Julia Roberts as a guest finally put Dave over the top in late night Tuesday night in the early Nielsen overnights following Howard Stern Monday night. They bested Conan and his guests of David Duchovny Monday night and Eddie Murphy on Tuesday night. And Eddie rarely does talk shows anymore so that was considered a guest “get” even if his movies bomb at the box office. True, Julia can’t open a movie anymore either, but she turned the tables on Dave last night and started interviewing him about his recent marriage, which Howard did as well.)
It’s the nightmare scenario for GE/NBC Universal that everyone but boss Jeff Zucker thought would happen: the network’s cash cow The Tonight Show, once safely No. 1 in the ratings with Jay Leno as host, now can only hope to seesaw in the ratings with Letterman’s Late Show. And it’s all Zucker’s fault. You’d think that NBC would be in a flopsweat over O’Brien’s ratings slide during his first and second week as host of The Tonight Show. You’d think that, but you’d be wrong. Now, most network suits would be spending every minute of every hour of every day brainstorming how to make the show more popular. But this is NBC where, when the going gets rough, the executives go golfing. That’s right, Conan’s longtime executive producer Jeff Ross is getting his money’s worth out of his spankin’ new membership at Riviera Country Club because he was on the golf course not only two weekends in a row — but both Saturday and Sunday last weekend even after Conan’s ratings began to fall.
June 9th
David Letterman 3.4
Conan O’Brien 2.9June 8th
David Letterman 3.0
Conan O’Brien 3.1This follows the plunging of Conan’s Tonight Show ratings from a debut high of 7.0 on June 1st (vs 2.8 for Dave’s Late Show), to 5.0 on June 2nd (vs 3.0), 4.2 on June 3rd (vs 2.8), 3.8 on June 4th (vs 3.2), to 3.5 on June 4th (vs 2.7).
Of course, helping Dave is the fact that, just last week, CBS had every one of the Nielsen Top 10 shows in network primetime in this period known as the summer repeat doldrums. And NBC’s primetime schedule is, as usual, tanking. (I told you that NBC even got bitch-slapped by Univision in the 8PM and 9PM hours.) So no help there for Conan.
There’s more bad news: Advertising Age reported Monday that while “NBC is touting Jay Leno’s new primentime program as an innovative, DVR-proof move, buyers say the new talk show will draw fewer viewers than ABC and CBS on any given night, and are balking at paying primetime prices for what they view ads late-night ratings. ‘He will guarantee NBC a third-place finish [behind ABC and CBS] in whatever hour he’s in,’ said Shari Ann Brill, senior VP-director of strategic audience analysis for Aegis gGroup’s Carat. ‘He will do on par with what he did in late night.’ ”
Sure, Zucker and his minions keep repeating the mantra that it doesn’t matter if Leno’s new show gets whipped in the ratings by scripted dramas because “we’re managing for margins, not ratings” because the programming not only will be cheaper to produce but also fresher throughout the year when other networks have to go into repeats. That argument isn’t cutting it with Madison Avenue. So what is Ben Silverman’s supposedly “creative” solution to appease advertisers who don’t want to pay primetime rates for late night ratings? He recently told Ad Age “the network would consider offering the opportunity to have Mr. Leno do live commercials, which he suggested would potentially be worth a price increase.”
Uh, did anyone at NBC even bother to tell Leno he may become a 10PM pitchman starting September 14th? A throwback holding up cans of Campbell Chunky Soup and bags of Purina Dog Chow while telling viewers how much he likes the products? How humiliating for Jay. He should have taken up ABC on that offer to compete with both Dave and Conan. Especially now that NBC executives have barraged Leno and his people with network edicts indicating the brass is favoring Cona’s show, like demands that Jay back off booking A-list celebrities because it would encroach on O’Brien’s turf.
One thing is certain: gone is Conan’s all-too-brief honeymoon period with the press. Not even NBCU’s PR War Room set up by Zucker will be able to spin this disaster. Because, while Conan’s debut was the highest-rated Monday episode of the veteran franchise in four years, June 5th’s was the lowest rated Friday episode in 6 months.
