Recently the "Vote No" contingent's Justine Bateman wrote an analysis of SAG's future depending on how the vote goes on the tentative TV/Theatrical Contract. I asked the "Vote Yes" side for a reply and Adam Arkin responded. Justine is on the SAG National Board and served on the Negotiating Committee before the SAG New Majority disbanded it. Adam also is on the SAG National Board. And, remember, to get your ballots there by June 9th you should mail them by Friday:
JUSTINE BATEMAN
For what it’s worth, I recently sent this to an actor who was struggling with how he should vote. Though there’s no way I could vote any way but NO on this contract, I am at a point where I do not tell people to vote one way or another, but simply tell them how the different votes will play out. I believe I am more than accurate. I’ll just give you some facts and scenarios.In this new proposal, there is really nothing but many, many rollbacks and a “cost of living” raise in “Old Media” . There are a lot of things that bother me about this proposal, but nothing more than the fact that there is no quid pro quo; we are getting nothing in return for giving up so, so much. I feel that this is a proposal for a child. This is not what you hand to a bunch of adults. You can tell, I think this is a disastrous deal (for all the unions). Enough about that, though. It sounds like you’ve had your fill of the arguments from either side, so I’ll cut to future scenarios.
I’ve said that there are three kinds of voters here.
-- One wants this to just “be over” and wants to vote up anything in front of them, hoping this action will “make everything better”.
-- The second type earnestly believes that we will “attend to this in two years” and “band together with the other unions” and take on the AMPTP for better terms (or terms at all) in New Media.
-- And the third kind of voter looks at this proposal and says, “Fuck you, AMPTP. You are doing nothing but trying to break all these unions and, NO, I don’t approve this contract. It’s shit.”Basically, all those voters are fucked. That’s the real truth. (Don’t worry. I’ve got good news at the end of this.)
Here’s the scenario for the first voter:
Contract ratified. Production does NOT “ramp back up” and continues on this steady quantity decline it’s been on over the last decade. Meanwhile “pilot season” becomes almost exclusively NOT AFTRA, but NON-UNION because of the permissions given in the new contract to the Media Corporations to create non-union work that costs under 15k per minute. That’s 30 minutes of programming for $450,000. Pretty doable, right? (By the way, this budget is doable adhering to independent film UNION minimums, too. Interesting. And “giving permission” means you MAY NOT go in an organize it.)Hundreds of pilots are shot non-union and the very few that are picked up are recast in their entirety with union talent. The union talent receives no residuals for their work even if it’s a runaway success and after everyone buys the new TV’s with Internet connections within them, the audience no longer notices if they are watching ABC or ABC.com. Children are hurt on the sets of New Media because of the absence of any of the protections for minors that exist in the “Old Media” contracts. Ditto former “stunt safety”. WIth “clip consent” gone, your image is suddenly showing up in places of which you had no previous knowledge and no legal leverage with which to do anything about it. Etc.
For the second voter, they will quickly be reminded that the DGA and WGA HAD the same expiration dates and the DGA threw us all under the bus by negotiating during the WGA strike and setting this useless template for all of us. They will be reminded that AFTRA and SAG both HAD the same contract expiration dates and AFTRA decided to go it alone and chose to settle for the DGA deal while SAG was in the middle of negotiations. They will understand historic characterization. They may realize, too, that the WGA is, though sympathetic, not ready to contemplate another strike so soon after 07/08. They will realize that it takes a lot of time and planning to put together a labor action and suddenly not find enough of the “type 2 voters” willing to attend to this. Even if they are miraculously able to triumph against historic tendencies of this town and assemble all the unions, they will find that the AMPTP does NOT take money out of its pocket that you have already allowed to reside in there (see DVD deal of 20 years ago). And they will be working this bad contract just the same as Voter Type #1.
