
TUESDAY 12:30AM UPDATE: I’ve learned that both Jay Leno and the Guild investigating panel asked WGAw President Patric Verrone among others to make the final report public, including full transcripts of the hearing. But Verrone et al refused. So why was the Guild’s excuse “confidentiality” since Leno willingly waived his? Or was Verrone more concerned that his own questionable conduct would be exposed?
MONDAY 6:30PM UPDATE: Prompted by my post today, the Writers Guild, West, finally released its trial committee report after refusing to do so because of “confidentiality”. So why now? Only because I was releasing some of its findings — among them that Jay Leno had been unanimously cleared. The WGAw report determined that the Guild owed Leno a public apology because Jay had been “done a disservice and his reputation harmed by these proceedings”. I believe that the WGAw was purposely withholding this report because it presented President Patric Verrone in a bad light, which would have been damaging during the Guild elections. I can report that a key person complicit in this was WGAw staffer Neil Sacharow, who in my opinion should be fired. It was Sacharow who phoned me in consternation after seeing my midday advisory that my WGA vs Leno reporting was about to post.
(More on the report below).
MONDAY 12:30 PM: Few issues during the November 2007/February 2008 writers strike stirred as much anger and emotion as whether WGA member Jay Leno violated Guild strike rules during his return to hosting The Tonight Show. The WGAw’s investigation into what Leno did and not do was conducted with the utmost secrecy during and after the strike. It was only 18 months after the strike, on August 11th, that Hollywood found out that the union had cleared Leno of all charges – and only then because his name did not appear on the press release detailing who had been charged by the trial committees. Now I have been asked by sources close to Jay Leno to relay the information to Hollywood that he was unanimously cleared by his peers at the Writers Guild, which certainly puts a different complexion on the ugly face of strike-breaking. [I have asked the WGAw to confirm this and am waiting for its response.] “I have no problem with them bringing charges. But the unfair part is that when you’re innocent, because of all the secrecy, no one shakes your hand and says, ‘Welcome back into the fold’,” Leno was quoted by my sources as saying. These sources tell me that Jay maintained throughout the investigation by the WGA trial committee that “they [Guild officials] really told me I could do my monologue” and claims 17 writers testified to that effect. Leno also had “the man who wrote the law” come in and testify that hosts of late night shows had the right under an AFTRA clause allowing performers to write material that they perform. Jay also denied working with scabs and maintained he turned off the fax machines. Instead, he told the trial committee that he ”went through 17 years of material and rewrote that.” In his defense, Leno testified at one point, “in a business as transparent as this, you can’t get away with anything.”
I don’t understand why Leno himself won’t go public with this news. Because it might go a long way to healing the wounds created during the strike when almost every working writer except Jay’s own staff was hating on him. And that animus has only intensified since the Jay Leno Show was announced because writers blame him and the network for stripping NBC’s schedule of 5 hours of scripted primetime programming a week and thus depriving scores of WGA members of badly needed jobs. Leno is looking for absolution from his Guild peers. He’s telling my sources, ”I understand why these guys are still mad at me. I know what the animosity is about. But, if I wasn’t on, NBC would still program 5 nights a week of Dateline or Biggest Loser. As it is my show has 22 WGA writers who are working in the top 5% in terms of pay for 46 weeks a year. For whatever reason, the network doesn’t want more scripted drama. So The Closer, The Shield, Burn Notice, all these wonderful shows are on cable.”
I do feel that Deadline Hollywood owes Leno an apology, so even though he has never asked me for one, I offer it to him now. I chronicled Leno’s many visits to the picket lines, often with cups of Starbucks and boxes of donuts, in the first months of the strike when The Tonight Show was dark. But I became one of his harshest critics after he went back to work in early January 2008. That’s when the rumors began flying.
My email box became filled with allegation after allegation of strike-breaking by Leno. Soon after, WGA members brought formal complaints against Jay of violating guild rules against writing for struck companies, and the Guild’s Strike Rules Compliance Committee (SRCC) began its investigation. Leno became the only one of the late night hosts who faced a review which focused specifically on how he was able to keep doing his nightly monologue. He was questioned at length on two occasions in February and June by a WGA West trial committee, which consisted of 5 rank-and-file guild members. The final decisions on the penalties recommended by the trial committees rested with the WGA West board of directors.
