Luke Y Thompson is covering the Con for DHD with an emphasis on Hollywood:
August 21st will be "Worldwide AVATAR Day". When 3-D Imax theaters worldwide will show 15 minutes of the movie for free, and the video game and toy line will be launched. But we saw more of the film. I’ll try to describe the barely describable. Overall, my opinion is that the 3-D is certainly impressive when it comes to minuscule details like the virtual reality computer displays that are everywhere in the lab, or the tiny things that flutter through the atmosphere. But should we really be focusing on minor details like that rather than big-picture stuff? Yes, it's clear this Comic-Con crowd likes to nitpick stuff to death, but is barraging with minor details the answer? Fox Filmed Entertainment Group chairman Tom Rothman, in his introduction, took pains to say it's all in the service of character and plot. But the plot is deliberately still being left a little ambiguous to tease all of us, so the jury is out. What is apparant is the film looks beautiful.
What we saw: It begins with a drill sergeant’s boots on the ground. This is Col. Miles Quarridge, played by Steven Lang. He’s warning a group of military types about the dangers of the planet they are on, Pandora. Every animal out there will try to kill them, and the native Na’vi are handy with arrows. “If there is a hell, you might wanna go there for some R&R after a tour on Pandora… As head of security, it is my job to keep you alive. I will not succeed.”
Our hero is a wheelchair-bound Sam Worthington. He listens intently.
Next scene, he is discovering the Avatars – cloned Na’vi bodies with a bit of human DNA that are controlled remotely by humans in chambers who mentally merge with the bodies. Na’vi are ten-foot tall blue feline-people, with UV-sensitive patterns on their skin. Sigourney Weaver (huge cheer from crowd when they see her) is Grace, who seems to have a past with Sam. She gets him into the chamber while sassing back to his smart remarks. Then he merges – we see this process briefly from his perspective, then get a look at his new Na’vi body waking up and wreaking a bit of havoc as he figures out his reflexes a tad quickly. The body looks both alien and a bit like Sam, but very photo-real despite being all CG.
Later scene – Avatars of Sam and Sigourney, among others, out in the alien jungle. (We will shortly notice that many of the animals on this world look like dinosaurs cross-bred with flowers). Sam sees a bunch of trees shaped like seashells – he touches one and it collapses. Having fun, he touches them all. When they all disappear, it reveals a giant rhino/hammerhead shark thing.
Weaver: “Don’t shoot! It’ll piss him off!”
Sam gets into a stand-off and it backs away, but this is an old trick – it’s actually backing away from the monster right behind Sam, a six legged panther/flower/Sammael-from-Hellboy critter. Sam asks what he should do this time, and Sigourney says, "RUN!"
At this point, I start to wonder – where is the jeopardy if these are only cloned bodies and our heroes are actually safe back in the lab? I guess Cameron will explain this at some point.
Later scene – a female Na’vi – Zoe Saldana as Princess Natiri –is about to shoot Sam with an arrow, but a floating jellyfish-type thing lands on it and she takes that as an omen. Instead she fights off a bunch of smaller predators (think dog/alligator hybrid). He thanks her; she rejects his thanks, saying this is sad. He’s like a loud baby, she says, and brought it on himself. But then a whole bunch of the jellyfish things land on Sam and she says they’re seeds of the sacred tree. They blow away like dandelion seeds.
It’s now night, and the entire forest seems to be blacklight-compatible and touch-sensitive. Stoners and trippers will love this movie forever. The palette is very vivid, especially in the next scene where Sam is being initiated into the Na’vi tribe, it seems, part of which involves walking around a cliff-side to capture a pet dragon (well, a dragon with multiple leaf/dragonfly type wings – again, looks like a bit of plant DNA in there).
Sam: “How will I know if he chooses me?”
Natiri: “He will try to kill you”
Sam: “Outstanding.”He wrestles one of the creatures, then gets it to submit by pulling its ear hair. Crazy colors in this sequence. He is told that he has to fly it right away. They go off a cliff, fly crazy, till Sam yells “Shut up and fly straight!” It does. Telepathic link and such.