The third voter will feel happy to vote his conscience, but soon find that the New Majority on the SAG National Board is not at all prepared or willing to walk back into the AMPTP and demand that concessions be made. A fight from Hell will ensue to make sure the membership does NOT vote 75% to authorize a strike (strange) and if one is attained, the New Majority will never vote in the Boardroom to actually CALL a strike, so the leverage will have been for nothing. At this point I believe the AMPTP has the ability to just implement the contract, but don’t quote me. And then Voter #3 will also be working this bad, bad contract.
BUT, the good news is that the TV and Film business is undergoing its most dramatic change since the beginning of film. The bottom of the distribution pyramid has dissolved with the arrival of Internet distribution and the Media Corporations have lost control of the flow of content. We are now free to establish a New Grid, New ways of doing business in entertainment, New models of funding and distribution, New levels of ownership of our content, etc.
I have a production company (www.fm78.tv) with my partners and we like, for example, that early TV model wherein the sponsor funded the entire episode or series. So, we are currently pitching the sponsors themselves to fund our scripted content that we would have otherwise taken to NBC or HBO. We have distribution deals set up with all the main players in Internet distribution as well as an A-list cast and a high-powered PR film ready to launch the shows with the same effort they give Theatrically-released films or broadcast-TV premieres. All our budgets are an independent film model. We don’t give a shit WHAT The AMPTP eventually gets SAG to agree to, we are NOT paying people in ANY of the unions just California State minimum (about $100 a day). We are paying people something they can live on.
What I’m saying with the above is that the real story here is the massive change Entertainment is going through and the Creative Renaissance just on the other side of this change. Actors will no longer be able to make a living as just actors; they will need to multi-task. They will need to not only act, but ALSO know how to do at least one of the following: build a website, edit on Final Cut, write, direct, know how to deal with sponsors, know how to grow a mad following on social networks, have relationships with bloggers, be able to reach out to Internet Distribution sites and create ad-revenue deals for back-end monies.
You have to bring more to the party.I think it’s THE most exciting time to be in Entertainment since FIlm began. It’s historic.
ADAM ARKIN
Justine Bateman has chosen to focus on three kinds of voters rather than on the two possible outcomes of this contract vote. She clearly dislikes the deal but isn’t really attempting to urge a “no” vote.Instead, she writes that even if the contract is voted down, SAG won’t be able to improve the deal. She suggests that the AMPTP would ultimately impose a contract – and fails to mention that this would once again put us out of sync with AFTRA and the other unions, leaving SAG to negotiate on our own (and last in line) in the future.
She’s saying, it seems to me, that a “no” vote won’t get us anything better and would likely make matters significantly worse.
That’s why those of us supporting a YES vote have stressed that voting “no” is not a plan. Urging SAG members to turn down the real gains of this contract without providing a sound strategy for getting a much better deal is unwise – and carries tremendous risk. As Justine wrote, “it takes a lot of time and planning to put together a labor action,” yet even President Rosenberg, an equally outspoken critic of this deal, has said he doesn’t know how he would vote on a strike if the contract is rejected. What does that say about the plan?
And what about the three kinds of voters Justine has identified? She concludes that all three types are going to suffer no matter how this vote turns out. Her view lowers the relevance of this contract, in any case, by focusing on a predicted future where the AMPTP is marginalized in favor of self-starting entrepreneurs who will have to wear many hats – including that of actor – in order to survive. I don’t believe the kind of change she’s laid out is going to happen as suddenly or wholly as she suggests, but I genuinely admire Justine’s efforts to adapt and expand creatively. That is exciting, and as a clear early adopter, I think her voice has a valuable place in the dialogue as we confront transformation in our industry, no matter what the pace.
Meanwhile, our ability to provide for ourselves and our families is still firmly rooted in film and television work and I don’t see that changing dramatically in the near term – certainly not over the two years of this contract. Many who oppose this deal see revolution, while supporters see evolution. Some perceive a rapidly dying “old media,” while others see the lifeline that professional actors will depend on for some time to come. If any of us could predict the future with certainty, there would be no need for a debate. But one thing is clear, here and now: SAG members of every kind have an important decision to make, and the outcome of this contract vote will profoundly affect us all.
