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I’ve been given the U.S. exclusive look at the trailer for Oliver Stone’s new documentary South of the Border which is sharply critical of the U.S. media’s coverage of Venezuelan president Hugo Chavez and 6 other Latin American leaders. Stone will personally premiere the film at the Venice Film Festival this Monday:
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Looks cool, low-budg. I dig it!
Your are an idiot! Do you even know what the word “socialist” means??? Look it up
You are so stupid. North Americans think know the problems of your backyard: The South America? The most part of the U.S people dont know where stay Venezuela. Think the capital of Brasil is Buenos Aires.
Wake up. Stop dremaming with your first million. 99% of you even near of this will be.
Solcilism, is a solution, not just for teh “3º wolrd”, but at your faleid and stupid economy.
Read more people. Read the classics. Forget what your newspapaer said. Socialism is not share the misery, is to build a betheer future, not just for the 5% of the people, like capitalism do, but for all.
Read more people.
Cristiano Freitas Cezar
Silvânia-Goiás-Brasil
You REally are an IDIOT!!! Are you A F@**ng Chavista??? I hope all of you arsehole die!!!
Read? Why don’t you learn to speak English first. This post makes no sense at all.
Chavez is strangling and silencing the press, he just passed a law criminalizing any and all
demonstrations against him. Television stations are closed down if anything is said against him.
Only one basic network television station remains that is not government run and the only reason that is still running is because they have agreed to say nothing negative about Chavez. One cable station
that has remained open and continues to tell the truth about his unquenchable thirst for power is
constantly being harassed, One of it’s owners was just recently jailed on trumped up charges and
Chavez continually warns them that he is going to close them down. I can go on and on but somehow these rich Hollywood film makers find a way to defend this! If this happened to their country they would be up in arms. But this is a case of pure racism. It’s okay for others to live this way because they are not American white people.
oh my god…you people really need to wake up! america smashed against the wall with 200 mp/h economically and still you show no signs of stepping off the gas pedal. this our world won’t function if only a few have the wealth and the influence over our resources…in previous situations like these things happened like the french or AMERICAN revolution…but this time it’s on a more global scale.
btw. the trailer got me pretty interested. looks like stone hit the nail again.
Yes MR Chavez is not a “democrat”, nor is a “republican” he is clearly a “person who would like to be a king” but perhaps under the KING OF SPAIN, who he “just visited” not the “masonic kings” that rule in this nation under God!
So he is called a “military dictator” and perhaps that is what he is, he also claims to be “THE PEOPLE” that is typical for kings, for so also Louis the 14th called himself:
L’etat c’est moi, he said and that means I am the state, well “Hugo Chavez” goes further he says:
I am the people, that is the sovereign of the nation is it not?
lol You have no idea what you are saying. RCTV, Globovision, Venevision they are still broadcasting and they are still against CHAVEZ. What network media has he close? you are talking nonsense. Go to the website of those channels and you will see they are still broadcasting. Before you comment you should get your facts right
Why don’t you learn portuguese and reply to him in his own language after he took the trouble to learn English.
Jesus man – educate yourself!
When I see people babbling on about How socialism is the answer and that are economy is the problem. Hmm, they obviously have no understanding on how capitalism works and should not even be commenting on something that they obviously have no idea about. It was not until bush and now obama made capitalism did not work. You cant involve government money in the private sector. That is called socialism, in capitalism you mess up you pay for it, now its mess up and your tax dollars pay for it. Now if you think about that, it shouldn’t make any sense to you. And back to the comment saying we are stupid, well if it wasn’t for America and its economy and if the majority of your fellow citizens agree with you then your country will never advance, because with out us you would probably be still using horses, that’s if you ever figured out how the wheel worked. Capitalism gave us the greatest inventions ever, now if you don’t agree then you need to learn how function properly before you hurt yourself.
President Chávez: Thousands of’em hate you; millions of us, love you !
Congratulations Oliver and welcome to the south of the border !
Globovision and RCTV no longer broadcast with an open signal. Only trough cable, now the people have to pay to watch these channels.
The government confiscated RCTV equipments. All the media workers of these TV stations live under siege just because they inform the truth.
Remember, Oliver Stones specializes in fictional movies. If you still believe in what Oliver Stone portrays in his “documental” go live in Venezuela without a boyguard and a bullet-proof car. Just try to walk in the streets with a nice pair of NIKE shoes!You wouldn’t last a day!
Just remember one thing, Chavez is not Venezuela. Venezuelans do not like him. NEVER BELIEVE WHAT CHAVEZ SAYS!!!!!
I am totally disgusted with Oliver Stone. To spend a few days
with Chavez and then paint a pretty picture of him is upsetting.
Did he bother to get information of all the industries he has
destroyed or taken over that now there is not even milk in my country. Did he bother to get information on the people under arrest because of oposite views. Did he bother to check the trumpt charges against the oposition where many could not register to vote on the last election. The millions that Chavez is giving to
Cuba in unpaid oil, and which Venezuela is unlikely to collect.
The millions he has spent on all the elections of his “socialist” cronies. Please get your facts and then make a documentary, by what little I saw of your preview you are showing a propaganda fiction. Needless to say you will never get one single cent from me.
You don’t get it. Oliver Stone approves of the thuggery of Chavez. That’s how the Left is. They can’t admit it openly except among themselves, but they really admire leaders who destroy freedom in the name of the People.
You realy dnt’t know anything about anything that goes on in your own country chavez is the only solution that we venezuelan have the reason that we are where we are is because we had 50 years of people that call them self polititians and all they did was party away our money buy expensive homes in Miami and elsewhere and did not espend one cent in the countrys economy yeah we may have some corruption now but nothing compare wiht previus govermants and the money is been invested in the people and I mean the real people the poor people that you as a rich or middle class never see in the bubble that you lived and about the milk problem let me tell you this is created by the private sector mafia that they don’t like the fact that all the money is not going thrier way.
GREAT JOB MR OLIVER STONE OUR VOICE WILL HEARD
Can you read spanish if you do please check out this
http://www.telesurtv.net/noticias/secciones/nota/34606-NN/chavez-inaugura-planta-procesadora-de-leche/
Chavez has open a new plant to process milk in Venezuela because the transnational companies would not sell Venezuela milk because in Venezuela they regulate the profits. Which I think it is great because it is not fair that these companies take advantage of the people by dictating their prices
typical modern idiot: “looks cool” so it must be truth.
i dont care what these internet bloggers opinions are i just need a deadline for when this movie will be released in NYC. WHEN DOES IT COME OUT OR WHERE CAN I BUY IT!
Is this Wall Street 2?
It’s easy to be a socialist from a distance when you’re rich and drive a Mercedes Benz.
Mr. Stone has lost all credibility with me. He knows nothing of the realities of Latin America, starting with the country of my parents’ birth, Cuba.
He should stick to making fictional movies, and leave his skewed political views to the side. Hugo Chavez is nationalizing every major insustry in Venezuela, and jailing on trumped up charges, all those who oppose him. He’s also changing the educational system in order to indoctrinate Venezuelan children to follow his new socialist model.
This is cause to celebrate the man? Sure, Oliver doesn’t care, he’s filthy rich.
Garbage. Elitist garbage.
Not to mention removing the law of Term Limits which means he can be President For Life and can fix any and all elections without fear of ever being “termed out”.
What about the changes in the constitution of the Dominican Republic, allowing for indefinite reelection of the president, or in Colombia, allowing the for the same, that does not seem to bother the Elite or the media in the US, maybe, just maybe, they are aligned with the Elite in the US. Pure coincidence.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/spanish/latin_america/newsid_4358000/4358500.stm
http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-175283866.html
i am sorry to have to point out that you are an idiot.