That’s it for footage. Panel with James Cameron, Sigourney Weaver, Steven Lang, Zoe Saldana:
Sigourney: “This is the movie you’ve been waiting for.” Grace is trying to protect the Na’vi from the destructive forces of earth.
Lang is still in character, calls Weaver a “tree-hugger.” Implies the movie culminates in a big human versus Na’vi battle.
Of working with Cameron again, Weaver says “the moth went back to the flame. We did it all for you, because we know you’ll notice every single little thing.”
A doctor at USC spent two years developing the Na’vi language. Actors had to dehumanize. Zoe notes that even simple gestures like head nodding are too human, and must be unlearned.
Steven says of his character, “His soul was in such a state of chaos and decrepitude, and what a sad thing to be in a place like Eden and not understand or appreciate it.”
Any future Cameron projects for the Governator? “I wouldn’t rule that out, but Arnold loves a press conference as much as anyone else, so I’m gonna leave it to Arnold to announce.”
Michael Biehn cameo? No – the only role he’d have been good for is Lang’s, which is poetic justice. (Lang wanted Biehn’s role in ALIENS back when.)
What started the idea? Cameron says “I was the CEO of Digital Domain at the time We were lagging behind in 3D composition. I wanted to push the development. They said ‘Are you nuts? We can’t do this!’”
He stowed the script for four years, then came back to it after he saw Gollum in LORDS OF THE RING. Figured it could be done, and thought the war plot was timely. The action is “a spoonful of sugar,” with the medicine being the theme of how we react with nature and our fellow man.
I just saw the footage and it was way more than I expected and better. It was worth the wait to sit through the Twilight panel right beforehand.
There’s clearly a real, human story there that is being told and the way that the characters are rendered is like nothing ever seen before on screen. The most important thing for me is the eyes with CGI and I can honestly say that when the lady Na’vi decides not to shoot the main character with her bow because the floaty seed-spirit lands on her arrow you get the whole story as to why just by the emotion that you see in her eyes.
In my opinion Avatar looks like it lives up to the hype and Cameron came on after Tom Rothman gave him a very passionate, and genuine welcome.
So????
No critique?
I’d rather they just release it when the time comes, the more I hear about it the less interested I am. It sounds more and more like the standard ‘man is bad, ruining the beauty of nature etc’. I got it, we suck. And by ‘we’, I gather it’s white male Americans. They’re the worst.
I saw ‘Up’ in 3D and hated it. Every time the camera panned the image stuttered, it was very annoying. The movie wasn’t very good either.
Nikki, can you stop cutting and pasting the same “you know I don’t do geek” bit at the start of these comic-con columns? First, geeks rule the world so there’s no harm sucking up to them and second, you do even if you won’t admit it to yourself. Every time you report on 3D screens, IMAX, CG animation or Zuckerman, you’re doing geek. Embrace it.
You kinda do geek.
The king of the world has no clothes this time. Avatar sounds utterly idiotic and supremely stupid. Dumbest thing I’ve ever read. I hope it bombs. Cameron could have made many movies since Titanic but he got so full of himself he became paralyzed by his own greatness and this is the long-awaited ten year result. Total celluloid crap. Or digital crap since actual film stock wasn’t used. Dinosaurs crossed with flowers huh? Pass. And the humans sound even worse. A total waste of time and money is what this thing sounds like.
The brilliant thing about this movie is that if you decide you want to see it, you’re going to hoof it out to the theater rather than wait for the DVD. They’ve managed to create the impression that you’d miss a lot by not seeing it in a theater, and an IMAX at that.
I really don’t understand the negative comments. If it’s not for you, no problem, don’t see it. But you live in a region and work in an industry that is dying, and this guy is creating a bit of excitement and getting people into the theater? What’s not to like? You’re still probably going to end up bagging groceries in five years, but hey, this is a at least a positive development.
Some day soon we’ll look back at these horrid excuses for creativity and ask ourselves why we ever spent so much time and money to bring them to life. This animated comic geek garbage just gets worse and worse. Where did all the adults go?
@Ted Morrison– you sound like the most miserable human being on the planet
James Cameron made the highest grossing movie ever, when one of you do that– complain.
Nikki, you LOVE geek…
Way to much credit is given to Mr.C. There are hundreds of people working very hard on this project.
