SEPTEMBER ELECTIONS: Larry Gelbart Writes Open Letter To WGA Membership
UPDATE: It seems the John Wells camp sent me two versions of his rebuttal: one on Google, and one on Word. I opened the Google document first and posted. Then I went and opened the Word document and saw it was still in "tracking" mode and clearly an extensively edited document. I contacted the Wells camp as to which version they wanted me to post. I was asked to click "accept changes", then swap out the Google document for the Word document. Which I've now done. For transparency, DHD has posted the edited version first, but also made available the unedited version. (Click "more".) Who fucked this up? Craig Mazin...
Larry’s statement deeply saddens me. He is one of my writing idols. And while I’m pleased he thinks I’m a “nice guy,” and I hope he thinks I’m the “very smart” one of the “Two Johns,” the tone, innuendo, half-truths and outright falsehoods that riddle his remarks epitomize what I feel has gone terribly wrong with the level of debate in the Guild since Writers United took control.
This isn’t the first time Larry and I have been at odds over the direction of the Guild, and I’m surprised that he didn’t disclose that history before launching into his attack. Years ago, Larry filed a charge with the Department of Labor against our union over whether showrunners (me in particular) could serve in elective Guild office. The Department of Labor disagreed, and dismissed the complaint.
But the defense of Larry’s fruitless charge cost our Guild well over two hundred thousand dollars of our hard-earned dues money to defend.
Of course, he wasn’t just wrong in the law, but in principle as well. I began my career as a staff writer, protected by the participation of Guild giants like Frank Pierson and David Rintels, Ed North, John Furia and Mel Shavelson. And I fully expect to be protected and supported in my retirement by the next generation of Shawn Ryans, Greg Daniels and Matthew Weiners. We all benefit from the participation in Guild politics by those lucky enough to be successful at that moment in their careers. Where would we have been in last year’s strike without our showrunners? Without Marc Cherry or Neal Baer, David Goodman or John Bowman?
Unfortunately, Guild politics isn’t always pleasant. This time, Larry’s target isn’t our Guild, but my reputation.
The truth is the best defense.
Larry claims that the Guild “became timid and obsequious” during my Presidency. In the 2001 negotiation we got 1.2% of 100% of internet rentals (the homevideo/DVD formula we’d always dreamed of getting but never had – and double what we got on internet downloads after three months of striking in ’07). We got a massive increase in our foreign television residuals and in our made for Pay formulas. And FOX was made a full network. All without striking – if that’s “timid and obsequious” negotiating, I hope whoever is elected President can be even more timid and obsequious in our next negotiation.
Larry claims that I was a “solo act” and “consulted no one”. Nothing could be further from the truth. We held numerous membership meetings, conducted detailed surveys, and I worked closely with the Negotiating Committee to negotiate the deal. In fact, the Negotiating Committee in ’01 was far more involved in the day-to-day specifics of the negotiations than the ’07 Negotiating Committee. (Please feel free to contact any member of the ’07 Negotiating Committee to ask them about how little they were actually involved in the negotiations). I did absolutely nothing as a solo act, working directly with the Board and the Negotiating Committee at every instance.
Larry also accuses me of “trading away” our DVD percentage for a one-time “script bonus” in 2001. “Better than nothing, but not by much.” This charge is patently absurd. Larry seems to be suggesting that increasing the DVD percentage in ’01 was simply a matter of will. If it were that simple, why didn’t Larry do it as a member of the Negotiating Committee in ’85 that stuck us with the crappy DVD formula in the first place? Or as a member of the ’88 Negotiating Committee that did nothing to get a better DVD formula for us during a five month strike? If phone trees and organizing were all that was required to increase the DVD formula, why did the current Guild leadership give up on DVDs in ’07 at the very beginning of the strike?
Larry suggests that the 2004 negotiation is “generally regarded as a disaster.” “Generally regarded” by whom? He doesn’t say. I guess Larry believes that a “disastrous” contract is one that protects our Pension and Health Fund and allows us to maintain benefits for the largest number of members. He then belittles the gains by suggesting the companies “coughed up some extra funding for our health fund.” Coughed up some extra funding? The Health and Pension Trustees begged us to make this our highest priority, so we did. It kept our Health Fund solvent.
Larry then goes on to say “both Johns argued forcefully that we mustn’t even ask” for the companies to cough up more than they did so as to be able to cover more writers. This is an outright lie. I never made such a statement, nor would I ever make such a statement.
And this very same “disastrous” 2004 negotiation enabled us to mount an effective strike in ’07. Why? It allowed us to move our contract expiration date into the fall, far in advance of the expiration of the DGA contract and smack dab in the middle of the fall television production season. If our contract expiration date had remained in the early summer, we would not have had the leverage necessary to strike for New Media in ‘07. We would have been handed a contract by the DGA without the benefit of our muscle on the picket line forcing a better deal. This wasn’t some lucky accident. We spent over a decade planning how to get our date moved into the fall, and that planning served us well in ’07. Current leadership squandered this advantage by not insisting on our maintaining our fall date as a condition of ending the strike. They could have gotten it, they didn’t.
Larry seems to be trying very, very hard to link me with John McLean, and I suppose I should be flattered that Larry has created a new turn of phrase to describe “The Two Johns” (although I somehow doubt it was intended to be complimentary). As President, I worked with the Executive Director. But if Larry had taken the time to do a little research, he would have discovered that I did not serve on the Executive Director Search Committee that hired John McLean, but that I did serve on the Executive Director Search Committee that recommended to the Board that we hire David Young.
Larry brings up what he refers to as my “Dear Jim” letter, suggesting that it somehow prevented us from getting a better deal from the Companies. This is yet another ridiculous and false allegation. Patric Verrone argued just a few weeks later that the WGA deal based on the DGA template was excellent. So which is it? Was our deal bad…or good?
He also claimed that my email encouraged members to accept the DGA deal and “go back to work,” further suggesting “That note, with the force of an IED, cut the legs off our negotiators.” My letter said no such thing and did no such thing. In case you didn’t read it, here is what it said after explaining the specifics of what the DGA had negotiated:
“Our Negotiating Committee has numerous issues that are specific to writers that must still be resolved with the AMPTP: the term of our next contract, pension and health issues, separated rights on new media, and jurisdiction for material written for derivatives that will not be filmed (show blogs, web-only stories, etc). But this is a historic deal. We've won. The strike was necessary to win it and I can only assume our Negotiating Committee will be sitting down with the AMPTP by early next week to resolve these last, final issues. It's a very good day for all of us.”
That’s it. Cut the legs off of our negotiators? Encouraged members to accept the DGA deal and go back to work? Really? I beg to differ. But you don’t have to take my word for it. If you’ve never read it, it’s still hanging around the Internet somewhere. Dig it up and read it for yourself.
And finally, the most personally painful of Larry’s accusations -- that I mistreated the writers I was working with on The West Wing.
The West Wing was a critically successful show, but never a big ratings hit. As soon as the ratings began to fall, the studio and network lowered the license fee and the show’s budget, forcing us to make extensive cuts. I didn’t want to lay off any writers, so I asked everyone to forgo raises (producers, directors and writers), and I took a pay cut. Larry is correct in saying this happened after the staffing season was mostly completed, but the budget cutbacks didn’t come until after the staffing season. We all made a little less (myself included), but everyone kept working. It made for a juicy story--“the President of the Writers Guild screwing writers.” But if Larry had taken the time to contact any of the writers involved, he would have discovered that when the meager profits for the show did start to trickle in, I took all of mine and distributed them to the members of the company – including the writers.
I didn’t have to do that, just as I didn’t have to keep all of the writers on the show, just as I didn’t have to cut my own pay. I did the best I could in a tough spot, and I would do it again. There’s a reason Jeff Melvoin, the mastermind behind our excellent Showrunner Training Program, is endorsing me.
Larry’s a fighter. As a member of the negotiating committees in the strike years of ’85 and ’88, and as a committed supporter of our most recent strike in ’07, he fought for all of our rights. Larry believes a Guild’s purpose is to strike, and he’s good at it. We’ve needed field generals like Larry and Patric Verrone and George Kirgo -- and we’ve needed diplomats like Dan Petrie, John Furia and Del Reisman, who believed in engagement and hard-nosed negotiation. I like to think of myself as bringing a bit of both. We went to war over rollbacks in 1988 and new media jurisdiction in 2007. Without striking, tough, pragmatic negotiations in 2001 and 2004 secured Internet rentals and saved our health fund. Both tactics work. But in the end, no matter how long or strong you strike, every fight must end with a deal.