Excellent commenT Rguimaraes. Way to articulate why he’s wrong. You’re so smart!
Having lived in a socialist country (Australia), for 20 years, I have to laugh at the ignorance of americans who toss the ‘S’ word around like it’s evil. Look at the list of countries with the highest standard of living…the top 5 are socialist. Capitalism = greed and lack of concern for your fellow countryman, as seen by the screaming, lying republicans scaremongers, horrified that everyone might have health care. This country is going down the tubes, and you conservatives might well be shocked to learn that ‘God’ ISN’T on your side. Hypocrites.
yep. I live in the US and I don’t think it can be saved despite anyone’s best intentions. There is too much hate, greed, selfishness, and lack of personal responsibility. From the way we perceive ourselves to the food we eat, our country is headed towards its downfall.
Socialism is bad for Americans. It runs counter to our nature. Australians, New Zealanders, and Canadians can never understand the fundamental nature of Americans because they’ve never had the backbone to free themselves of their colonizers. It’s in your nature as an Australian to let the collectivist state dictate their lives to them, but not in ours. Our nation was founded on the idea that the individual decides what is best for himself/herself, not the state. We were founded on the concept of liberty, not on enriching the empire of a foggy gray island off the coast of France. For Americans to surrender their rights of self-determination is about as appealing as having pictures of some old English broad on our money.
As for the other poster bemoaning a lack of “personal responsibility,” as socialist state is certainly not a fix for that. Socialism serves to infantilize a populace, making them dependent and weak-minded. Louisiana has run a collectivist state that encourages state dependency, and look at what happened during Hurricane Katrina: “Why didn’t the government rescue me? Why didn’t the government tell me to leave? Why isn’t the government bringing me food? Why hasn’t the government fixed my house yet?” Socialism will turn America into a nation of mush-brained kindergartners unable to do anything for themselves other than cash a welfare check.
Yep, America…one nation, under gun.
One nation under GOD with the right to own guns. Unlike in communists country.
It that is what it takes, so be it!
It is unfortunate that we Australians have as you say “never had the backbone” to free ourselves from the British Monarchy. I personally would love to get rid of the Queen as our head of state and create a republic, but unfortunately whenever we hold a referendum on the issue (the last one being about 10 years ago) the monarchy supporters point to the US and say “do you really want us to end up like them?” and of course the referendum fails.
It’s pretty obvious the democratic process is long dead in the US with corporations owning Washington lock stock and barrel. The US was founded on the concept of liberty and justice but somewhere along the way transformed into a weapons factory with the morals of a Wall St corporation.
I was so hopeful when Obama took office that corporations would lose their iron grip on power but ignoring Obama’s image and judging him on his actions, he’s just as a big a Wall St shill as Bush.
As an American you have to realise that your hatred of communism and socialism has been ingrained in you through your media probably since the day you were born. The idea that everyone should be treated equally and that resources should be shared equally are not that abhorrent. Of course you’ve been told that the sky will fall and everyone will turn into stupid lazy unmotivated zombies under a more socialist system by the people with the most to lose if it happens. Unfortunately you don’t realise you already live in a country of ignorant zombies thanks to people like my once fellow countryman Rupert Murdoch and his disgraceful media empire. Now he’s an American citizen you really should trial him for treason. Fox news has done more damage to your country than Bin Laden ever could.
Anyway, Buddha bless the Internet so that we can all connect to each other and share our opinions and give each other a different perspective on things. It’s great that mainstream media has finally lost it’s stranglehold on our minds. Let’s hope it’s not fleeting.
I am a Cuban American, I was born in Cuba and the notion of everyone being equal is a farce. Have you seen the way Raul Castro or Chavez, or Fidel live, their clothing? That’s not what the people have, the people lack the bare necessities of life.
Here in this “wicked United States of America” EVERYONE HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO SUCCEED!!!! EVERYONE HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK, AND EXPRESS THEIR OPINION. If you socialism lovers, (and I may add you have no idea what the hell you are talking about) would live in a country like Cuba, like USSR was, like China, like Venezuela now, you would not be able to write all the stupidity you are writing, first because you would not have a computer, and second if you did, it would be monitored and sensored, and you could go to jail. I know what it is to have a ration book and get one pair of shoes a year, and when your turn comes up they ran out. I know what it is to go to sleep with the only thing to eat was a piece of old bread and a glass of sugar water. And I may add I know what it is to have your father and your mother taken to farms to do hard labor simply because they wanted to leave the country.
The system in the US may not be perfect, but as bad as it is, EVERYONE WANTS TO COME HERE, I don’t see people taking rafts to go to Cuba, or jumping fences to get into Venezuela.
Cuba was a flourishing country, today if you are one of the equals, el pueblo, the hospitals do not have sheets for you, there is no coffee, no salt, etc… IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT I TELL YOU, YOU WON’T BELIEVE ME. IT HAS TO BE SUFFERED. THOUSANDS HAVE DIED TO FIGHT IT, AND THOUSANDS ARE IN JAILS FOR NOT AGREEING WITH IT, OR FOR BUYING A POUND OF COFFEE OR MEAT TO FEED THEIR KIDS IN THE BLACK MARKET.
Oliver Stone is sooo stupid, saying that he just found nations that just want to manage their own resources. What a joke, they want to steal everything from the people, so they can enjoy it themselves like Castro has done. And by the way, my family was a working family, they were not rich. But in hindsight we were millionaires and we thought Castro was bringing “CHANGE” AND EQUALITY.
I’m sorry for you struggles.
I was born and bred in Australia and no doubt have one of the easiest existences on the planet so I definitely have a different perspective than you.
I have no doubt at all the reason the standard of living here is so high is because of our “socialist” social security system.
In Australia education and healthcare is free for people for can’t afford it, and generally the only people who live on the street are people who choose to. If you can’t find a job or can’t work due to injury the government will pay you indefinitely until you can.
It’s not perfect here. University education and Dentistry are not free, and as far as I’m concerned that’s a problem that needs to be addressed.
I don’t think it’s too much to ask in 2009 that every citizen should be free to live a healthy, educated life with adequate food, water and shelter.
The taxation levels here would give most Americans a heart attack but anyone with half a brain should be able to work out it’s worth it. Who wants to live in a country where a certain percentage of the population is starving and desperate? Most of the crime here is generally drug related, mainly due to the stupid drug laws our US loving moron politicians pass.
If I was in charge recreational drugs would be provided for free to addicts.
From your post I can see life in Cuba lacks some basic freedoms. That really sucks.
I’m sure you realise though that a major part of the reason life in Cuba is so tough is because of the crushing international sanctions the US has had against it for decades.
I’m afraid putting “wicked United States of America” in quotes doesn’t change the fact that most people who live in the developed world outside of the influence of the US propaganda machine are not OK with millions of dead Iraqi citizens for oil and weapons sales. Especially since the US don’t even officially bother to count Iraqi civilian deaths. Especially since they used the deaths of their own citizens to manufacture an excuse to invade in the first place. Most of us are fucking outraged actually. Most of us think Bush and his cronies are some of the most evil cunts to walk the Earth. Castro better try a bit harder if wants to have a shot at the title I’m afraid. He’s a rank amateur in the evil stakes. Who knows though…given an opportunity maybe he would be even worse.
At the end of the day it’s human nature that causes all of our problems.
If people could resist their flag waving, nationalistic, patriotic tendencies and instead always view their political parties with a critical eye and hold them to account and not let them get away with the shit they do we’d all be better off for it.
Anyway, that’s my perspective.
