Which is worse? Network execs too scared to change a successful formula. Or network execs too willing to turn everything on its head. It’s clear that Conan’s version of NBC’s cash cow The Tonight Show is just more of the same old/same old. And that’s how O’Brien’s longtime exec producer Jeff Ross and boss Jeff Zucker want it. But while they were golfing together this weekend in a foursome at Riviera Country Club (Ross, who just moved out here, is the better player, while Zucker has a 14 handicap and can barely keep up), they both worried how to prevent primetime’s The Jay Leno Show from cannibalizing Conan’s late night show this fall. And my info is that it’s already getting ugly.
Leno’s show premieres September 14th. NBC doesn’t want Conan “freaking out” as he’s establishing himself. And the bosses know that booking wars on the same network are a recipe for disaster. So, already, NBC executives have barraged Jay with edicts. The first were the network’s recommendations on which longtime staffers to keep or let go. The network also has demanded that Leno back off booking A-list celebrities because it would encroach on O’Brien’s turf.
You’d think Jeff Zucker and Ben Silverman would have already come up with a solution for this predicament of having two de facto Tonight Shows. But there’s a reason NBC is the 4th-place network, so nooooooooooo. They only know what they don’t want. So these bosses are putting Leno under pressure to think outside the box and help come up with a format significantly different from the one he’s slavishly followed for 17 years. But no one should rely on Jay for that. The last time he had an original idea, it was 1992 and it involved making his manager Helen Kushnick also The Tonight Show‘s executive producer. And we all know how well that turned out.
Most people wrongly attribute the start of Leno’s late night ratings wins to 1995 when he asked Hugh Grant, fresh from his arrest for getting a blow job with a prostitute, ”What the hell were you thinking?”. But actually, in late 1993, Don Ohlmeyer was brought in to lead NBC’s troops to ratings victory. And the first thing this General Patton impersonator did was to retool Jay’s The Tonight Show by overseeing the design of a new set, adding more remote segments, using different camera angles, and recreating the artificial excitement of a comedy club by having people in those first rows pretend to mob Jay. After a see-saw battle with Letterman, Leno became No. 1 in late night.
Problem is, there are no leaders anymore atop NBC. Just pretenders. And, of course, Jay had no idea he’d take a backseat to Conan so soon. (Then again, Zucker sold him a bill of goods to make sure Leno didn’t defect to ABC.) But Leno is the one who’ll get the blame if the new show doesn’t work. Zucker and Silverman have shown they’re Teflon.
So Jay, Jeff, Ben: here’s what you need to do:
Zucker and Silverman keep spinning how NBC is now the Comedy Network. Fine, then make The Jay Leno Show into the Comedy Hour, not the Talking Heads Hour. Yes, Leno is so insecure that he abandoned The Tonight Show‘s long and noble tradition under Johnny Carson of spotlighting the kind of raw stand-up talent who went on to become household names: Jerry Seinfeld, Roseanne Barr, Garry Shandling, Drew Carey, Louie Anderson, Steven Wright, Rita Rudner, Gallagher. (Well, everyone but him…) Bring back that segment. Lengthen it. Reassure Jay that this isn’t an audition for his hosting spot in 2012.
Next, I have one word: raid. Make offers to feature players on Saturday Night Live, sidekicks on NBC and other network/cable sitcoms, and second bananas co-starring in Judd Apatow-type movies, to come on Jay’s show for a week at a time and star in stuff — sketches, skits, spoofs, and other updated but low-brow Carol Burnett Show-type shtick — to help fill time and get Leno through what’s going to be the dragging 10:30 PM to 11 PM half-hour. These young and old and quirky types will be like swigs of Red Bull for the mainstream audience. (With or without the cocaine.)
Finally, rescue Amy Poehler from that loser Parks And Recreation (which I hear may start changing its dreadful mockumentary style) and make her Leno’s permanent sidekick equal. Women love her. And since most guys are too busy playing video games or watching internet porn to even sample Leno in primetime, you’ll need females to tune in. (Just don’t glam up Amy. You morons will make her look like a $10 hooker. Or, worse, Chelsea Handler.) When Jay starts whining like the pussy he is, tell him to man up and shut up.
This is a start. I’m sure DHD commenters will come up with more suggestions.
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Jay should do a 45 minute show. Then they could start the news at the local NBC stations at 10:45. Most people watch the local news for sports and weather, which is aired halfway into the news hour. That would mean NBC stations would have sports and weather at 11:00, and they would grab all those viewers from CBS and ABC who really just want to know how their teams did and what the weather is….Conan starts at 11:20…giving his monologue a jump on Letterman….Fallon too….