That’s why I believe we can, and should, vote YES. Here the plan is clear. We’ll put an end to a year of costly uncertainty by getting SAG members back to work with the real gains this contract offers. Not only will it create more SAG jobs, with increased pay, residuals, and benefits – it also affirms SAG’s jurisdiction in New Media and establishes much needed payments for the exhibition of our film and TV work online. This means real money in the pockets of actors who need it to pay their bills and to qualify for crucial health insurance and pension benefits. With a deeply challenging year behind us, we can then turn our efforts squarely to strengthening our relationships with AFTRA and the other industry unions to maximize our bargaining power in 2011 and beyond.
It’s the “beyond” part that offers some agreement between Justine and me. Even if we disagree about the pace and ultimate extent of the changes ahead, it’s nonetheless clear that change is coming. That’s why we must work together to create smart, strategic union representation for all professional performers. Many who oppose this deal have suggested that the goal of working in partnership with our fellow unions is naïve or simplistic. I can’t agree. It’s my belief that greater unity is essential if we are to turn the challenges of the future into opportunities.
“The bottom of the distribution pyramid has dissolved with the arrival of Internet distribution and the Media Corporations have lost control of the flow of content. We are now free to establish a New Grid, New ways of doing business in entertainment, New models of funding and distribution, New levels of ownership of our content, etc.”
I met a young guy in NYC yesterday and he echoed the same thing.
I noticed a little problem with your response, Arkin. You wrote this:
“Instead, she writes that even if the contract is voted down, SAG won’t be able to improve the deal.”
Having just read her statement and being educated beyond the fourth grade level, I determined this statement to be false, misleading, possibly even a lie.
She said YOUR FACTION wouldn’t have the stones to get a better deal. You kids have no interest in negotiating anything better. And I agree. You’ve sold us down the river and won’t step up and fight.
It would be great if you guys could be level with us when you argue for the deal. At this point, it lie after lie and distortion after distortion.
Adam Arkin (or whoever wrote that for him) is incoherent. He didn’t answer one point Justine made. I’m voting NO.
Wow, a civil discourse between two sides of the argument. how refreshing. I am encouraged about the future possibilities of rebuilding our fractured guild whatever the outcome of the vote. Then a comment from “Working actor” which returns to vitriol and accusations of “lie after lie”. I will choose to remain hopeful.
The idea that signing this deal will “Get people back to work” seems to me to be a canard. I’m a working screenwriter, and I’ve seen no evidence that studios aren’t filming because there’s no SAG agreement. I recently did a production polish for a film that’s shooting now.
This is an important point, as those in favor of a YES VOTE are advancing this as a crucial reason to take the deal. If you have this evidence, please do SAG members a service and provide it.
I have to respectfully disagree with Justine Bateman and Adam Arkin. I’d also ad that in light of Ms. Bateman’s statement here I’m not sure it’s accurate to portray her a “no vote” supporter.
She has interesting ideas, but not necessarily against or for this contract. She seems to think it is meaningless.
Since this current contract is between SAG and the AMPTP I think we need to take it seriously and assume that the network giants will not go out of business as Ms. Bateman suggests. Whether she is right or wrong on that really doesn’t have much to due with the vote at hand.
That may or may not be the case. But to ignore this vote hoping the giants will disappear may not be the wisest way to be heard.
I think it makes sense to assume–at least where this vote is concerned– that the media giants will prevail. As such I recommend the membership seriously consider their vote in THIS contract and with the currently prospering members of the AMPTP.
The arguements–pro and con– are out there.
Look at the issues. Listen to what people are saying. I happen to think Martin Sheen and Ed Harris have spoken intelligently on the VOTE NO issue. I also think the VOTE YES contingent hasn’t offered up any fact except “it’s smart” and “it’s time.” Those are great slogans–but they really don’t inform me.
