
15TH UPDATE: Behind-The-Scenes Of Disney-Marvel Deal
14TH UPDATE: Universal vs Disney Over Marvel Characters
13TH UPDATE: Why Disney Must Wait For Marvel Synergy
12TH UPDATE: VIDEO: Stan Lee On Disney-Marvel Deal
11TH UPDATE: Here's the list of characters included on Universal Islands Of Adventures' Marvel Island -- Spider-Man (also attraction), Dr. Doom (also attraction), Hulk (also attraction), Storm (also attraction), Captain America, Cyclops, Green Goblin, Rogue, Storm, Wolverine, "and lots more if you include stores and dining," a Uni exec tells me.
10TH UPDATE: I get the impression that Universal lawyers right now are scrutinizing their theme park licensing and merchandising contracts with Marvel. Universal has just updated its earlier statement to me to say this, "Marvel Super Hero Island at Universal’s Islands of Adventure and the Marvel characters are an important part of the Universal Orlando experience. They will remain so. Our agreement with Marvel stands for as long as we follow the terms of our existing contract and for as long as we want there to be a Marvel Super Hero Island." So privately Universal execs tell me they've got the Marvel characters "until the end of time if we want them" and use phrases like "in perpetuity". But here's the rub: a Universal insider tells me the studio only retain the existing characters it's already made use of. Sure there are Spider-Man and Hulk attractions, but what about all the other characters? Do those revert to Disney?
9TH UPDATE: Let's not forget the still active lawsuit that clouds the Disney-Marvel deal. The usually insightful THR, Esq does an excellent job boiling down the outstanding legal dispute involving Stan Lee and the rights to many of Marvel's most valuable characters. Presently, the defendants in the case have filed motions to dismiss, but the federal judge hasn't made a ruling yet:
"The executors and shareholders of Stan Lee Media, an online comic site created in the 1990s, are unhappy with the way that Lee parted ways with the company that bears his name and took his intellectual property to Marvel. In 2007, Stan Lee Media filed a lawsuit against Marvel Entertainment that claimed that Lee assigned the rights to his creations to SLM in a 1998 "Employment Agreement/Rights Assignment" contract. In the lawsuit filed in New York District Court, SLM claimed 50% of all income, proceeds, and profits realized by Marvel's use of the characters. Then, this past January, shareholders of SLM filed a separate lawsuit in California claiming $750 million in damages after a District Court denied Lee's claim that he properly transferred assets belonging to SLM..."
"...Here's another twist of fate: Five years ago, Marvel sued Disney after the Mouse House bought the Fox Family Channel and rebranded it as ABC Family. At the time, the channel aired an animated series that featured Marvel characters. Marvel claimed that Fox couldn't transfer the copyright license to these characters to Disney. Ironic."
And here's still more irony courtesy of one of DHD commenters: "What’s hilarious is that years ago, when Disney was looking for new direction, Stan Lee had a meeting with the board and said he had the solution to all their problems – “Me!” (meaning Stan Lee and Marvel). They thought he was crazy then."
8TH UPDATE: Paramount just issued this statement to me: “Paramount Pictures has enjoyed a productive and fruitful relationship with Marvel Studios from the start of our distribution agreement in 2005. So much so, we announced a five-picture slate distribution deal last year which includes worldwide distribution rights for upcoming films: Iron Man 2, Thor, Captain America, Avengers, and Iron Man 3. This distribution deal will be unaffected by today’s transaction. We look forward to continuing to work with Marvel and, with today’s announcement, to working with Disney to replicate the incredible success of Iron Man on all our future collaborative projects.”
7TH UPDATE: Bob Iger on CNBC: "We'd like love to attract more boys, and we think Marvel's skew is more in boys' direction. Although there's a universal appeal, we think, to a lot of their characters and a lot of their story. Just look at Spider-Man and Iron Man films. This is a great fit. But we obviously know Disney has a lot of products that are more girl-skewed than boy. And we'd like the opportunity to go after boys more aggressively."
6TH UPDATE: Did Disney overpay for Marvel? Well, here's the argument for a resounding "Yes!" In both November 2008 and March 2009, Marvel's stock traded below $24 per share. And the run-up of the stock since March of this year has been +58%. If Disney was interested in buying Marvel, why didn't Bob Iger do it when he could have bought it at a far cheaper price? Meanwhile, in today's trading, Marvel stock is up more than 25% (+$9.75) at midday, while Disney shares are trading down almost 3% (-$.75).
5TH UPDATE: Paramount still has a 5-film distribution deal with Marvel, and Bob Iger has confirmed in his press remarks that Marvel's upcoming films will be released by Paramount.
4TH UPDATE: I'm told that Sony's deal on Spider-Man motion picture right is unaffected by today's announcement and not subject to renewal. In fact, Sony is currently developing the next three films in the franchise.
3RD UPDATE: No official word from Paramount yet about how this affects the lucrative distribution agreement with Marvel, or Sony and its Spider-Man franchise. But Universal just issued this statement to me about the future of their theme park licensing pact with Marvel: "Marvel Super Hero Island at Universal’s Islands of Adventure and the Marvel characters are a beloved and important part of the Universal Orlando experience. They will remain so. Our guests are going to get to meet Spider-Man and all our other Marvel characters. We believe our agreement with Marvel stands and that the Disney/Marvel deal will have no impact on our guest experience." Hmm, interesting how there's a "we believe" in there. Sounds unsure.
