SATURDAY 11:20 AM: I’ve finally received the response from SAG. But it’s abundantly clear that the new leadership erred in not notifying members of the April 30th cutoff date as soon as the SAG-AMPTP Tentative Theatrical/TV Contract was okayed by the National Board back on April 19th:
Thanks for raising this concern and giving us another opportunity to reaffirm our eligibility rules on the TV/Theatrical Contracts referendum.
First, we want to restate unequivocally that any Screen Actors Guild member who paid their November 1, 2008 dues bill by April 30, 2009 is eligible to vote on the TV/Theatrical contract referendum. Those dues were payable November 1, 2008, and the Guild also provided for a 45-day grace period allowing our members to pay their November 1, 2008 dues as late as December 15 and still be considered current.
Most importantly, the Guild’s rules also allow for our members who pay these dues by April 30, 2009, (up to 6-months late) to be eligible to vote on the TV/Theatrical contract. SAG sends out a dues bill only two times per year and we routinely post payment reminders on the website during both dues periods. We also send special reminders to members who are facing termination for unpaid dues.
Voting is one of the most valuable rights and privileges of Screen Actors Guild membership and the eligibility requirements are very clearly outlined in the Guild constitution – a great document that many of our members are very familiar with.
Our National Board also knows how valuable this right is to our members and we hope that all eligible members will educate themselves about the TV/Theatrical tentative agreement and exercise their right to vote on the referendum.
FRIDAY 3:45 PM: I’ve been receiving angry emails from SAG actors detailing how they won’t be able to vote on whether to ratify the Theatrical/TV tentative contract because they didn’t know the cutoff date for paying up dues was April 30th. They claim that SAG did not send out an announcement of this cutoff date which will now disenfranchise them. Because only “SAG members in good standing” are allowed to vote on the contract.
I’m waiting for SAG’s response since Friday but none has been forthcoming except to confirm to me that dues had to be paid through April 30th. The WGA by contrast took the time and trouble to publicize exactly what constituted a member in good standing well before the ratification vote on its contract so writers could pay up past dues to vote. Instead, this appears to be yet another example of SAG’s new leadership failing to be transparent in its decisions and actions.
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I sympathize with the people who won’t be able to vote. However, both my husband and I are SAG members, and we received our renewal statements last month clearly showing the due date to be 4/30/09. Did some people not receive their statements? Easy to do if you’ve moved recently.
Now, I’m normally in favor of one person, one vote and all, but seriously. This just strikes me as another example of flakey actors not having a grip on how things work in the real world. Hey actors, you want notice of when your bills are due? READ YOUR MAIL AND PAY YOUR DUES WHEN YOU GET YOUR STATEMENTS! THAT’S YOUR NOTICE!
There’s no reason why SAG should waste thousands of dues-paying members’ dollars sending out additional notices to everyone saying to the effect that “hey, you’re behind on your dues, we’ve got an election coming up, if you want to have a vote, you’ve got to pay us your past dues by X date.”
The moral of the story is: if you paid your dues on time, you’ll get a vote. If you didn’t care enough to pay your dues on time, what in the world are you complaining about now?!
So does this mean as long as we have paid our November bill we are eligible? Or is it that we needed to pay our most recent bill to be eligible?
Anybody know?
SAG, like most all others unions, has become bloated and self-serving. The unions are not interested in protecting their members as much as protecting the union itself.
Weird, I actually didn’t get my bill until after April 30th. I noticed it because it was after the date.
Go figure.
And SAG will wonder why a bulk of their members are going ficore.
Gotta say SAG mails those dues bills out late ! I got mine on the 27th of April. I paid it that day. Some of my friends received theirs a week earlier. But it has always been pay by April 30th. (with some unwritten grace period for a few weeks after).
Peggy Lane O’Rourke
Given that many of the same people who pushed so-called “Affected Member Voting” chose the new interim NED and are in charge of the national board now, a move like should surprise nobody.
BTW I’m all paid up, and I’m totally voting NO.
Now wait just a cotton’-pickin’ minute here folks.
The bills that JUST came out from SAG are for paying up for May 1 through October 31, 2009.
To be paid up through April 30, 2009, you should have sent in your payment LAST FALL, for the period beginning November 1, 2008.
I’ve been carrying around my “paid through April 30, 2009″ card for months.
So anybody who is not currently paid up through April 30, 2009 has been a deadbeat for the last six months.
As a practical matter, SAG has to have some kind of cutoff for putting together its mailing list for ratification ballots. I don’t know what that cutoff is, but it’s not like a real last-minute thing here.
BUT it is manifestly NOT the case that SAG sent out a bill two weeks ago that had to be paid one week ago in order to be eligible to vote. The eligibility relates to a bill that went out more than 6 months ago.
I don’t consider that unreasonable.
