union members who choose to side with the AMPTP rather than educate themselves and support the teams from all the unions that support them is despicable.
First, I object to the idea that David White’s worth what we were paying Doug Allen if he’s not our chief negotiator as well as NED.
Second, for $400k a year, I expect better than being told what I already know – that the AMPTP’s “last best final” neener-neener-neeeeeeener offer “sucked”. I expect that White would have some idea as to what he’d like to do about it.
White has to know he’s got MF totally behind him for sending out an SAV, so the lack of movement may rest with the new majority coalition. I think at this point the coalition could easily tell the high-profile hyphenates to take a hike and send out the SAV. With a recommendation for a yes vote from MF and the coalition, I’m confident we could marshal 75%.
Now if the strategy – as I have already read some speculation about – is to sit on our hands for a spell and join the WGA in a couple of years, White should at least have the testicular fortitude to come out and say so. I’m not sure how that would work, honestly. Aren’t there conditions under which the employers could impose the new contract unilaterally???
Maybe the problem is the SAG election coming up before that – an election that could see U4S and other so-called “moderates” (not my term for them, the AMPTP’s. And we’ve now seen their opinion of that faction) shown the door before they even had a chance to measure for curtains.
I would like to think that isn’t the case. I would like to think that all factions – even if they disagree about this or that – at least have the best interests of the guild at heart.
For quite some time now, more than a few actors have been saying the one thing the AMPTP will actually respond to is pain applied the one place they feel anything at all – their pocketbooks.
Mr. White, and ladies and gentlemen of the new majority coalition, your choice is clear. You can either sit on your hands for two years, and maybe you’ll still be in national and regional board positions to work with the WGA, or send out the SAV now.
In any event, I have one urgent request. Hire a good dozen or more organizers post-haste. The time is now to build up SAG the way Patric Verrone built up the WGA in preparation for their last labor action. If you expect the WGA to take you seriously as a negotiating partner, you have to show them you understand – as they do – the vital importance of grass-roots labor organizing.
Put some sort of ballot in my mailbox already. Either put this to the vote by the membership or put out a strike authorization. No one’s going to listen until the membership speaks out one way or the other.
That’s right, Chris. It’s clearly SAG’s fault and the not the greed and rigidity of the AMPTP. Brilliant and well-worded response.
Enough’s enough. We paid initiation fees, we pay dues. It’s our union. There has to be something membership as a whole can come together and do instead of letting our own “leadership” play keep away with us. Send out the strike authorization already. But do so realizing the AMPTP will not blink at the mere passage of it. Don’t be “shocked” if they aren’t fazed by an authorization alone. The only message these people will get is a strike. Period. They’ll never agree to give us back anything we give up now, so forget the Polly-Anna “let’s just agree to the deal now and renegotiate in 3 years” cry. The AMPTP is already trying to put us last in the batting order again so we can be painted as villains for not rubber stamping the deal that every other union took.
Wow, Doug Allen gets 400K, now White gets 400K. I want 400K. Can I become the next negotiator? I’m broke, I need 400K, I’ll get things rolling, promise.
10 year vested member of SAG!
I didn’t want to do it but… Fi-Core, here I come!
FUCK SAG! I’m D-O-N-E!
Could someone please put a muzzle on Richard Masur.
He is sabatoging SAG out of revenge. Enough already, Please, please, Richard, get a life.
Fuck Sag. Why should they get a better deal than everyone else?
Fuck Sag
richard masur and his minions are anti-unionists who should be charged with conduct unbecoming and thrown out of the union.
Although I’ve always felt the negotiating committee under Rosenberg and Allen was undermined by both the “stars” and UFS, when UFS got control of the room I reluctantly gave them the benefit of the doubt. I wanted them to show us what they could do. Certainly Ned Vaughn spoke publicly that they “knew how to get things done.”
Unfortunately, the situation is worse than ever and the proposed idea that we could negotiate at a later, more ideal date, with AFTRA or the WGA which was meant to inspire confidence in some invisioned future clout…well that’s not in the cards.
So, what to do?
Mulhern is right. MF, for whatever reason, after polling the members, did not send us a contract or an SAV. And now, the majority-UFS- because of the economy(?) or Masur’s absolute antipathy, also will not send out a SAV. More significantly, it seems they are reluctant to even send out the contract…
Well, you know what? That doesn’t fly. It’s time for us to get our Union back. You guys on both sides of this stupid struggle for control have failed miserably and we, the membership, have been without a voice.