But it's important to note that the Disney/Marvel deal statement today does not mention Marvel in connection with Disney theme parks. In fact, Disney may not be able to use the 5,000 Marvel characters to freshen its theme parks for some time. Because Universal theme parks have a long-term licensing deal with Marvel that gives them the rights to the characters, and Universal not only has Marvel attractions (like the Spider-Man ride) in Orlando and Osaka but has also built them into future theme park plans. "We have a license deal that goes on for a long time," a Universal insider tells me. Or do they?
2ND UPDATE: Wow, was this kept secret. I knew something was up all weekend when a tipster told me that Disney had arranged an unscheduled investors call this AM and the art department at Disney Online went into a "lock-down" to create a logo. But the best guess by some of the experts I contacted was Disney buying Electronic Arts. Marvel seemed outside the realm of possibility. Yet I've learned that this was a deal which Bob Iger told intimates he'd been pursuing for a long time!
With the whole deal worth $4 billion in cash and stock, a little math shows that Marvel CEO Ike Perlmutter, who owns 37% of his public company, stands to reap $1.5 billion in cash and stock. With so much to lose, and the SEC casting a watchful eye, Perlmutter had every reason to keep this negotiation secret from everyone, even intimates who described themselves to me as "completely blindsided". But they tell me that this sell-out has been the strategy all along of this no-nonsense Israeli. "Ike is the real story here. He's really operated like the Great Oz behind the scenes, not accessible to the public but always mindful of shareholders. This was always an acquisition play for Ike," one insider explains to me. "The bottom line is he turned the whole thing around after he fought tooth and nail with Ron Perelman for the company. Today he runs a nifty company that's tidy on expenses and has no cash flow issues. This deal with Disney just ups his game and creates shareholder value and lets him walk away a billionaire."
With this morning's announcement, Bob Iger today finally steps out of Michael Eisner's shadow and earns his keeps as Corporate America's 3rd highest paid CEO. Because everyone knows that Eisner, when he ran Disney, had to be pushed kicking and screaming to make acquisitions like ABC. (Believing that Disney did best when it grew its businesses organically.) But Iger, first with Pixar, and now Marvel, is showing himself to be the boldest Big Media CEO with an acquisition that "highlights Disney's strategic focus on quality branded content, technological innovation and international expansion to build long-term shareholder value". Now the question is whether the other moguls can keep up with him, especially Time Warner CEO Jeff Bewkes who's sitting on a pile of cash after the spinoff of Time Warner Cable and needs to start making acquisitions and adding value to the company instead of just buying back the company stock.
That Marvel would be a prize worth having is a foregone conclusion: the entertainment company's aggressive exploitation of its comic book heros in movies and toys and licensing is so far unparallelled. In fact, some believe Marvel Studios is moving too fast and about to flood the comic book film market with product. Yet the public has shown an endless appetite for superhero fare. Nevertheless, marketing all those movies, when P&A costs for tenpoles average $60+M these days, was going to prove costly for Marvel. Now it can rely on the Disney distribution and marketing machine, especially around the world where Marvel was weakest.
On the other hand, there's a real possibility that the fanboys may not want their comic book fare "Disney-fied" by the Magic Kingdom. It undermines the cool quotient. But that hasn't hurt Pixar and it probably won't hurt Marvel, either, as long as Iger and his team are smart enough to keep their hands off Marvel and just count the money about to come in. But can they? Considering how dark some of those Marvel comics have become -- the sex, the gore? Yet that's the stuff that addicts those fanboys crucial to Disney's strategy here because the company is weakest attracting teenaged boys. And the merchandising possibilities are endless given that Disney does something like $1 billion a year sales with Wal-Mart alone. Meanwhile, the deal puts Marvel on much the same footing as the DC Comics/Warner Bros relationship. But to date Disney has been much better at building synergy with its brands, and Iger emphasized that ad nauseum in his investors call this morning.
Here's the official Disney/Marvel announcement:
August 31, 2009
DISNEY TO ACQUIRE MARVEL ENTERTAINMENTBurbank, CA and New York, NY, August 31, 2009 —Building on its strategy of delivering quality branded content to people around the world, The Walt Disney Company (NYSE:DIS) has agreed to acquire Marvel Entertainment, Inc. (NYSE:MVL) in a stock and cash transaction, the companies announced today.
Under the terms of the agreement and based on the closing price of Disney on August 28, 2009, Marvel shareholders would receive a total of $30 per share in cash plus approximately 0.745 Disney shares for each Marvel share they own. At closing, the amount of cash and stock will be adjusted if necessary so that the total value of the Disney stock issued as merger consideration based on its trading value at that time is not less than 40% of the total merger consideration.
Based on the closing price of Disney stock on Friday, August 28, the transaction value is $50 per Marvel share or approximately $4 billion.