Larry’s statement gave me a reason to fight, but in the spirit of diplomacy, I’ll end with an olive branch. Larry Gelbart is a great writer, and I know he loves his Guild. If you choose to return me to office, I can assure you I will fight hard for all of our mutual interests—yours, mine, and yes, even Larry’s. I know that Larry respects Patric Verrone, as do I, so I’ll borrow a phrase that Patric used so often and effectively during the strike.
We’re all in this together, Larry.
Click to see the unedited version of John Wells' rebuttal.
I have to say this non-candidate statement from Larry’s statement deeply saddens me. Larry He is one of my writing idols. And while I’m pleased he thinks I’m a “nice guy,” and I hope he thinks I’m the “very smart” one of the “Ttwo Johns,”, the tone, innuendo, half-truths and outright falsehoods that riddle this screed passing as folksy commentary is his remarks epitomizeexactly what I feel has gone terribly wrong with the level of debate within in the Guild since Writers United took control of the Guild.
This isn’t the first time Larry and I have been at odds over the direction of the Guild, and I’m surprised that Larry he didn’t consider it necessary to disclose this that history as a bit of a disclaimer before launching into this his attack. Years ago, Larry personally filed a charge with the Department of Labor against his own Guildour union with the Department of Labor over whether showrunners (me in particular) could serve in elective Guild office. He lost resoundingly when tThe Department of Labor disagreed, and dismissed the complaint.
But the defense of this Larry’s his fruitless charge lawsuit cost our Guild well over two hundred thousand dollars of our hard-earned dues money to defend. Two hundred thousand dollars of our hard earned dues money.
Of course, he wasn’t just wrong in the law, but in principle as well. Our Guild was founded by and has benefited from the participation of those of us fortunate enough to be very successful at some point in our careers. I began my involvement with the Guild as a career as a staff writer in television, protected by the participation of Guild giants like Frank Pierson and David Rintels, Ed North, John Furia and Mel Shavelson. And I fully expect to be protected and supported in my retirement by the next generation of Shawn Ryans, Greg Daniels and Matthew Weiners. We all benefit from the participation in Guild politics by those lucky enough to be successful at that moment in their careers. Where would we have been in last year’s strike without our showrunners? Without writer-directors like Phil Robinson and or Tom Schulman? Without Ed Solomon and or Marc Norman supporting us wholeheartedly?. Marc Cherry or Neal Baer, David Goodman or John Bowman?
But that history aside, I’d like to take a moment to respond to some of the more outrageous of Larry’s allegations. Unfortunately, Guild politics isn’t always pleasant. This time, Larry’s target isn’t our Guild, but my reputation.
The truth is the best defense.
Larry claims that the Guild “became timid and obsequious” during my Presidency. In the 2001 negotiation we got 1.2% of 100% of internet rentals (the homevideo/DVD formula we’d always dreamed of getting but never had – and that we didn’t getdouble what we got on internet downloads to won withafter three months of very effective striking in ’07, we got half that much). We got a massive increase in our foreign television residuals and in our made for Pay formulas. (that amounted to the largest increase in this years residuals report), And FOXox was made a full network. and substantial increases in our made for Pay formulas. All without striking – if that’s “timid and obsequious” negotiating, I hope whoever is elected President can get us more of thatbe even more timid and obsequious in our next negotiation.
Larry claims that I acted aswas a “solo act” and “consulted no one”. Nothing could be farther further from the truth. We held numerous membership meetings, conducted detailed surveys, and I worked closely with the Nnegotiating Ccommittee to negotiate the deal. In fact, the Nnegotiating Ccommittee in ’01 was far more involved in the day-to-day specifics of the negotiations than the ’07 Nnegotiating Ccommittee. (Pplease feel free to contact any member of the ’07 Nnegotiating Ccommittee to ask them about how little they were actually involved in the negotiations). I did absolutely nothing as a solo act, wand I workinged directly with the Board and the Negotiating Committee at every instance. Reporting any individual conversations I had with anyone to both bodies immediately. Again, this was not done in ’07.
Larry also accuses me of “trading away” our DVD percentage for a one-time “script bonus” in 2001. “Better than nothing, but not by much.” I don’t really know where to begin in rebutting this bit of absurdityThis charge is patently absurd. Larry seems to be suggesting that increasing the DVD percentage in ’01 was simply a matter of will -- that organizing “phone trees” could have solved. If it was were that simple, why didn’t Larry solve thisdo itprevent this as a member of the Negotiating Committee in ’85 that stuck us with this the crappy DVD formula in the first place? Or as a member of the ’88 Negotiating Committee that did nothing to get a better DVD formula for us during a five month strike?. Or more recently (and obviously), iIf phone trees and organizing was were all that was required to increase the DVD formula, why did the current Guild leadership give up on DVDs in ’07 at the very beginning of the strike? Give up on fighting to increase DVDs in the midst of the most impressive strike we’ve ever thrown?
Larry suggests that the 2004 negotiation that I participated in as a member of the committee is “generally regarded as a disaster.” “Generally regarded” by whom? He doesn’t say. I guess Larry believes that a “disastrous” contract is one that protects our Pension and Health Fund and allows us to maintain benefits for the largest number of members. He then belittles the gains by suggesting the companies “coughed up some extra funding for our health fund.” Coughed up some extra funding? The Health and Pension Trustees begged us to make this our highest priority, so we did. It kept our Health Fund solvent. Larry may be in a position to believe that this was a disastrous negotiation, but I doubt many members would agree. .
Larry then goes on to say “both Johns argued forcefully that we mustn’t even ask” for the companies to cough up more than they did so as to be able to cover more writers. This is an outright lie. I never made such a statement, nor would I ever make such a statement.
And this very same “disastrous” 2001 2004 negotiation is the only reason we were ableenabled us to mount an effective strike in ’07. Why? Because iIt allowed us to move our contract expiration date into the fall, far in advance of the expiration of the DGA contract and smack dab in the middle of the fall television production season. If our contract expiration date had remained in the early summer, we would not have had the leverage necessary to strike for New Media in ‘07. We would have been handed a contract by the DGA without the benefit of our muscle on the picket line forcing a better deal. This wasn’t some lucky accident., Wwe spent over a decade planning how to get our date moved into the fall, and it that planning served us well in ’07. Current leadership squandered this advantage by not insisting on our maintaining our fall date as a condition of ending the strike. They could have gotten it, they didn’t.
Larry seems to be trying very, very hard to link me with John McLean, and I suppose I should be flattered that Larry has created a new turn of phrase to describe “The TwoJohn and Johns” (although I somehow doubt it was intended to be complimentary). As President, I worked with the Executive Director. But if Larry had’d taken the time to do a little research, he would have discovered that I did not serve on the Executive Director Search Committee that hired John McLean, but that I did serve on the Executive Director Search Committee that unanimously recommended to the Board that we hire David Young.
“John and John”, I’d never heard that before. I have to give Larry credit, it’s pretty funny, but not apropos of much of anything.
Larry brings up what he refers to as my “Dear Jim” letter, suggesting that my letter to a friend that was later widely distributed on the Internetit somehow prevented us from getting a better deal from the Companies. This is yet another ridiculous statement that is not based on the factsand false allegation. Patric Verrone argued just a few weeks later that the WGA deal based on the DGA template was excellent. So which is it? Was our deal bad…or good?
He also suggested claimed that mythe email encouraged members to accept the DGA deal and “go back to work,”, further suggesting “That note, with the force of an IED, cut the legs off our negotiators.” My letter said no such thing and did no such thing. In case you didn’t read it, here is what it said after explaining the specifics of what the DGA had negotiated: –
“While the DGA deserves our thanks and appreciation for negotiating a terrific deal that will serve as a template for all three creative Guilds, none of this would have been possible without the blood, sweat and sacrifice of WGA members during this very effective strike. The Companies made a deal they didn't want to make because of our resolve. They clearly understood how important these issues were for our members and stepped up to resolve them.
Our Negotiating Committee has numerous issues that are specific to writers that must still be resolved with the AMPTP: the term of our next contract, pension and health issues, separated rights on new media, and jurisdiction for material written for derivatives that will not be filmed (show blogs, web-only stories, etc). But this is a historic deal. We've won. The strike was necessary to win it and I can only assume our Negotiating Committee will be sitting down with the AMPTP by early next week to resolve these last, final issues. It's a very good day for all of us.”
That’s it. Cut the legs off of our negotiators? Encouraged members to accept the DGA deal and go back to work? Really? I beg to differ. But you don’t have to take my word for it. If you’ve never read it, it’s still hanging around the Internet somewhere., dig Dig it up and read it for yourself.