More importantly I’ve read and re-read the contract and the newspapers and the information on the technology including internet ready TVs and HULU.com actual growth since Feb 2009 instead of it’s earnings in 2008 when no one had heard of it.
I’ve tried to share information at my SAGDEAL youtube channel and I’m surprised at what a force youtube has become in this ballot process.
I would say to those who don’t think the internet is a viable source for entertainment and information, or as an uncharted and therefore forgettable subject in this contract, “Please explain away the irony as to why I’m watching youtube videos with huge entertainment figures; some explaining (on the internet)the internet is not relevant in this contract because people simply aren’t watching content there.”
The dealine for voting is just about here. Whatever you do PLEASE VOTE.
I’m voting NO.
I don’t think it’s reasonable to say that every actor voting no is voting no for exactly the same reasons Justine Bateman is voting no. Having discussed the contract with many actors, there are many constituencies & viewpoints that are ill-served by the TV/Theatrical contract terms as they stand and they have many different reasons to reject this particular deal.
That said, I’m also not as pessimistic as Justine (or Adam) is. I see the problem as one of a different kind of ‘pattern bargaining’, namely the executives choose not to come out of their offices and face the talent at the negotiating table themselves, but send intermediates to make so-called ‘take it or leave it’ offers. This of course is negotiating gamesmanship, which AFTRA and the DGA aquiesced to while the WGA and SAG’s previous leadership held out for better.
Since there is a lot of overlap between AFTRA’s leaders and the ‘new SAG majority’ it is of little surprise that such a poor contract is now in front of SAG members…a quick search of Nikki’s site reveals the haste with which AFTRA concluded its negotiations with the AMPTP. These people who represented both unions at the negotiating table are as Justine says committed to the concept of ‘back to work’ as if those with the advantages in securing work aren’t working at all now while those who don’t have the advantages in the membership will magically see work materialize for themselves just as soon as they Vote Yes. That’s a fallacy and those who are being confronted with AFTRA’s new contracts are very upset by the egregious terms in them.
The strategy after rejecting a contract that is virtually identical in every way to AFTRA’s ill negotiated deal is not to get the AMPTP back in the room, it’s to get the people with the authority & power to make the deal, the EXECUTIVES in the room for the FIRST TIME to actually hear first hand the objections of SAG’s actors. And from there you begin to negotiate a realistic deal in good faith and repair the working relationship between the talent & the executives.
There are means to accomplish this that are already being undertaken by various leaders in the Vote No camp. I am personally aware of them, but in the interest of preserving real negotiation strategy I’m choosing not to discuss them here…let’s just say it’s hard for 100,000+ people to keep confidential what a handful of others would love to know & exploit to their advantage. Besides nobody likes the ending to a good story spoilered or good plot devices used ham-handedly
Will this be a fast & painless process? I doubt it. Will it drag on forever? Of course not…at some point the ’show’ in show business has to be conceived, financed & produced. But is it painless, much less wise to take a bad deal now, especially in light of how a decades-long history of aquiescing to conglomerate demands and too much trust & faith being put in their oral assertions of ‘we’ll revisit that someday’ while that someday never comes? I don’t think so, but that’s the key decision every actor has to make in voting.
That which is truly important to you in life you often have to fight for and be persistent in securing it. And it doesn’t hurt to simultaneously cultivate your other options which at least Justine Bateman has felt comfortable disclosing to the public.
Adam Arkin’s fatalism is no more helpful than Justine’s but that’s not enough of a reason to take a deal that is in the worst interest of too many actors in the guild.
Cast your vote from a place of knowledge & perspective and not so much from fear, apprehension or greed.
Anyone who really believes that there is going to be some overwhelming outpouring of new projects once a SAG contract is reached is a moron.
All SAG members please read and distribute the following.