"This transaction combines Marvel's strong global brand and world-renowned library of characters including Iron Man, Spider-Man, X-Men, Captain America, Fantastic Four and Thor with Disney's creative skills, unparalleled global portfolio of entertainment properties, and a business structure that maximizes the value of creative properties across multiple platforms and territories," said Robert A. Iger, President and Chief Executive Officer of The Walt Disney Company. "Ike Perlmutter and his team have done an impressive job of nurturing these properties and have created significant value. We are pleased to bring this talent and these great assets to Disney."
"We believe that adding Marvel to Disney's unique portfolio of brands provides significant opportunities for long-term growth and value creation," Iger said.
"Disney is the perfect home for Marvel's fantastic library of characters given its proven ability to expand content creation and licensing businesses," said Ike Perlmutter, Marvel's Chief Executive Officer. "This is an unparalleled opportunity for Marvel to build upon its vibrant brand and character properties by accessing Disney's tremendous global organization and infrastructure around the world."
Under the deal, Disney will acquire ownership of Marvel including its more than 5,000 Marvel characters. Mr. Perlmutter will oversee the Marvel properties, and will work directly with Disney's global lines of business to build and further integrate Marvel's properties.
The Boards of Directors of Disney and Marvel have each approved the transaction, which is subject to clearance under the Hart-Scott-Rodino Antitrust Improvements Act, certain non-United States merger control regulations, effectiveness of a registration statement with respect to Disney shares issued in the transaction and other customary closing conditions. The agreement will require the approval of Marvel shareholders. Marvel was advised on the transaction by BofA Merrill Lynch.
Hi,
They’re overpaying for it on a headline going-concern basis (see a price-chart), but on a strategic basis, they’ll be gaining the vast IP library, much of which they’ll be able to pump through Disney XD and other channels, they’ll save loads on all those over-lapping jobs where Disney are the best in the world for merchandise-planning (see high school musical) and finally, they essentially get a ‘clean’ company since Marvel positioned itself to self-finance and control distribution with ad-hoc partners, which like Pixar, is now guaranteed to go through Disneys sales machine.
Kind regards,
Shakir Razak
I can’t wait to see who Iron Man’s cute little sidekicks are going to be.
Seriously, though, this looks like a great deal for Disney, and I presume Marvel is happy as well. Many media mergers just don’t make sense, but I can easily envision Disney making back that $4B over as little as ten years, and just coining loot from then on out.
I’m reading conflicting reports across the web right now. Nikki I know you’re one of the most reliable websites so I’ll take your scoop over what other websites are reporting.
Some sites are claiming this is a deal between Stan Lee with his POW Entertainment company and Disney and not the Marvel properties.
From your article it seems to state that Disney has bought the entire Marvel library. Is that the case? And would they now own the rights to future Marvel movies? What does do to Spiderman & X-Men movies which are controlled by Universal & Fox.
See-more proof that Satan does exist.
Once again, Disney acquires a good thing and will trash it.
I can’t wait until we get to see:
Stan Lee’s Fantasia
Ugh.
4 Bil is a bargain for such a deep intellectual property. But pubishing comics has never been something the modern Disney was good at.
Isn’t Spiderman already owned by Sony?
Boom goes the dynamite.
Does Paramount have a theatrical line up after 2011 anymore? Disney just bought their mountain oysters, so is there any scratch left to scoop up the rest of Paramount’s remains?
I predict one of the poor-performing Disney themeparks will be retooled as Marvelland within the next five years. I didn’t say I approve, I just predict….
This is… a bizarre move that I can’t see the logic behind.
Corporate advantage derives from one of two things – synergies between business lines or resources the parent company can supply that the open market cannot. In this case, neither character libraries nor licensing benefit from economies of scale and Marvel had sufficient capital resources and brand so it didn’t need Disney’s corporate resources. They’ll still have to pay the $60mil for P&A whether they’re with Disney or solo, so I’d disagree that being tied to the Disney marketing machine is worth a significant chunk of the ~$1.5billion premium that Disney paid for the shares.
There’s no management expertise to be shared, and the one of the very few possibilities that you mentioned of using Marvel characters in theme parks could easily be substituted with Disney’s or Pixar’s library.
I just can’t see where they think they’re going to generate value from this. Pixar I can kinda see with vertical integration (but even that is pretty dubious), but if they’re going to keep their hands off Marvel and let it run its own thing why not just buy a minority stake instead of going through the costly process of a merger?
KPMG estimates only 20% of mergers add value, and given there’s no obvious benefits my gut instinct says this is not going to be one of those lucky few. It seems to be taken from the “earnings accreted” school of corporate management where you pay $2 to get an extra $1 worth of revenue.
Excelsior, indeed!
Please let there be some semblance of right in the world and some of this make it back to Stan Lee. He’s been so screwed over in the past, and deserves to be at least recognized for his contributions.
So I guess the Universal theme parks will have to replace the Marvel rides with, uh, whut… the ‘Heroes’-coaster?
LOL!
so much for Marvel’s MAX imprint
Ya know, come ta think of it, I always THOUGHT that Eisner looked like Baron Strucker!
Fascinating! It will be interesting to see how this all really meshes… (or doesn’t)…
The deal is in the details…
I’m gonna be first in line for Fantasia:Wolverine
Not only the theme parks, but aren’t a lot of the characters locked up at certain studios — Spider-Man at Sony, Hulk at Universal, etc.?