I recall that during the strike, there were so many rumors about Leno and the WGA that it became impossible for me to check out each of them. One of the most persistent was that WGA West President Patric Verrone had previously worked for Jay on The Tonight Show and therefore given him a “pass” for the monologue. While Verrone had indeed worked for The Tonight Show long ago, it had been for host Johnny Carson, not Leno. I can report that, at one point, members of one late night show’s writing staff contacted me because they’d heard directly from a writer in the room when Verrone met with Leno ostensibly regarding Letterman getting that WGA waiver for Worldwide Pants (because Dave owned his and Craig Ferguson’s late night shows, while Leno worked for NBC) and to tell the Guild he was being pressured by NBC to go back to work. It was claimed Leno matter-of-factly told Verrone that he was going to be writing his own monologue once back on the show. The writer in the room claimed Verrone seemed fine with it. Rumors also reached me that one of the late night producers had called Verrone to complain, and that Verrone had told him the union would not go after Jay. That is until I broke the story of the Leno-Verrone meeting, and then “Verrone had to pretend to be outraged,” the sources told me.
At the time, tempers were high within the late night world. And everyone inside it was furious with the WGA for seeming to not take any action against all the hosts who’d returned tp work, but especially against Leno. “The union has demonstrated to every striking writer that there is no punishment for violating their rules, opening the door for across-the-board scabbing,” one late night writer wrote me. “Verrone has put his personal relationships ahead of the cause.” There was even a call for Patric to step down.
The reason why the situation reached critical mass around Leno was because Jay had been a credited member of The Tonight Show writing staff for most of his tenure behind the desk. And, as such, had by Guild rules to put his pen down and not hire scabs and not ask his writing staff to perform work while the strike was on. It didn’t matter that on the air that first night back, Jay respectfully acknowledged the worthiness of the WGA’s demands. But at the same time he admitted his own strike-breaking creative process whereby “I write jokes and wake my wife up” in order to try them out on her. That’s why, on January 3rd, the WGA told Leno that he violated its rules by penning and delivering punch lines in his monologue.
Many of the rumors also centered around Jay’s staff of writers, who were regularly walking the picket line while the accusations flew. Head writer Joe Medeiros, also a respected strike captain for the WGA, would deny the allegations, insisting that he and the writing staff were not preparing material for Leno as some maintained. In fact, Joe sent a letter to the WGA strike captains on January 8th, 2008, that read: “No Tonight Show writers have been, are, or will be writing jokes or anything else for Jay Leno or The Tonight Show during tis strike.” And still the rumors kept on spreading. Madeiros also claimed that Jay was not receiving material from scab writers even though it’s widely alleged in the writing community and comedic circles that he “undermines” the WGA through his use of hundreds of freelance writers who are non-Guild (and who send in their stuff via those infamous Tonight Show fax machines). While most of the late night hosts use some freelance material, it’s claimed that sometimes over half of Leno’s Tonight Show was penned by freelancers who earn money that is not subject to guild pension and health payments. Instead, Medeiros insisted that Jay was simply recycling old material from past monologues and just updating it. And he refuted claims circulating that he or the writing staff or Leno had ever considered going fi-core.
Today, I can state that the trial committee report on the Leno case details most of what I was able to confirm amid all the rumors and posted during the strike (see links below): how at that meeting with WGA leadership on Dec. 31, 2007, Leno was told by Verrone that the guild was grateful for Leno’s public support of the strike and that he would not face disciplinary action for writing his monologue since Jay was being pressured by NBC to return to work. (I’m told that nearly all of Leno’s writers who were at the meeting, as well as WGA executive director Dave Young, and even Patric Verrone, gave written or verbal testimony — under oath — to this.)
But it was only after protests from furious WGA members over the Guild allowing Leno to write during the strike that Verrone told Leno to stop penning his own material, according to the report. Leno was described as ”stunned” by Verrone’s reversal and ignored the warning. A week later, WGA executive director Dave Young called Leno to warn him again. Young also claimed the AFTRA clause did not apply to Leno. As a result, Jay replied that he “might have to resign” from the WGA, the report said.
But the trial committee disagreed with the WGA’s interpretation of the AFTRA clause and decided it did indeed cover Leno. “The wording of the exception seems quite clear to us,” the report states.
Leno also was given conflicting information by Verrone and Young that the WGA would not cut an interim agreement with Letterman’s Worldwide Pants, but then did on Dec. 28, 2007.