Putting aside all of the many other areas of this proposals failure to protect membership, this non-union allowance is unconscionable.
Which part of NO NON-UNION WORK UNDER A SAG AGREEMENT ARE YOU MISSING, VOTE YES SUPPORTERS?
Subject: SAG Core Principles From: info@ActorsRights.com
Thank You for taking the time to read this important message from Actors Rights Coalition.
We hope you find it informative and will forward it to other concerned actors.
Kent McCord wrote: VOTE NO – Please distribute far and wide. Forward this to every actor you know. The core principles adopted by the National Board in a unanimous vote of 68 to 0 was a vote by members from the New York Division the Regional Branch Division and the Hollywood Division. It states:
*It is a core principle of Screen Actors Guild that no non-union work shall be authorized to be done under any SAG agreement and;
That all work done under a Screen Actors Guild contract, regardless of budget level, shall receive fair compensation when reused.*
This motion was drafted and presented by New York. It was debated and adopted by the National Board. This proposed TV/Theatrical contract violates that *core principle.*
Did Arkin vote for this contract before David White’s “re-negotiation” of it?
If so, then he’s willing to vote yes on a deal that even White considered to suck (not that he would mean it, right Dave). That would say something about Adam’s judgment wouldn’t it.
Also, Adam, what exactly is the separation between old and new media? You will see too late that the answer is this:
Not much.
VOTE NO.
Bateman’s letter (which seems candid, and does not seem to anticipate a response) was a refreshingly straightforward read.
Arkin’s letter (which seems slick and a bit douchy, as though he were tutting at a young child while leering at the kid’s mom), in addition to it’s other failings, most spectacularly fails to indicate how Bateman’s assertion that the contract is wack is actually incorrect. His best defense is, “vote yes because voting ‘no’ is not a plan.” In other words, “it’s better than nothing.”
Better than nothing ain’t good enough.
A weak and pathetic argument put forward by Arkin:
“[an imposed contract] would once again put us out of sync with AFTRA and the other unions, leaving SAG to negotiate on our own (and last in line) in the future”
- try reading Bateman’s e-mail, you were in line this time and still got stitched up.
“voting “no” is not a plan”
- if that is the case then by that logic there is not a single contract you would reject, a contract rolling back everything would still deserve a ‘yes’ vote.
“If any of us could predict the future with certainty, there would be no need for a debate.”
- agreed… but surely the risk to actors is that new media DOES take off. Ironically you talk about the downside risk of having no plan for ‘no’ then ignore the downside risk of giving producers a free option to screw you through new media (as they did with DVDs)
Finally the last two paragraphs are some dream about love and kisses between the unions, why would that happen? And again surely the risk is it doesn’t? Why wouldn’t the AMTP just pick off the DGA and AFTRA like they did this time? I’ll bet you the 6 cents you call real money to help pay actors bills that they try that exact same tactic again after it worked so successfully this time. The only thing I hope is that next time they do not have help on the inside…
Adam! Real money in the pockets of actors? $24.00 for six months. This won’t fill my gas tank or cover my union dues. $24.00 is not a “much needed payment”, it’s an insult! Jurisdiction in New Media? Maybe $15,000 a minute should be okay for Joe Filmaker who just graduated film school, but for the major studios? You guys don’t have a plan either. Go along to get along while you cash your big fat paychecks and sell us out. You cut us off at the knees and flattened our chances of surviving off of our residuals. Have you forgotten the billions lost on DVD residuals? WE HAVEN’T!!!!!!!!!!!
FilmandTVguy,
That was a hilarious straw man argument. Completely full of shit, sir.
But if you are dumb enough to think two letters written by Bateman and Arkin meant our union could mend it’s fracture, I feel sorry for you. I doubt that’s the truth, however. You were just attempting to attack me for my honest response to Arkin’s nonsense and chose to go with a post that lacked nuance and was shockingly transparent.
This union will not be mending the schism for quite some time and you know it.