I could not have said it any better
To Clarify my previous reply for whom:
To Michael 3:45 posting
I could not have said it any better. Thanks! you made me feel good knowing that there are others that are not sheep, who’s perceptions are manipulated by the media. Only Sceptics will find the un-sanitized versions of true history. Noam Chomsky anyone?
WELL SAID!
Michael – I’m an American and have a hard time seeing the USA as a “capitalist” nation simply because we are so reliant on socialism as the backbone of our economy. The military-industrial complex is socialist. When I say that, people think I’m insulting the troops or calling them welfare queens, but that reflects a fundamental (and politicized) misunderstanding of capitalism vs. socialism. The military and its support industries are funded almost entirely by the taxpayers, and administrated by the government. This socialism touches almost every aspect of the economy, while fully employing tens of millions of people. Not just soldiers, military contractors, arms manufacturers, materiel manufacturers, companies like Haliburton that build infrastructure, companies that do research, transport troops, etc… it’s all government controlled and/or regulated, and taxpayer funded.
We are in many ways a socialist country. And our unique socialist structure requires wars, or the preparation for war against a feared enemy, to continue employing these people. Seriously, imagine what the unemployment rate would look like if the wars ended and all unnecessary personnel were laid off, 2/3 of the foreign bases closed, and we stopped weapons production for one year.
Now, I work in Latin America and think Hugo Chavez is… ugh, I really don’t like that guy. BUT, I don’t think he’s a dictator, or a danger to America, or arming FARC, or any of the stuff I see regularly in the US Press. Yes, he’s shut down some media outlets, which is one of the things I hate about him. But he’s an elected leader and gets a lot of feedback. And Correa? Or Kirshner? I think they’re both doing fine jobs. (Ortega not so much, and Evo annoys me, too.) And Lula is outstanding, he scares me a little because he’s creating the new USA, ie, the new power in the hemisphere, but he’s doing it by building a strong capitalist system that will outcompete ours. How? With a socialist infrastructure that helps Brazilians fairly efficiently, as opposed to our socialist infrastructure that has been plowed into the sands of Iraq.
Anyway, I’m interested to see this movie. I bet it will play well in Latin America. And you know, as the USA threatens to collapse into civil war, people down here are having peaceful elections and resolving their (significant!) differences without dragging AK47s to healthcare debates. See El Salvador for more on that. Peace preserves infrastructure and builds wealth. One exception to this trend is Honduras, which Glenn Beck and the military socialists are threatening to emulate. But really, take a look at Honduras. Is that what you want for the future of the USA? If so, you haven’t been to Tegucigalpa recently. What a mess.
I have to take some exceptions to your attitudes, yes, I am still somewhat of an individualist when it comes right down to it, and all that I can see that is “destroying the moral fiber” in this nation under God is the “pervading spirit of pessimism”, that is being “brought in” by the “robbery spirit” that is “like a trojan horse”, carried in the belly of this evil kingman fraternity also known as or aka the ORDERS OF FREEMASONRY who are all, sworn to secrecy about their “evil orders of kingcraft” under the threat of death, now if you want to hear the “giant sucking sound” of “departing money” that is heading to Switzerland from here, don’t get too close or the “money will deposit you also in a Swiss banking vault”, please forgive this sense of humor in this context, but you know perhaps what I am talking about, no individualistic enterprise, is about greed perhaps, and perhaps the mormons did the right thing when they decided to do things together but then they were “reprimanded” for being too “community oriented” but then again, there is nothing wrong with “individual enterprise” but Joseph Smith stated that “those who get together to work on a greater community goal” often receive greater blessings than those who merely seek to “promote their own welfare”!
Socialism is not bad, the same way that capitalism isn’t. What is bad are the intentions with a personal agenda like it is with Chavez. Brazilian president Lula is a great example of socialism in pro of the people, working for the rights and at the same time promoting and creating incentives for the industry. Stone’s view is very narrow since it’s very easy for him to judge others from a nice mansion in Brentwood, California. Ask the people living in poverty in Venezuela, ask the thousands of working class people that had to move to other countries because they simply couldn’t agree with the unfair politics of Chavez, leaving behind family members, years of efforts and dreams.
Chavez is just BS a the highest level. When someone gives away the oil of a country just to reach his own personal goals is just killing silently the future of a nation.
Socialism works in many ways and is not the evil perception of most americans, but the way Chavez handles it is far from fair. Today corruption and violence in Venezuela is the highest in its history. Hospitals don’t receive the support that Chavez promised, same with schools, and besides, all the intellectual groups are gone. The future is not only uncertain but dark.
Freedom of speech doesn’t exist anymore in Venezuela. Political prisoners increase every day.
Check this to see the reality of Venezuela:
Human Rights
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxUNCqZoqMA
Media censorship
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yegesq84hn0
No. Socialism is statist and anti-freedom at its root. To that extent it really is evil.
You know I agree with you.
I just wonder, how much Chavez had to pay Oliver. If he did not pay him, then he is one Stupid person.
And to anyone that thinks that what Chavez is doing is good; I challenge you to go live there for a year or a month and see how you like it.
Chavez has turned Venezuela’s people against each other.
And all those presidents of the other countries, most of them are on Chavez’s payroll. They simply could not say anything negative or they would stop receiving their money.
I just wish Chavez dies, very painfully.
Too bad that Mr.Oliver felt the need to create this documentary where shows Chavez as a “great president”…am sure he did not travel to the rural areas of Venezuela or had the opportunity to talk to the hardworking class people…well my guess will be “of course NO”
…to sad to think that,Mr.Oliver was probably controlled by Chavez during his visit to Venezuela…I wonder if Mr.Oliver forgot the meaning of “freedom”….or :”Human Rights”…
I could not have said it better. It is so EASY to go and spend a few weeks in the best hotels and restaurants in South-America and then come back to say everything is great with those “leaders”.
Chavez is just doing exactly what he said he would not do, take advantage of the Venezuelan people and creating a culture of hate among ourselves.
I wish somebody would take Mr. Stone in a “mototaxi” through the Venezuelan “cerros” to show him what poverty really is.
I was born and raised in Venezuela. I am by NO means rich. My parents are both educators and I just wish this nightmare called called Hugo Chavez and his Bolivarian Revolution would END soon so we can start working in rebuilding our country.
you want to talk about indoctrination? in the united states all the books we read in k-12 are all written by the same group of people with the same ideals, values and principles and interestingly enough, they all still look alike: white, male and rich! the history books that they write, since 1492, we read without having a say because if we dont we fail! if we dont read the books we are considered “troubled” children that fell through the cracks! the next time you talk about indoctrination consider the above!
There is indeed such a thing as “indoctrination” when it comes to being an “American citizen” and while I was not “indoctrinated” as a child, I was clearly indoctrinated as an adult with these words:
Shut up about our evil conspiracy of wicked kings of freemasonry for “look at Hugo Chavez” and his counterpart in Cuba, you don’t want to live there for they have no freedom whatsoever, and the answer of course is “no I want to not live under a wicked socialist dictatorship” any more than under a wicked fascist or kingmanship, to be frank I desire to be free from all these “wicked secret or open oppressors” and desire to “chart my own course in history” instead of repeating all the mistakes my ancestors already did once, therefore I now sponsor a “capitalist revolution” where people have enough property to “take care of themselves” and their own families and do not have to “cowtow” to any kings of freemasonry nor have to “worship any socialist elite” in order to get their “daily food” but can “obtain it” by
either working their own fields or their own businesses!