How does this affect the film aspect? Does Marvel retain their independence in terms of the film division or do they play out the existing deals and then everything ends up at Disney?
Hopefully Disney recognizes the vital importance of the current leadership at Marvel Studios. They have to trust Feige and Maisel. If the deal establishes a relationship akin to Disney and Pixar, it’s encouraging. These characters are highly recognizable, but audiences quickly grow tired of them if the films are mismanaged; look at the diminishing returns Fox saw between X-Men 3 and Wolverine, or Fantastic Four 1 and 2.
Speaking of the Fantastic Four, here’s hoping that those rights will revert back to Marvel and Brad Bird can take a shot at a new feature. The Incredibles wound up being a better adaptation of both the Fantastic Four and Watchmen than the films that were officially based on either of those comics.
Are you really that surprised!? Disney scoops up everything that is successful.. (flashback to Pixar in 06′ and then recently the deal with Dreamworks.. ) The Mouse House is a creativity vacuum.. They feel the need to paste a castle in front of every movie with even an ounce of originality..
Wow.
I do wonder though whether Marvel might have been better off on its own for a while. They’ve been doing a lot of things right over the past few years and emerged as arguably the best run studio in Hollywood.
Disney might ruin that or hold it back from the path it was on (I mean, look at Disney compared to Marvel’s performance over the past few years). We’ll see.
pixar will make a better fantastic four movie than its current versions
Disney already has a strong part of the young girl market with the Hannah Montana/Jonas Brothers and their ilk. With Marvel they can get the boys.
To the comment about the MAX imprint: what about the stuff being published in plain old regular-label Marvel comics or their “Ultimate” line? Everything is soaked in insanely inappropriate gore and sexual violence, while the “hero” characters usually act more like villains–it’s all still steeped in hopeless Bush-era political and moral confusion. If someone wants to create their own “adult” superhero book and explore that kind of content then fine, do whatever, but don’t make a whole business out of cynically corrupting characters who were designed for children’s stories.
They need a guy like Dan Slott as Editor-in-Chief: someone who understands the madness and fun of all the concepts clashing in the “Marvel Universe” and can tell stories that don’t rely on the shock value of gushing chest wounds.
Yay, more media conglomeration. This is a bad move creatively for Marvel and I fear their films may suffer. Now they’re just another cog in the corporate wheel. Ugh.
A mesh with Disney, must surely seem demeaning, to Marvel comic followers. Money goes where money flows. You cannot suffice the winds of change. I’m sure that Disney will tread carefully. They have a wonderful opportunity, if they seperate this entity, and still incorporate their principles.
What’s hilarious is that years ago, when Disney was looking for new direction, Stan Lee had a meeting with the board and said he had the solution to all their problems – “Me!” (meaning Stan Lee and Marvel). They thought he was crazy then.
This may be a total suprise to YOU, but the rumour’s been floating around comics circles for so long we’d all just assumed the deal fell through! And Wackiland- seriously, you think STAN LEE is the one who’s gotten screwed?! Does the name “Jack Kirby” mean nothing to you? Stan was well-compensated… but Marvel literally went out of it’s way to humiliate Jack, in a delibrate attempt to devalue his contributions in case he tried to sue for copyright.(A case most Hollywood lawyers think he would have had a good shot at winning- which is why MOVIE producers have made sure THEIR asses are covered by giving him credit on the film versions….)
A brilliant move by Iger and the coup of coups. Let the geniuses at Pixar have a crack at Marvel and just see how great it can become.
The actual comic book publishing side shouldn’t really be in any danger. Mirimax thrived with edgy fare under Disney, and I don’t think the Mouse House would have gone out of their way to bring Marvel into the fold if the idea was to water the whole enterprise down.
What I’m really interested to see is how Warners reacts to this. As Marvel surges on, they just can’t seem to organize their DC portfolio in any meaningful way. They answered Iron Man with Jonah Hex?
Stan Lee screwed over? That’s a new one. Everyone BUT Stan Lee got screwed over by Marvel. The guy is great and never stopped promoting Marvel and deserved every penny he has. But to say he got screwed over is a gross exaggeration. Seigel and Shuster, Bill Finger, those guys got screwed over.
With guys like Paul Levitz and Joe Q in charge at the Big Two, creators are getting more credit then ever before. Hell DC sent Batman Begins/Dark Knight royalty checks to guys that once a drew a panel or two that looked like a scene from the film.
As for the purchase, it’s kind of sad. As big as Marvel is, you could still consider it an indie. Wolverine ain’t gonna be smoking cigars ever again…
Thank you for all the updates on this story!
Dan Slott?
That’s the most moronic statement I’ve heard today.
Dan Slott written books do not break into the top twenty of sales.
Dan Slott’s books are not well-reviewed and have never been heralded by the Eisner Awards, Wizard, or the local garbageman. He’s a hack.
So let’s crap on the top selling writers and books, and lower them to the lowest common denominator. Put DAN SLOTT (I snicker as I write this, why not Judd Winnick an equally talentless hack) in charge of these characters?