What everyone seems to not be grasping is that new media is just a synonym for the internet. The Internet is not just cheaply made web shows or you tube. The Internet is now, and will VERY shortly be the means of distribution for all film and television content. New Media = Distribution. If SAG votes yes on this contract, they will not only jeopardize their livelihoods and unions, but those of all creative people in this industry.
Justine makes valid points about new media and the need for actors going forward to be hyphenate publicists, producers, writers, directors, video editors….
However -
SAG President Alan Rosenberg is reported to have said in New York that the plan if the membership turns down the AMPTP’s offer is to marshall forces, get the SAV, take that to the table and demand a better deal. If no such deal is forthcoming, we must be prepared to strike.
Working Actor #274 makes a valid point. If we turn down this offer, we have to be prepared to place pressure on the new national majority to change their tune. The more actors who vote against this offer, the greater the pressure will be on the NNM to move forward with the SAV they’d already agreed to.
It’s also important to note that turning down this offer buys us time to deal with all of the rollbacks the AMPTP wants. Turning down this offer means that actors owed under force majeure may move forward with their claims without their own union agreeing to give away millions owed to them. It means actors retain clip consent. It means we keep a closed shop – no space for the moguls to start producing non-union.
All of these things are significant, and certainly reason enough to vote no and take another shot at getting a better deal.
I remember a few scant months ago the NNM partisans criticizing the inadequacies of the AMPTP’s LBF and laying the blame for that squarely on the shoulders of former NED Doug Allen, yet the deal they are now asking us to accept is not significantly different. We can do a whole lot better. We must do a lot better.
Great job from Mr. Arkin. I do not agree with Ms. Bateman’s assessment of three types of voters. I keep encountering one type the voter; the sag actor who has been working without a pay raise for almost a year, who is trying to keep their house, or keep their agent, or keep their foot in the door. They are happy with pay raises, and though it’s certainly not perfect, this deal has some gains for actors. The voter I keep encountering is voting YES!
Anyone who thinks a “no” vote will produce anything but the demise of SAG
is living in a world of dreams.
Both Bateman and Arkin sound battle-worn and fatigued from all of the in-fighting, IMHO.
Needless to say, I doubt if the United States of America could ever have won our War of Independence from England if we had had to fight a Civil War, at the same time.
It’s time to UNITE.
All members of the Screen Actors Guild, North, South, East and West, UNITE!
“This contract sucks!”
VOTE NO!
In solidarity,
Poor Adam Arkin, he actually thinks that a Basic Codified Agreement between Screen Actors Guild and the Association of Motion Picture & Television Producers will “create more jobs”. As a National Board member, he should know this tentative agreement is about wages and working conditions: Minimums, at that.
There is NOTHING in this contract that will create more jobs.
The proud Yes voters are misleading when they say there will be residuals in New Media:
1. Made-for New Media has NO residual structure, do you get that? NO residuals in Made-for New Media.
2. Move-over to New Media is $22.77 for 6 months. Yes, you read this correctly. $22.77 for 6 months.
Adam Arkin, proud professional actor, is saying that it is OK for Union members to codify NON-UNION work in New Media. He is saying it is OK to allow non-professional actors to do the work of professional actors in New Media projects costing under $15K per MINUTE! or $300K per EPISODE! And “episode” is not defined in this tentative agreement. It could be a 15-minute “episode”.
Adam Arkin, proud professional actor, would throw the actors who started this business (and their heirs )under the bus, by using the excuse that just because they don’t get residuals when their (Pre ‘71 & pre ‘74)TV shows and films re-run on television, (which they gave up to give actors PENSION AND HEALTH CONTRIBUTIONS)< that they really “won’t miss the residuals” when they run their pre 71 & pre 74 tv and films on the internet or any other New Media platform for the rest of eternity, ’cause they never had them to begin with!