And finally, the most personally painful of Larry’s accusations -- that I mistreated the writers I was working with on The West Wing. Just because you say it, doesn’t make it so. I feel like the guy in the old story who is asked when he stopped beating his wife. This accusation is based on half-truths and rumor that Larry apparently didn’t have the time to check out.
The West Wing was a critically successful show, but never a big ratings hit. As with other expensive, critical hits, as soon as the ratings began to fall, the studio and network lowered the license fee and the show’s budget, and forced forcing us to make extensive cuts. I didn’t want to cut any jobslay off any writers, so I asked everyone to stay at their last year’s ratesforgo raises (producers, directors and writers), and I took a pay cut. Larry is correct in saying this happened after the staffing season was mostly completed, but the budget cutbacks didn’t come until after the staffing season. We all made a little less (me myself included), and but everyone kept working. One of the writers involved had extensive previous contacts in the press and called one of them. It made for a juicy story, --“the President of the Writers Guild screwing writers.” But if Larry had taken the time to contact any of the writers involved, he would have discovered that when the meager profits for the show did start to trickle in, I took all of mine and distributed them to the members of the company – including the writers.
I didn’t have to do that, just as I didn’t have to keep all of the writers on the show, just as I didn’t have to cut my own pay. I did the best I could in a tough spot, and I would do it again. There’s a reason Jeff Melvoin, the mastermind behind our excellent Showrunner Training Program, is endorsing me.
Larry’s a fighter. As a member of the negotiating committees in the strike years of ’85 and ’88, and as a committed supporter of our most recent strike in ’07, he fought for all of our rights. But to suggest that every confrontation requires a fight is, I believe, incorrect. Larry believes a Guild’s purpose is to strike, and he’s good at it. We’ve needed field generals like Larry and Patric Verrone and George Kirgo -- and we’ve needed diplomats like Dan Petrie, John Furia and Del Reisman, who believed in engagement and hard-nosed negotiation. I like to think of myself as bringing a bit of both. We went to war overfought for residuals and beat back rollbacks in 1988 and new media jurisdiction in 2007. Without striking, We pursued ttough, pragmatic negotiations in 2001 and in 2004 to secured Internet rentals and saved our health fund. Both tactics work. It’s about deciding which tactic is right for that particular time.But in the end, no matter how long or strong you strike, every fight must end with a deal.
Larry’s statement gave me a reason to fight, but in the spirit of diplomacy, I’ll end with an olive branch. Larry Gelbart is a great writer, and regardless of the mistakes he’s made in the past, I know he loves his Guild. If you choose to return me to office, I can assure you I will fight hard for all of our mutual interests—yours, mine, and yes, even Larry’s.
I know that Larry respects Patric Verrone, as do I, so I’ll borrow a phrase that Patric used so often and effectively during the strike.
We’re all in this together, Larry.
If you chose to return me to office I can assure you I will fight hard for our mutual interests. And if I don’t win, I can also assure you that I won’t be suing my own Guild or filing election charges with the DOL that cost you hundreds of thousands of dollars to defend. I’m proud to be a part of a Guild that counts Larry Gelbart as a member, but this non-candidate statement was beneath him.
Larry’s statement deeply saddens me. He is one of my writing idols. And while I’m pleased he thinks I’m a “nice guy,” and I hope he thinks I’m the “very smart” one of the “Two Johns,” the tone, innuendo, half-truths and outright falsehoods that riddle his remarks epitomize what I feel has gone terribly wrong with the level of debate in the Guild since Writers United took control.


I’m a writer with multiple produced credits and was on the fence about who to vote for as guild President.
Until now. John Wells, you just reminded me of what it’s like to have adults in charge. You’ve got my vote.
I’ll be the one to say it… did someone copy/paste a document that had some edits done to it? This reads like someone had Track Changes on and made an error before sending (or posting, Nikki?).
If this is John’s actual writing, does he have any business running for WGA office?
Also, I gotta say it, when you use a red/pink background Nikki, it’s usually when you’re taking sides, like for the AMPTP… so, for the bad guys.
Yipes. Typos much? I don’t know if Wells is a “solo act” or not, but he definitely didn’t run this rebuttal past anyone else. Hard to respect a writer who doesn’t take the time to proof his own work. But I guess he really is more of a producer than a writer. Still voting for Davis, albeit reluctantly.
Larry, I think you’ve been served!
Well argued if not well spell-checked. Wells is going to get my vote. The strike first, think later crowd running WGAW has been a mixed bag at best. We strike, march and self-congratulate but all that really happens is we force the networks to learn how to make lots of money without us. It is time for adult supervision at the WGA. Gelbart is a great writer (except for United States which, sorry Larry, was awful) but reflects a knee-jerk philosophy which is destructive for the Guild. I’m now for Wells.
Is it me or did John Wells’s letter need a proofreader. One or two mistypes I could understand when you are impassioned and making a plea to writer peers. When it goes beyond that quota and there are also bad grammar errors, it becomes very distracting. While his argument is persuasive, one wonders if he did not see fit to correct his errors, what other oversights might be committed by him?
“But the defense of this Larry’s his fruitless charge lawsuit cost our Guild well over two hundred thousand dollars”
or…
“– and that we didn’t getdouble what we got on internet downloads to won withafter three months of very effective striking in ’07″
Either Wells is speaking in tongues or somehow the words and punctuation have been lost in the translation.
Maybe someone can take a look at the posted text and fix it?
Someone could use a proof-reader.
someone needs a proof reader
Forgive them white father, they know not what they’ve done.
Wells mentions: “Guild giants like Frank Pierson and David Rintels, Ed North, John Furia and Mel Shavelson…and the next generation of Shawn Ryans, Greg Daniels and Matthew Weiners… Where would we have been…without writer-directors like Phil Robinson and or Tom Schulman? Without Ed Solomon and or Marc Norman supporting us wholeheartedly?. Marc Cherry or Neal Baer, David Goodman or John Bowman?
Wells can’t be bothered to mention a single women. (Or I believe a single minority writer but I’ll let them complain about that.) My guild constantly degrades and dismisses women. We are half the population, but only 25 percent of the workforce and often at the lowest paying levels. It sickens me that someone like John Wells could write that paragraph without mentioning, oh let’s just say, Carol Barbee or Shonda Rhimes.
And if you think Gelbart’s gang is better, here’s his endorsement: “vote for Elias Davis, Tom Schulman, David Weiss, Dan Wilcox, Patric Verrone and Howard Rodman.” No women or minorities in that clique either.
Women and minorities are second-class citizens in the WGA.
Whoa, some copy-editing, puh-leese!
A writer?!!?!? Good God, I gave up trying to decipher his grammar and spelling half-way through the article. Doesn’t this guy make enough to buy something with a spell-checker?
Is this statement really as poorly written as it appears, or is it just riddled with transcription errors? If the former, it wouldn’t earn a passing grade as a high school essay assignment. This from a candidate for office with the *writers* guild???
wtf?! i have a hard time believing this one unless john was completely apoplectic when he hit “send”, passing along every draft of his rebuttal that didn’t make it through spell-check. he’s a better writer than this, and larry, well, larry should be writing “the sunshine boys II”.
Wow, Craig Mazin screwed something up? The man who has singlehandedly destroyed the spoof genre? What are the odds?
I’m well aware that his gross ineptitude at comedy has nothing whatsoever to do with his WGA service or his botched release of someone else’s (poorly written) letter, but felt it needed to be said just ’cause he sucks so – very – much.
Another load of self-serving and self-justifying crap from John Wells.
He never pursued increased dvd residuals, which the membership demanded and the studios had promised but never delivered, which is WHY our dvd formula still sucks, and why our new media formula (which is based on the dvd formula) sucks and will always suck.
John Wells is management, which is why Larry Gelbart brought the suit that he could not serve on the board while he was a showrunner. It was not without merit. The conservative courts may indeed have decided otherwise, but it is certainly and issue we should think about before deciding who is on our board next time.
And John did “cut the legs” out from under the Guild during the last strike when he, and other management/showrunners, held their own, separate meeting, the outcome of which was they they threatened the Guild that if the strike wasn’t settled quickly, they would go back to work anyway.
I don’t even know if Elias Davis would be a good President, but it’s hard to imagine that he could be worse for us.
Gelbart was right to challenge Wells’s ability to run the union. Wells is management, pure and simple, and thus should be ineligible to head a union.
I bet Les Moonves is still a member of SAG. Could he run for and be elected president of SAG while also running CBS? Under Wells’s argument, sure, why not.