Leno would have to only fill 45 minutes a night, he could loose an interview segment and concentrate on what he does best, comedy. Everybody wins and gets to go to bed earlier. You’re welcome
Jay should stay he is good
If NBC is already telling Leno who he can’t have as guests then you know it’s not long before they start to tell him who he can have. I’m guessing we’ll be seeing the casts of The Office, Heroes, and basically every other NBC/Universal show passing through on a nearly constant basis.
Conan’s ratings have gone from a 7.1 for his debut on Monday night to a 4.3 last night.* That’s a lot of people who have decided not to come back after just two shows. He’s still beating Letterman and Kimmel, but for how long? Handicapping Jay in the hopes that it would benefit Conan might work, if NBC were the only network on television, but it’s not. Ross should know better, but more importantly so should Zucker.
Just for argument’s sake: you’re only going to book celebrities on one NBC nighttime show. Would you pick the host with the Emmys or the host with the audience? Emmy awards don’t pay creditors. Conan’s an amazing talent, but until he proves he can hold the audience, Zucker shouldn’t piss off one of the only people at NBC who can make money.
I don’t think Ross’ meddling will have too much effect or that Poehler should be anyone’s sidekick. Conan’s numbers will settle at around a 3.2, and yes, I actually think his show’s great. Jay should stick to his formula and ignore all of us (like he has for 17 years) NBC will panic and drop all of its edicts when they see how many people don’t like ANY of the late night options, and his fans will tune in for him like they always do.
*Jay averaged a 3.9.
This story makes me so very happy.
(Even though I suffer a slight guilt pang because the Leno writers are really nice people.)
I am loving watch Leno being destroyed.
They offered Dave this same deal with the Devil and he turned it down. Network suits are liars and douchebags and so is Jay so he trusted them and now they are going to ruin him so that he’ll be useless for any other network.
Jay figures “I beat Letterman, I can do it to Conan, too.” The difference is Letterman didn’t see the betrayal coming. Conan knows you’re a lying scumbag.
Thank God for you Nikki otherwise we’d never know anything that’s real.
All of late night has unfortunately become a cesspool, but Conan seems like a much better guy than Leno, and a better comedian, so hopefully he’ll exceed Leno.
The network decided only one demographic was valuable to them and is paying the price.
Leno didn’t go to ABC because he likely feared it was the Tonight Show brand that held his ratings. Now that some of the history of how he leap frogged over Letterman has been explained, this seems more likely. If an ABC show failed, he’d have no one to blame. If his new show fails, he’ll just blame the time slot.
Jugdish, once again you’re mistaken. Nightline is still a very valuable commodity pulling competitive numbers (a virtual dead heat with Letterman) every night over the past couple years, while Kimmel is 100% dead weight filler.
ABC should’ve grabbed Leno and kicked Kimmel to the curb to go and host an eating competition show on Spike TV, or some shit.
This is getting fun, though. And it must be tearing that evil prick Kimmel up to know he’s never mentioned as an important player in any of these conversations.
Slightly off topic, but on last night’s Conan O’Brien show (the Wednesday episode), he told Julia Louis Dreyfuss that she was his first female guest. Wtf? There were NO female guests on the first two shows? I find that rather odd and disturbing. How do you book two whole shows, let alone your first two, without a single female guest? Odds would suggest that the male/female ratio would have been 50/50, so it appears the person selecting guests has some sort of skewed preference that is, at least to me, kind of offensive…though I know it’s popular in this country to greatly favor men over women.
NBC is diabolically brilliant. For whatever reasons they wanted to get rid of Jay Leno so the best way to do that is to give him his own prime-time show.
The ratings and format of that show will be horrible so it will be just a matter of time before the show is canceled. Other networks – like ABC – wouldn’t want to go into business with a “failure” so that prevents Jay from going on a rival network.
Now if only NBC could use that genius for good instead of evil. I know their shareholders would be happier.
Nikki, while you offer some remarkable points, it must be noted that we’re in the throes of an abysmal era in comedy. Go to Laugh Factory or the Comedy Store and you’ll see the same slate of “comedians” employing a shopworn routine of self-pitying or bombastic obnoxiousness or some other lame shtick. There’s a reason why there are no must-see comedians touring the country, creating a buzz (and BTW, Dane Cook was a pig in a poke, fueled by overhype generated on MySpace).
In addition, improv is so passe. I think audiences have reached their limits in watching buffoons acting like an electric turkey carver with a short circuit.
And while some make invoke Apatow’s success as evidence that comedy is thriving as much as ever, I just want to make this analogy: If you crave pizza, and the only place within a 30-mile radius is Papa John’s, you’ll go there because while it’s not great, it’s good enough. Same thing for Apatow and his apostles’ comedies; people really want a laugh, and they’ll go to these flicks because they’re just good enough, not memorable or great.