I go based on the scripture that it is not meet that “one man should possess above another” for this reason the world lieth in sin, and yes, if just “one or two or a conspiracy of wicked kingmen” control the wealth of world, wars are “unavoidable” for they are “too small” to keep everyone under control, so they use “military and police” to suppress the masses of mankind and use the fear of death that goes along with that!
Totally agree with A Hispanic. Why do Hollywood types keep celebrating dictators? Chavez is systematically dismantling civil society in Venezuela, and the sooner we stand up to him the better.
Batista was a right wing dictator, you did not complaint. Castro is a left wing dictator, I dont like him, but you do not complaint. Allende was a right wing dictator, you did not complain, Somoza was a right wing dictator you did not complaint, Chavez is a left wing dictator, I dont like him, but you complain, Bush was almost a right wing dictator but you did not complain, what the hell do you want? you want this:
History of U.S. Interventions in Latin America
Location Period Type of Force Comments on U.S. Role
Argentina 1890 Troops Buenos Aires interests protected
Chile 1891 Troops Marines clash with nationalist rebels
Haiti 1891 Troops Black workers revolt on U.S.-claimed Navassa Island defeated
Nicaragua 1894 Troops Month-long occupation of Bluefields
Panama 1895 Naval, troops Marines land in Colombian province
Nicaragua 1896 Troops Marines land in port of Corinto
Cuba 1898- Naval, troops Seized from Spain, U.S. still holds Navy base at Guantanamo
Puerto Rico 1898- Naval, troops Seized from Spain, occupation continues
Nicaragua 1898 Troops Marines land at port of San Juan del Sur
Nicaragua 1899 Troops Marines land at port of Bluefields
Honduras 1903 Troops Marines intervene in revolution
Dominican Republic 1903-04 Troops U.S. interests protected in Revolution
Cuba 1906-09 Troops Marines land in democratic election
Nicaragua 1907 Troops “Dollar Diplomacy” protectorate set up
Honduras 1907 Troops Marines land during war with Nicaragua
Panama 1908 Troops Marines intervene in election contest
Nicaragua 1910 Troops Marines land in Bluefields and Corinto
Honduras 1911 Troops U.S. interests protected in civil war
Cuba 1912 Troops U.S. interests protected in Havana
Panama 1912 Troops Marines land during heated election
Honduras 1912 Troops Marines protect U.S. economic interests
Nicaragua 1912-33 Troops, bombing 20-year occupation, fought guerrillas
Mexico 1913 Naval Americans evacuated during revolution
Dominican Republic 1914 Naval Fight with rebels over Santo Domingo
Mexico 1914-18 Naval, troops Series of interventions against nationalists
Haiti 1914-34 Troops, bombing 19-year occupation after revolts
Dominican Republic 1916-24 Troops 8-year Marine occupation
Cuba 1917-33 Troops Military occupation, economic protectorate
Panama 1918-20 Troops “Police duty” during unrest after elections
Honduras 1919 Troops Marines land during election campaign
Guatemala 1920 Troops 2-week intervention against unionists
Costa Rica 1921 Troops
Panama 1921 Troops
Honduras 1924-25 Troops Landed twice during election strife
Panama 1925 Troops Marines suppress general strike
El Salvador 1932 Naval Warships sent during Faribundo Marti revolt
Uruguay 1947 Nuclear threat Bombers deployed as show of strength
Puerto Rico 1950 Command operation Independence rebellion crushed in Ponce
Guatemala 1954-? Command operation, bombing, nuclear threat CIA directs exile invasion and coup d’Etat after newly elected government nationalizes unused U.S.’s United Fruit Company lands; bombers based in Nicaragua; long-term result: 200,000 murdered
Panama 1958 Troops Flag protests erupt into confrontation
Cuba 1961 Command operation CIA-directed exile invasion fails
Cuba 1962 Nuclear threat, naval Blockade during missile crisis; near-war with Soviet Union
Panama 1964 Troops Panamanians shot for urging canal’s return
Dominican Republic 1965-66 Troops, bombing Marines land during election campaign
Guatemala 1966-67 Command operation Green Berets intervene against rebels
Chile 1973 Command operation CIA-backed coup ousts democratically elected Marxist president
El Salvador 1981-92 Command operation, troops Advisors, overflights aid anti-rebel war, soldiers briefly involved in hostage clash; long-term result: 75,000 murdered and destruction of popular movement
Nicaragua 1981-90 Command operation, naval CIA directs exile (Contra) invasions, plants harbor mines against revolution; result: 50,000 murdered
Honduras 1982-90 Troops Maneuvers help build bases near borders
Grenada 1983-84 Troops, bombing Invasion four years after revolution
Bolivia 1987 Troops Army assists raids on cocaine region
Panama 1989 Troops, bombing Nationalist government ousted by 27,000 soldiers, leaders arrested, 2000+ killed
Haiti 1994-95 Troops, naval Blockade against military government; troops restore President Aristide to office three years after coup
Venezuela 2002 Command operation Failed coup attempt to remove left-populist president Hugo Chavez
Haiti 2004- Troops Removal of democratically elected President Aristide; troops occupy country
Sources:
Blum, William. Killing Hope: U.S. Military and CIA Interventionism Since World War II. Monroe, Maine: Common Courage Press, 1995.
Ege & Makhijani. “180 Landings by the U.S. Marine Corps” (History Division), Counterspy (July-Aug. 1982). Foreign Affairs Division, Congressional Research Service, Library of Congress.
Richard Grimmet, Instances of Use of Armed Forces Abroad, 1798-2001. CRS Report for Congress, 2002.
Grossman, Zoltan. Over a Century of U.S. Military Interventions. Self-published, revised Jan. 1, 1995.
Sklar, Holly. “Who’s Who: Invading ‘Our’ Hemisphere 1831-,” Z Magazine (Feb. 1990).
U.S. Congress, Committee on Foreign Affairs’ Report. Background Information on the Use of United States Armed Forces in Foreign Countries. Washington, D.C.: 91st Congress, 2nd Session, 1970.
Zinn, Howard. A People’s History of the United States. New York: Perennial Library, Harper & Row, 1980.
Also see Zoltan Grossman, From Wounded Knee to Iraq (A Chronology of U.S. Imperialism)
http://www2.truman.edu/~marc/resources/interventions.html
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Batista and Allende were over 20 years ago and nobody in hollywood made a movie condoning there actions. If they did we would complain. Also past US actions doesnt justify a dictator like Chavez. Thats like saying Hitler was justified for what he did because of WWI.
HAHAHAHAHA you sir, are an idiot. Allende was a socialist, I think you meant Pinochet.
Allende wasn’t a dictator.
Indeed he was a “socialist that was elected by the people” and the CIA ousted him!
Excellent post. It truly captures the well-documented imperialist activities of America which has contributed much to its dominant stature in the world today. The bottom line reality many of you fail to address is the fact that many of the socialist countries you point to as a reference to how socialism is good for society wouldn’t even exist if a powerful America failed to exist. France, Germany, Britain, and yes, even Australia would have been decimated within the past 75 years by either Japan, Germany, or the Soviet Union. America took the passive route along with the league of Nations post WW1 which is why it was so incapable of responding to the Nazi threat earlier than 1941 a good several years after the war had started. And please spare me the remarks about Pearl Harbor being the entry point since American military product was well underway beforehand in response to the perceived threat. The bottom line is this: For all your complaints about the evils of capitalism and American hegemony you all consistently fail to consider what type of America (if any) would exist if the nation took your direction. You can theorize all day long, the bottom line is your relative safe and prosperous in a superpower status. And if you think Chavez’s Venezuela is such a wonderful place to live – by all means relocate! It won’t take long till you realize how far the freedoms of speech and press have eroded and what that means for freedom of thought and expression which are fundamental to any free society.
