Tonight, ABC’s Nightline looks at the recession and viewership woes of Daytime TV. Of course, the show is an advertorial for All My Children and its veteran star Susan Lucci. But there does seem to be some journalism in the aftermath of pulling the plug on Guiding Light , the veteran CBS soap, or firing senior actors off NBC’s Days Of Our Lives. Even La Lucci had to take a pay cut. Julie Hanan Carruthers, All My Children‘s exec producer, says the recession is hitting the folks behind Pine Valley. “So far, the tough economic times haven’t actually worked their way into the soaps’ ever-evolving plot lines. But behind the scenes, daytime shows face tighter budgets, shrunken ad revenues and competition for viewer attention from new media,” Nightline says. Luke and Laura’s wedding on General Hospital pulled in 30 million viewers in 1981. These days, soaps are lucky to pull in 3 million. Soaps increasingly use paid product placements. All My Children story lines have been built around Campbell’s Soup. “One of the things that I love is actually using real products, because it validates and authenticates our fictitious Pine Valley,” said Carruthers. And this past year, the soap used CGI technology to create a giant tornado. “In a bad economy, that’s when the audience really wants to watch something that really helps,” Lucci told Nightline. “The escape is in some ways instructive, and is also really hopeful, exciting and fun.”
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Looks like ABC is testing the waters to see if anyone will pay attention. The nets should populate the soaps with the out of work primtime t.v. stars. They can’t get a job and would be delighted to get in front of the camera. Or just make more shows like “The Hills” at a lower cost. Sad that these shows are a dying breed. The producers need to accelaterate methods of revenue derrived from mobile and product sponsorship ventures. More of today’s stars began in daytime then any other medium.
Some of these soaps have been on for far too many years, maybe the reason they’re losing viewers is because it’s the same damn shit over and over now.
I remember flipping thru the channels once and seeing one that had a midget sorcerer and a witch?! That one must’ve been desperate for new plot lines.
Julie Hannan Caruthers doesn’t seem to get it. They hire writers who don’t know the show, her boss meddles incessantly, and they are insulting and condescending to the fans. Check out the fans repsonse to All My Childrens’ latest escapade in ineptness. Look for Pratt Falls, the backlash of the fans agains the ridiculousness of JHC and Head Writer Charles Pratt. It’s better than the show.
Fans are leaving because of people like Julie Hannan Caruthers, Charles Pratt and Brian Frons. They’re lucky they have any fans left at all.
The soap world is pretty much an incestuous industry where the same hacks go from show to show, writing junk that 99% of the population is ashamed to watch. If Nightline won’t talk about that, this little exercise is pointless.
All My Children isn’t failing due to the recession, it’s just badly written, plain and simple. I’m amazed anyone is still watching it. I gave up during the Doc in a Box sequence.
The networks would make much more money if they just aired game shows and talk shows in the daytime slots. These soaps are relics from a bygone era. The first network that does away with all of their soaps will realize a much better daytime profit. Or they could simply stop making new episodes and just re-run ep’s from 10 or 15 years ago who’d ever know the difference? Many of these shows have been on the air for 40 years why not just air highlights of fan favorites from various decades that way they save money on actual production and still sell their commerical slots. I should really be running a network.
Soaps — sorry, “daytime dramas” — are the original product integration shows, so-called because, in radio, where they started, they were produced and sponsored by makers of detergents and other housekeeping materials. They were designed to air in the afternoon when housewives’ chores were finished and they could sit down and watch “my stories.” (Mornings were game shows that could be followed on audio while the lady of the house was vacuuming, cleaning the kitchen, doing the john, etc.) Are we getting the picture that perhaps soaps have been outmoded for some time now? Their recent value has been giving early exposure to the Demi Moores, Ryan Phillippes, and Sarah Michelle Gellars of the world. And so another training ground bites the dust as our industry continues to devour its young.
Ha Ha. Recently I was home mid day and turned on the tv. While flipping through the channels I happened upon Days of Our Lives. I couldn’t believe it. They had the same actors on there from when I was in high school with the same damn story line. LOL. And some of this actors are so long in the tooth that seriously HD is not their friends. Bo still chasing Hope. Really? The world has become too big for these types of “stories”
Ah soaps. It’s a sad thing to see. Like watching your favorite uncle become old and descend into confusion and illness.
