Julia Roberts as a guest finally put Dave over the top in late night Tuesday night in the early Nielsen overnights following Howard Stern Monday night. They bested Conan and his guests of David Duchovny Monday night and Eddie Murphy on Tuesday night. And Eddie rarely does talk shows anymore so that was considered a guest “get” even if his movies bomb at the box office. True, Julia can’t open a movie anymore either, but she turned the tables on Dave last night and started interviewing him about his recent marriage, which Howard did as well.)
It’s the nightmare scenario for GE/NBC Universal that everyone but boss Jeff Zucker thought would happen: the network’s cash cow The Tonight Show, once safely No. 1 in the ratings with Jay Leno as host, now can only hope to seesaw in the ratings with Letterman’s Late Show. And it’s all Zucker’s fault. You’d think that NBC would be in a flopsweat over O’Brien’s ratings slide during his first and second week as host of The Tonight Show. You’d think that, but you’d be wrong. Now, most network suits would be spending every minute of every hour of every day brainstorming how to make the show more popular. But this is NBC where, when the going gets rough, the executives go golfing. That’s right, Conan’s longtime executive producer Jeff Ross is getting his money’s worth out of his spankin’ new membership at Riviera Country Club because he was on the golf course not only two weekends in a row — but both Saturday and Sunday last weekend even after Conan’s ratings began to fall.
June 9th
David Letterman 3.4
Conan O’Brien 2.9June 8th
David Letterman 3.0
Conan O’Brien 3.1This follows the plunging of Conan’s Tonight Show ratings from a debut high of 7.0 on June 1st (vs 2.8 for Dave’s Late Show), to 5.0 on June 2nd (vs 3.0), 4.2 on June 3rd (vs 2.8), 3.8 on June 4th (vs 3.2), to 3.5 on June 4th (vs 2.7).
Of course, helping Dave is the fact that, just last week, CBS had every one of the Nielsen Top 10 shows in network primetime in this period known as the summer repeat doldrums. And NBC’s primetime schedule is, as usual, tanking. (I told you that NBC even got bitch-slapped by Univision in the 8PM and 9PM hours.) So no help there for Conan.
There’s more bad news: Advertising Age reported Monday that while “NBC is touting Jay Leno’s new primentime program as an innovative, DVR-proof move, buyers say the new talk show will draw fewer viewers than ABC and CBS on any given night, and are balking at paying primetime prices for what they view ads late-night ratings. ‘He will guarantee NBC a third-place finish [behind ABC and CBS] in whatever hour he’s in,’ said Shari Ann Brill, senior VP-director of strategic audience analysis for Aegis gGroup’s Carat. ‘He will do on par with what he did in late night.’ ”
Sure, Zucker and his minions keep repeating the mantra that it doesn’t matter if Leno’s new show gets whipped in the ratings by scripted dramas because “we’re managing for margins, not ratings” because the programming not only will be cheaper to produce but also fresher throughout the year when other networks have to go into repeats. That argument isn’t cutting it with Madison Avenue. So what is Ben Silverman’s supposedly “creative” solution to appease advertisers who don’t want to pay primetime rates for late night ratings? He recently told Ad Age “the network would consider offering the opportunity to have Mr. Leno do live commercials, which he suggested would potentially be worth a price increase.”
Uh, did anyone at NBC even bother to tell Leno he may become a 10PM pitchman starting September 14th? A throwback holding up cans of Campbell Chunky Soup and bags of Purina Dog Chow while telling viewers how much he likes the products? How humiliating for Jay. He should have taken up ABC on that offer to compete with both Dave and Conan. Especially now that NBC executives have barraged Leno and his people with network edicts indicating the brass is favoring Cona’s show, like demands that Jay back off booking A-list celebrities because it would encroach on O’Brien’s turf.
One thing is certain: gone is Conan’s all-too-brief honeymoon period with the press. Not even NBCU’s PR War Room set up by Zucker will be able to spin this disaster. Because, while Conan’s debut was the highest-rated Monday episode of the veteran franchise in four years, June 5th’s was the lowest rated Friday episode in 6 months.