Even more damning, the report found that Verrone did not keep his promise made in the presence of Big Media CEOs Peter Chernin and Bob Iger who were negotiating to end the strike with the WGA bigwigs, as well as the AMPTP’s Carol Lombardini, that Leno would not be brought up on WGAw charges. Verrone told the trial committee that he never communicated that discussion to the WGAw board or the strike rules committee and that he felt it wasn’t in his “purview” to do so.
Given the circumstances, the trial committee cited the public apology as the way to clear Leno’s name and the “adverse stigma” which followed him from the charges. ”We know there was no ill intent on anyone’s part in this dispute but feel Mr. Leno’s reputation and solid service as a loyal union member have been damaged in the eyes of many not knowing the facts as we do.”
So the WGAw did conduct an investigation, and it cleared Leno. Like it or not, that chapter of the strike story is now closed. Get over it. But what WGA members should not put behind them is that their Guild didn’t want them to know the details of its own Leno-related screwups because of this September’s election. As someone who has urged the Hollywood unions again and again to practice transparency, I believe the withholding of this trial report should not be tolerated.
- Part IV: NBC Rejects WGA’s Investigation Of Jay
- Part III: Jay Threatened Fi-Core; WGA Action Against Leno
- Part II: WGA Denies Jay Had Union OK And Verrone ”Look The Other Way”
- Part I: SO WHAT’S THE REAL STORY? NBC Claims Jay Had WGA OK For Monologue
- NBC: Leno Can Write His Monologue; WGA: He Can’t But We Don’t Want War
- War With WGA Over Leno Writing Monologue! Controversy Over Strike Breaking
- WGA Agrees To Allow Dave’s Late Night Shows To Return With Writers Jan. 2
Editor-in-Chief Nikki Finke - tip her here.







An apology? Are U kidding? Leno hasn’t written a joke since WW2. He’s completely dependent on scab writers. That’s how he got through the strikes and he will continue to do it because the WGA is too craven and corrupt to stop him. What a scam. I’m glad I’m not a member.
Dear “I hate cops and lawyers”,
Yeah, I do too.
But you do understand that TV is a business, right? And, that most of the top rated shows are franchise shows. And, that one of the revenue streams for television is the ability to repeat programming which really only works with closed-ended procedurals.
And, I don’t think you are correct that “everybody in North America is sick of cops n lawyers.” Have you seen the ratings? Also, why are writers who write those shows “lazy”? That makes no sense at all.
It’s really tricky to launch inventive shows – Kings being the most recent example. That’s not to say the writers and networks should not keep trying but unless you are bankrolling these TV shows yourself, you obviously need to be aware of the business model and how the business works. So until AMERICA stops watching procedurals, there will be cops and lawyers and doctors. Duh.
Emotional posts about YOUR taste that have no real world application are kind of embarrassing.
Not only does Jay Leno deserve a public apology from Patrick Verrone, we all do for being mislead over this case and in so many other instances. Let’s move forward with John Wells.
I’m not defending the guild. And would never defend Verrone, whose slate deserves to go down in the next election, way down in the gutter where he lives and breaths.
But, come on Nikke. To post on your site that a staffer should be fired just because you said he called you in consternation. For hundreds of years, journalists have taken criticism. It’s unethical, and in this case might even be illegal, for you to single him out and damage his character and credibility.
What made it worse is that you never came back to the subject of this guy and tried to put any proof to the pudding you made.
“A key person complicit in withholding the report” are your words. If Patrick tells a staffer not to give out a report, the staffer is simply doing his job.
Blame Patrick, but don’t crap on the WGA staffers. The staffers help to hold the WGA together. They are there for all of us WGA members when we call. Not only are they doing their jobs well. But, with cutbacks, they are not doing their jobs and that of others.
The only staffer related complaint should be that Patrick and Elias laid off 20 of them, some who worked there for over a decade, without first telling the members. Some of us would have liked to have said goodbye to people we saw so regularly. Some of us might even have known of jobs for them, or could have provided references and referrals.
But, of course, Patrick thinks the staffers and the WGA members are all there to serve him. When we vote him out, maybe he’ll finally realize that the opposite is true.
Dear Max:
I’m sorry you find my comments embarrassing and insensitive to ALL wGA members. I never met anybody before who spoke for ALL wga members.