Let me refer the entire world to two articles that should tell everyone all they need to know about John Wells. They are must-reads:
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/06/26/arts/west-wing-producer-a-union-leader-rules-out-writers-raises.html?scp=4&sq=weinraub%20%22west%20wing%22%20writers&st=cse
http://www.nytimes.com/1992/06/03/news/director-says-studio-stole-details-in-book-for-use-in-tv-series.html?n=Top/Reference/Times%20Topics/Subjects/W/Writing%20and%20Writers
That pretty much says it all.
So now we see the truth: John Wells is just a figurehead so that Craig Mazin can be the new President of the WGA, because Mazin and Wells both know that Mazin would never have a chance if he ran himself since so many members despise him.
So that’s the choice we’ll be making soon: Elias Davis or Craig Mazin. For if John Wells can’t even write his own first-person defense, that tells us he is going to be hands-off to the point of puppetry if elected.
Wow, Wells pwned Gelbart. Yeah, he maybe should have mentioned that he’d sued Wells. Jesus.
Before Wells/Mazin start get on their high horse about Gelbart costing writers a few hundred thousand dollars, what about the hundreds of thousands of dollars that Wells cost HIS OWN writers by ripping them off on their West Wing deals?
That travesty should be front and center in this election. The guy is management and ANTI-WRITER and has proved it. It’s a fact. He’s a disgrace and we should all cast our votes against him.
John Wells says:
“if Larry had taken the time to contact any of the writers involved, he would have discovered that when the meager profits for the show did start to trickle in, I took all of mine and distributed them to the members of the company – including the writers.”
I encourage everyone to try and speak to the actual writers who worked with John on the West Wing during this time. I think you’ll hear an echo of Larry Gelbart’s statements and not the version John related above.
So, is Wells truly this illiterate or did some (now-fired) assistant jump the gun and submit version #1 before the red-pencil brigade grabbed it? If this is all it takes, gee, I want to be a big ol’showrunner, too!
You’re kidding me. Mazin wrote this? I should have known from the untalented overpaid tone of it. What a buffoon. Congratulations for just costing your side the election, Craig! LOL.
Gelbart is completely right. This is like when Ted Kennedy came out for Obama, which was the death blow for the Hillary campaign. Couple that with Wells’ childish reply and that pretty much seals the deal.
Here’s the part that bugs me, and it concerns that “Dear Jim” letter that Larry Gelbart rightly pounds Wells for:
“Larry brings up what he refers to as my “Dear Jim” letter, suggesting that my letter to a friend that was later widely distributed on the Internetit somehow prevented us from getting a better deal from the Companies. This is yet another ridiculous statement that is not based on the factsand false allegation. Patric Verrone argued just a few weeks later that the WGA deal based on the DGA template was excellent. So which is it? Was our deal bad…or good?
He also suggested claimed that mythe email encouraged members to accept the DGA deal and “go back to work,”, further suggesting “That note, with the force of an IED, cut the legs off our negotiators.” My letter said no such thing and did no such thing. In case you didn’t read it, here is what it said after explaining the specifics of what the DGA had negotiated: –
***“While the DGA deserves our thanks and appreciation for negotiating a terrific deal that will serve as a template for all three creative Guilds, none of this would have been possible without the blood, sweat and sacrifice of WGA members during this very effective strike. The Companies made a deal they didn’t want to make because of our resolve. They clearly understood how important these issues were for our members and stepped up to resolve them.
Our Negotiating Committee has numerous issues that are specific to writers that must still be resolved with the AMPTP: the term of our next contract, pension and health issues, separated rights on new media, and jurisdiction for material written for derivatives that will not be filmed (show blogs, web-only stories, etc). But this is a historic deal. We’ve won. The strike was necessary to win it and I can only assume our Negotiating Committee will be sitting down with the AMPTP by early next week to resolve these last, final issues. It’s a very good day for all of us.”***
That’s it. Cut the legs off of our negotiators? Encouraged members to accept the DGA deal and go back to work? Really? I beg to differ. But you don’t have to take my word for it. If you’ve never read it, it’s still hanging around the Internet somewhere., dig Dig it up and read it for yourself.”
First of all, yes, the above verbiage did, indeed, cut the legs off of our negotiators and encouraged WGA members to simply accept the DGA deal and go back to work. How, exactly, were the WGA’s negotiators supposed to sit down with the AMPTP and ask for, say, a shorter residuals-free window on ad-supported streaming than the ridiculous 24 day blowhole that the DGA had just settled for when the WGA’s own former president had just publicly declared the DGA’s new media terms to be “historic” and a “win,” and that the handful of unresolved WGA-specific issues (such as separated rights and the end date of the WGA contract) amounted to the “last, final issues” for the WGA’s negotiators to address? How exactly would that look: the WGA’s negotiators asking for terms better than the ones that the WGA’s former president had just publicly declared to be a “historic” “win”?! To ask the question is to answer it: Wells cut off the legs of the WGA’s negotiators. After the WGA’s former president had ball-washed the DGA’s deal for the benefit of “Jim,” there no longer existed a legitimate opportunity for the WGA negotiators to improve upon it.
And if you don’t already believe it, take Wells’s advice and dig that “Dear Jim” letter up ( http://artfulwriter.com/?p=318 ). Read it again and note that, at that very key moment for the WGA’s negotiators–their one and only opportunity to attempt to improve on the new media terms reached by the DGA–John Wells was publicly declaring the DGA’s new media terms to be “good. Very good.” and “a huge, historic victory for everyone” and “Another big win for all of us” and “extraordinary” and “Unbelievable” and (yet again) “another big win for all of us” and “a cause for celebration.” God only knows how John Wells can possibly expect us to believe that the above did *not* amount to a call for the WGA to simply take the DGA’s deal, as-is.
And all of the above, of course, puts aside the fact that John Wells still persists in innocently describing his “Dear Jim” email as “my letter to a friend that was later widely distributed on the Internet”, as opposed to what it very plainly was: a release written to be widely disseminated amongst the WGA membership, in order to promote the terms of a DGA deal which Wells, himself, had just assisted in negotiating. None of this, of course, was mentioned in Wells’s “letter to a friend that was later widely distributed on the Internet,” despite the fact that it’s undeniably key information that most reasonable people would consider to be of note when weighing Wells’s opinion of the DGA deal which the AMPTP was in the process of cramming down the WGA’s throat. That still bugs me greatly, to this very day.
Patrick Meighan
Culver City, CA
If it were that simple, why didn’t Larry do it as a member of the Negotiating Committee in ’85 that stuck us with the crappy DVD formula in the first place?
DVD’s didn’t exist in ‘85.
re: John Wells.
Me thinks he doth protesteth too much.
If these guys can’t even handle sending Nikki a statement without f’ing it up, think about what they’d do to the Guild!
I guess that’s what happens when you let the writer of Scary Movie 19 write your statements. Hilarious.
So now we see the truth: John Wells is just a figurehead so that Craig Mazin can be the new President of the WGA, because Mazin and Wells both know that Mazin would never have a chance if he ran himself since so many members despise him.
This amused me.
With Obama now running the Department of Labor and the NLRB, maybe it’s time for Gelbart to try again. It’s a farce to let Mr. Management run the union.
Fair Play @6:25,
Gelbart didn’t sue Wells, he filed a complaint with the feds. Are you dumb or just illiterate?
Ha ha, I just pwned YOU, sucka!
So you think Wells should have fired a couple of his writers to ensure the rest got their raises?
Collegial thinking. Very collegial, union brothers.
To me it sounds like a guy making a decision to benefit a greater number of writers.
Which sounds…
Don’t think he’d assert the “West Wing” writers would back him up unless he was certain they would, so I believe his explanation.
And it’s very suspect that Gelbart didn’t mention the lawsuit. Is his a considered opinion or a personal vendetta? Gelbart’s missive did read more like an attempt to convince members to vote against Wells rather than for Davis.
But is it a good idea that one writer hold this position twice?
No one with such an obvious conflict of interest should be running a professional guild, union, or whatever.
Davis = another strike. It’s that simple. If that’s what you want, vote that way.
Larry Gelbart is one of the finest writers we’ve ever had. And whenever he speaks at meetings, I listen. It’s a pleasure just to watch his mind work. But Larry Gelbart looks at the world through an ideological prism, and ideology is not what we need in the current environment facing writers.
More than that, the choice right now is NOT between Larry Gelbart and John Wells, it’s between Elias Davis and John Wells. Wells is brilliant, savvy, experienced, and incredibly knowledgeable. Elias is Fredo. Do we really want Fredo running things?