In the old days of network TV, a top executive who made such a horrendous mistake as Zucker did would not even wait to be fired: he’d have the class to offer his immediate resignation. But nothing seems to shame Jeff. Though many have tried. Just this past weekend, Marc Cherry reminded a packed audience at the “Produced By” Conference put on by the Producers Guild Of America about another error in judgment from the then NBC Entertainment President:
Cherry said that, after his Desperate Housewives became a huge hit for ABC in the fall of 2003, then NBCU chairman Bob Wright called and asked who at his network had passed on the show. Cherry told Wright that he’d given the pilot script to Karey Burke, then NBC’s EVP of primetime series development, and she’d loved it. But then Burke gave it to Jeff Zucker, who passed. ”The heat went onto Karey, who was soon looking for a new job,” Cherry said. “They were looking for someone else to blame.” And Zucker? That December, he was promoted to president of NBC’s Entertainment, News & Cable Group. And promoted again in 2004. And again in 2005. And promoted again in 2007 to his present job.






Conan could always bring Johnny back as a guest — that would be some feat.
I guess Hell has frozen over; a pyrrhic victory at best. Given Dave’s descent into the fever swamps of the left, I can’t bear to watch him anymore. Move Craig Ferguson up an hour and I’m back! That guy is by far the funniest of the late-night comics.
Fever swamp of the left? Somebody was looking for Limbaugh and took a wrong turn.
As for Zucker, he will succeed in turning NBC into the CW, and then worse. That he still has his job is a monument to corporate inertia, and little else. Except maybe naked pix of his boss.
All Stern. This doesn’t just happen magically.
I didn’t come here from anywhere else, I have a functioning brain etc. I just made the unforgiveable mistake of not agreeing with you.
He’s lame, not funny, tired and boring. I used to watch every day, I flew to NY to see two nights back to back in 1985 and didn’t have any money so we walked around NYC all night. I’m a former mega-fan.
He has yet to find anything to make fun of Obama about, so it’s more retread jokes about Bush being dumb, Cheney hunting, and now Palin as dumb, and a slut. Wow, progressive. Oh, and her 14-year old daughter too, classy.
Letterman is a stable and known commodity, even to the Tonight Show fans.
My hunch is that they are switching over to Dave because Conan’s brand of humour hasn’t caught on with them. In the end, Dave wins with an older demographic, while Conan keeps a younger demographic that is a bit fickle.
Why does GE let this guy keep his job?? What a fool – he is running it into the ground – they should assign NBC to the cable networks along with CNN.
Zucker is the worst exec EVER to have control over any network. Welch said he would have fired him in an interview a couple of years ago – failing up to the top seems to be what NBC is all about these days… too bad -When Zucker went into NBC when it was #1 – wow.
Conan is one of the luckiest guys in America and for years he hid out in his cozy-post-Tonight-show-NY-world where no one really cared adn where he didn’t even have to be good. Now he’s big time and he’s showing just how funny he isn’t. Never got him, never will. Letterman’s an institution, but I have to agree with Joe Melnick, Ferguson is one very funny guy and that would have been a bold move to make. As for Leno, he could not be more comfortable in a cat bird seat than he is right now. The whole Conan Tonight Show thing was borne out of fear a number of years ago and it’s proven to not only have been an unfounded fear, but a boneheaded play on the part of Jeff Zucker. The irony is, if they keep Jay on the Tonight show and let Conan go to ABC, instead of Jay being woo’d away which check mates them and compels the completely ridiculous idea of giving him their venerated 10pm hour, does anyone think Conan would have beaten Leno at 11:30, let alone Letterman? And, they could have given Ferguson the Conan slot and probably have done better numbers in the long run. What a collosol blunder… when does GE finally see the truth behind this guy’s mediocrity… and with a guy like Liguori still sitting out there, how can they continue to wait?
What does jeff zucker have on immelt???
Dave and Julia Roberts interview….hilarious! He is unique…in the Johnny Carson tradition.
I’m sure NBC got routed in prime time since they aired the always lowly-rated NHL Stanley Cup finals, so obviously, there was no lead-in.
Then again, that’s not a good enough excuse for Zucker and Silverman. The fact is that Conan has no broad appeal, just relying on about a million or so ardent fanatics. There is no upside.
Personally, I find him unwatchable. He does this annoying thing in between jokes where he’ll do a stupid gesture or tic and mutter some nonsense, all in a lame effort to get a laugh from the audience. And his shtick of acting awkward and affable while interviewing “hot” women just comes off as incredibly creepy and immensely unfunny.
But don’t think the overlords at GE will do anything to Zucker and Silverman. They seem content with mediocrity.
Those are my sentiments exactly. I have never been able to watch him. The thing with the hair and the licking of eyebrow are just plain stupid and not at all funny.I really believe Andy Richter is funnier than Conan.
A Julia Roberts on-screen appearance drew an audience???