Thank you Ned Vaughn and whoever that person was from Housewives who kinda shrugged and said the same thing. “They don’t get residuals now, so why should we worry about their future?” They are old people anyway, right?
The Long Term Care Facility is SHUTTING DOWN at the Motion Picture Home. Do you think that maybe those most vulnerable amongst us might do well to get a residual for the work they did when they were in their prime? Maybe they could pay for their health care with the residuals they should be getting.
Lucky Adam Arkin. he has his Pension and Health, he has his residuals and his savings, and a wink from the AMPTP that he will most likely continue to work cause he’s doing their bidding.
I wonder when Ned Vaughn’s tv series will be announced?
“I keep encountering one type the voter; the sag actor who has been working without a pay raise for almost a year, who is trying to keep their house, or keep their agent, or keep their foot in the door”.
That’s funny, it sounds like my “regular” job currently, welcome to the real world. Except you have a choice, a shot, a right, to better your future. We’ll all get a “raise” eventually, with this BS economy crap, but some of you will lose much more in the long run, if you vote yes.
What part of NO don’t you understand? NO means NO! Take that back to AMPTP ,neg. committee, and just say NO! GOT IT? If not, you will when the votes are tallied!!! NO excuses,we want a good contract not the crap you let them stick in your mouth!!
newmedia -
Yes, in AMPTP-speak new media is code for Internet. It’s also code for mobile devices, which is very significant because of the content-delivery capabilities and reach of the iPhone as well as the various iPhone competitors coming down the pike.
And we need to think on a planetary basis. Many third-world countries are skipping right over wired infrastructure – phone, cable lines – and going straight to wireless – cellular, satellite. The coming revolution in solar and wind power only makes it easier for such places to avoid the huge wired infrastructure the industrialized first world has built.
IOW, much of the developing world is entirely avoiding what is defined in the AMPTP offer to SAG as old media.
As well, Warner Brothers recently crowed about all of the apps they’re developing for the iPhone, including animation apps. As long as they keep their budgets down, the writing and voice talent they employ to produce these apps will be entitled to ZERO residuals. And it’s not just Warners. Paramount produced four Star Trek: Countdown mobile comic book apps and didn’t exactly lose money on them. And once one or two congloms smell money in the water, the rest of the sharks are sure to swim over too.
My point is we need to think of the future – okay, the present, really – as something that is WIDE OPEN in terms of which platforms very profitable content will be developed for, and the various means of distribution available to the moguls TODAY. And we need to think on a planetary basis, because our talents are being peddled all around the earth.
If we don’t approach our contract negotiations this way, we’re going to be nothing more than highly-exploited serfs.
I’m with you in opposition to the AMPTP’s rotten offer.
Getting a better deal from the AMPTP is in all our best interests, but what it would cost the union and it’s membership, at this point, in the lost money, time and power by
-Trying to get them back to the table,
-Mounting a campaign to pass an SAV so that we can threaten a strike,
-Coming to a stalemate,
-Getting the LBFO,
-Mounting a campaign for a strike vote,
-Raising money for a strike fund,
-Risking NOT getting a strike autho. and finding ourselves in a FAR weaker position than the union has ever been in,
-Losing all that income and dues and P&H contributions
-Watching more pilots, dues, P&H contributions go to AFTRA,
-Risking never being in sync with our sister unions,
-Watching more actors lose their homes,
All of that outweighs the money and precedent we might achieve in New Media, because there is no ‘Now Media’.
Every article on the subject says the same thing, viewership is nothing like what was predicted and profits are even worse.
‘Now Media’ was a slogan created by a really good PR firm to pretend there was a crisis. There is no crisis. It’s a fantasy right now. Maybe three years from now someone will figure out how to do it, but right now we’ve got a deal in front of us that gets a great big foot in the door.
And if the AMPTP doesn’t honor the ’sunset clause’, then that is the time to strike, when we’re in sync with the other unions, when town realizes the producers are reneging and when we’ve refilled our coffers.