LA VO
I got mine late too. There was NO DUE DATE LISTED. Just simple AMOUNT DUE NOW. On the back in small letters it says “must be paid 45 DAYS AFTER THE DUE PERIOD” Which is listed as 5/09.
I did receive a ballot on commercial contracts, that said SAG/AFTRA commercial contract. Which is interesting, since SAG and AFTRA supposedly want nothing to do with each other and do NOT want to join together.
1) Are SAG dues not payable on a regular basis that a member might reasonably know about if they had been a member for more than a year?
2) Is there not a due date on dues statements?
3) Doesn’t one have to be a “member in good standing” to vote on any SAG business?
4) Did the fact that there have been upcoming contract votes somehow escape the notice of ANYONE in the Entertainment Industry?
5) Is irresponsibility to be rewarded with the ability to influence the lives of responsible members?
Feh.
“4.And SAG will wonder why a bulk of their members are going ficore.
Comment by Dorothy”
And of course you know this because……..
There’s always a one month grace period. In theory, SAG members are in good standing if they’re paid up TO April 30th for an additional month… Station 12 will ok them for work during that entire extra month (and usually a bit beyond) so it doesn’t make sense that people who are in good standing as of April 30th shouldn’t be able to vote. I haven’t paid my dues yet for the next six months, but I received a ballot for the commercial agreement.
If the average SAG member does not read a dues statement with a big due date; how exactly are they going to provide adequate thought to the pro-side and con-side of the vote.
Even qualified voting (which is DESPERATELY needed) wouldn’t solve this problem.
I got mine on the 27th, and I’m looking at it right now. No where on this thing is there a due date. It says DUE NOW. That’s it. I paid it online this past weekend. Way to build moral SAG.
This dues period began November 1, 2008, and dues bills went out in October, 2008. Anyone who hasn’t paid those dues is more than 6 months delinquent. Wake up and smell the coffee.
I called SAG just before April 30th and they told me the cut off was March 31. And I posted that information here.
Has SAG since moved the cut of date to April 30th? Can’t they get their story straight?
Peggy is right. Several of my friends got their statements around the same time she did. In the past, they’ve received them a month before the due date. Based on the current administrations tactics, I’m having a hard time believing it was an accident. As an added coincidence, they have all been vocal opponents of the deal.
AFTRA has always had a 30 day period for payment, and SAG seems to have changed back and forth. But like many credit card bills that you receive “Due upon receipt,” they also typically include a statement noting fines will be imposed if not paid by such-and-such date.
I received my invoice April 24 and, by a fluke of revenues and their timing, paid it that day by return mail. But virtually any other year I’d have paid in the final week before fines/fees kick in, as I do with most bills, so as to assure I enjoy any interest paid on the cash on hand rather than SAG, or Visa-what have you.
To have known this vote date was approaching and NOT have added a one-line note to the programming that spit out invoices may not have been intentionally duplicitous, but it is evidence of how disinterested the current board majority is in the vast majority of the membership. On set I personally had a board member argue to me about how ridiculous it is to let EVERY member vote, as those below a certain number of annual credits of a certain level aren’t “really” actors. This from a lazy slob (didn’t crack the script ’til he sat down on the set-then read his lines for three days on camera) who I guess thinks EVERYONE could have 5-6 guest leads a year if only they really wanted them. He didn’t realize mine was the 1st good gig I’d had in 6 months, and I couldn’t come CLOSE to his proposed cut-off.
Rosenberg is inflammatory and needlessly confrontational, but he is NOT oblivious, nor stupid, nor as selfish as so many board members.
Why the heck would I want anyone but ME to know how I voted? Ummmmmmmmmmm guess? I will never vote for that “RIGHT TO VOTE” sham. I have always had a right to vote and part of my right to vote is to vote anon.
BTW isn’t it just typical of these whining lemmings-off-the- cliff actors and actresses to emotionally think that SAG didn’t send their dues statement so that they couldn’t vote for this B.S. crap. Paranoid? Nah….. Obama followers….yah.
Maybe instead of crying and wailing you should all read the fine print about what it will mean if this passes.
I would bet that most of these babies are really young new members who have no experience whatsoever.
Wow. I’m really surprised; I always pay my dues, but I just got this notice a week ago. Now I’m late and can’t vote? Not right.
They did mail those out really late, and it isn’t clearly stated that they are due by 4/30. It says Due on Receipt. Cool, but wish I had known there was an impending due date.
That’s good for the people working out of town, like me.
Idiots
A courtesy e-blast would have cost SAG nothing, and would have been helpful to some members.
This is a disgrace. I received my union bill on April 28th and all that the bill notates about due date states “Due Upon Receipt”. There is no reference on the bill to April 30th and no reference to the fact that that date coincided with our right to vote. Disgusting!
What’s the problem?
Dues-delinquent for 6 months, so you can’t vote.
Um…what else is new?