So it’s revealed: Craig Mazin is the real power here and John Wells is just lending his name, right? Why else is Mazin handling Wells’ first-person statement?
What kind of guy is Craig Mazin? The kind of egomaniac who, while giving us such cultural detritus as Scary Movie 3 and the Superhero Movie, calls his blog “The Artful Writer.” That’s even more preposterous than if he’d called it “A Thin Guy’s Blog.”
Now that we see that Craig Mazin has posted here under his own name, it’s become pretty clear that he’s also posting under pseudonyms such as Fair Play.
That’s why he’s adopted the scare tactics of Elias=Strike. That’s like if I said Wells=AMPTP or Wells=Rollbacks or Wells=FiringDavidYoung.
Okay, so my examples are true, but you get the point.
No one with such an obvious conflict of interest should be running a professional guild, union, or whatever.
Comment by Josh — August 13, 2009 @ 7:46 pm
That sounds good, except then the only people eligible to run for office would be screenwriters. That includes Larry Gelbart when he was running M*A*S*H. Sorry, but too much money is contributed by TV writers to disenfranchise them like that. And, in terms of effectiveness, it would be insane to deprive our members of people who have so much leverage with the companies. Remember, what really made the strike effective was the showrunners’ shutting down TV. And now you’re saying those same people can’t run for Guild office? Doesn’t seem right.
So now John Wells is on record saying the West Wing — a show that was NBC’s flagship and ran for seven years — made only a “meager profit.” Wow, John Wells really IS management.
It is insulting of John Wells/Craig Mazin to end his letter with “We’re all in this together” when he screwed the writers of his own show and apparently plagiarized another.
Seriously – I’ll read all this back and forth because it’s interesting, it’s why I read gossip sites, etc.
But I’d remind all the WGA-er’s on here – when it comes to the actual election, you’ve got to just put all this in-fighting and back-biting aside and make a cold assessment as to what makes more sense for YOUR FUCKING CAREERS.
Sorry. This is already getting silly before, obviously, it gets worse.
And yeah, I’m voting John Wells. I knew that the second he announced he was running. And not a damn thing will change my mind as it’s not about whatever the hell people think he’s done or actually has done, it’s what he’s going to do.
I don’t know who Elias Davis is. Never heard of him nor even saw a photo of him. But I do know he didn’t sell out the WGA during the strike. I do know he didn’t deny his writing staff their contractually guaranteed bumps. And I do know that he didn’t plagiarize Barry Levinson.
“Larry Gelbart is one of the finest writers we’ve ever had. And whenever he speaks at meetings, I listen. It’s a pleasure just to watch his mind work. But Larry Gelbart looks at the world through an ideological prism, and ideology is not what we need in the current environment facing writers.
More than that, the choice right now is NOT between Larry Gelbart and John Wells, it’s between Elias Davis and John Wells. Wells is brilliant, savvy, experienced, and incredibly knowledgeable. Elias is Fredo. Do we really want Fredo running things?
Comment by Saddened Guild Member — August 13, 2009 @ 7:59 pm”
Thank you. This is the actual question we have to ask ourselves. Wells has my vote hands down.
Let’s look at the equation “Fair Play” didn’t cite. Wells = not even the threat of a strike = rollbacks = bend over yet again.
re: Craig Mazin @ 7:05 pm
Hey Craig, I’ve seen your movies, so I already knew that terribly unfunny things amuse you.
Both tickets have no women or minorities. LET’S GO STRIKE FOR THE WHITE MEN!!! Look what good it got us. The blatant sexism & racism by this guild is disgusting. Both tickets are horrendous and outdated. Why doesn’t someone run who is not back in 1962?
Your future retirement you want the future “Shawn Ryans to support you.” You should have said Ann Donohues and Carol Mendalsons or Shonda Rhimes because they have multiple shows on the air. But oh, they’re not men so their money must be fake because knowing this guild Shawn Ryan made more than all the women with network shows did put together.
<>
He’s talking about the home video number, which was moved over to DVD’s when tapes became obsolete. Smartass.
The best percentage we have is on streaming, which Wells negotiated.
Fair Play has it right. If you want a strike, vote for Davis. If you want to continue trying to recoup everything you lost in the last strike, vote for Wells.
When Veronne ran for president, the choice was obvious. Veronne was smart and completely prepared for the battle ahead. I doubt the Writers United were or are itching for a strike. As Veronne said during that election, without the real possibility of a strike, the studios have no reason to make concessions.
During the last strike, the main battle was clearly fought on the picket line and the and battleground was our will and staying power. That shows there is nothing more important that our willingness to strike.
If we’re heading into a big negotiation, where lasting issues will be decided, then I want a smart, effective, prepared general in charge. But if the upcoming points of negotiation are less significant, I still want teeth in our arsenal. The studios play rough and weakness now will only lead to a larger confrontation later.
It’s with interest and alarm I read such stuff. The WGA crashed and burned. They didn’t get a good deal, and the new media portions of it are a disaster. Period.
Same with the SAG agreement, although there you had the eternally weak “moderate” faction of the union tipping the balance away from a tough stance and towards appeasement and compliance.
I don’t know what it is going to take to get people in both unions to understand threat of strike or strike until you win real concessions are the only weapons either union has.
No threats to the health of the union and its members? No SAV or strike (SAG hasn’t struck TV/Theatrical since 1980). But,this contract was clearly different with it’s new media terms as content shifts to that space, and both unions collapsed due to internal rifts that stripped a sense of solidarity and common purpose.
The bottom line is: did you get a fair deal, let alone a good deal, for your members? The answer in both cases is “no.”
I don’t care about the Gelbart-Wells finger pointing. all I know is that each and everyday I walked on the picket line was for virtually nothing because guys like Wells, Mazin, et al threatened to cross the line and go back to work if they didn’t get their way. They sold out our guide to satisfy their own personal agenda and they seem damn proud of it too.
One additional thing about that “Dear Jim” email…
It’s worth noting that Wells’s innocent, passive-voice description of it today (“my letter to a friend that was later widely distributed on the Internet”) is directly contradicted by John Wells’s own candidate statement, where-in he finally acknowledges (at long last, 18 months after the fact) that his “letter to a friend” was, of course, a camouflaged press release which Wells had issued in order to fulfill a secret commitment to the DGA.
To quote the man, himself (from wgk4wga.com):
“It is not unusual during a strike for many emissaries to be sent out to all sorts of parties to work back channels. I don’t believe for a moment that I was the only person being asked to do so, nor was it the first time I had been asked to do so during the 2007 negotiations. What was unusual was my eventual public support for the DGA deal. I did so because I had given my word that I would publicly support it if certain percentages in the deal were reached by the DGA. Not only were they reached, but they exceeded what many of us had thought could be likely accomplished. I’d given my word that I would support it publicly, so I did.”
This is a HUGE ACKNOWLEDGEMENT. Let’s reiterate what Wells admits in this statement (but tap-dances away from today): that under the false pretense of an informal email to a “friend Jim” in which John Wells supposedly offered his own independent, disinterested assessment of the DGA deal, John Wells was *actually* fulfilling a secret commitment (to the DGA) to publicly promote (to the WGA membership) a DGA contract that John Wells had just negotiated, for the purpose of encouraging the WGA membership to be content with the terms of said contract, rather than to seek to improve upon them in the WGA’s own negotiation.
All of the above has now been acknowledged by Wells to be factual, and all of the above amounts to a tremendous breach of faith between John Wells and the WGA membership.
John Wells should have told us about the vested interest that he had in promoting the DGA deal, and the fact that the opinions John Wells was voicing just happened to be opinions that John Wells was personally obligated to voice (rather than being an independent, disinterested assessment). John Wells should have told us–the WGA membership–the truth. Instead, what John Wells did was withhold very key and crucial information–which he knew full well to be of vital import–at a very key and crucial time. I was taught, from the age of 5, that withholding the truth is the same as lying. John Wells lied to us.
Patrick Meighan
Culver City, CA
Wells has more in common with the companies than with his fellow writers. I don’t trust the guy for one second. I can never forgive him for the timing of his infamous Dear Jim letter. If he didn’t think it would affect the outcome of the negotiations, why did he write it at all? For fun? I don’t believe for one second that Wells didn’t know it would be disseminated. It was written like a political tract, for chrissakes, with bullet points! And all for his buddy Jim? Come on, we’re not that dumb. He wrote it precisely BECAUSE he thought it would influence the negotiations. Wells treats the world like we’re all a show he’s running and he’s the grand poohbah making all the decisions. Nobody elected him as our spokesman during the strike. And I pray that the Guild doesn’t elect this management tool again.