All I was called upon was to listen to testimony as to whether Leno was guilty of violating strike rules. It’s about facts.
If you think it’s a ‘big if’ — I would suggest you come forward with your facts. The Guild had plenty of opportunity to present their case that supported your contention and they didn’t or couldn’t do it. Now it’s your turn.
I wasn’t called upon to judge whether he committed other ‘transgressions’ or even whether he’s a good comedian.
It’s nice to know ‘Max’ you never heard of me. I know lots of ‘Max’s’ — how easy it is to spout whatever you want anonymously.
But I totally understand your anger. I came into the process wanting to hang Jay Leno, but then I heard the facts. Had I not been privy to the facts I’d be angry too.
Bill Taub
Now, I understand why some of you still have so much bitterness over the strike. Like me, some of you have barely worked since the strike and are sick of all this business destroying crap that’s gone on. But it seems like some of you are so angry and bitter that you can’t even look at the facts straight.
A WGA Hearing committee cleared Leno. But the board kept it quiet and he stays the villain. Get mad at the leaders. Leno did nothing wrong under WGA rules. You don’t like the rules, try to change them. There’s alot about this situation to get mad at or about. Leno’s not one of them.
As far as insinuating that Leno’s show is mostly written by freelancers, think realistically about how that would work. A joke gets faxed in. Someone’s got to read it and if it’s good someone has to make it fit into the show. That someone is probably one of Jay’s 20 guild writers. Jay can’t just sit by the fax collecting jokes and then go do the show. I’m sure alot more goes into crafting a show than that.
Best of luck
My definition of these posters:
Liberals finally hear the truth and acknowledge the mistakes
right wingers: The facts be damned. we have our own truth.
So… it’s the right wingers who support the Unionists Verrone and Young, and the liberals who side with mega-wealthy Jay Leno and the rule of law?
Holy Christ, I’m a liberal!
wow, how truth is in the eyes of the viewer. Mr. disgruntled viewer as I see it my definition of these posters:
right wingers: finally hear the truth and call it as it is.
Liberals still whine because the truth doesn’t fit their agenda.
I guess that makes about as much sense as yours.
Why does everything have to be political? And of course, everything has to be political to fit the agenda of the particular poster.
Aren’t we supposed to write entertainment???
Well, your scenario works just as well. As for it being political, of course it is. This whole thing is political. That’s the unfortunate reality.
And yes, writers are supposed to write entertainment…………and millions of viewers wish they were!
Bill Taub:
Thank you for your comments, your service, your honesty and your willingness to brave anonymous slings and arrows.
You did a good thing for someone who is, by all rational accounts, a good man.
Thank you.
Exactly…the 10 pm hour is shrinking each and every year, in a few years look for more and more Dateline, PrimeTime Live, you can only push the cops and lawyers crap so far, remember in the 50′s just a few channels existed, now viewers have choices.
WGA…. SAG….. Watch out or you’ll be another UAW.
Max,
I was on the committee with Bill Taub, and can only second his comment that it was one hell of an education. I would recommend that anyone who has the time read the transcripts.
The committee was charged specifically with determining whether or not Jay Leno was guilty of breaking the strike rules. It was, in many ways, like a jury trial. We were instructed to leave our prejudices at the door, and base their decision solely on the evidence being presented in the room. We did. We were there. You were not.
You say there’s a lot of sentiment in the leadership that Leno violated the rules. It was not our job to enforce sentiment. It was our job to determine facts. If those sentiments had been backed up with anything resembling facts, Max, I assure you the outcome would have been quite different.
We were not charged with protecting the good name of writers. We were not charged with carrying out the demands of your rage. We were not charged with making an example of Leno. We were charged with determining the facts, and making a decision based on them. We did.
We came to a unanimous conclusion based on evidence that was presented. You were not there. I don’t give a damn if he’s a friend to the writer or the second coming of Nick Counter. That wasn’t what the committee was charged with determining. I don’t care if he sets fire to kittens or eats babies, or cheats at canasta. We were not being asked to judge any of these things. We were asked to judge whether or not he had violated the strike rules. He did not.
Like Bill, and like you, I walked into it with a strong sense that Leno had scabbed during the strike. Like Bill, and like you, I was out on the lines every single day during the strike, and I heard all the same rumors you did. Like Bill, I walked in with a strong commitment to do right by the process we’d been charged to oversee. Like Bill – and unlike you – I know all the facts that were presented in that room.