It’s all about cost/benefit analysis.
Saying ‘No’ doesn’t mean we get what we want. It’s just stamping your feet, at this point. Saying ‘yes’ means we begin to get our power back.
This idea that we will all team up in 2011 couldn’t be more absurd–unless the idea was coming from UFS. Wait…what?
Exactly.
Wasn’t it UFS who orchestrated a hostile takeover unsupported by the membership? How can they say they the future will be about working together with a straight face? These UFS-ers can’t even work together within our own union!
They’re “all the toys should be ours” attitude has set our already slow negotiation with the AMPTP at a standstill until we can vote down this bad contract. Once we do that the adult Board members can get back to work.
How dare they say we can all work together. Shame on you Adam Arkin. Shame on you.
The ire that so many continue to feel about this contract is obvious. It’s also obvious that there are very different views about what makes a union vulnerable to being destroyed. What I would like to focus on is ways those differences can be bridged. I honestly believe that there are different groups who care deeply about actors, this union and the future of the industry, but differ in their views as to how to proceed from here. That will probably continue. Our propensity to demonize one another doesn’t have to. We could all stop that today, should we care to.
Adam,
It’s a TERRIBLE deal and you know it.
You cannot ever throw away the future for short-term gains. We would be far better not touching new media than accepting the awful precedents that are being laid out in the current offer. The new media terms jeopardize all of our futures and we must be cautious. Accepting shitty terms now and hoping that we can somehow fix it later is NOT being cautious. What you are doing Adam is not negotiating but waiting to re-negotiate. It’s taking the easy way out and in a successful negotiation, there is no easy way. And there’s just too much at stake to be that passive with new media, regardless of the gains in old media. I do not believe that the NO voters are looking for anything that’s unreasonable. Adam, you fail to see how badly we WANT to vote yes but can’t. This contract is that dangerous.
We take a stand now. Not later. What we accept is what we’ll get. The AMPTP have never improved the initial offer (which is ridiculous). There is no sunset clause. There’s a really bad contract on the table and we are under no obligation to harm ourselves. It’s time to own up to what is rightfully ours– OUR WORK. The AMPTP have a choice here too.
Vote No.
Have courage Adam.
I would like to think that SAG members will realize that there are responsible, clear-thinking members on both sides of this issue – so you can ignore the last minute rhetorical panic! Please consider what you’ve heard over the last few weeks. I think most of us are torn between the noble goals of the “no” camp – and the practical assessment of the “yes” camp. I haven’t met anyone who would not prefer to have the deal the “no” people want. What it all comes down to is this: in the age of hugely successful “reality” programs like American Idol, etc. – do we think at this time we can go through all that’s entailed in getting a majority of members to vote for a strike authorization – then keep all our members out of work for however many months or years it might take? Frankly I think we will have to strike to get the things we really need. I’m prepared to go that far – but not without AFTRA’s allegiance – not when our bank acoount is hurting already – not when I think the AMPTP is fully prepared to wait us out. This is a serious move – we need to pick the time and it should be when we are fully prepared to go all the way with it and win. True, the new media agreements are thin – but they will give us a track record to refer to next time. We will have something concrete to base our demands on – something we don’t have now. Right now it’s all just conjecture. With great respect for those members who are voing “no”, I urge those of you who haven’t made up your minds to act now at the 11th hour and cast your vote for “yes”. There’s still time for you to keep our Guild’s future on a safe and sound course.
Well Cool Luke….I like your thinking. Voting “NO” is to continue on this path to nowhere. Voting “YES” gives us a path and a course for the future. That is what it’s all about right? The future? Well, let’s move on for the next two years and get unified for the next fight that will undoubtedly rear its head. Don’t let SAG hang out there by itself and be shriveled up by the angry stamping feet of the NO coalition. We will live to fight another day,with a contract, and hopefully not amongst ourselves. I’m with you Luke, let’s break out of this joint.