I would think Jon and Rae the two long time producing partners with Mr.C had something to do with it.They assembled a world wide production to see to it that Cameron’s vision comes to life. And then they have to deal with Cameron. Not many alive I think could do that on one movie let alone two. So its success should be spread around like butter covering the whole piece of Avatar Toast. Robbie Goldstein
Even if the story sucks, the CGI and the 3D will be better than anything we’ve ever seen. Cameron has said that 3D is used as a gimmick right now and he wants to help change that perception. At the very least his new special FX software and new 3D camera will change the way future movies are done. And for people who actually think this will blow, at the very least take 15 minutes out of your “busy” day and see the FREE footage of it so you can decide.
Don’t worry about the negative comments, these were the same geniuses who poo-poohed Titanic… that is before it came out of course.
During the Q&A, a young kid stood up and thanked Jim for making something original instead of a remake or an adaptation. The kid got a roar of applause.
Looking forward to Jim turning the world on its head once again.
This movie has been a long time coming. Cameron always puts 100% into his projects. This should be nothing short of special.
I knew they were overhyping it. I’ve been reading the various websites for reactions and they’re definitely “eh.” “Looks really cool” but that’s about it. 3D is overrated, they used motion capture and green screen and that’s supposed to be revolutionary?? Please, audiences are no longer ignorant about the ridiculous hype which just leads to disappointment.
I still have issues with too much CG, but I’ll still check it out anyhow.
All those stories of Fox being clueless and panicked about how they are actually going to market this to the masses suddenly fall into place.
A huge CGI affair with a bloated budget that will appeal to all the nerds in geekdom and no one else, It’s got Watchman 2.0 written all over it.
I look forward to seeing Fox’s cringe worthy efforts to market this to the same teenage girl demo that made Titanic such a smash. Titanic had Leo. Avatar has ten foot tall blue aliens and mechs that look like Aliens fan art.
Personally I’m psyched, but I’m just glad that I’m not the one paying for it all.
Overhype? Maybe, but if anyone can bring together state-of-the art special F/X in 3D and an epic story with solid acting, it’s James Cameron!!
Personally, I’ve never met a James Cameron movie I didn’t like. I saw the footage at the Con, and I think this is going to blow everybody away, not just the geeks and the fan boys.
Avatar is going to RULE. James Cameron would not have spent so much time and effort into something that would not be groundbreaking cinema. While the all the talk has been about the technology, the cast and the story should be amazing. Can’t wait!
Does anyone really think a director like James Cameron would have wasted years on making a film that will NOT be groundbreaking (or at the very least wildly entertaining)? You couldn’t keep me away from this one!!
I think geeks and the mainstream will unite for this epic film that has dazzling new special f/x, a fantastic story and a great cast of actors (just as they did for Peter Jackson’s work)
Anonymous and Ugh, what a bunch of sad losers you are. Dear God the amount of JEALOUSY just kills me! Where do these vampires come from?? What have YOU done with YOUR life? James Cameron helped developed new technology, unless you can’t respect even that (if not his films) just because you’re poisoned by jealousy over the fact he made the highest grossing film of all time, then you’re scrrreewd,
I am proud to give credit where its due and not tear people down, ffs.
Hi Nikki
The most burning question about Avatar is this:
how will the movie – reported to have a 189 minutes running time – screen on IMAX?
- the IMAX “hard disc” allows for only 160 min of footage.
Do you know if the movie will be shortened for IMAX?
Isn’t this an adaptation of a Japanese comic or cartoon? (Not AVATAR THE LAST AIRBENDER- that thing Shymalan is doing- but some earlier work with a similar name?)
Can’t wait to see the scifi return of Sigourney Weaver! James Cameron rules!!
“Don’t worry about the negative comments, these were the same geniuses who poo-poohed Titanic… that is before it came out of course.”
Which I hated. After it came out.
The more I hear about Avatar, the less I like it. Sounds more like Transformers and look, robots! Let’s start a franchise! than an actual film to me. Don’t see myself being wowed by this at all. Great CGI and whatnot, is it too much to ask for a good narrative and layered characters?