The committee was made up of a good cross section of working writers. If we all had one thing in common, it was a passion to do right by our union. When the proceedings were done, we went back into our room, and the question was asked – does anyone here have any doubts at all about their verdict? The answer was no.
As the proceedings went on and on and on, it became clear to all of us that Leno was completely innocent of the charges that had been brought against him. By the time they were done, there was no doubt in anyone’s mind.
I am not qualified to comment on other charges people here want to levy against the man. I don’t know him, I don’t work in TV, and it’s not relevant to the question here. If you think you know something that’s actionable, I suggest you take action. But I AM qualified – more than all but a handful of people – to discuss what happened during this trial, and I can assure you that the Guild’s case against Leno couldn’t hold a drop of water.
In that it was widely known that there was a hearing going on, we demanded that the Guild release the results immediately. Every day that went by after we’d reached our verdict was a day we were all complicit in smearing the name of an innocent man. The board decided against us, and we were told to keep the matter in confidence. Were I in Leno’s shoes, I’d be furious. In an actual trial, you learn the results immediately. I think it’s apalling that Leno wasn’t informed of our decision on the spot. We were told to keep the matter in strict confidence, and we did. For that, I wish to personally apologize to Mr. Leno. For everything else, I stand firm in my conviction that the WGAw owes Jay Leno an apology.
Josh Olson
Bill Taub:
Ignore the haters. Thank you for getting the truth out there. Something that Verrone/Davis don’t seem interested in doing unless forced.
The white background doesn’t show up behind the text, so I can’t read your posts!! Running Internet Explorer 6.0, work comp… ANd when I click into a post, it take a loooong time to load.
Love DHD, but pls get the Jackos at Mail.com to fix, else u gonna start losing readers!!
ok the white bkgd just showed up after I posted a comment!~!!
Verrone may be guilty of using the wrong forum in an attempt to right the numerous attrocities Leno has committed against the Guild over the years. Verrone’s heart appears to be in the right place. This is like the Feds trying to put John Gotti away for the one thing he didn’t do.
Leno is the Teflon Don of Hollywood. My apologies to the Mob for the Leno comparison.
If you read the post by the committee member above, Elias’ name didn’t even come up. Don’t punish him at the ballot box. This should have no bearing on the election. And I say that with an open mind. I lean toward Wells.
First of all: it’s utterly ridiculous to blame Leno for NBC’s decision to cut out 10 PM programming in favor of putting him back on the air. That’s the network’s decision, and it still employs writers. This is like blaming today’s highest-paid screenwriters for the glut of sequels and remakes coming out of the studios. The writers don’t decide which films get made or shows get aired; the companies decide, and then the writers take whatever jobs are available. But sure, let’s keep up the complaining and give the networks even more reason to find ways to eliminate scripted programming from TV.
Second of all: I am not a fan of Jay Leno. I will not be watching the show. I don’t like his humor and I don’t like his politics. I think the last time he was funny was around 1996. (He apparently knows this too, since I saw his stand-up act a few years ago and most of the jokes were from around then.) But what the Guild did here is reprehensible. They tried to have it both ways… publicly act like they were taking Jay to the woodshed, then privately appease him since they didn’t actually have the power or the cojones to do anything. Nikki certainly bears some responsibility for fanning the flames. Her reporting during the strike blurred the line between news and propaganda into oblivion.
The strike rules and their interpretation may be ambiguous, but in the end, Jay, as he always does, made himself the good guy/victim, put his needs ahead of the needs of his writers and his network ahead of his own union. Nowhere was that more evident than on Night #1, when he came and back said words to the effect of “17 people are holding up the jobs of 200 people.” That anyone is apologizing to him now is no less ironic that Dick Cheney’s hunting buddy coming out of the hospital and apologizing for being shot.
Leno found innocent of wrongdoing by his “peers”… So was O.J. Just because you’re found “innocent” it doesn’t make you not guilty. All it means is, “you got off.”