The only editors-in-chiefs who have elevated them in the past 40 years in terms of sales and creativity are Jim Shooter and Joe Quesada. And they did so by adding sophistication to a public demanding that super-heroes not be “dumbed down.” You’ll note Jim Shooter’s Squadron Supreme dealt with Civil Liberties as did Quesada’s Civil War. But let’s jettison all that because Dan Slott thinks Spidey should just fight Doc Ock ad nauseum.
I’m not saying there shouldn’t be comics that are entry points to the characters, but dumbing down the universe with Dan frickin’ Slott would take the universe to almost pre Lee-Ditko-Kirby (when Stan was E-I-C– Harry Osborn was a drug addict and Flash Thompson went to Vietnam) is a surefire ticket to irrelevancy.
And the bottom line is, Dan Slott wouldn’t know cool or even interesting storytelling if it hit him in the ass with a repulsor ray.
People of Larchmont/Hancock Park: that sound you just heard was Brad Grey blowing his brains out. Looks like someone might have to start DEVELOPING INTERNALLY!
Very smart move on both their parts!
Financially, everyone gains. stockholders of both company’s and especially Disney over the long term.
It’s all an inside job. You wait and see. The SEC will want to investigate when it’s revealed that Donald Duck influenced the Big D to buy Marvel and prop up his cousin Howard.
And speaking of “gushing chest wounds” nemo, when Stan Lee was E-I-C The Green Goblin was IMPALED AGAINST A WALL through the chest with his goblin glider in an issue of Amazing Spider Man. This was after Norman Osborn/Green Goblin MURDERED Gwen Stacy by throwing her off a bridge.
The Ultimate universe you cite is an alternate reality with a harsher take on the Super Heroes, not their “mainstream” continuity and incarnation.
So even when you factor in the Stan Lee era, you’re pining for a Marvel that never really existed, binky, except in your own mind.
Marvel’s biggies (xmen, spiderman, ironman) are tied up elsewhere for the foreseeable future, unless disney buys them at a steep fee. which is always possible. that said, as nice as the cash for those licenses is, I’m thinking this is a play to create a new superhero franchise for boys based on the next tier of characters in the rest of the library. worked for princesses ($6 billion and counting) – can work for superheroes.
over time Disney will likely recapture rights to the biggies and be able to work their franchise magic on those too.
good deal all around.
Adding superficial political themes, buckets of blood, and creepy sexuality doesn’t make these books more “sophisticated.” It’s a provocative veneer of the adult or the taboo slathered on to keep jaded 30-60 year old guys interested in their childhood stories about acrobats wrestling in colorful circus costumes. “Realistic” storytelling and superheroes have been balanced in interesting ways, but not in the grueling excess of the Quesada Event era, an unfortunate flashback to all the practices that drove readers away in the 1990s. Look at the attention and sales spikes they got from Civil War…and then less for Skrullocaust…and then less for Dark Reign…and lower and lower.
Marvel need to keep growing their audience, and that means making stories that are accessible to kids. The movies are. The books aren’t.
Maybe they should take a look at the stuff that’s being chosen for adaptation to film–Lee’s Spider-Man, Lee/Layton Iron Man, the upcoming Kirby/Simonson Thor–and figure out why it doesn’t resemble what they’re publishing right now.
They might also get around to noticing that kids ARE buying 190 pages of Naruto for eight bucks–it’s $30-40 for 190 pages of Marvel story at current prices.
Hey nemo– is your point that publishing is dead? or that the 90s were the short-sighted era that ushered in the Quesada reign because Bill Jemas and company were clueless?
And little kids went to see Iron Man and were what put it over the top? I thought 20 and 30 and 40 somethings did that. Robert Downey Jr.’s hard-partying, booze drinking, whore-mongering, war profiteer as superhero is for little kids? Moreso than an alien invasion by skrulls? What are you babbling about?
But you’re right. Dumb it all down and that will make little kids buy comic books again. That’s why ARCHIE’s sales are so scary riveting, as are the Scooby Doo and Simpsons comics. Kids don’t BUY comic books, genius. They play video games and watch movies and cartoons. But your magic formula of kiddie comics will solve all that, and take Marvel publishing right down the crapper. But don’t believe me, check the sales figures of the Shazam and Marvel Super Hero kiddie comic books which CURRENTLY EXIST ON SHELVES TODAY. They’re burning up the sales charts only in your imagination.
In terms of buying Marvel earlier in the year on the cheap, it doesn’t quite work that way. Back when it was trading under $24 earlier, Marvel and its shareholders would never have sold the company for some small premium on that value.
That post title reminded me of the Pixar acq, and now no one is talking about overpayment. Probably Disney will use all its muscle under the hood to turn Marvel into a similar, but unique powerhouse brand w/o messing with the creative. Because Iger is real smartsie guy.
While the money angle is certainly good for the dealmakers, it remains to be seen whether Disney will really keep their hands off Marvel.
If they leave it alone, they’ll be okay. If not, well, it was fun…
While Disney knows how to market Disney, I don’t think they really know how to market Marvel. Disney has to put their “brand” on everything like a dog marking its territory, and that could easily pollute and/or dilute the Marvel brand and ultimately reduce it to the comics equivalent of Miramax.