The United States of America has many shortcomings and egregious violations of the standards by which we espouse. However, it should also be noted that those who criticize this great Country are nowhere near being worthy to condemn the actions of our Country while being violators of the same and even worse things themselves. Therefore, I for one wouldn’t give a drop of piss for the criticisms of Chavez, Fidel, Evo, Ahmedenijad, or any other forked tongue snake against my country. Each one of these vipers have major issues facing their country THE LEAST OF WHICH is the influence of the United States whom many or direct and indirect beneficiaries of our Treasury. All you naive people who constantly chomp at the bit for all the negative and conspiratorial lies about America Oliver Stone defecates onto film only serve to obfuscate the fact that these leaders conveniently use this false image of the United States to scape goat their own leadership failures.
Never receive criticism from a sworn enemy. If you do, you only have yourself to blame when in the end he stands over your corpse claiming victory. America has much to be proud of while yet we have much to set right in terms of making the rich and powerful accountable to the law which we elect our representatives to establish.
BRAVO JAMES!WELL WRITTEN!I AGREE COMPLETELY
Absolutely!!! I agree. I am posting here what I replied to one of our socialism defenders. And may I ALSO point out two things, one all of these countries that so hate us, as you so well put do greatly benefit from our dollars, and Cuba, Venezuela, China, Nicaragua, Ecuador, etc… are NOT SOCIALISTS THEY ARE COMMUNISTS.
I am a Cuban American, I was born in Cuba and the notion of everyone being equal is a farce. Have you seen the way Raul Castro or Chavez, or Fidel live, their clothing? That’s not what the people have, the people lack the bare necessities of life.
Here in this “wicked United States of America” EVERYONE HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO SUCCEED!!!! EVERYONE HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK, AND EXPRESS THEIR OPINION. If you socialism lovers, (and I may add you have no idea what the hell you are talking about) would live in a country like Cuba, like USSR was, like China, like Venezuela now, you would not be able to write all the stupidity you are writing, first because you would not have a computer, and second if you did, it would be monitored and sensored, and you could go to jail. I know what it is to have a ration book and get one pair of shoes a year, and when your turn comes up they ran out. I know what it is to go to sleep with the only thing to eat was a piece of old bread and a glass of sugar water. And I may add I know what it is to have your father and your mother taken to farms to do hard labor simply because they wanted to leave the country.
The system in the US may not be perfect, but as bad as it is, EVERYONE WANTS TO COME HERE, I don’t see people taking rafts to go to Cuba, or jumping fences to get into Venezuela.
Cuba was a flourishing country, today if you are one of the equals, el pueblo, the hospitals do not have sheets for you, there is no coffee, no salt, etc… IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT I TELL YOU, YOU WON’T BELIEVE ME. IT HAS TO BE SUFFERED. THOUSANDS HAVE DIED TO FIGHT IT, AND THOUSANDS ARE IN JAILS FOR NOT AGREEING WITH IT, OR FOR BUYING A POUND OF COFFEE OR MEAT TO FEED THEIR KIDS IN THE BLACK MARKET.
Oliver Stone is sooo stupid, saying that he just found nations that just want to manage their own resources. What a joke, they want to steal everything from the people, so they can enjoy it themselves like Castro has done. And by the way, my family was a working family, they were not rich. But in hindsight we were millionaires and we thought Castro was bringing “CHANGE” AND EQUALITY.
pompous fucking ass…. nobody has a right to criticize u huh? how about thousands of Iraqui widows? or millions of other widows…
please, the next time u think ur so great because of WWII or any other war go suck on a dick
redneck scum
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James! Well written. I am not good at composition.
To put things in perspective……
The unsanitized version of US history is pretty dire. One of the things however that makes this country like no other is the ” Freedom of Information Act ” and free speech. No other country has such access to documentation of its war crimes. Kudos for USA
In just one of many examples: In recent history US could compete with the Nazis for a horrific crime against humanity ” Project Phoenix Vietnam ” was a program that was put in place to assasinate thousands of civilians, and it did. It targeted Mayors, Doctors, Teachers, Tax collectors etc. Anyone that had influence and was sympathetic to the North or VC. Many thousand were assasinated not for their belief but for the bounty the US gave. The US program was no different than that of Poll Pot of the Khemere Rouge in Cambodia. My Lai got the press but was a slight nothing by comparison. There were many My Lai’s. My point is there are no good guys. Morality is violated by all humans, no matter what country or what political system.Do you think the so called bad guys think they are the “bad guys” ? yeeeaaa were the bad guys
I hope our wisdom will grow with our power, and teach us, that the less we use our power the greater it will be.
Thomas Jefferson
Sorry Tom it didn’t happen.
Mr. Alcantara,
WHO exactly is the “you” that you(David Alcantara) keep referring to as “complaining” or “not complaining”? And HOW exactly do YOU(David Alcantara) KNOW that this “you” did or did not “complain”, speak up, support, oppose, or take any type of action with or without the situations listed? THIS(defining and qualification of your points, or their “meat”) is vital to your(David Alcantara’s) statements, and the lack of THIS(see above) points to the non-existance of THIS in the real world.
Based upon THAT(lack of qualifying points to your statements), YOU(David Alcantara) can in reality only be arguing with/angry at an abstract in YOUR(David Alcantara’s) imagination, NOT with concrete and qualifiable persons or facts. Therefor the “you” that YOU(David Alcantara)are so bravely wagging YOUR(David Alcantara’s) finger at is YOU………DAVID ALCANTARA.
And THAT, Mr. Alcantara, is rediculous (but typical from a person that tends to argue for Senior Chavez and his likes).
It’s probably also your hearts desire that one plus one will some wonderful day equal three (and four, or five, etc. Anything but two). Good luck with that.
Main Lesson: Propping up a long list of sources no matter how true or false, doesn’t hide a shoddy foundation.
The first place to start is here at home…Obama is doing the same thing here at home, and the populous better get mobilized and stop this NOW, or else we will all be explaining to our greandchildren how we allowed freedom to slip from our fingertips by doing nothing.
yeah, I heard he’s taking NASCAR away….Calm down already
You know, that’s exactly what Venezuelans said. Nah, what happened in Cuba won’t happen here. And history has told otherwise.
DON’T BE SO COMPLACENT AMERICANS.
weirdo
nascar. fitting that’s your name, you ignorant bastard. YOu can’t even spell grandchildren.
Oh. Somebody thinks in that cowntry? Congratulations. You are one of the piece part of the USA people than can see behind the TV News, and the Republican discourses. You heve hope yet.
Sorry for my poor english.
Cristiano Freitas Cezar
Silvânia-Goiás-Brasil
Why? MONEY, CELEBRITY, TO BE DIFFERENT NO MATTER WHAT. Sorry Oliver but you did a great job with other stories, this one is a shame!
How do you propose to stand up to him, please explain!
seems like Stone’s career could use a little of the old magic from his early days, not another turgid lefty alternate reality…although we’ll probably end up like Venezeula in 20 years so he could market pic as a peek into our future
The best way to fix this is to absolutely shunning and boycotting everything that Stone produces from now on. The biggest thing that these fools understand is the lack of funding that we, the people, can withhold from their portfolio.
this guy is a train wreck. how can you support the suppression of freedom of speech? i.e. closing radio stations (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/08/02/world/main5205473.shtml)
Well, when there is a lot of money in the neighborhood people don’t care anymore about nothing anymore. If their pockets are full of money, they don’t think more about the rest of the society and what are consequences of having that money in the pocket, or even worst, where does that money come from? Well, it is a shame for the world that the most of the people is like that. And the history repeats, again and again, just because of that kind of people.