@Max – I don’t get it. The GUILD’S OWN TRIAL COMMITTEE found Leno innocent – said he DIDN’T BREAK ANY STRIKE RULES. When is this going to be good enough for you people? You are literally throwing due process out the window. This sounds like some banana republic dictatorship or something. You want to condemn people even though a trial of our peers found them innocent, and the other guy wants to publish people’s names who were also found innocent -when does it end? And by the way, Bill Taub is a guy who’s had dozens of produced television credits over the years. I don’t know him but a simple trip to IMDB told me that. But this is typical of the vitriol on these boards, particularly by Elias supporters – when rational argument fails, resort to insults and ad hominem attacks.
BTW – I am somebody who likes and respects both sides and hasn’t made up his mind for whom I’m going to vote – but I have to be honest and say that in the vile, offensive, divisive and generally unworthy category, Elias supporters outweigh Wells supporters by about 30 to 1 on these boards. And you do your candidate a huge disservice in the process.
As for @Paint the town Red – your name pretty much says it all, doesn’t it?
Our beloved union is turning into sag – a joke. The amptp won’t have to divide us next time – Verrone et al have already done it.
VOTE THEM OUT!
Thanks Taub for your honest report.
Once again, Leno has proven that he can cheat writers and get away with it. And in doing so, gets the cowardly WGA to apologize to him, the biggest scab of all. He hasn’t written a joke on his own since before he got his TV gig, but did the WGA check that out? Nope, they let him wiggle through the loophole while ripping off hungry freelancers from coast to coast. Then Jay buys off picketers with a couple pieces of pizza. The whole thing is funnier than anything that will ever come out of his mouth, no matter who writes it. Why doesn’t the WGA just dismantle? It’s corrupt.
SD,
Like Bill, I understand the outrage some people here are expressing. As I said, we were charged with looking at the facts and coming to a conclusion based on those. We did. You did not. If you want to believe we came to the wrong decision, that’s your right. However, if you wish to call me corrupt, it would be tad less craven if you’d do it under color of your real name.
You were not there. Quite simply, you do not know what you’re talking about.
I never thought I’d see the day when a member of a Guild committee would apologize to someone like a Jay Leno in such groveling fashion. What are your plans for the weekend, Mr. Traub? Baking a cake for John Ridley?
Let me see if I have the gist of the article. Nikki feels compelled to apologize to Jay Leno because he didn’t break union rules. The same union which gives preferential treatment to one of it’s more powerful members(Leno). Maybe the Jay should not have been judged by his peers but an arbitrator or outside panel with no ties to the Union. The WGA clearing of Leno won’t change public opinion because how they came to their decision also lacks transparency. This is like crooks running the jails , oh wait that is already happening.
Josh and Bill Taub,
My contempt is not directed so much at the verdict, but at the apology. However, re: the verdict, if you examine a tape of Leno’s show from the night in question I’ll bet you’ll find several topical, fresh, days old humorous references in those jokes that were culled from “17 years of doing shows.” You did examine tapes of the shows in question, right? And the remarks about events of the day…? You explain those away how?
I saw the short list of writers the committee did find guilty. They included a non-member, a guy in the Midwest I believe, although it may have been somewhere in the South, struggling to break in. A wannabe. He wrote something during the strike and submitted it. I think you banned him for life, right? Sure, you had no choice, that guy, he was dangerous.
That said, I think John Wells and Elias Davis are both good men, and this whole debate should really matter little. I hate to see others apply their agendas to an event that has little bearing on the election.
Well now, Max, you see here’s the problem when you don’t know the facts. How do I explain it? Very simply…
Mr. Leno said he was up-dating old jokes, he didn’t say he was repeating them. There was even a reference to up-dating an old Bork joke.
Secondly, a video of Jay’s monologue from that first night back was put into evidence — the problem is — we subsequently learned, as has been reported by DHD and elsewhere, that Patric Verrone told Jay he could do it. (He was for it before he was against it.) — So Jay couldn’t possibly have been in violation of anything that first night because he had Guild approval.
You can’t be guilty of something you were told you could do by the people who then want to say you’re guilty. That’s how I explain it.
It’s exactly for questions like these, which I would ask myself if I hadn’t been there, that I have asked the Guild to release the transcript. Or let me go through it and pull out the passages that support the verdict. So far, they refuse to do either.
But keep working it…
@ Comment by Ridiculous — September 8, 2009 @ 10:37 am
Yeah well, don’t toot your horn just yet. The posts were also leaning towards a no to that SAG contract.
“Cheats at canasta” Oh, how I LOVE my writers.