Not seeing the logic in terms of a theatrical assest.
IMO, this deal only works when it mirrors Warner/DC (everything under one house). For now, it’s nowhere near that. They can’t take X-Men away from Fox, they can’t take Spidey away from Sony, hell, they can’t even take Island of Adventure away from Universal. Then there’s the current Paramount deal in place for Marvel Studios that’ll last another half a decade.
There’s a debate whether or not they can even take X-Men characters yet to appear in the X-Men films.
A catalogue of 5,000 Marvel characters means nothing when 4,975 are either not viable or unavailable. No one wants to see a Pixar film about Black Bolt or Triton.
Wow, Old Media Mogul Sumner Redstone misses another one.
I bet Dolgen would have anticipated that risk to studio’s tent poles.
Anyone have a clue what this means for Cartoon network, Nick and the new Discovery/Hasbro kids channel? I would think Disney XD will benefit. And what does Warners do with all their kid product and no place to run it?
wow
so this means that Adam Goodman’s back up falls further, leading to the inevitable shellaquing
and hopefully Kevin Feige finds himself no longer at Marvel…one of the dumbest kiss asses in town!
Key to Universal deal is exclusivity, I suspect that Disney may have opportunity to selectively use characters at its theme parks, and more importantly can certainly integrate MVL merchandise into Disney Stores with Disney consumer products and licensing activity. Net net NBC/UNI will be paying licensing fees to DIS, who can probably extract higher net margins through its relationships with manufacturers and additional exposure for MVL brands in retail channels can positively impact UNI. Could be a win win for both.
OK.. I have to write this.
Sorry for the long manifesto here.. but honestly enough of this crap.
So THEY ARE (the studios) going after the comic stuff cuz they want the “boy market”?
I think after this last years COMIC CON, the studio boys, producers and directors had orga$ms all over themselves seeing all the fan boys gush over comic book characters..and seen $$$$ dollar $igns.
Will this be the demise of real movies?
What about the rest of us? who arent boys?
Are we destined to watch comic book stuff, that is for the most part THE SAME SHIZZ over and over and over.. but dressed up differently with special effects and very little decent dialogue????
Is this the “dumbing down of America”??
Who will make the REAL MOVIES?
IS ANYONE IN HOLLYWOOD LISTENING?
Are you drilling down so much for your niche that you don’t CARE about the other 2/3 OF THE MOVIE GOING AUDIENCE? that’s over the age of 25 that has a brain? (which is considerable by the way).
We don’t go to movies because your not making anything worth while for us to go and see!! duh.
YOU ALL need to open the doors and windows and let in some fresh air.. you need new fresh ideas.
Comic book stuff will be oversaturated in about 2 yrs and then what?
Another two years of bordom.. (sigh).
oh when will it all end.
mariobava,
What are you talking about?
“Dan Slott?
That’s the most moronic statement I’ve heard today.
Dan Slott written books do not break into the top twenty of sales.”
Yes they have. Spider-Man: Brand New Day? Spider-Man: New Ways to Die? Spider-Man #600? All in the Top 10. His Mighty Avengers and almost all of his issue of Amazing Spider-Man have been in the Top 20. You should really read up on stuff before you just post whatever’s in your head.
“Dan Slott’s books are not well-reviewed”
What reviews are you reading? His She-Hulk, Arkham Asylum, Thing, Spider-Man/Human Torch, Great Lakes Avengers, and Avengers the Initiative were all well reviewed.
“and have never been heralded by the Eisner Awards, Wizard, or the local garbageman. He’s a hack.”
Two months ago he was just in Wizard’s Top 10.
“But let’s jettison all that because Dan Slott thinks Spidey should just fight Doc Ock ad nauseum.”
He wrote Spidey fighting Doc Ock once. That was in the Top 10 issue of Spider-Man #600. It’s being reprinted in a couple weeks. Or is that what you mean by ad nauseum?
“And the bottom line is, Dan Slott wouldn’t know cool or even interesting storytelling if it hit him in the ass with a repulsor ray.”
The bottom line is you’re talking out your ass. What have you even read of Dan Slott’s stuff?
what’s next, Miley Cyrus as Wonder Woman? Vanessa Hudgens as She-Hulk? Zac Efron as Robin? (*in voice of Comic Book Guy*): worst deal ever!
Almost every stock was in the toilet in November 2008 and March 2009 and almost every stock is way, way up since the March lows, so it’s not really fair to say they overpaid since they didn’t manage to cherry pick the absolute lows of the worst bear market in generations. At the lows in March, Disney’s stock was less than $16 and in November as low as around $20 versus $26 now, and 40% of the purchase price today is in stock anyway.
Fantastic Four, Daredevil, other characters might revert back to Marvel one day. They will NOT get X-Men or Spider-Man back, and they do not have the rights to any of the X-Men characters who have not been used on film yet. Fox will make X-Men spinoffs, prequels, and reboots as long as it possibly can. Sony has made clear its intentions to re-cast and reboot Spider-Man once Raimi and Maguire are disinterested in continuing or too inconvenient to work with.