In the old days of network TV, a top executive who made such a horrendous mistake as Zucker did would not even wait to be fired: he’d have the class to offer his immediate resignation. But nothing seems to shame Jeff. Though many have tried. Just this past weekend, Marc Cherry reminded a packed audience at the “Produced By” Conference put on by the Producers Guild Of America about another error in judgment from the then NBC Entertainment President:
Cherry said that, after his Desperate Housewives became a huge hit for ABC in the fall of 2003, then NBCU chairman Bob Wright called and asked who at his network had passed on the show. Cherry told Wright that he’d given the pilot script to Karey Burke, then NBC’s EVP of primetime series development, and she’d loved it. But then Burke gave it to Jeff Zucker, who passed. ”The heat went onto Karey, who was soon looking for a new job,” Cherry said. “They were looking for someone else to blame.” And Zucker? That December, he was promoted to president of NBC’s Entertainment, News & Cable Group. And promoted again in 2004. And again in 2005. And promoted again in 2007 to his present job.
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Fire Zucker.
Fire Silverman.
Pull all cable promos off NBC air.
Subtitle all NBC shows/promos in Spanish.
Conan is not funny. He’s the worst choice for the Tonight Show.
Ummm, really guys? Let’s have this conversation 6 months from now. Retooling the tonight show after less than a week and a half is not going to happen. As lame and tired as the expression is, late night really is a marathon not a sprint.
Also nothing is going to happen until Leno is in place at 10 and has established himself there.
Nobody’s sweating it, Conan’s first week was better than anything Leno’s done in 16 years…he’ll find a steady audience eventually just like Dave has. Besides, Conan’s show is one of the most watched on Hulu as well, meaning his fans dvr, watch online, all the new media stuff.
People forget that Leno did pretty lousy when he just started, it took a while for him to build his…ahem…audience.
NBC keeps marketing this as the “new” TONIGHT SHOW.
Regardless of who is host this is one of their biggest mistakes in this process.
American viewers don’t want an institution like THE TONIGHT SHOW to seem like it’s changing.
This was Leno’s biggest strength, he gave the perception of consistency (and delivered it ratings wise too).
THE TONIGHT SHOW strongest audience isn’t on the coast. It’s backbone is middle-aged middle America and if those viewers wanted edgy fare before bed they would be watching the DAILY SHOW.
While I have said it before it bears repeating, NBC has broken the main and only sacred rule of TV programming.
They “canceled” a # 1 ranked show in it’s time slot (Leno) just so the bosses could play TV god and do a deal or two that didn’t need to happen yet so they could pump their egos.
All at the expense of their shareholders who now own a piece of the #2 show on Late Night.
And there won’t be a lot of Drama Emmy’s to win and Season long box set DVD’s for NBC to sell with Leno at 10pm 5 nights a week so NBC/Uni is looking at long term diminished returns for their overall TV business for the foreseeable future.
PS to Michelle T. – When Dave does retire Craig Ferguson moves to 11:30 on CBS and owns it for those 16 years you mentioned. Middle America loves that Scotsman. I happened to be in Vegas last year at a show of his and those are his people not Conan’s.
Since when is having the host doing commercials humiliating?
I still remember when Ed McMahon was doing a live Alpo ad on the Tonight Show & the dog wouldn’t eat the food.
Carson came over on all fours & ate the dog food right out of the dish!
A tremendous laugh 7 I’ll bet Alpo sales went up too!
Ok, I’m 25 years old and NEVER watched The Tonight Show. I’m talking NEVER. Since Conan took over I’m watching every night. He needs to find his audience, Jay’s audience will not stick around, because its obvious that Jay’s audience = dumb, Conan’s audience = hipper/smarter. He’s dumbing down his act for the Tonight Show, and it would serve him better if he returned to form and also did things a little differently, this format is so tired… But don’t count Conan out. He’s a genuis.
Conan O’Brien can always try a Silver Spoons reunion…
What was the Carson-Leno transition like in ’92 ratings-wise? Is it really worth getting this alarmist in Conan’s second week?
This makes me once again lose most of my faith in Americans. Jay Leno is the very definition of a hack and he does well every night. Conan O’Brien is one of the funniest people on television today–who else could get Martha Stewart to take a swig of OE 800?–and once he takes over the ratings plummet. It’s sad and ridiculous. It’s Jay Leno lovers that are ruining comedy for everyone. They’re the same people that made Yes Man a hit.
I find it hard to believe Jay’s audience will stick with Dave for the long haul, especially after nearly 17 years of making the decision to go with the nice guy. Who’s the funnier host isn’t actually as important as who’s the more likeable one. That’s the reason Jay beat Dave. And it’s the reason that eventually Conan will, too. He’s the disarming kid in this matchup.