“Those who trade freedom for security deserve neither and will loose both” – Benjamin Franklin
IN 1738 FRANKLIN SAID “Sell not virtue to purchase wealth, nor Liberty to purchase power.”
ALTHOUGH THIS SAYING HAS APPEARED IN MANY PARAPHRASED FORMS…
APPLAUSE!!!
THE GOVERNMENT THAT IS BIG ENOUGH TO GIVE YOU EVERYTHING, IS BIG ENOUGH TO TAKE EVERYTHING FROM YOU. THOMAS JEFFERSON
People are misinformed. The so-called examples of where socialism has worked are European states which have high unemployment rates, low productivity margins, and even lower rates of technological contributions. The facts are clear; capitalism works when it remains capitalism. Enough with the propaganda against nominal capitalistic nations which violate the basic tenants of the system – the least of which not being accountability. Furthermore, capitalism should be understood as an advanced market system which depends on an educated populace. When education is diminished as it has in the United States, its no wonder why many of the technical jobs go overseas! ANYONE Who has actually gone to an American University knows that nearly every engineering course is filled mainly by foreigners with broken English. Our infrastructure crumbles because technology and cost are becoming polarizing forces due to the lack of sufficiently educated Americans available to move our country forward.
You cannot tell me American’s are so smart and well educated when nearly 1/10 now couldn’t sufficiently read and plan to address their obligations as it related to their mortgage. Calculating ARMs and future budgets is hardly rocket science. Anyone with a 12th grade education should be sufficiently prepared for this task. The truth of the matter is that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are the true culprits in the mortgage scandal. It was through their policies that unqualified loans were approved and ultimately packaged and sold to Wall St. These two Government Sponsored Entities (GSE’s) are the gatekeepers of our money as it relates to FHA and other mortgage policies which should have prevented the MBS/Derivative meltdown. Another example of government inaction – how ineffective government can be in safe-guarding our interests.
Stop allowing Hollywood leftists and the other malcontents from perverting the image of your nation and your obligations to carry your own weight. A democracy is truly a participatory sport – and the players should come prepared with some degree of education. Stop giving up your rights and freedoms for financial security – it will not work!
“Those who trade freedom for security deserve neither and will loose both” – Benjamin Franklin
Enough already; so what.
“Mr Stone will personally premiere the film . . .” Oy guvalt. What happened to this site?
I think its deceiving to lump Hugo Chavez in with a lot of the other leaders in this documentary. Oliver Stone is obviously clueless on all the civil liberties Hugo Chavez is destroying, such as a free and independent press, necessary for a free society. Not to mention the shenanigans that went on with the last election. Same with people glorifying the Castro regime. Its crazy to praise these guys as champions of the people. Idiotic at best.
Independent press? Who needs dependent money of interested enterprises? Oh, wake up! Theres is no independent press in anywhere. No one will kick the ass of your financial suport. Of the big enterprises, big corporations.
Record this words: There is no free press, even in USA, enenv Europe, Even here, in Brasil, even Cuba. Nowhere.
CORRECT AS USUAL, I have found it next to impossible to publish my findings about the “kings of freemasonry” and the “EVIL PIRATE OATH” that they swear, for there is “no free press” who will print it, that is why I had to go to the internet to publish my message!
THE KINGS CONTROL THE “EXECUTIVE BRANCH OF THE US GOVERNMENT” AND MR MACKEY WRITES THAT “JOHN QUINCY ADAMS” TRIED TO GET FREEMASONRY OUT OF THAT BRANCH BUT FAILED TO DO SO BY STARTING AN “ANTI MASONIC PARTY” WHICH WAS “NOT NAME LIKE THAT” BUT INSTEAD WAS CALLED THE PARTY FOR PUBLIC TRUTH AND VIRTUE!
THEREFORE “FREEMASONRY HAS MONOPOLIZED POWER” IN THAT BRANCH AND “INSIDE THE FRATERNITY” WRITES THAT AT LEAST 85 % OF THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH HAVE BEEN MASONS UNDER TEXAS PRESIDENTS, AND ONE PRESIDENT FROM TEXAS HAS PUT IN 100% MASONS, THAT THIS IS NOT “DIVERSITY” FROM A “RELIGIOUS OR CULTURAL STANDPOINT” SHOULD BE OBVIOUS, AND IT WILL NOT WORK TO ARGUE THAT THESE MASONS MAY HAVE HAD DIFFERENT RELIGIOUS PERSPECTIVES FOR ONE THING ALL MASONS AGREE ON AND IT IS TIME SOMEONE POINTS THIS OUT BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT:
WE ARE “BABYLON” AND THERE IS “NONE ELSE”!
TO CLAIM THAT THE “PRESS IS FREE AND INDEPENDENT” WHILE THEY ARE “ECONOMICALLY TIED” TO ONE “EVIL KINGMAN FRATERNITY” MAKES ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE, JUST LIKE YOU SAID, WHY WOULD THEY “BITE THE HAND THAT FEEDS THEM”, INSANE, LOCO, DOES NOT MAKE SENSE, THEREFORE EVEN “WORLDNEWS.COM” HAS NOT YET PUBLISHED MY ARTICLE CALLED:
THE OPIUM WARS, ANOTHER DEFINING MOMENT IN KINGMAN HISTORY AND MAY NOT BE ABLE TO DO SO, BECAUSE EVIL KINGS AGAIN, TRY TO RETARD PROGRESS AND KEEP THEIR “EVIL HISTORY UNDER WRAPS” SO THAT NO ONE WILL “SUSPECT WHAT IS NOT PROPER TO BE IMITATED”!
Stop lying, AH. It doesn’t support your argument.
“It’ the first time in Latin American history, except for Castro, that he’s lead an entire system away from the United States economic controls…”
Bravo! And it’s turned out so well for Cuba, Cubans and their economy! Grand show, Comrade Stone, old bean. Grand show, indeed.
Without support from communist Russia and the ability to shed overpopulation into the US and other countries Cubu would be just another poverty stricken island economy. Jailing dissenters expelling overpopulation and foreign support are all that holds Cuba together as a nation.
A very good point which I can get behind, Unbe (I hope you don’t mind I call you Unbe). Jail the dissenters! Cast out the surplus population! Lean on the crutch of foreign aid! Dominate! Dominate! Dominate! Dominate all the way to prosperity!
Where is this Cubu, anyway, and why isn’t Castro taking notes?
You should move to Cuba or to Venezuela, you would be happy there!
I think Oliver Stone should consider himself lucky that he lives in a country where one is allowed to produce a critical documentary.
From the Harvard Political Review: In March 2005, Chavez increased the penalties for the “desecato,” or disrespect laws in which criticizing the president is punished with 40 months imprisonment.
Is this what Mr. Stone would prefer?
I disagree with “Hispanic” because Stone drives a Lexus.
I’m sure this will be as factually accurate as JFK.
Inacio Lula de Silva wants America to treat Brazil as equals? Sure. When Brazil is equal to America, we will!
Josef Stalin and Mao Tse-tung would be proud. Oliver Stone has made a hagiography of communist thugs that could have come straight from Soyuzkino. Does Oliver Stone show the people who came in “with their own ideas” in Cuba and were thrown in prison? Does Oliver Stone talk to the Venezuelan ranchers whose land was dispossessed, plunging the nation into a food crisis? Does Oliver Stone trace the illicit narcotics Chavez ships through Honduras to fund the FARC’s terrorist brigade? After Cristina Kirchner talks about how non-elites are governing, does Stone ask her what separates her election from Isabel Peron, who only won the presidency by being the wife of a president?