To concerns about Marvel’s actual value, perceptions of that will shift dramatically at the release of The Avengers, a project with no real precedent in this industry. The entire purpose of the “shared universe” conceits and crossovers that Marvel’s comic book stories were built on was to build the “Marvel universe” itself as a brand. Marketing new characters becomes easier when you can put them in a story with familiar ones.
Iron Man 2, Thor, Captain America lead into The Avengers.
It appears to me that there is a strategy to divide the Marvel characters into thematic subgroups, the entities within crossing into and cross-promoting each other.
The Avengers is a huge team with a frequently rotating roster of characters. Once this concept has been established in one film, lesser-known Avengers characters, such as Hawkeye, can be introduced in subsequent Avengers sequels as a testing ground for potential spinoff into their own series of solo films.
Edgar Wright has been developing Ant-Man, another Avengers character. Black Panther is another likely candidate to get his own film before an appearance in a hypothetical “Avengers 2.”
Family films: Power Pack/Runaways: Power Pack is a team of young kids with super powers, Runaways is a team of teenagers with super powers. Think “Goonies” for Power Pack’s tone. Runaways is more like “Buffy the Vampire Slayer” teen melodrama. Both of these are post-Avengers concepts; having established the “super team” concept credibly one huge film, entire new groups of characters can be introduced into that “shared universe” at once in a way that will feel organic. Either of these could make sense as a Summer or November-December release.
The Marvel espionage series: Nick Fury/SHIELD: This will finally be the highly-anticipated starring role for Samuel L. Jackson. They fight HYDRA, the basis for GI Joe’s COBRA, except HYDRA have a better shot at making it to the screen intact. This could be more like the GI Joe movie people wanted to see than the GI Joe movie that was actually made. Characters like Black Widow or even cyborg operative Deathlok make sense in this context.
Supernatural/horror films: Dr. Strange was mentioned as the first of these characters to be explored, possibly crossing over with others like Werewolf by Night and Blade (who would probably not be played by Snipes.) These would be darker, horror-themed films more likely to be aimed at March/April than the Summer–around the time Warner releases stuff like 300.
That’s just what they’ve indicated they’re thinking about so far. Remember that nobody knew who Iron Man was before the film was out. NOBODY. Smart producers trusting the right talent is what makes the difference between an Iron Man and a Wolverine.
Can Marvel please reach out to David Goyer and Bryan Singer now?
Whatever happens they’ll only have themselves to blame.
But of course you know that. When do we get the 12th apostle update?
This looks like the makings of the first Antitrust Action by the Holder Justice Department to me.
People keep asking questions about what Disney will have the “rights” to, since Marvel has licensed their characters to so many “competitors” of Disney.
Let me explain to those of you who don’t understand. Disney. Bought. Marvel.
Therefore, while Sony may have the rights to make SpiderMan movies, and Paramount may have the rights to IronMan, and Universal may have Marvel-based theme park rides – guess what? All the money Marvel makes from those deals is now Disney money.
Why? Because – Disney. Bought. Marvel.
Good Lord, people. Why is that so hard for you to grasp? Those of you who are pontificating about “what does this mean” to those deals are all missing the freakin’ point. All of the licensing money that Marvel makes is now the same as Disney money. Doesn’t matter that it says “Pay To The Order Of Marvel” on the check. Marvel. Is. Owned. By. Disney.
Disney doesn’t care that Paramount owns rights to distribute IronMan 2 or that Universal has Marvel-characters on themepark rides. Why should they? Because every cent that Marvel makes from those agreements is now going into the Disney bank account. After all… Disney. Bought. Marvel.
Bob Iger is like a 15-year old kid in a comic store, so Disney is going to seal Marvel in a mylar bag, store them in a dark, dry space and hope the value goes up.
I love the idea of a vibrant and supported Marvel studio but when the Disney parks get Marvel’d it will truly be the end of an era. I’ve never understood why the company could never (or did never) make a better effort to get new generations on board with the park’s traditions. The old narratives that drove most of the theming and attractions has been junked, discarded or bastardized, truncated or eliminated with lazy add-ons that represent half hearted attempts to make them contemporary or more closely aligned with new properties. Maybe they’ll avoid Marveling the main parks but who knows – they might not even be able to. I just hope all the fighting that is certain to be made visible doesn’t stop Marvel’s movie production aspirations cold.
Now, I want a Howard The Duck movie “reboot”…
Bob Iger on CNBC: “We’d like love to attract more boys, and we think Marvel’s skew is more in boys’ direction… And we’d like the opportunity to go after boys more aggressively.”
Haven’t people gone to jail for making these kinds of statements? (sorry, couldn’t resist, the conversation was entirely too serious)
You.Miss.The.Point.
True, when other studios exploit characters in feature films, the participations paid to Marvel will now be paid to Disney. (Because.Disney.Bought.Marvel — I get it.) But what you seem to be missing is that those participations don’t approach what the other studios keep. So … it is perfectly fair for people to question the value being derived by Disney when key characters are tied up by other studios, because Disney isn’t getting those characters — it is buying Marvel’s participation in those characters’ exploitation by other studios which keep the lion’s share of the proceeds. Even.Though.Disney.Bought.Marvel.
The money made by selling the movie rights for say Spidey to Sony is a pittance compared to what Sony has racked in and will continue to rack in with the next trilogy of films. Same goes for X-Men and Fox, and its neverending slate of mutant films.