If it was simple audience attrition, that would be bad enough.
But it certainly feels as though the daytime execs and writers are working overtime to make sure as many of us turn their shows off as possible.
How else to explain the jaw droppingly stupid storytelling over the past five or six years.
Note to ABC board of directors: When your head of daytime’s approach isn’t raising ratings, consider getting a new head of daytime.. It’s been half a decade, if he’s not showing a turnaround by now… maybe his approach isn’t warmly received by the fans.
….unless, of course, you just want the shows gone, in which case, why not just cancel them and save us (and yourself) the agony of watching this favorite uncle die a slow and disgusting death?
Soaps are stuck with a horrible name and a bad rep, one that’s been earned by some stupid moves over the years.
It’s an incestuous industry where bad work is rewarded far too often.
But to throw out the genre as a whole is foolish. Not only does it employ actors, writers, producers and crew…but anyone thinking money can’t be made off of content based on romance and family ties is foolish (see under: Mamma Mia, Bridget Jones, etc.)
The industry has been monolithically slow to change and evolve. Guiding Light made a move to handheld cameras and fixed sets a la Friday Night Lights, and that was the first change in presentation in decades.
I believe this kind of content can still be profitable if changes are made to its length (shows should be 30 minutes long) and other channels (Lifetime, Oxygen, et al) create new shows.
And show runners MUST hire fearless, imaginative writers. The two best writers in daytime right now are new to the genre. There is FAR too much recycling of bad talent at the rest of the shows.
Sometimes it seems like the same old thing because you are portraying social issues amongst a whole family or community, hence the incestuous storylines, but it’s bound to happen and in order to get something out of it you have to practice suspension of disbelief (like theatre…or videotaping a play you saw) I agree with the commenter who said that to dismiss the genre would be foolish.
The message boards were abuzz last week with news that ABC President Brian Frons gave an interview to Soapnet.com indicating that viewers needed to be “trained” to accept the changes that ABC shows are providing in its lineup.
To be fair, I moseyed on over to Soapnet to check out the online interviews myself. Admittedly, I didn’t check out all of the soap clips, so I didn’t hear those exact words come out of his mouth. But I did hear things which alarmed me, more pointedly, “When we sit in story meetings…”
This concerns me because a man with all of the responsibilities that he lists at the start of the interview (an exhaustive list that even I won’t attempt to recreate here for you), why is he worried about whether or not Sam and Jason get back together on General Hospital or that Carly and Lulu, also on GH, have more scenes together as Spencers?
The man sure knows a lot about his shows, and well he should as the ABC Daytime President, but I firmly believe (as I have for some time) that this man is micro-managing these shows.
There are Head Writers and Executive Producers for a reason. If Frons wanted to write the shows himself, then he should relinquish some of his duties and change his job title. As much as we all, including myself, love to bash Dena Higley for her sloppy and lazy writing on OLTL, I have no doubt that she is often a puppet for the storyline whims of Mr. Frons himself.
This interview more than proved that fact to me. So, even if he didn’t utter the words “the audience needs to be trained” himself, he more than implied it in many of his comments. And what I keep thinking back to myself, over and over again, is—trained for what? Mediocrity? Because that is all that I see on my screen these days. Need proof? Let me explain…
http://1000worlds.wordpress.com/2009/08/15/fu-frons/
Oh, and Brian Frons doesn’t think young people read newspapers and thus shouldn’t get the chance to here good movie reviews and that audiences should just accept their programming:
‘Disney-ABC Television Group’s Brian Frons, who heads up the creation, production and delivery of shows for
ABC Media Productions, voices unqualified support for Lyons.
“This is a guy who, if you sit and talk with him, he really does have an enormous love and knowledge base of movies,” Frons said. “Did he spend 20 years as critic for a major newspaper? No. He’s very much of the TV generation who don’t spend time reading newspapers. I think we have a guy who is giving the information that audiences want to hear about film to make decisions about what to see.”