Personally, I prefer the writing on The Daily Show, Colbert, some Adult Swim toons and Maher, but that material is too edgy for network TV (though I’m continually amazed that Family Guy gets away with so much on Murdoch’s Fox).
Ultimately, Jay Leno’s going to regret this move. Once the show hits the nadir in the ratings, his reputation will be tarnished and he’ll wish he would’ve gone to ABC or Fox.
realworldperson – Sorry to say that even if Jay tanks, the 10pm hour will just go back to the affiliates. No chance NBC will make the $$$ investment to rebuild a full primetime line-up at this point.
Make a woman a PARTNER, not a sidekick and get rid of that dumb offensive Leno “humor.”
Just sticking a female face in as window dressing will not make women rush back in droves after being systematically driven off.
It was clear from the start that NBC is burning the candle from both ends and is going to end up with nothing.
Audiences are going to get talk show fatigue. The pool of guests will shrink because less movies and tv shows are being made. More D-list and non-celebs will be booked to fill time. That’ why talk show hosts are ping ponging back and forth as guests on each others’ shows. Viewers will fall off even more. NBC will announce the talk show format is dead rather than admitting it killed it, just like it announced sitcoms are dead rather than admitting it couldn’t or wouldn’t come up with good ones.
How can a network be run with absolutely no foresight or planning?
Oh, and Amy Poehler stands on her own.
Why wouldn’t NBC want “A” list guests in prime time? Sounds like Zucker is already devising an apologia stategy in the event that his big “experiment” fails. (Take note newbies, this is how you fail upward Hollywood style : LEAD OFF WITH YOUR FALLBACK POSITION.) If you’ve noticed too, with Zucker, if you have a relationship with him from the old days in New York – you seem to not be able to do wrong – if you don’t -not so much. We’re gonna find out just how much of a “nice guy” Conan really is. I’m looking forward to the day when “Law and Order – CSI Edition” guest starring Zach Braff and Patricia Arquette (a Zucker sweeps “Today” show-style stunt to promote the Detroit Olympics 2525) starts with a monologue.
Why don’t they just cancel Jay now and not waste the time they’re going to spend to do it eventually?
Say what you will about Jay, but he got to where he is by working harder than his peers in the business. He may not always play in L.A. and N.Y.C., but he plays just about everywhere else, including Peoria. And it’s his continued commitment to his audiences across the country that allows him to remain connected and relevant to his fans.
As comedy comes from many sources and wears many stripes, what is funny to some is often not funny to others — laughter is not a monolith nor should it be. What’s important is that men and women of comedy keep the laughs coming, and whether Jay does that at 10PM on NBC or 11:30PM on ABC (or elsewhere) is all that ultimately matters.
NBC should make Jay Leno animated in 2d. The first animated talk/comedy show. It would be very original. But the guests could be live. And certain comedy bits would 3D ala, Pixar.
To save money, Jay could have Hank Hill, Homer and Donald Duck as guests. There’s a huge library waiting to be exploited.
I know this is “out of the box,” but you don’t win by playing by the rules.
My guy at NBC tells me that one of the conditions for Jay’s 10pm show is that he drop all musical acts. Most talk shows save the musical act for the last five minutes. 50% of latenight viewers tend to change the channel once the band starts performing — no matter who is playing. NBC is worried about their lead in to the 11 o’clock news.
I like the idea of showcasing new comics and more skits.
Brett
Nikki, love ya but Parks & Recreation is hilarious.
Moving Jay to 10:00 was lame, plain and simple.
A 14 handicap is very good, probably in the top 25% or better of all golfers. Even if Ross is a scratch golfer, which is highly unlikely, Zucker would have no problem at all in keeping up with him.
i don’t watch the tonight show but i have to think jay’s success on it had less to do with camera angles and more to do with middle america liking him and his humor. it’s ridiculous in your story that he gets no credit for his success. just camera angles and a new set. ha.
I like everything but the Amy Poeler equality thing – but yes, appeal to Jay by bringing in stand up and love the idea of weekly “players” — good stuff
“on last night’s Conan O’Brien show, he told Julia Louis Dreyfuss that she was his first female guest. Wtf? How do you book two whole shows, let alone your first two, without a single female guest?”
It’s not that unusual, since the Monday and Tuesday shows only had one guest each (Will Ferrell; Tom Hanks).
wow – that’s too much good information for jay.
don’t give him any good suggestions because people will believe that he came up with them and that will make him even harder to tolerate.
he’s a complete douche bag with no redeeming qualities.
@Paul
Yes, this is part of why late night is dying.
All male hosts. All male writers. Male sidekicks. Male bands.
It was fitting punctuation, and notable before last night’s acknowledgment, that Conan’s first two shows were wall-to-wall male guests.
Creepy.