I don’t understand the value, marketing or otherwise, of all these minor characters that nobody but fanboys has ever heard of. If you want to do a supernatural horror film or an espionage film, just do it from scratch rather than use some class C Marvel character. When you use these minor characters, the first part of the marketing campaign has to be explaining to the public that these characters are characters from the great Marvel, you haven’t heard of them? you should have!
This is SUCH bad news. Now, Marvel movies will be FILLED with sexual innuendo jokes as virtually every children’s Disney movie has been for 2 decades.
By the second Disney/Marvel disaster, I predict a homo will be instrumental in solving a problem and helping the hero win. Disney is infiltrated with homosexuals and has almost worshiped them ever since hiring the child molester Victor Salva to direct Powder. And of course, Disney couldn’t WAIT to put Eddie Murphy in their top children’s movie spot soon after he was caught with a transvestite prostitute.
DC and Warner cannot get their act together to decide WHAT they want to make next, but DC/Warner is going to look like the brilliant 1930s MGM next to the disaster that Disney does to Marvel.
These integrations of characters into media monoliths aren’t always a slam dunk. Remember when the Hannah Barbara characters…Yogi, Fred Flintstone, Scooby Doo etc. tried to smoothly work into the old Warner Bros. Studio Stores merchandise lines? They were soooooo out of place it was silly…and destroyed the look and feel of the Warner Looney Tunes characters at the same time. There is real work to be done here…..
Apparently, “Greg Milton” doesn’t see anything even remotely “homo” about Marvel’s oh-so-fetishy superheroes. (And hasn’t picked up on what X-MEN is REALLY about- he certainly hasn’t absorbed the message of “tolerance” the strip preaches). Speaking as a middle-aged man who loves comics and cartoons, take my advice- GROW THE HELL UP ALREADY.
I’m not sure I’m onboard with Disney buying up Marvel. Marvel has been the softer of the two major comic book based companies(the other being DC). Marvel might appeal more to the younger generation but could lose a large core of the adult demographic who tend to be the hardcore followers.
It’s hard to say if this was a good move for Marvel…but then again there is more money in movies that cater to kids…use Pixar and Dreamworks for example
Does this mean that cheap SOB Ike Pearlmutter can afford to buy himself a box of paperclips??
I’m late to the party here, but it took me a few days to absorb this.
First, it should be mentioned that Disney absolutely had an opportunity in the last 15 years to purchase Marvel for a fraction of the current sale price. Talkin’ double-digit millions here.
Secondly, the deal is most certainly over-valued. It reminds me of when Disney bought Fox Family from Haim Saban, and the defense for its $5.2 B sale price offered to the media (and sharehoders) was that there was this immense library to be exploited. But outside of Power Rangers, which provided the tiniest sliver of pie to Disney Consumer Products’ portfolio,that vast library was completely worthless. It probably cost more in administrative costs to maintain than any value it could possibly return.
Now, I’m not saying the Marvel library is worthless, but outside of the A characters, there just isn’t much to work with (for the Mouse’s coveted four quadrant audience). In Disney terms, imagine a lifetime of non-stop Underdog sequels. Over-valued characters under-performing at the box office because there just aren’t enough people who give a damn, regardless of the quality of the material.
I don’t think collecting licensing dough from Sony, Par, Uni, and Fox is going to make up for what looks to be a huge quagmire… for Disney.
Great deal for Marvel shareholders, though. Too bad… Marvel was one of the few brands that could have matured into a “Disney” all on its own. But I can see the logic of the deal for them.
For those of you worrying about future movies; Marvel’s contract is still up so they are still going to control their upcoming movies. And i don’t think Disney will do much meddling in the movie direction, theyre simply using the characters to attract the younger, male generation, especially to parks. Another reason for this is that it was the awesomeness of the movies that attracted Disney’s attention in the first place, they wouldnt’t shoot themselves in the foot by changing that.
Two quick points.
Howard the Duck: Hope he gets his original design back. And Pixar “reboots” him.
Personally, I think it’s a great deal. As every other competent reporter noted, it broadens Disney’s reach. Only downside is I dunno about the price. I mean, I just don’t know.
A few other things. I second the above vote re: who cares who makes the Spidey and X-Men movies. If their profitable, Disney gets a cut with no up-front monies spent. And how long will Columbia and Rupert make unprofitable movies to keep rights? Or be unwilling to sell them to Disney?
I also expect Marvel to be treated like Pixar: Used by Disney but otherwise left free to do their thing.
I would like to see big ass bonuses to go to the old guys, Kirby, Ditko, Romita, Colan, et ano (or their estates). Without them….
Finally, I’m sure Disney could make the Siegel and Shuster estates really nice offers for ownership or liberal license to that guy i the red cape….
I predict some really cool Marvel rides at the Disney theme parks at some point
i hate this ive been a fan of marvel all my life stan lee rocks but this is so bs. disney seems to have a age limit to there fanbase. marvel seems to also. has anyone read a spiderman hardback. they pertray venom as eating splens. IS THIS DISNEY MATERIAL!? i think not. im just saying two diffrent fan bases.