Bottom line — John Wells is in tight with the corporations, especially Time Warner. It is in his own best economic interest never to strike and he will do everything in his power as President not to. His buddies at the companies know that — both from their personal conversations with him and from what he did last time as president. Do not vote for Wells or his ticket. I’m sure as hell not going to.
I was behind the strike and I walked my ass off for my guild – But it was a disaster.
And things have gotten worse for most writers top to bottom. The new media reporting parameters are a joke. We’ll never see a dime from what we “won.”
I’d like some enforcement on the free work issues and less wasted money on trying to organize reality (a noble idea – sure, but the tactics by the guild were ill planned and bungled).
And we need to engage the dga to better effect.
Last time I voted Verrone.
Now I’m voting Wells.
I heard a story once. I would like to know if it’s true.
Did John Wells plagiarize Homicide or something?
The very obvious omission and dismissal of women is disgusting. It validates why women feel a collective rage in this business. We may take home nice paychecks but we are not equal.
Writers United felt like “rock stars” in front of the crowds in the last strike. They’d love to get back up there.
John Wells only lies every time he talks.
John Wells is a writer like Dick Wolf is a writer… or like reality tv is reality.
What a disgrace for Wells to slam Gelbart over 200 grand when Wells cost writers MILLIONS by caving to AMPTP over the years.
I never want to strike again but is the answer to vote for management’s man?
Vote for Elias Davis if you thought the strike was fun and it gave you an identity.
Vote for Wells if you’re actually a working writer.
Wells’ West Wing excuse is a bunch of utter nonsense. They cut the budget and so he didn’t want to fire anyone. Ha! Shows get their budgets cut all the time. But this is the only time anyone ever heard of where writers were essentially fired then re-hired in order to deny them their promised salary bumps. And who did this to writers? THE HEAD OF THE WGA!
all I know is that each and everyday I walked on the picket line was for virtually nothing because guys like Wells, Mazin, et al threatened to cross the line and go back to work if they didn’t get their way.
I’ll speak for myself. That’s absolutely false. I never threatened to cross the line and go back to work. And no one has *ever* suggested such a thing about Wells (before you). Never. WTF?
What makes this lie even more disgusting is that I expended a lot of energy during the end of the strike arguing with people who DID want to threaten to go back to work…and I convinced them NOT to do that.
I suppose one can wonder who has an interest in telling these lies, and who has an interest in spreading them…but for now, I just wanted to set the record straight.
Now that we see that Craig Mazin has posted here under his own name, it’s become pretty clear that he’s also posting under pseudonyms such as Fair Play.
Again, for the record, that’s not true.
It’s not really logical either, but that’s less important, I suppose.
There are two important things to remember about Wells’ boy Mazin. He sat out the strike by directing Superhero Movie, which came out so badly that the studio signed an interim deal so they could bring in other writers to fix it while the rest of us were on the line.
In his downtime, rather than come out and walk with his fellow writers, he wrote a constant barrage of attacks on the Guild, and the strike, as well as posting damaging and often incorrect information that always made the Guild and the strike look bad.
Mazin has no idea what it is to be a freelance screenwriter, as he’s been a studio lackey from the beginning. Where his bread is buttered is no secret.
Wells = Chernin
WGA better get their house in order and hire some real Collective Bargaining hardasses or they’ll be played again. Too many Showrunner/Management types on NegComs bidding for themselves over the rank and file. They always seem to fold to protect their own self interests. It is a self defeating measure.
AMPTP knows this all too well.
Sounds harsh I know, but this is exactly what Guys like Chernin depend on to strategize and defeat the Guilds during negotiations. He has said as much in the LA Times. And they do it just about every time.
Wells is just an all too obvious Corporate Plant.
The above posters are right. The WGA is a clubby, biased borderline racist union. They fight the studios on everything except their vile and pernicious attitude against minority and women writers.
The business as a whole is floundering and it’s because the talent pool has become shallow to the point of ridiculousness. For every Shawn Ryan there are five guys who have no business even being called writer yet alone running shows.
And they fail time and time again and drive the nets to reality and game shows. But rather than open the doors and level the field, the nets, studios, the guilds and the agencies are all in denial about white male writer talent.
Neither of these candidates is worthy to lead. Neither Davis nor Wells will stop the bias and nepotism that permeates our business. This is much like Obama/McCain, a choice between out-dated thinking and false hope.
You Wells supporters will never get it!! We don’t get the companies respect by rolling over and showing them our belly, we get it by shutting this town down! Writers United finally gave this guild it’s balls back! Now is not the time to sit back and play nice. The copanies think we’re too worn out to strike again. We have to show them that 2007 was just the beginning! 100 days is child’s play! The next strike has to bleed them dry!
Think Wells has the nerve to do that? I’m voting for Elias Davis!
I feel like I’ve stumbled into a birthers meeting.
I confess I had some of the same misgivings I’m reading here, back when we voted on the 2001 contract. “Wells is a management shill,” “Wells is more concerned with his own interests than ours.” But looking back at my thinking then, I feel like a fool. John Wells has done more good things for this Guild than just about anyone I know. The 2001 deal made FOX a full-fledged network in terms of pay scale and residuals. We also got the full home video rate on internet rental downloads. He helped clean up the membership voting requirements so the Guild is for working or career writers and we don’t look like SAG. And he made inroads with the CEO’s so that feature writers are no longer treated like total garbage.
Another thing I came to learn: Wells is a legitimate writer. Just because he also produces doesn’t make him a non-writer, anymore than David Kelley is a non-writer.
I really implore my fellow guild members to set aside their rage and think honestly about what’s best for the community of writers and their families. Really, the choice between John Wells and Elias Davis, if you look at it with any kind of dispassion, is an easy one. The DGA bailed us out last time, but we were lucky, because our interests happened to coincide. Next time we may not be so fortunate, and writers will continue to fall further and further behind in the industry.
Why are all these Wells fans crowing about the internet rental rate he got? Are you all rich from the people who watch a movie on their computer via Netflix.com?
Mazin’s not the only one amused by stuff posted here; this amused me:
“We have to show them that 2007 was just the beginning! 100 days is child’s play! The next strike has to bleed them dry! Think Wells has the nerve to do that? I’m voting for Elias Davis!”
Clearly this was a Wells supporter using scare tactics to supposedly show us the mentality of a Davis supporter.
Wells is despised by most of the Guild because of his AMPTP-closeness and because of what he did to his West Wing writers, but I bet he’ll win anyway because the strike was despised even more.
As for people accusing Craig Mazin of posting under an assumed name, that doesn’t strike me as Mazin’s style. Say what you will about the guy’s personality or his talent, he certainly doesn’t seem to be the kind of guy who hides behind the cloak of anonymity like I do.
Hey there Mazin,
Since you’ve been reading these comments, I’m curious: Did Wells get mad at you for bungling the distribution of his letter to Nikki, or did he shrug it off. I’m guessing he didn’t get mad, and that tells us what kind of level-headed guy he is. (Read: NOT a hothead like some other in this union.)
Read Whatdowewant?’s comment.
That’s what you get with Davis. If that’s your attitude, he’s your man.
It’s a fantasy, an appealing one, but a fantasy nonetheless.
Smart is tough. Wells is smart about this stuff. The stakes are too high right now
Look at results. Not who is right or wrong, not what should be the truth, but what is the truth. Where are you right now? Where is the business? Have things gotten better or worse for writers? Not theoretically, in reality. In terms of tv jobs. In terms of your experience when you pitch against 10 other people for 3 months for one of the very few jobs out there.
We may hate the companies and think they are bastards. They are. But we need their money, and they need our work.
So let’s get on with it.
We are shareholders in this business. We need this business to succeed. I want to have a viable place to continue producing my work. For you young guys and women who are just breaking in, I want you to have the same opportunity I did. I want you to have the chance to work.
Wells has by far the best chance to make a good deal with the least bloodshed. Period.
Writergal:
John punched me in my face, and the cops came.
Where do some of things come from?
There are two important things to remember about Wells’ boy Mazin. He sat out the strike by directing Superhero Movie, which came out so badly that the studio signed an interim deal so they could bring in other writers to fix it while the rest of us were on the line.
So, for those of you keeping score…
Wrong: I missed the first two weeks of the strike. And during those two weeks, I went to the Guild on the weekend to help make pickets. Picketed during the rest of the strike…
Right: The movie didn’t come out as I wished…
Wrong: The studio never hired other writers to fix it. Maybe they should have.