What’s missing from Nikki’s analysis is a reporting of Nightline’s numbers. Yesterday the show got a 3.1. If Conan doesn’t pull it together, I bet many of Jay’s old viewers will settle there. Which is good for news programs, but not great for comedy.
Maybe Conan could try to reunite the cast of Saved by the Bell in-character to give his ratings a shot in the arm.
Conan is also competing against Stephen Colbert for the same audience/demo.
@Harley Both CW and NBC have spectacularly bad programming… but the CW is fun.
Example: The MELROSE PLACE pilot is mindblowingly entertaining. On the other side, HUMAN TARGET is atrocious.
“Managing for Margins.” I thought they were meant to entertain people.
At least money obsessed moguls like Louis Mayer and Harry Cohn understood the value of good entertainment. These bozos at NBC are just plain clueless.
Also… doesn’t Conan now have to not only contend with other Networks, but “The Colbert Report” on Comedy Central, given that both Conan and Colbert appeal to the same crowd?
Agreed with “Joe Melnick” and “Ted Watson”
Letterman once upon a time was wildly genius. Now he just seems tired and kinda resentful being there. He never moves from that desk.
The line up this week has been fitting punctuation to the laziness of that show. Bringing back all the old popular guests from long ago to leap frog in the ratings just seems sad, and an insult to fans. It was such a transparent manipulation of ratings – these guests didn’t even have anything to promote, or anything of interest to discuss. All stale old news. It is not sustainable and highlights the stagnation of that show.
It is ridiculous to say Julia Roberts can’t open a movie just because her last movie tanked. Male performers are given so much latitude. Shame on you Nikki for perpetuating the double standard towards female performers.
However, her appearance on Letterman was painful to watch. Her signature laugh sounded tired and grating, the over blown love fest was forced and irritating whereas it was once organic and genuine. Roberts has developed an unpleasant arrogance of late as well.
Regardless of politics, his shenanigan with McCain, and then his excessive vitriol towards Palin (whatever your politics), were really distasteful and linger.
They should just air the old Late Night shows instead and then they’d really clean up in the ratings. Those shows would hold up today and newer generations don’t know what they missed.
You REALLY care how Jeff Ross spends his WEEKENDS? Come on Nikke.
Joe…
Fair enuf. It’s worth mentioning, however, that Letterman also has a functioning brain, and apparently has made the grave mistake of disagreeing with you. (Politically, at any rate.) This in no way suggests he’s descended into a fever swamp of any kind. Any more than your own opinions suggest you’re a raving freeper hopped up on Hannity.
Right?
Conan clearly feels the heat because he’s now resorting to Leno-style “shut the bitch up” ‘jokes’ eliciting frightening whoops of delight from his miscreant audience.
That was probably the point at which viewers clicked over to Letterman.
Stern is the shit! And Zucker and Silverman are pieces of shit.
Ted, Joe, and “not a plant”
Letterman had a near death experience and a child in recent years.
if that doesn’t change a person’s world view i don’t know what will.
But, I don’t watch talk shows. Not because I’m some snooty intellectual (I love trash) but because the format (monologue, bit, guest/plug, guest/plug, band) is so unbelievably tired and boring and oh my god I can’t believe there’s so much of it about. Does every network need so many of the exact same format?!
Larry Sanders forever.
NBC was prepared to see ratings plummet like this in September when Leno started at 10, they were not expecting to see numbers this low so fast.
Conan is in big trouble. New shows don’t settle into their lows for four to six weeks and his trend is only in one direction: down.
I’m not saying it will happen but it’s possible that one month from now Conan on the Tonight Show will be drawing less viewers than Conan on Late Night.
People keep discussing Leno’s comedy but what mattered was his ratings, which were almost always good enough for first place. Letterman with Julia Roberts NEVER would have beat Leno, ever, yet alone Leno with Eddie Murphy.
Don’t kid yourself. This is an unmitigated disaster for NBC. They need to re-tool this show quickly before the Leno defectors settle in at the other networks for good.
Conan has always been a niche humorist. He’s goofy funny if you like that sort of thing, but has never had the potential for broad appeal.
He was in the perfect place with his old job, a great mistake of ego that he even wanted the chance to fail in Jay’s job.
But then, it took Jay a litle while to catch on, at this point NBC is best to give it a little time. Conan may suprise us all and get his legs under him, but if he thinks he can succeed with the same angle as on late night, he’s quite wrong.
The Tonight Show has to be easy to watch, angst driven comedy won’t work for the bedtime crowd.
Warm milk, Conan. Warm milk.