SEND OUT THE CONTRACT! DO IT NOW!
This is not representation. You are being abusive to the membership. Your actions constitute gross incompetence and hubris on the part of ALL the board members.
I really don’t care who was wrong in the past or whose tactics were the most blind or damaging to our cause. I WANT A SAY IN THIS!
I WANT TO VOTE! I WANT TO VOTE NOW!!!
Well…
A Membershipfirst board member made a motion to thoroughly reject the LBF and send out the SAV. That was their motion. It failed due to the lack of support from all UFS, NY and virtually all RBD members. MF wanted to get it out to the members. They were denied. So, the majority of MF voted against the simple motion to just tell the AMPTP that SAG denies its LBF because it lacked any teeth. Do you think the AMPTP cares if SAG refuses it’s LBF? Come on!! Also, I’ve been told that there is very little trust for UFS/NY/RBD by MF due to the recent written assent. The fear was that if there was a strong unanimous turnout of that vote, the AMPTP may amend their demand that SAG negotiate early with AFTRA by Nov 10, 2011 “or else” and then “I’ll take anything McGuire” would then present the AMPTP a SAG package that is completely gutted of all that is worth fighting for, including residuals in new media, and the AMPTP will agree, announce a tentative deal, and UFS/NY/RBD will claim victory, Ned Vaughn will be seen as a genius and McGuire will be called a tough, heroic negotiator. Screw that!! The majority of MF is holding firm for us. They believe the fix is in. How much you want to bet that UFS/NY/RBD may try another written assent to deny the board a minority report if SAG does finally send out a referendum? Or a written assent that gives McGuire the authority to present a final proposal package to the AMPTP without any imput from the board or that so- called New “task force”?
Please keep fighting strong, MF. And please do whatever you guys can to ensure that at some point the members get to have some sort of say whether it be a SAV or a referendum? The AMPTP has said, clearly, “Fu%$ You to both Doug Allen, Alan Rosenberg et al and now Ned Vaughn and his crew. We told you. The AMPTP doesn’t give a flying you know what about who sits on the other side of the table. They are there to bust our union. Didn’t Vaughn and his crew state in the written assent that they, under the leadership of McGuire and the new and improved negotiating committee would bring back a deal in a New York minute? Didn’t the written assent blame Doug Allen and others for irresponsibly dragging their feet? Didn’t Vaughn and his gang accuse Doug Allen et al for being too unrealistic and strident with the AMPTP, therefore causing too much of a delay in the negotiating process? Ok, so now where are we, Ned? What’s your end game plan? Why couldn’t you do what you claimed Doug and others couldn’t do? Why couldn’t you and your gang deliver a contract that the national board could enthusiastically endorse? You had three full days. Remember when Ned, Sam and that gang complained that Doug et al had “Two full days” of mediation and couldn’t deliver a contract? Remember that? Not so easy is it, Ned. And you had the Great McGuire on your side. The man whose been a SAG negotiator for 40 years! The man who knew the in’s and out’s of the contracts and where all of the bodies were buried. And of course you had the fabulously talented, savvy and negotiating experts Fairchild, Fried, Hodge, Pneiwski,Duer, Robards and last but not least, you, Ned. The smartest of them all. You, the UFS golden boy. You’re a freakin’ joke.
which dirtbag over at the Film Actors Guild do we send our mortgage statements to ?? You idiots are going to lose my home for me … f’ all of you !!!
allow our membership to vote
allow us to strike
that is our right
if not, this union is toast and you won’t be seeing any more checks in the mail, our hard earned dollars to prop up your internicine bickering and finger pointing incompetence.
The members want their union back. NOW!
“a Captain should endeavor with every art to divide the forces of the enemy, either by making him suspicious of his men in whom he trusted, or by giving him cause that he has to separate his forces, and, because of this, become weaker.”
The Art of War (Dell’arte della guerra)-Machiavelli
union advocate wrote:
“MF wanted to get it out to the members. They were denied.”
i would like to add AGAIN. MF was denied the opportunity to take this to the membership for, what is it now, the third time?
there’s more union history, union and labor law knowledge, tough negotiating ability and wisdom in three MF members, in particular, than there is in almost the entire union combined.
Has anyone thought that by rejecting both the contract and the SAV they can now say “Let’s merge with AFTRA now, They have a contract?”