In his downtime, rather than come out and walk with his fellow writers, he wrote a constant barrage of attacks on the Guild, and the strike, as well as posting damaging and often incorrect information that always made the Guild and the strike look bad.
Wrong. I was critical of leadership in part, and supportive of leadership in part. “Dissent is patriotic” is more than a bumpersticker to me. My site has all of the posts. I stand by them.
Mazin has no idea what it is to be a freelance screenwriter, as he’s been a studio lackey from the beginning. Where his bread is buttered is no secret.
Wrong: I’ve been working as a screenwriter for 13 years. I spent two of those years (back in the early 2000’s) on an overall. So other than the 11 years, including right now, that I’ve been a freelance screenwriter…
What a bunch of wharrgarbbl that was. Again, I have to wonder…who comes up with this stuff?
Can you guys at least get rid of one of the guy’s on wells’ ticket and make it a woman. I mean, women are good secretaries. You guys watch “mad men” right? Back then they let us type for the boys.
I was going to vote for Wells but have now changed my mind. If Wells can’t even be bothered to write his own “first-person” response to Gelbart, then how hands-on is he going to be as our president? And if he did write it but had to have Mazin handle the e-mailing part, then it sounds like he is clueless about the interent which is where our future lies.
So let’s see… Craig Mazin writes what was nominally John Wells’ reply to Larry Gelbart, then Craig Mazin comes onto this comment board to defend it. Where is John Wells in all this? Bermuda?
John Wells gave me my first Hollywood writing job, and I support him for President. I’ve seen how he runs shows, I’ve seen how he supports writers, and I’d be happy to have him run the guild.
I think John is confident in telling people to contact writers who work for him because he treats people fairly and well, and really does care about being of service to his fellow members.
I am weary of all the people who say he cannot represent writers because he is “management.” Here’s a shocker, all above the line artists in film, actors, writers and directors, are essentially management. We are independent contractors, entrepreneurs, we’re not assembly line workers and we have to stop punishing the most successful among us as being “management.” John is not a mega-conglomerate, but he knows how to face their reps across a negotiating table and get their respect.
Finally, if you are a writer and good at story and character motivation ask yourself this: “Why is John Wells running for President?” The paranoid among you will say because he is a shill for corporate interests. And what exactly is he supposed to get for taking on an unpaid job that takes hundreds of hours and causes him to have to endure character slander and abuse? What will he be given as his big juicy reward? A show on the air? Oh wait, he’s got that, and has had for decades. Does he want to run for President so he can say he was the President? Oh wait, he can already say that.
Isn’t it just possible that he’s running for President because he actually cares about his fellow writers? John Wells was a mentor to me, and I am grateful. I don’t know a writer who has worked for him who didn’t like working for him. Good luck finding a coalition of writers who have worked for him who don’t like and respect him.
You’re going to have to open your mind to the fact that a smart, good guy who cares about writers is stupidly willing to take on the burden of fighting for us, for which he will get nothing but the grateful thanks of people like me who support his candidacy.
Oh yeah and P.S. I’m a woman, if you couldn’t tell by my name. John supports women writers, and the staff I was on had almost equal numbers of women and men, plus some ethnic minorities. So, ya know…I don’t care that he didn’t happen to mention women in his statement, in real life, he gives them good jobs, and that’s all I really want.
I would not, could not, will not vote for John Wells.
On our feet; not on our knees.
I thought the strike was great. It was awesome standing up to the studios for a change. And hell, only about ten percent of the WGA actually makes a living writing anyway so we might as well strike.
No way I vote for Wells. It’s Elias all the way.
Bring it on, studios. Bring it bleeping on.
All the candidates are avoiding the elephant in the room:
The terms we ended up with in the 2008 MBA.
Both the New Media Re-use terms and the New Media jurisdiction terms we ended up with are terrible — worse than what we were told they were, are worse than the terms either the DGA or SAG got.
But explaining why requires a membership that has some degree of intellectual curiosity about their own contract, as well as the ability to consider facts that contradict their own beliefs.
That does not describe very many Guild members.
“Organize organize organize” and “We’re kicking corporate ass!” are pretty much as complex as Guild politics can get.
“FOUR LEGS GOOD, TWO LEGS BAD, was inscribed on the end wall of the barn, above the Seven Commandments and in bigger letters. When they had once got it by heart the sheep developed a great liking for this maxim, and often as they lay in the field they would all start bleating ‘Four legs good, two legs bad! Four legs good, two legs bad!’ and keep it up for hours on end, never growing tired of it.” – George Orwell, ANIMAL FARM
Why is the WGA such a sexist organization? Why aren’t women running for anything but board members? John Wells is a really rich white guy. Can he even begin to understand what a rank and file writer goes through to merely exist? He is the head of the Humanitas Awards which are awards that go year after year to men. There are like three or four women on the committee. And they are mostly in Childrens TV. Don’t get me started.
I don’t want another strike. I want a Guild that represents me and my fellow writers. I don’t see in either of these candidates and their slates people or color or women. It is pretty pathetic. I think both choices are dangerous. Wells is a pretty cold guy at heart. How does he even have time for this? Why does he even want to run? I appreciate Rank and file, for real and his/her comments.
Can you guys at least get rid of one of the guy’s on wells’ ticket and make it a woman. I mean, women are good secretaries. You guys watch “mad men” right? Back then they let us type for the boys.
That’s a fair criticism, but from what I understand, it wasn’t for a lack of trying. I personally begged a number of women to run. None of the women I asked wished to go through the process–at least, not at this time. None of the men either. Or the African-Americans, or any of the gay writers I asked…
Reading through this thread, it’s easy to understand why. Guild politics has become, unfortunately, something of a blood sport. That’s a shame.
If Wells can’t even be bothered to write his own “first-person” response to Gelbart, then how hands-on is he going to be as our president?
Of course Wells wrote his statement. I think I was barely a member when all of this stuff went down between Larry and the Guild.
If any of you would like to hear more on the substance of the issues, check out http://wgk4wga.com and watch a few of the videos. Or read the candidate statements. Elias’ site is http://vote4etd.blogspot.com/
I consider Elias and Tom and David friends, and I consider John and Howard and Chris friends. Hopefully we can return some sense of civility to the debates. They’re important ones.
Take a look at the comments by “Screw Wells” and “What Do We Want? When Do We Want It?” which are no doubt from the same person within the Wells camp.
This is the kind of childish leadership that Wells is offering, posting fake comments here that are supposed to terrify the membership and demonize his opponent.
I know plenty of writers who supported the strike but hated it and never want to strike again. Even unemployed writers got pretty sick pretty fast of walking around in circles.
So the thought that there’s some huge contingent of WGA members who just can’t wait to strike again is false, and writers know this. Yet the Wells people keep posting these fake gung-ho messages saying “I can’t wait to strike for ten months that’s why I’m voting for Elias,” thinking that their fellow Guild members are stupid and will fall for it.
So if you want a union leader who thinks his members are imbeciles, then vote for Wells and reward his sophomoric comment campaign.
Ted,
This is a sincere request to please briefly explain how the WGA got worse New Media terms than DGA or SAG. I was under the apparently mistaken impression that the WGA was able to slightly improve upon the DGA new media terms, terms which I thought Wells endorsed.
Thanks.
All I have to do is see Craig Mazin’s name and I have lost all respect for John Wells. Go Elias, on to victory!
Craig Mazin wrote: “I personally begged a number of women to run. None of the women I asked wished to go through the process–at least, not at this time. None of the men either. Or the African-Americans, or any of the gay writers I asked…”
So the question, once again is, who is the real candidate for president here, Wells or Mazin. I don’t see Wells posting here, I only see Mazin, speaking for Wells, and, as it’s becoming increasingly clear, speaking for himself as the real candidate here.
It’s time for some transparency. Why is Wells remaining silent and letting Mazin do all the speaking for him when Mazin’s not even on the ticket (even though Mazin admits to begging women, gays and others to join said ticket).
What’s going on here?
I have to say, I am amazed by how many people who were not in the room at the time that a lot of these things took place (the West Wing salary changes, etc.) feel qualified to write with such authority on them, including Mr. Gelbart.
I’m in a unique position, I guess, because Howard Michael Gould and Jeff Melvoin are both friends of mine, and both have sat with me, over more than one meal, and conveyed nothing short of the deepest respect for, love of and commitment to writers and their well-being. These men are incredibly successful, extraordinarily busy, have wonderful families, and yet still make the time to work for the betterment of their fellow union members — with that outcome as their sole agenda. They have never had any interest in being “rock stars,” but rather in reasoned, intelligent debate, demand and discourse to get the best possible results for writers, which is why you would be hard-pressed to find a disparaging word written about either of them. So when they both tell me they strongly support John Wells, I can’t ignore that. Especially since they have been in the rooms the rest of us haven’t.