Geesh is incorrect, I’m slap-happy and carefree. I just don’t like the 3D movies we’re supposed to watch from now on. The motion is very stuttered and it ruins the immersive effect of the movie. Apart from every time the camera moves, it’s just fine.
Your logic is baffling. I have to make an all-time top ten grossing movie before I can complain about Avatar? I thought I could just buy a freaking movie ticket. This is going to take way longer.
My earlier suspicions have been confirmed by Cameron’s appearance at Com-Con – it’s all about how awful humans (Americans) are, specifically republican Americans, even more specifically white male republican americans who are, or who voted for, GW Bush. Can’t wait.
@jkl
I think the issue here is that they’re looking at past history and coming to a conclusion. Final Fantasy came out in 2001 with full motion capture and CGI and pretty much bombed. Two Towers with its awesome Gollum CGI came out in 2002, everyone said “Wow, that’s cool!” and then went back to business as usual. Polar Express in 2004 – “Man, they’re just creepy with dead eyes”. Beowulf in 2007 – “Looks great, now what else is on”.
These all ranged from duds (Final Fantasy) to megahits (Lord of the Rings), but none of them really changed the face of how we watch movies. They were all “That’s nice – next” reactions (in terms of their CGI and technology work).
The contrast is that Jim Cameron HAS changed the face of how we view movies in the past – probably the best example is with his light-refractive CGI work first on The Abyss and then Terminator 2. Soon EVERYONE was using that – not just because it looked cool, but because it was fairly priced too.
I think the takeaway here is that the technology has to (a) complement, rather than distract from, the content, and (b) has to be relatively affordable. Given the relative underpromotion of anything non-CGI about Avatar (a) is definitely a concern on the horizon. (b) is also a concern – how many big “Water Tank” movies have been attempted after Waterworld and Titanic? Even Pirates of the Carribean emphasised open water during production despite the problems with relative wind effects.
I’m personally am not surprised that a proportion of people are looking at the historical evidence and coming up with “Dud”. I’m still on the fence – I have yet to be convinced that the value add of CGI is worth the diminishing returns it places on the budget, and I need to know about the content before I will make any judgement calls.
@ Foamy
Cameron wanted to make this film in the 90s, but he was told it was impossible (btw does this remind you of a certain car manufacturer?). The reason it was deemed impossible was because most of the action in the film takes place on another planet and in the 90s, it was impossible to create all that this film needed for it to feel truly original and groundbreaking. Cameron did not make Avatar so that he could simply brag. He doesn’t need to do that – I am sure we can both agree on that. The only reason there even is CGI in Avatar is (credibility) because its vital.
Final Fantasy bombed because it was based on a video game. Everybody knows video games seldom make great movies and/or hits. In Beowolf the CGI was just completely unnecessary, as it was in Polar Express. Both of them were sort of experiments, I understand.
Gollum changed the face of film industry in the sense that it made Cameron adamant Avatar was possible to make.
This is what Anonymous wrote that got to me most (yes even more so than the two lines I’ve quoted below): “Cameron could have made many movies since Titanic but he got so full of himself he became paralyzed by his own greatness and this is the long-awaited ten year result.”
Isn’t (wasn’t) the whole point in making films that you tell stories you want to share with the world? Just because Cameron did not want to make ‘Bad Santa’, ‘High School Musical 3′ or ‘Transformers 2′, doesn’t mean he is full of himself. Is Terrence Malick paralyzed by his own greatness? But nobody is tearing Malick down, because he rarely makes films which make a lot of money. It all boils down to jealousy.
Anonymous: “Dumbest thing I’ve ever read. I hope it bombs.”
He hasn’t seen a minute of the footage, and is already hoping for it to bomb. Inexcusable. This guy is a real vampire. God I’d hate to be him; wishing negativity and relishing in people’s misfortunate and suffering.
The more I read about the plot, the less sense it makes. Groundbreaking tech? Sure, but that’s a one-quadrant draw. Watchmen proved that you can’t make money marketing strictly to geeks. No big stars, a convoluted story, and a dependence on a gimmick (Imax 3-D) that has a limited exposure (just how many Imax 3-D screens are there?). All credit to Cameron for taking a chance, but it sounds as if he’s going to come up snake-eyes on this one.