And where is Alvaro Uribe? His country’s economy is booming, and violence is plunging – the very opposite of the crumbling, crime-ridden Venezuela?
If Oliver Stone was a Venezuelan who made a film about how misunderstood and beneficent George W. Bush was, he’d be thrown in a prison cell with no trial – let alone any tolerance for his views. He should be ashamed of himself, but I know he’s not.
Name. I couldn’t agree more with you! Hugo Chavez is destroying the Veneuelan society and trying to expand his “empire” (think of Equador, Bolivia, Nicaragua) to destroy the remaining democracies in Latin America.
Don’t forget Honduras. Chavez has been pulling the strings on that puppet Zelaya, encouraging him to break the Honduran constitution to run in perpetuity as Chavez will do. Why? Because Honduras is an important center for cocaine smuggling. Venezuela flies drugs into Honduras on military planes, and Honduras sets it on the overland route through Mexico. (Yes, those are the same drugs that are fueling the horrific killings in Juarez and other Mexican cities.)
And what does our new enlightened government do when a budding socialist caudillo attempts to destory his country’s constitution? We throw our full support behind the dictator-to-be, joining in the chorus of condemnation led by choirmaster Chavez! When all is said and done, Stone’s bald-faced propaganda piece is most revealing of our own Leftist elite’s warped admiratiohn of these socialist tyrants and their not-so-secret desire that America had its own strongman to lead a “Bolivarian revolution.”
I am an American and currently in Brazil. Brazil is a very important country and as its economy grows so will its prestige. America should start treating Brazil as an equal or risk isolating the new hegemon of South America.
America’s GDP in 2008: $14.2 trillion
Brazil’s GDP in 2008: $1.6 trillion
Again, when Brazil is America’s equal, we will treat them as such. But they aren’t.
And please, for the good of America, keep your dumb self in Brazil.
Name, Thanks God you are not the majority in the US.
What you are saying is because the is more money in USA everybody else should just kneel to you?
My guess is that when you see Bill Gates you kneel down and kiss his feet, right? Because I am pretty sure he has way more money than you.
I am from Venezuela. I now live in the US and I am very grateful of this country, his people and the opportunities it has giving me so please stop making those comments which only tarnish the US image in other countries.
Violence is alive and well in Colombia. In March of 2009 Colombia became number one in the world for refugees fleeing their homes because of violence … NUMBER ONE!
Name, I agree with your post except the first sentence.
Why wouldn’t you treat anybody different based on their nationality?
It is a very racist comment to make especially coming from a person whose country has been built through the sweat of many immigrants who came to the US in search of a new life.
this is the crux of the problem:
Inacio Lula de Silva wants America to treat Brazil as equals? Sure. When Brazil is equal to America, we will!
what is needed is for people lkike you to suffer, suffer badly, so you learn something which most people have (except politicians, rednecks, drug warriors etc)
DECENCY
It makes no sense what you are saying, for you speak the words of powerful thugs, and say that we cannot treat people as equals until they become equal, then I must challenge you to “make them your equals” instead of robbing them blind, and then you will be able to “communicate with them as equals” instead of “treating them like your inferiors”!
TO “STEAL THE WEALTH OF THE WORLD” AND THEN SAY:
BECAUSE YOU ARE POOR, BECAUSE WE MADE YOU POOR, WE WILL NOW NOT COMMUNICATE WITH YOU ON AN EQUAL BASIS, RESULTS IN MY RESPONSE:
BECAUSE YOU HAVE ROBBED ME, AND THE WHOLE WORLD, I MUST NOW “SAFEGUARD THE FUNDS OF THIS EVIL ORDER OF WICKED KINGS”,
SO THAT POOR PEOPLE NO LONGER BECOME YOUR PREY, SO THAT EVIL PEOPLE WILL NO LONGER BE ABLE TO EITHER JOIN YOUR EVIL FRATERNITY OF WICKED KINGS TO OBTAIN POWER AND SO THAT THERE WILL BE NO MORE EVIL INDUSTRIALISTS IN THE UNITED STATES THAT WILL PROMOTE TO POWER WICKED FASCIST DICTATORSHIPS IN OTHER NATIONS LIKE IN THE COUNTRY OF GERMANY, CLEARLY MR POWERFUL, if you want to communicate with Mr SILVA on an equal level, then “MAKE HIM YOUR EQUAL”, and the world will be “more economically secure” for the “wealth distribution” in the world will be more equitable, for right now the “wicked rich” have plundered this world, and that is why they have “sponsored communism and fascism” because they “want to cloud the real issues” the real issue is not if
Peasants, workers or kings control the world, the real issue is the “abuse of power” and that is what all social and economic groups are “capable of” if given the “crack at it”, therefore until mankind learns to “control its own desires for power” and learns to exercise power in such a way that it does not “negatively affect” any section of society, there will be those who are “advantaged” by their “government” and others who are disadvantaged by them, either “openly or secretly” it makes no difference to the person who has been “denied their rights to either life, liberty or pursuit of happiness”!
Therefore remember that the King of Kings, treated all men as equals, he even “was merciful to those who were outcast because of either poverty or sickness” and discriminated against no one, even the “syrophenician woman” that begged a favor from him and humbled herself claiming to be a “dog” or a lap dog or a puppy that eats crumbs from the table of their masters, he threw a crumb of healing for she “knew her position” and used to gain divine favor, but you do not know your “position of power” and you have obtained this power only “by robbing the world”, therefore I now “challenge you to view things” from a “more universal perspective” and realize that “not all things” are known, and many things have been kept a secret from the world by those who have “spoiled this planet” and therefore until you know the “whole truth” and nothing but the truth I would encourage you to “withhold judgement”, lest you also shall be judged by knowledge that is “too high for thee”!
Sincerely
John Adams Weaver
Oliver Stoned is a tool. He is a rich freak that hugs baby killers and terrorist sympathizers, AKA Hizbullah,Hamas. He will make a movie about how “Great” Chavez is, why not investigate how his great friend supports the Sudanese and the child slavery rings in Darfur. And he calls himself a Buddhist, get out of here and take your propaganda trash with you Mr. Stone.
As someone else who has never seen this but has a vehement and uninformed opinion to blast out, I think this is documentary is great, I love OS’s movies and I think AH is full of crap. And you know what, Ollie probably IS very glad that he’s in this country and can make leftist propaganda films, and your point is? At least Stone has the balls to stay in this country that he hates and make critical films about it, he didn’t run away like so many Cubans who’ve washed up on these shores, only to then hijack our politics. Why don’t you all go back to your own country if it’s so great?
Why don’t you take your commie self to Cuba or Venezuela if they’re so great?
Oliver Stone, who has given the world every kind of anti-American propaganda, including a fictional fantastical account of JFK’s murder – blaming the U.S. government no less – shleps down to South America and Cuba to interview grandfatherly dictators so that he can convince his audience that they are harmless little fuzzballs who only want equality and justice. What could possibly go wrong? We already know that Stone movie will be well received in France, Hollywood, Berkeley, San Fran, Moscow and Tehran. The only question is how many awards will Stone receive? My guess is that he will get his mug on the cover of Time Magazine by November and Rolling Stone by December. What a guy!!
Where is Alvaro Uribe and Alan Garcia?
Can this be called a documentary when you are only giving one side of the story?
How can Mr. Stone be so naive?
It’s obvious that in his tour throughout the region from presidential palace to presidential palace, Mr. Stone didn’t get a clue of what’s going on in Latin America.
As a PR campaign, isn’t that bad though.