From my own personal view, not only as a WGA member and former attorney (who published a book on labor law), but as someone who was somewhat active in Guild matters before the strike, it truly felt like Writers United was on a mission to get elected (as an unassailable slate), get rid of John McClean, hire David Young and go on strike. Period. Mission Accomplished. They even had several mini-picket activities as dry-runs (the march on CBS, the ANTM “strike,” which terribly hurt the writers involved and achieved nothing). Organizing became the only cause. Striking the only outcome.
The specific contract terms they wanted were quite secondary to getting us all in red shirts on picket lines. In the end, they got multiple standing ovations to tell us it was over and we got terms that were nowhere near as good as the 1.2% of 100% Internet Rental formula that we got in 2001 (which could have been carefully negotiated to apply to all Internet work had simple diplomacy and good legal maneuvering — something I even wrote up a roadmap for, which was resoundingly ignored — been employed).
This is the first time I’ve posted on DHD or been at all involved in Guild politics since announcing my resignation from numerous Guild committees in the wake of our current leadership sending out a blacklist of writers we were supposed to “hold at arm’s length” after the strike, but I can’t sit by in silence. If WGA members would simply ask the question, “Am I better off now than I was four years ago?” before casting their votes, we might see that it’s time for a regime change.
Or at least a return to reason, diplomacy and true representation of writers.
Using my real name, as always…
Interesting that so many posters are accusing Wells of screwing up the last negotiation.
The only reason Wells was involved was because the Guild leadership (privately) ASKED him to become involved. WGA leadership had stupidly burned bridges with the DGA and needed someone from the outside to serve as a go-between during the DGA negotiations. If Wells did something at all underhanded, then why are the majority of the members of the last negotiating committee ENDORSING WELLS?
Curious –
For me, the worst one is EST residuals.
In 2001, the Guild won us the right to residuals on internet exhibitions of movies and tv shows produced since 1971. The rental rate was set at 1.2% of 100% of total receipts; the EST rate would be agreed upon at a later date.
In 2008, we agreed to an EST rate — based on the DVD rate, calculated against 20% of total receipts — payable on movies and tv shows produced after the strike ended.
DGA agreed to the same rate on movies and tv shows produced under their new contract; so did SAG.
But in drafting our terms — which, remember, the Guild insisted on doing before accepting an offer or ending the strike — our negotiators got rid of the language that required payments on any movies or tv shows produced under any previous contract.
That wasn’t part of the deal the DGA made, that John Wells endorsed; it also wasn’t part of the deal that SAG made, patterned on the DGA deal
We gave back EST residuals on over thirty years of movies and tv shows. Even at the lowly DVD rate the AMPTP had been offering since 2001, that represents millions of dollars in writers’ income … gone.
This can be easily verified by anyone. Both the 2004 MBA and the 2008 New Media Reuse terms are online at the WGAW website. The only thing you need to know is that terms in a collective bargaining agreement are prospective unless they explicitly establish retroactivity (and that, too, can be easily verified).
That one is about the easiest to explain. The DGA’s terms covering new media programs derived from covered tv series are better than ours; so are their terms for getting residual data from the Companies.
And, of course, all of the DGA’s New Media residual terms sunset at the end of their contract — but, unlike us, the DGA still has its favored nations clause with us and with SAG. This means, come 2011, the DGA will actually have another bite at the internet apple, without any fear of getting worse then SAG got (and no chance they will end up with as bad as we gave ourselves).
Longtime WGA:
I think the comments from ‘Screw Wells’ et. al. purporting to be from Davis supporters are best described as lame sarcasm, rather than, as you suggest, diabolically sneaky counter-propoganda.
To WGA members in general: I’d recommend that instead of reading comment threads like this, that you talk to the candidates directly, either at the Guild Candidates night or at the several open house Q-and-A sessions that both tickets are hosting. The issues at stake are too important for the outcome to be determined by internet loudmouths, and there are loudmouths on both sides.
Marvin writes:
“I don’t see Wells posting here, I only see Mazin, speaking for Wells, and, as it’s becoming increasingly clear, speaking for himself as the real candidate here.”
Hey Marvin: This isn’t an official candidate’s forum. It’s the comments section of an entertainment blog. I’m sorry that the candidates aren’t showing up at a place of your choosing to answer your questions as soon as you demand it, but that’s not the way life works. If you want to show up to “Meet the Candidates Night” at the guild and politely ask Wells some questions in an official and appropriate forum, then I’m sure he’ll answer them.
But don’t use the fact that he’s not posting here to be some kind of evasive tactic on his part. When Obama doesn’t answer your email about health care reform, do you get all bent out of shape about that, too? Or do you just assume that he has better forums in which to get across his point?
I am shocked that anyone white, black, male, female, gay, straight or transgender would want to run for office in any of the unions I belong to (SAG, AFTRA or WGA) because of the incredibly personal nature of the attacks that you would have to endure.
I respect anyone who would run for office, even if they’re not the candidate I support, because no one gets paid for these positions and it takes an incredible amount of time. If you can find me anyone who got rich because they served as elected leadership of any guild I’d love to see the proof of it. Disagree with a candidate, but please give up the crazy conspiracy theories.
Look at the smear campaign that’s going on just in this thread. People here declare that anonymous comments are agitprop from one camp, though they have absolutely no proof, and thus the candidate is convicted.
If someone is successful, they’re a corporate lackey. If someone is white and male, they’re satan.
Then, some posting here declare that if there aren’t enough women or minorities running for office it must be because some secret boys club society within the guild won’t give them their special decoder ring or something.
That’s crap.
I don’t mind voting for a white man, I got to vote for a black one for President, and against a woman, so I’m good.
“So the thought that there’s some huge contingent of WGA members who just can’t wait to strike again is false, and writers know this. Yet the Wells people keep posting these fake gung-ho messages saying “I can’t wait to strike for ten months that’s why I’m voting for Elias,” thinking that their fellow Guild members are stupid and will fall for it.”
Quite correct. And something else to keep in mind about Mazin – he’s a pretty serious conservative. He supported McCain and Palin (which ought to immediately classify him as insane) and as a serious conservative, perceives unions to “the enemy.” His behavior during the strike bore that out in spades. He claims to have marched all but two weeks of the strike, well that’s just not true. He was out there a few days, but he the majority of the time that we were all out supporting our union, he was working.
We have to keep these pro-corporate AMPTP stooges out of leadership positions. What future there is left to us depends on it.
Valerie Alexander wants us to believe that because she was a labor lawyer for a few years, she knows everything there is to know about the WGA, the strike, and this election.
And what an ego she has! “I’m in a unique position,” she says. Woo-hoo. Because you KNOW some of the people involved. It seems to me that the reason you’re in a unique position is because according to imdb you have barely a credit in this business, and certainly none that anyone has ever heard of or that’s worth a damn. Yet because you know two people who are voting for John Wells, you’re in a unique position to tell us what’s what.
Or does your unique position derive from the few years you spent as a practicing lawyer, more than a decade ago? Do you think you’re the only lawyer, or even the only labor lawyer, in the WGA? I find it quite suspect, not to mention specious, that your small time spent as a lawyer somehow endowed you with the ability to read the minds and know the true motivations in the hearts of the people who led the Guild during the strike.
Maybe you don’t read a newspaper, yet alone the trades, but it was no secret that the studios were not only offering the WGA nothing but the standard three percent raise, they were insisting on rollbacks including the complete elimination of all residuals, and brushing off internet coverage by suggesting the commission of a “study.” But somehow — although you offer no explanation why — you think that the AMPTP would have given us the internet rental rate that John Wells got. Why do you think that? Well, that’s a rhetorical question, you think that because that’s what you were told to put in your comment according to the talking points from Wells/Mazin that accompanied their request that you post on this website. Ditto for Cathryn Michon. Where were you guys yesterday? Answer: nowhere. But after Mazin fumbled while trying to handoff to Nikki, the Wells camp decided they needed some support to rebut the overwhelming disgust with their ticket that was displayed by writers in this forum.
FYI, Val, the Guild in 2007 prepared for a strike, and then struck, and still did not get their deal until 100 days of pain on both sides. Yet you seem to believe that Wells would have gotten a better deal WITHOUT a strike. If that is what you truly believe then I assume the reason you’re not a labor lawyer anymore is because you were one of the worst ones the profession has seen. Because for a lawyer, you are remarkably naive.