I’m not going to hate on Conan, but I miss Jay, and don’t care how uncool he’s considered. I still to Conan, though, as I can’t stand Letterman, but not with the same enthusiasm.
Cancel everything else but Letterman, Conan and Ferguson.
Those Kimmel NBA shows are pure torture to sit through. They should show his monologue to captured terrorists.
What are Stern’s politics? Does he have any particular beef with Obama? I don’t have satellite so I haven’t heard him in a few years.
At the risk of sounding like a plant or newsletter responder, I am also a former Letterman fan. I’m not sure exactly when it happened, but he just seems tired now, maybe it was Leno beating him every night in the ratings on the show he should have gotten.
Finally, regardless of politics, leave their kids out of it.
Dave retires in three years. Conan is there for 19 years before reaching the same age. NBC wins the slot for 16 years. That’s why they brought him in.
Craig Ferguson is the best one of the lot – smart, acerbic, candid, highly entertaining with a great comic sensibility and with a gravitas of a man who is well travelled and has *lived* – the latter is essential when engaging your guests.
Letterman and O’ Brien are tired, same hijinks: top 10 lists, animal tricks, in-the-year-2050-shticks etc.
The king of them all is Johnny Carson of course and Leno never did manage to overshadow the former’s legacy.
Thalberg was once the youngest head of a studio.
Then came Zucker as the youngest producer for the today show.
Thalberg has a building at USC. What bldg will anyone name for Zucker after he retires and destroys NBC TV?
Thalberg was a high school graduate. Zucker has a degree in History. The CEO of World Com had a BA in Phys Ed. When will America wake up and at least place someone in charge of a major conglomerate with a BA in Accounting or at least a MFA.
Personally NBC should steal the Stewart Show and move the tonight show to 1 AM where it could revive itself.
Conan like Ferguson is for insomniacs who will laugh at anything including the camera close ups. As for Letterman, how many bad top ten lists can one have each night of the week? Bring back Arsenio.
And we wonder why Hollywood has the reputation it has?
Do the math, people…
Conan’s had the job for a couple weeks. Expecting people to jump on the bandwagon and stay with him isn’t fair at this point.
Leno lagged behind Letterman too at first until the lucky Hugh Grant interview.
I’m not a big Conan fan. I always feel like he’s more focused on comedy lines and reactions to things said by guests rather than actually caring about the interview.
But give him a break.
He’s replacing a guy who was #1 for a long, long time. America needs time to find their new host. Leno wasn’t looking too good himself ratings-wise when he started and HE had YEARS of being the official fill-in host. America was used to him at 11:35 each night and his numbers were still kind of weak.
Conan may be a complete foreign entity to Tonight Show viewers. (12:35a-1:35a is a lot later)
He’ll either catch on or he won’t. But most likely he will. Someone has to be #2. Letterman (shockingly so) has been that guy for a while. He’s insightful and fun so I’m glad he’s snagged #1 back. But with viewers seeming to like everything simple and easy, maybe they’ll come back.
But Leno at 10:00 sure ain’t gonna make it any easier…
There must be some serious panic at NBC today. What did Leno average, like a 4.8 to 5.0 rating, and now Conan has a 2.8 in only week two? Where is the bottom for Conan? Like the real estate market, the bottom for Conan is still a way’s off.
At 12:30, Conan’s competition was Ferguson, who is insufferable. At 11:30, Conan’s competitors are Letterman and Nightline. Conan can, and will, bottom out with even lower numbers than he got at 12:30.
NBC is no doubt already making plans to jettison Leno’s 10pm show and move Leno back to 11:30 in September and get rid of Conan. Now that it’s clear Conan’s a failure at 11:30, they don’t have to worry about Conan going to another network and being a serious threat. He’s damaged goods.
What’s Zucker going to do for an encore? Move the Today show to 2 pm?
Are Fallon’s numbers dropping too?
Late Shift 2.0
How is Leno’s show a “dvr-proof move”?
If you mean my DVR will never capture it, you’re right about that.
Tho I’ve always preferred Dave over Jay, don’t count out Conan just yet. The same happened to him when he took over late-late-night on NBC and he stayed for a decade. As with Jay and his Hugh Grant interview, it can take ONE show to turn it around. Can anyway say “Obama?”
Jay doing live commercials will not be anything new for him. He did them on The Tonight Show (Frito-Lay being one client), just not that often, even though he personally encouraged advertisers to ask him to do them. Most advertisers are still happy to run good old 30 second spots — they’ve become highly under-rated the past few years, but man do they sell stuff.