Do you want to know why? He wanted to go to Colombia ONLY for the release of the little Emmanuel (Clara Roja’s son – Clara Rojas was kidnapped with Ingrid Betancourt), and make it look like Hugo Chavez made it possible. What he didn’t know is that the Colombian Intelligence had already located the boy and FARC didn’t even know where he was, as they couldn’t feed him, and gave it to a poor couple many years ago.
That is WHY he didn’t get other perspectives like the Colombian or Peruvian… pretty smart, uh?
I’ll wait to see the condensed “Twitter” version – which is something like this: “George W Bush still sucks, Castro is great, Chavez is even greater and I am still an American hater.”
So I guess he’ll sensationalize the hell out of this one too, right?
Whether you like Stone, Chavez, CNN or whoever, I don’t see how this can be seen as anything but propaganda. It’s ridiculous.
What a bunch of brainwashed flag-waving morons you people are. Way to prove the very point of this movie, hating a bunch of hugely popular democratically-elected presidents because the US media told you to. I can’t believe a bunch of Glenn Beck fans read DHD.
South America was controlled by genocidal extreme-right maniacs for the entire 20th century who literally murdered millions of poor people to keep the few families who controlled the region in charge. They brutalized, raped and pillaged to keep the peasants who lived in unthinkable poverty in line.
I think Chavez is a bumbling stooge and I don’t agree with him shutting down media outlets, but do you know WHY he oversteps his boundaries sometimes? Because the media in Venezuela except for 1 government TV and radio station are owned by people who literally financed violent coups against him several times and spread outrageous lies about him hourly to foment revolution. That doesn’t make his actions right, but it does contextualize them. Educate yourself on these issues before you start spewing bile about them.
We need to be educated?
The Chavez regime controls four television stations directly, and most private channels have been bullied into presenting only what the state-run news agencies allow lest they be shut down. Venevision, formerly anti-Chavez, completely reversed its editorial line in fear of a shutdown like RCTV was or Globovision soon will be. (Globovision is the same channel that Chavistas bombed with tear gas last month.) How did they “foment revolution”? They did not show pro-Chavez rallies in 2002. Other horrible offenses include showing the aftermath of earthquakes before the state-owned stations got to the site to stage footage. RCTV would air telenovelas instead of the dictator’s blustery multi-hour speeches.
Laws have been passed that force all stations to air Chavez’s propaganda tirades whenever he decrees. So would you like to reiterate how persecuted Chavez has been by the Venezuelan media? Or maybe you can do the intelligent thing and admit it’s actually the other way around?
I will start with your last sentence: “Educate yourself on these issues before you start spewing bile about them”.
Why does Hugo Chavez support FARC?
Do you know how many people FARC has killed?
I really would like to know your opinion, about this… because you can defend Hugo Chavez to death, but one thing you cannot deny is that he is a violent person.
If you are a political leader, if you are educated, you know you do not attack others for thinking different than you.
Don’t you think he is just adding more violence to everything? Where is he going with all this?
It is very sad for me to read comments from the other side of the coin with such a close perspective.
It is very sad for me to believe that there is people out there who think that Hugo Chavez is really contributing something to humanity. “EL FIN NO JUSTIFICA LOS MEDIOS”
Just to educate you about Venezuela’s media, as you seem to be greatly misinformed: there are 3 government TV channels (TVES, VTV and Telesur); then, there are all regional channels (all public and supportive of Chavez), there are only two private channels: Venevision that tries to keep a very shaky balanced view and there is Globovision, the only channel left that criticizes Chavez. The same ratio could be seen in radios (now he shut 34 radio stations down) and newspapers will be going through the same governmental purge. The owners of these private media actually financed Chavez campaign back in 1997. There has been only one coup against Chavez in 2003, and it certainly was the product of many political and social factors, not of media owners financing it. To put the issue into context: The problem in Venezuela is that Chavez governs through the media, he “encadena” all transmissions at least 12 hours a week, during those “cadenas” he gives direct orders to ministers, judges, etc. He uses public media as political parties, so it is only natural that dissenting medias react by overstepping their natural role to play the role of the opposition. The only way to reach a more or less balanced view of what is really going on is to read, listen and watch both government and private medias, which, as a proud Venezuelan, I am saddened to see very few people bothers to do, starting by our own president and, it seems, yourself.
This may well be my last comment on this particular subject but it is clearly an important topic, as to what “political legitimacy is” and how to define it!
Now there is no question that Hugo Chavez and some other south american “dictators” as they are now called by the political right here in the US are indeed “popularly elected”!
Therefore we “will have to put up with them for now” whether we like it or not!
Also “it is wrong to believe that somehow it is a christian thing” to “support wicked fascist dictatorships” that brutalize the poor in nations and then claim that is what “GOD WANTS FOR US TO DO” for Calvinism claims that only the “rich and powerful” deserve to live and all other people are “scum” that deserves to die, that is the “philosophy” of survival of the fittest or that God favors the “brutal the violent and the selfish” that just take everything they can whenever they can! I do not “subscribe to this philosophy” by the way even though it has been “popularized” by people like “CHARLES DARWIN” who was a “scottish rite mason” again and who put this “evil philosophy” into the PUBLIC REALM, it is again clearly evil for it is a “natural philosophy” and all natural philosophies are by their nature “EVIL” for the natural man is an enemy to God and all “natural philosophies” of natural men, must by their nature be evil!
Only godly men, with personal connections to the divine center, can at any time come up with solutions that are perfectly just and honest!
Human beings are simply too “self-asorbed” to come up with “anything good” on their own!
Therefore a “society that is made up of communist thugs” did not work, a society made up of fascist dictators and murdered Jewish minorities had to fail, and a society that is made of people who rape, murder and kill the poor will ultimately fall, all the wrong forms of government will eventually fail while a “government run by honest men” people who put the welfare of all above their own selfish ambition, that is the wave of the future, whether we like to admit or not!
For the scripture clearly states that those who “take of the wealth of this world” and do not distribute based on the law of God to the poor and the needy among men, shall find themselves in hell being in torment, that is the law, and if you violate it, it will backfire on you every single time!
Oliver is pretty cynical, in private, when he talks about Chavez. At least he was with me when we last spoke. He has obviously been paid to do this. Millions. In cash. Overseas. There’s no other possible explanation for this. Just like Danny Glover, who got 18 million dollars from Chavez to make a movie he never made. Stone got his part of the true color of the revolution… Green. Oil money green.
Jonathan, Man ( if this is really you) I love your movie secuestro express. It was pretty cruel but it was great.
I think you are completely right. Mr. Stone just made this movie for a few millions in exchange and controversy which he loves.
He is probably laughing at everybody in his Hollywood mansion…
Didn’t know so many neocons visited your site Nikki….
Judging a film based on it’s trailer is not much different from judging an actor from their headshot.
If we didn’thave Oliver the output of Hollywood would be even more insipid. At least he attempts to bring out the truth in a creative and honest way. May there be twenty more Oliver Stones in Hollywood but unfortunately the larger American society lacks the brain cells to absorb the content and therefore not enough box office will be generated to support their work.
The truth? or his truth? This is just vanity, a guy who wants to be different… let’s go down there or let’s move to a comunist country, where we could judge better.
But all I can say is that you have not been touched by this guy. The day you have Oliver Stone making a movie about someone supporting the Talibans and helping Osama Bin Laden’s ideals, like Chavez helps the FARC, you will tell me if you will not feel ofended.
Anyone interested in Chavez should watch this insane doc made by Irish filmmakers called The Revolution Will Not Be Televised. The first 5 minutes are boring but it gets unbelievably interesting soon after…
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and also, “The War On Democracy” by John Pilger
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3739500579629840148#